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Polaris sleds

Since 2003 XCR800s - Polaris have not had any of the aftermarket performance sleds like they used to back in the day. We have likes of BMP, D&D and a few high profile companies but they seem to work on mostly AC, Doos and Yamahas - Polaris seem to be left out performancewise. Does anyone know why we don't have Hot to Go or PSI or any of the aftermarket that knows how to make the new Polaris sleds to run and run against the DOOs, CATs and Yamaha? Only ones I see are the mostly the XCRs that is still competitive today. Anyone know the truth to this as why? WL .

'16 Polaris RUSH 800HO
'06 Polaris Fusion 600HO (traded her in)
'05 Polaris Sportsman 400 4x4
'01 Polaris XCR-800 (VF2, clutched, dynoport and cut heads)
'00 Polaris XCR800 (VF2, dynoport pipes, HTG billetheads, clutched)
'99 Polaris XCR800 (shimkit with stock pipes)
'98 XC700 (reprogrammed CDI, powerpak, boost bottle, clutched - 824 version)
'98 XC700 (clutched, VF - 220 version)
'95 XCR600 (PSI heads, pipes and clutched)
'94 Indy Trail
'89 Indy 500 (PSI single pipes - clutched)
'88 Indy 400 (owned twice)
'88 Indy Sprint
'88 Indy Sport
'79 Ski Doo Olympic 340
'79 Ski Doo Citation 300
'78 Polaris TX440
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The new 800 that came out in the trail sleds in 2015 and in the mountain sleds this year is a contender. It is close to 160 HP, which puts it right up with the Cat and Doo sleds in a lighter platform (408 lbs in the 155" AXYS Pro RMK.) The 2015 800 is a totally new engine and doesn't share many parts at all with the previous 800. So far, the 2015 short track sleds have held up well, and the 2016 mountain sleds are not showing any serious problems. Maybe Polaris finally got one right.. about time!!

Polaris has had a hard time since 2008 getting an 800 to have good power and be reliable. Even as early as 2005 with the dreaded 900 engine, they just couldn't get it right. I'm optimistic that the 800 will be a contender, and if someone buys one and puts an after-market exhaust on it, it will be below 400 lbs and have 160 hp. What's not to like about that!

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BC - I bought the '16 RUSH 800HO and let me tell ya - this thing is for REAL. Very powerful engine and the ride is quite amazing. HOWEVER it can be quite tippy when going into a tight corners being it does sit tall compared to other older chassis.


As per my above comment - I was simply stated why we don't see the newer Polaris racing in any of the events - grass, lake racing and so on. I don't see many of the aftermarkets working with Polaris and making them more competitive with other 3's. I was just wondering why WL

'16 Polaris RUSH 800HO
'06 Polaris Fusion 600HO (traded her in)
'05 Polaris Sportsman 400 4x4
'01 Polaris XCR-800 (VF2, clutched, dynoport and cut heads)
'00 Polaris XCR800 (VF2, dynoport pipes, HTG billetheads, clutched)
'99 Polaris XCR800 (shimkit with stock pipes)
'98 XC700 (reprogrammed CDI, powerpak, boost bottle, clutched - 824 version)
'98 XC700 (clutched, VF - 220 version)
'95 XCR600 (PSI heads, pipes and clutched)
'94 Indy Trail
'89 Indy 500 (PSI single pipes - clutched)
'88 Indy 400 (owned twice)
'88 Indy Sprint
'88 Indy Sport
'79 Ski Doo Olympic 340
'79 Ski Doo Citation 300
'78 Polaris TX440
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You can see the results for last year on this page... Polaris seems to be doing pretty well to me.

I'm glad the 800 is working out, my next sled may be an SKS 800. I do know Starting Line Products offers a lighter exhaust for the AXYS sleds that dumps 14 lbs and adds 9 HP (SLP's dyno, so take that for what it's worth.) I also see new stuff from GSE, Bikeman, Straight Line Performance, and others. The 800 was brand new last year, so it will take a bit of time before the companies get the research and development done to offer performance stuff for that engine.

I would bet that Polaris sleds aren't yet competitive in the grass/lake racing events, but give them time. They do awesome in the hill climb stuff out west.

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Im not sure what its like out your way, but in the north/east states - we don't see any hot running Polaris (Im not talking about SNOWCROSS racing) running much in any grass events or even ice drags. In other words - we do not see anyone with a full modded FUSION 900 and blow the motor out to be 1,300cc to run a full modded class. We don't see any of those chassis or even IQ 800s, or RUSH 800 (non 800HO's) We do see ALOT of DOOS, AC's and some Yamaha's - they have a lot of supports of using BMP, D&D, Crankshop, etc - they mainly work with those 3 brands to boost their products. Back in the day, Polaris used to have HTG, HSP, PSI (remember back in the day with Indy 600/650, Ultra, Storms) Add PSI pipes on any of the sleds will jump UP to 35 extra horsepower just by adding pipes alone. I remembered back in '95 - '96 season, ULTRA with pipes were spanking a lot of the 800s (machZ, VMAX, ZRT800 or Tcat 1000) on the lake. Since the triple-triple fazed out - Polaris do not have any motors to compete with any of the 3 mfg'ers like we used to. Most aftermarkets focus more on the other 3's - in my area, most ride DOOS, and AC is 2nd - only the money bags spends a lot of money to get 400 - 650hp out of their engines. Polaris doesn't have anything to bring to the table to compete against them (unless youre running the modded XCR800 or bigger) My point is .. is the newer Polaris like the IQ, or RUSH - is it because the profile is different against the REV's, ZR's or the Yamaha that they cant get the weight transfer or is it the motor not competitive enough? Or both? That's my point - just seem like Polaris isn't making an effort to stay on the winning circle like they used to be, back in the day. WL

'16 Polaris RUSH 800HO
'06 Polaris Fusion 600HO (traded her in)
'05 Polaris Sportsman 400 4x4
'01 Polaris XCR-800 (VF2, clutched, dynoport and cut heads)
'00 Polaris XCR800 (VF2, dynoport pipes, HTG billetheads, clutched)
'99 Polaris XCR800 (shimkit with stock pipes)
'98 XC700 (reprogrammed CDI, powerpak, boost bottle, clutched - 824 version)
'98 XC700 (clutched, VF - 220 version)
'95 XCR600 (PSI heads, pipes and clutched)
'94 Indy Trail
'89 Indy 500 (PSI single pipes - clutched)
'88 Indy 400 (owned twice)
'88 Indy Sprint
'88 Indy Sport
'79 Ski Doo Olympic 340
'79 Ski Doo Citation 300
'78 Polaris TX440
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Where I ride, I see 80% Polaris sleds. We don't have much racing on the grass or lakes, most of the fun riding is hills/deep powder. With that kind of riding, lighter is king, and Polaris is as light as it gets, especially with the AXYS 800.

Polaris has not been able to make a good big block, big power engine, ever. The 900 was the worst, I can totally understand why someone would not want to put more HP to that thing. It was breaking left and right without any mods.

It's too bad the Fuji triple/triples would not pass emissions, but again those engines weigh more than a similar HP twin and weight is king out west.

The after-market makes things they can sell at a profit. It's all about demand, if there's no demand, there's no market. I'm sure they market regionally, as well. The conditions for you are way different than for me, or for the guys in Montana/Colorado. Different snow and elevation makes for different requirements. Maybe Polaris has realized they can't compete in the small track segment and is concentrating where they can? Who knows. Maybe this AXYS platform will help, as well as the new 800 like yours!

Polaris really shot themselves in the foot with the small block 800, it moved a lot of folks from Polaris to the other brands with all the failures. Out west, most guys buy SLP pipes/cans to reduce weight and boost performance. Other companies are making stuff, too. I have ridden with a few guys with 800 Polaris sleds with turbos, and a 200 HP 450 lb sled is pretty impressive heading up the steep stuff. The local Polaris mechanic just bought an AXYS 800 163" and I'm sure he will be putting the SLP pipe/can on it, and will add a turbo (he has turbo'd his last two sleds.) A sled with 200 HP and weighing less than 400 lbs should be pretty impressive! Maybe a turbo on the short trackers would make it competitive...

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Youre right BC .. that is an exactly what had happened. I wonder what happened with the mfg'er of FUJI engines? Did they sell them off to another company since Polaris makes their own? WL

'16 Polaris RUSH 800HO
'06 Polaris Fusion 600HO (traded her in)
'05 Polaris Sportsman 400 4x4
'01 Polaris XCR-800 (VF2, clutched, dynoport and cut heads)
'00 Polaris XCR800 (VF2, dynoport pipes, HTG billetheads, clutched)
'99 Polaris XCR800 (shimkit with stock pipes)
'98 XC700 (reprogrammed CDI, powerpak, boost bottle, clutched - 824 version)
'98 XC700 (clutched, VF - 220 version)
'95 XCR600 (PSI heads, pipes and clutched)
'94 Indy Trail
'89 Indy 500 (PSI single pipes - clutched)
'88 Indy 400 (owned twice)
'88 Indy Sprint
'88 Indy Sport
'79 Ski Doo Olympic 340
'79 Ski Doo Citation 300
'78 Polaris TX440
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Fuji Heavy Industries still makes tons of stuff, from heavy industrial engines to helicopters and jets, as well as owning Subaru. They even make model airplane engines. Not building the engines for Polaris probably didn't affect them a whole lot in the overall scheme of things. At one point, Fuji owned about 6% of Polaris, but in 2013, Polaris bought back the shares (3.96 million shares) for a cost of $497.500,000 dollars. That kind of gives a person an idea how big Polaris is... dang.

Snowmobile sales isn't that much of the Polaris total sales. They sell way more ATV and Rangers than sleds, and have branched out into the motorcycle market with the Slingshot and Victory motorcycles, as well as purchasing Indian motorcycles. They also bought Klim gear last year. And they have the Gem electric vehicle as well (think bigger and safer golf cart.) Talk about diversification!

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Polaris bought out Indian Motorcycles?? Really? WOW I didn't know that one. WL

'16 Polaris RUSH 800HO
'06 Polaris Fusion 600HO (traded her in)
'05 Polaris Sportsman 400 4x4
'01 Polaris XCR-800 (VF2, clutched, dynoport and cut heads)
'00 Polaris XCR800 (VF2, dynoport pipes, HTG billetheads, clutched)
'99 Polaris XCR800 (shimkit with stock pipes)
'98 XC700 (reprogrammed CDI, powerpak, boost bottle, clutched - 824 version)
'98 XC700 (clutched, VF - 220 version)
'95 XCR600 (PSI heads, pipes and clutched)
'94 Indy Trail
'89 Indy 500 (PSI single pipes - clutched)
'88 Indy 400 (owned twice)
'88 Indy Sprint
'88 Indy Sport
'79 Ski Doo Olympic 340
'79 Ski Doo Citation 300
'78 Polaris TX440
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