The SRX does not show up on the Yammi web site. *Did they replace the SRX witht the Viper? *Is the same engine that was in the SRX now in the Viper?

What are the specs of the Viper? *How does the HP and weight compare to the new Firecat F7? *Firecat is 140 HP and 135 lbs.

They replaced the SRX with the rx-1. *As far as comparing the Viper and the firecat F7.....don't. *The firecat "supposedly" weighs 435 pounds with 145hp, the Viper has around 120-125hp, and weighs closer to 500 pounds.....no comparison. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

If the SRX only has 120-125 hp, how is it then that it was keeping up with most 800's and beating some?

he said viper has about 125 HP, *the SRX has about 150

wait a minute, the srx is around 142.

that's what they claimed in '98. *I've allways said 142 but i get jumped on by others saying , "that's got more than 142, you fly by me like i'm standing still", *& *they say "they allways jump a 2-3 hp a yr".
*I guess ya can't be right, no matter what you say. next someone will come on saying their's stock will go 130.

sorry if im behind the times....but what is the f7 firecat?http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

It's cats new plastic cat. *The only thing not made of plastic is the engine, it's ceramic. *They claim the sled has more HP than it weights. *Unfortunately, it only has a 3 hour warranty. *The top brass at cat are worried someone might actually ride it on a trail and break something http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MightyMach @ Feb. 04 2002, 10:57pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It&#39;s cats new plastic cat. *The only thing not made of plastic is the engine, it&#39;s ceramic. *They claim the sled has more HP than it weights. *Unfortunately, it only has a 3 hour warranty. *The top brass at cat are worried someone might actually ride it on a trail and break something http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif[/b][/quote]
Stop dreaming mighty mach.I&#39;d like to meet,sounds like you&#39;re scared of the new weapon from team green. *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

The Viper and SRX are not the same engine, also the SRX has triple pipes and the Viper is a single pipe. As for the weight of any new sleds we will wait and see. Last year the SRX triple was 614 and the ZR 800 twin was 572, fuel and studs.

Sorrry I goofed up before. *I&#39;m surprised that if the SRX was their most powerful sled, they abonded it in place of the hi performance 4 stroke. *Yeah, it is close in weight and HP, but I think that a lot of people want hi HP but won&#39;t jump into buying an unproven 4 stroke yet. *So if a buyer is not ready to buy a 4 stroke yet, that means that the biggest Yammi is the 700 trip Viper with 125 HP? *Wow, that doesn&#39;t seem like good marketing. *Especially with Cat making a 700 twin with close to 15 hp more. *Maybe Yammi still has something up their sleeve for 03?

I agree with you jayjaysin...Yamaha doesn&#39;t really have much to offer the consumer. *If you don&#39;t want the big expensive 4 stroke then there doesn&#39;t seem to be much. *From a business standpoint, however, it makes sense so if they can get away with offering only two sleds more power to them.

Yamaha doesnt care about the consumer. *They just do there own thing. *If i were a yamaha fan i would want to see my brand compeating in snowcross with a serious sled. *Yamaha just barely shows up at these events. *With all there power and money and small engine building skills they dont even have a competitive racer. *

And dont for one miniute think that the RX-1 was a gift to all yamaha fans. *They made the RX-1 because its easier for them to make the RX-1. *Yamaha mostly makes motorcycles and now they have a good excuse to put that tech in sleds.

An other example of yamahas loyalty to there customers is how they claimed the viper could beat a srx in a drag and how it was so great, *They made it sound like the best racer on earth. *You could almost picture them racing it in snowcross. *The magazines played right into there hype and alot of people bought this sled. *Only to find that its a gutless wonder compaired to what yamaha said it was. *Its a good thing that the viper scores high in other places otherwise yamaha might have had a serious problem. *

Yamaha does this with everything. *THEY LIE RIGHT TO ALL OF OUR FACES. *

Examples.

Grissly 660 ATV - They claim its the fastest most powerfull work atv. *(Polaris 700, Kawasakis v-twin, Traxter 650 all make more power and other then the traxter both polaris and kawasakis atv are faster and scored higher on the test. *Not only that but the grissly is dangerously unstable during braking.)

Raptor 660 - They claim it the fastest sport atv and that all other manufactors should start running. (Well how come the DS650 will beat it in almost every catagory and won all the races.)

SRX - Its the fastest stock snowmobile. - Well my mach beats my neighours brand new out of the box SRX. I never see a srx win anything at hill climes or drag races. *

Viper- Im not even going there.

and now there all ready started with the RX-1 well even if it is great no matter how great it really is and how fast it might go. *No matter how much more reliable or enviro friendly or how much better fuel eco is. *I dont care. *I am never going to buy Yamaha again. *They sucked me in on there atvs and im regreting it every trip to the dealer for backordered parts. *

The only thing yamaha know and doesnt lie about is there outboard. *Ill give em that, but who ever is incharge of there advertising department should be fired.

Wow, Mach, you feel pretty strongly about the subject!!

MachZZZZ1, I&#39;d like to see the ad that claims the viper will beat the srx? *Also, What kinds of problems have you had with your Yamaha atv? *I have a 1988 warrior that I beat like a bad dog and that thing hasn&#39;t even fouled a plug in all these years. *The only thing I have ever done to it is change oil, add gas and I have replaced the battery twice. *Wait I did have to replace the handle bars, I really couldn&#39;t blame that one on Yamaha after it rolled down a very steep hill about 7 times. Yes, it was my fault. *

Thunderstruck, as far as dreaming, I&#39;m not. I realize that Cat currently has the most unreliable sled on the snow, I just can&#39;t imagine how bad things will get when they unveil something so underweight. *I doubt that they are using titanium in these things which is the only product that will give you weight reduction while maintaining and actually making it stronger than steel or aluminum..

Mighty Mach. *

I have a 1996 Kodiak, a 2000 Kodiak and a 2002 Grissly 660. *

The 96 was a good bike but the 2000 had a big drop in quality. *Everything was plastic. *The brake lines freeze up and dont work in the winter. *Same for the griss. *

The engines hardly work in winter. *They dont hold an idle, *Will stall if not kept going by throttle. *The starter motor sucks and if it gets damp doesnt turn. *The pull start is hard as hell. *Grissly eats oil and i had a internal seal failuar that caused engine oil to leak out over my clutch causing a loss in power and caused the engine to run out of oil. *

Moisture gets behind the gauges and the new grissly has a digital gauge that sucks. * *

The kodiak is on its 2nd rear disk brake because the first one got chewed up. *

And the worst thing is that with the new clutch driven bikes like the two i got. *If you go in the water and it splashes over the clutch snorkle (which is fairly low) the bike just stops and it wont dry out. *And half the time the snorkle just pops of because yamaha uses a snorkle that is to short. *

The older bike like my 96 and your warrior are great. *Built with steel and never a problem. *I wore out the clutch and have to put a new one in. *Its not a manual clutch its a hydrolic one. *

Over the years i have been in the dealer for many things and there never on time. *I have missed out on so many weekends.

The viper beating the SRX was in a magazine coming from a yamaha offical. *I will post it if i can find it. *It states that the viper will beat the srx in a drag race and only pail over in at top end. *But it take the SRX only starts to pull on it at 140km. *This is BS. *

As for your opinion on Arctic Cats. *Well im going to agree that they have the most problems and that this firecat is going to be full of problems. *Mightymach is right. *unless titanium or carbon fiber is used quality will suffer as the weight goes down.

Wow, are you sure you don&#39;t have Polaris ATV&#39;s http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I can see where you&#39;re coming from. *If I would have had that many problems I wouldn&#39;t be real happy either.

I&#39;m also kinda sad today, my mach went down the road last night *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif * The RX-1 better pan out or I&#39;ll be back http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

What do you mean your mach went down the road. *Did you sell it or did it crap out.

Also you have to remeber that all my atv troubles happend over a period of 2 years of hard driving. *

I just resent how yamaha lies and you have to admit that they do. *Or lets say that they raced a srx against a mach and the machs third plug was fouled and the srx won. *All of a sudden its the fastest. *

The RX-1 is going to work out for you. *Its yamahas ball game. *They make bike engines and now there in there element. *But I will never buy one. *Im going to wait it out with doo because they will have somthing in a year or two that will totally destroy the RX1 lol. *Maybe even sooner then you think. *I also like 2 stroke and thats just the way i am. *

Im very brand loyal but i dont mind if other people buy other stuff. *Like i said before all my other finds ride cat and pol. *But normally there all good and as twisted a yamahas advertizments are there still better then most in quality. *

By the way if your ever going to by a new ATV. *Dont compare your warrior to the new stuff. *Yamaha has changed and got greedy. *There taking all the short cuts and are cutting weight just to make there machines sound better. *

Its like you said before about AC. *"If you cut weight and your not using titanium or carbon fiber then your quality is down." * Its the same story here. *

At least when you get your RX-1 I can count on you giving a truthful report on weather this thing is as good as they say it is.

Machzzzzzzzzz1, It seems apparent that you don&#39;t ride a Yamaha, I have never really read anything that you have said about a Yamaha that didn&#39;t say anything positive. I don&#39;t go to the Ski-doo forum and put up post about what a slug, or anything of that nature about a Ski-doo. I don&#39;t care that my Yamaha will get beat by a thundercat, a summit or rmk in a 1/4 mile. I bought one due to the fact that I have watched a raving lunatic here where I live, flip a Mountain Max, climbed higher than a Thunder cat, rarely ever got stuck, rolled it twice without even breaking a windshield, full throttle all day long, and that sob just keeps running and starts on the first pull everytime and its a 1999. Everyone has a right to comments, but I don&#39;t appreciate you coming here to a Yamaha forum to let me know what a piece of s(&^t my $6,200 sled is. Thanks

Went down the road as in its new owner picked her up. *As far as new quads go, I do have a 2000 wolverine which is the 4x4 version of the warrior. *It isn&#39;t as fun to ride as the warrior but boy does it go thru the crap and haul a trailer nice. *Except for it being a 4x4 and changing the position of the headlights (up higher on the wolverine) and moving the reverse lever it appears every bit as durable as the 12 year older warrior. Funny thing is, after 12 years, the warrior starts and runs just like the wolverine.

machzzz1, for some reason you feel the need to educate the Yamaha owners on how they may have been misled as if they are not smart enough to know that they may have been taken for a ride. But not one Yamaha owner has posted about their disappointment in any of their new Yamaha sleds. It is not the Yamaha owners that are so brand loyal that they are blind to the facts, all can make a good sled and that ALL mfg of sleds have some problems. The ski-doo forum in the last 30 days had 10 S.W. members that posted topics about engine failed and all are 2000 and newer ski-doos, and one post "96,97,98 triple/triple crank failures" ( 4 Pages of Blown low mileage motors) and 14 members had the same problem on one post!! If you can help someone with a problem super jump in, but your brand loyalty is getting offensive. toydoc

I never said anything bad about yamaha i am simply annoyed at there advertising. *I dont care how good somthing is when they lied they should pay. *This has nothing to do with brand loyalty. *It gets me upset when magazines and tv shows are saying stuff about yamaha sleds that i know arent true because i have seen it first hand. *Look at the Mazda miata. *Few years ago they were selling it saying it had 150 hp but mazda realized it only had 135. *mazda offered rebates and discounts, *Or the chance to sell the car back. *

I spent the better part of a day riding an SRX and i would be nuts to say its a bad sled. *Its probably one of the best out there. *But when you race it against my Mach it loses and that goes against what yamaha says. *

I dont want to piss anyone of but thats just the way i fell. *And you cant deny it. *It has to make you a little mad. *At least when skidoo or cat claims somthing you can belive it and use it as fact.

Toydoc - Your right about the fact that doo has problems. *Like everyone else. *But i would say theres saftly 6 times more doos then yamahas out there running and if 5 more problems turns up in the skidoo fourm then ask yourself Is that really a problem. *As for the 96 triple crank failures. *Well i have seen a few of those sleds top 10000km so it all depends on how you treat them. *

Paul - I think you misunder stood me. *I dont want to put down your 6000+ machine. *I dont care if its not the fastest sled either. *Theres always someone faster. *What I dont like is yamaha bending the truth. *I do ride yamaha ATVS and I own 2 of there outboards. *5 years ago i was thinking of buying a yamaha sled. *If I wasnt on doo i would be on yamaha ive got nothing against them. *Just because your machine loses in a race doesnt mean its a bad machine. *Sorry if i offended you that wasnt my intentions.

machzz1, you are brand loyal when you are "annoyed at there advertising"!!!

"I dont want to piss anyone of but thats just the way i fell. *And you cant deny it. *It has to make you a little mad. *At least when skidoo or cat claims somthing you can belive it and use it as fact."

Ski-doo took out a 2 page ad. about how the MXZ 800 beat all the other brands 800&#39;s in a shootout.
Do ALL of MXZ 800 beat all the other 800&#39;s?? Read the ski-doo fourm..NO!!
Some run good, some do not.

So why don&#39;t you spend your time to make ski-doo fix their false ad.??

Q: "say theres saftly 6 times more doos then yamahas out there running and if 5 more problems turns up in the skidoo fourm then ask yourself Is that really a problem."

A: Yes, if the mfg knows of the problem and has issued a repair it&#39;s a problem.
And I don&#39;t see 6 times more ski-doo&#39;s around here, more Cat.

You would have a fit if a Yamaha rider posted anything like you do on the ski-doo fourm!!

Toydoc look how this fourm started. *It started with yamaha owners not sure of the hp there sled makes. *I didnt just come to the yamaha sight and post a topic on how yamaha misleads the clients. * I was just replying to a topic that was in this feild. * This is just my opinion take what you want from it. *

As for skidoos 800 add. *I never saw it but if it did exsist thats wrong also. *The 800 doo is not the fastest and in my opinion the 800 twin has a lot of problems and i wouldnt touch it with a 20 foot pole. *

Im not saying yamaha has problems its the punk that does there advertisments.

Wow, there is a lot going on here.

First, it was not a Yamaha owner posting about the specs of the sled, I am buying a new machine this spring and was trying to compare the machines. *I own Artic Cat sleds currently.

Second, Doo is not the most reliable sled, and to say that Cat has more problems than them all is a pretty broad statement. *Look at the recall pages for all brands, who&#39;s page is the longest?

Third, Just because you reduce weight doesn&#39;t mean that it is bad if you don&#39;t replace with titanium. *I could go on for a long time and try to explain the engineering behind that idea, but this is not the place and it doesn&#39;e seem like your open to it right now.

I know where your coming from, it makes me mad when I have bad experiences and when manufactures stretch the truth, but try not to force your opinion on everyone else and make them believe that your opinion applies to everyting. *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

machzzz1, did you read the topic?
"Did they replace the SRX witht the Viper?"

From that, YOU took it to this in your first post:
"Yamaha doesnt care about the consumer. *They just do there own thing"

"And dont for one miniute think that the RX-1 was a gift to all yamaha fans"

"Only to find that (Viper) its a gutless wonder"

"Yamaha does this with everything. *THEY LIE RIGHT TO ALL OF OUR FACES."

And now it&#39;s "I didnt just come to the yamaha sight and post a topic on how yamaha misleads the clients."
Well it sure looks like you did to me.

Now if you are out to right all the wrongs in the world, the ski-doo ad is in American Snowmobiler spring 2001 pages 10 & 11.
Your Quote " I dont care how good somthing is when they lied they should pay. *This has nothing to do with brand loyalty. *It gets me upset when magazines and tv shows are saying stuff about yamaha (now ski-doo) sleds that i know arent true because i have seen it first hand."

So if you are fair to all brands, will you post in the ski-doo forum about how "annoyed at there advertising" you are??

Word it the same as you did in your first post here
" SKI-DOO does this with everything. *THEY LIE RIGHT TO ALL OF OUR FACES."

Just to see how it will go over in that fourm.

About the only thing the viper motor has in common with the srx motor is the amount of cylinders, evreything is changed,bore and stroke, powervalves ,different,compression in each cylinder>As a matter of fact the viper is nearly an all new sled that only carries the rear skid basic design over from the sx. but components are different. I feel that this is Yamhas best effort to date.Even though it was over hyped i would luv to see some on my bumper going down the trails instead of me lookin for away around guys. When their behind, their way behind.Woo hooo what ride http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Well Well
All i got to say is that i have been riding yamaha for about 10 years..I have a 2000 700mm 2001 *700mm 2000 600 grizz atv 2002 660 grizz and a 225hp outboard..So let me say this about my snowmachines there is not one sled in the state of alaska that will touch my 2000 mm700 with a 141 track unless it is a pumped up sled..I will never own another brand of sled and the rx1 is already snow checked..See you at the top mr. skidoo if you can get there

Over here in Toronto we dont have any mountains. *So ill go to alaska and let you kick my ### going up a mountain. *Then you can come here and will line up on a lake. *You cant even imagine what would happen to you then.

I will line up my OLD 93 Vmax 750 with your 2001 Mach Z 800 on a lake. *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

hey toydoc i will be right beside you on my 93 vmax4 i know mine will do 135+ then he can see 2 yamaha tail lights at the same time LOL http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

This is getting fun.

It won&#39;t be fun when your $8,000 toy brakes down or needs parts. *Then I will drive my under powered over exaggerated viper 118mph passed you.

GO SKI-DOO!

nukethecompitition,
* Check the forums and ask around about how fast the viper really is. 104 on the radar. I do love it&#39;s looks though. I&#39;m waiting for my new rx-1er limiteds though. But damn if i&#39;m not thinking of cancelling one of the two i checked if the f-cat lives up to the hype(doubtfull). Heel clickers and trip pipes will make the viper scream.

Caleb * http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif *:

I wasnt under the gun this weekend with the viper but I was riding with 2 srx&#39;s and all 3 speedos said 120 and you know what it took those srx&#39;s 103mph to reel me in. On paper the viper might not look good but on the snow mine rocks, I even know a couple zr800 guys that will back that statement!!!

Corvette77. *

You seem pretty sure you can beat me on the ice. *

Well im not going to challange you to a race since thats pretty much impossable but let me tell you. *Out of the 2 or 3 v-max 4s that make it to the track 0 have ever beat me or any other mach z on the lake. *

Your good for 135+ well good for you. *So am I except i will probably get there twice as fast as you. *Or were you talking KM which would be a lot more belivable. *Im sorry to everyone that has to read this but you never see me bragging about how much faster I am because you can never be sure who your talking to. *Who knows maybe blair morgan is online hear under some other name laughing at everyone that thinks there better then him. *Infact i wouldnt dought the fact that Blair or some other highend racer glanced at this sight. *The point is that you dont know what someone else has or can do and there are many variations in machines and conditions. *Even within the same brand and model. *I remember a few years ago in 99 a guy I knew bought 2 srx yamahas and one would go about 10mph faster then the other one. *Its the same everywere. *Even altitude, air pressure, and wind can make a diffrence. *

So corvette will you show me tail lights? *Maybe. *

Toydoc will you show me tail lights? Maybe. *

Is there someone out there that will show all three of us tail lights? *Yes.

my vmax4 *has a hauck racing 880 big bore kit phased and welded crank wiseco ultra lite pistons bored carbs 180 cdi psi quads engine is completly balanced and has been dynoed at 215 hp and i have had it to 135 mph and still didnt have the throttle on the bar and with 244 stud it hooks up very nicely on ice i realy dont think your little doo could even think about keepin up you would see my tail lights 4 sure http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Corvette 77, you must be doing a rolling start to hook only 244 studs, with that much power, you must have a soft engagement. It takes my 97 Mach Z-stock 250 ice spears, to not spin, in all out drags. I run 103-105mph. in 660ft. in 6.4 second range. 0-60ft. in 1.2 seconds. *200-660 ft. in 3.50 seconds. *Just wondering if you have timed sled, to see if your getting power to ground quickly. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif As I am putting out in the 160 horsepower area.

the track still spins like crazy but the skis are off the ground most of the time so more studs would not gain me much if you concider in the fact this sled weighs about 600lbs most of that being right *on top of the skis you can see that its realy overpowered as far as radar runs i have never done that but i can tell you this sled is way fast i have been running 70mph and nailed it and the damb thing will still pull the skis off the ground take about scary when you hit the shift point8500rpm its still pulling so hard it will pull your hands off the bars i let my riddin buddy ride it he rode it for about 5 minutes brought it back and told me he dont want any part off that it scared the s#it out of him *you know this realy started as a kind of sarcastic joke we all have fast sleds and when you get to one that gets to that 135+ mark does it realy matter what brand name is on the side you cant read it anyway unless you are a speed reader LOL