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vapourtrail
02-18-2003, 02:21 PM
:D have you guys noticed that in the other forums that their are alot more mechanical problem questions then in this forum..............makes you kind of glad you bought the best,most reliable sled out there dosen't it.and yet we are a minority,what's with that. ??? do these other brand guys like working on their sleds all week before they ride them or what ??? or have they just bought into marketing hype,buy north american :blahblah:

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mopar4u
02-18-2003, 07:59 PM
Just for the record i'm not trying to start snowmobile world war 3. But wifes cousins 2000 SXR 500 with 2,000 miles: hand warmers don't work, choke on 1 carb sticks, replaced 1 trailing arm, replaced the "W" arm in the rear, broke 1 motor mount, eats belts every 800 miles. Its not perfect by any means.

ecopter
02-19-2003, 12:20 AM
1700 miles so far on the SRX and nothing but smiles :D .

(I'm tapping on the simulated wood grain finish of my computer desk as I type this, though :sarcasm: ).

Jon

SD_Sledhead
02-19-2003, 02:48 PM
There also aren't as many yamaha riders on this website as other brand riders.

SXman
03-16-2003, 10:21 PM
:D No complaints from me!...my 97 SX 700 has just turned over 7000 miles on it with a blue-printed, piped, clutched engine! Not once have I ever had to "raise the cab" on her while riding with all our buddies.

z800rotax
03-17-2003, 08:48 AM
They all have their problems.I seem to remember yamaha giving up on twins ;)

Machzzzz1
03-17-2003, 10:51 AM
So far this year. Ive stopped to help a bunch of sleds.

3 Yamahas
4 Arctic Cats
2 Skidoos
2 Polaris.

Funny thing was that almost all of them had the same problem except the skidoos (One had a clutch failure, the other a engine failure) But all the others lost there driveshaft.

IMO this season was real hard on drive shafts. I dont know why but that seemed to be the numberone cause of breakdowns this year for me.

Anyone else find the same.

NorthernDealerMan
03-17-2003, 04:52 PM
Powder, it always kills me that when we start a nice post the next thing you know everybody and their brother is on us like a buzzard on a gut wagon hammering Yammy! Jeolousy you say, I think this could be it possibly?.
No sled is perfect. Point well taken, and Yammy has more than enough problems as pointed out here with mid 90's twins (gas hogs, not really great performers, ect), and other models.

From a numbers point also, we are a small minority. At a recent dealer meeting for 2002/3 Yammy is about 11% of all new sled sales in Canada, while Doo is about 40%...not hard to figure out who the market leader is! Also keep in mind that Doo has been around longer and harder, with many more dealerships. In the immediate area of us we are the sole Yammy dealer for 100 miles, yet there are 4 Doo dealerships!

Realistically then from a numbers standpoint, it is logical to think that there should be 4 times as many Doos (or Cats or Polari) broke at any given time in the shop than Yammys? Im here to tell you this is not the case!

Im certainly not picking on Doo here, worked for them for years, owned them and still love them! (just doing a numbers illustration because Doo is definitley the King of sales, and even more so next year with the huge mass appeal of the Rev design). Our sleds are definitley more market/segment specific (ie RX-1), and we dont have nearly as many models!

What kills me is guys who talk from second hand experience or just inexperience (ever own any other sled or brand other than the one they are currently driving).

SXMan, I definitely agree with your points and I guess that is what I was leading up towards. Do this for a living (every day, not just on weekends) for years and see not only the stuff you sell come back, but the competition, and you get a pretty good idea of where the problems are and with who (and for the most part it aint Yammy!)(we fix all brands and sell lots of used).

Talk to our parts manager...we stock more of the competitions parts than our own!

Just my opinion and observations over years........all brands have excellent models in one form or another! The only bad sled is one that leaves you stranded in -40 or costs you too much money!

gregrobbins
03-17-2003, 05:16 PM
Actually to tell the truth down home there are a few older 250s, 300s and 340s. The by's love em and it's pretty tough to best the longtrack Bravo in the woods , and the shoet track is almost bullet proof.
Question? With these oil injection units ( dosen't matter which brand) how come they only put a low oil warning light on them? I seen guys loose their pump while riding at night (no light comes on) then lose their engine (all brands). One guys pump stuck wide open while hauling logs out at night, needless to say the oil in the tank didn't last as long as it usually does. Driving slow with logs in tow, he didn't notice the performance loss until the oil ran out ( found out later the light was blown). Although most people down home use Ski-Doo's But they swear by those Yammies :)

vapourtrail
03-17-2003, 08:49 PM
maybe i'm just being mean but i honestly get sick of people bad mouthing my ride without any facts to back it up.i have not had any problems in 4 years on my sled and when i tell people this they say i must have the only one...........what's up with that ???

dilligaf52
03-26-2003, 01:42 PM
Powder it seems to me that you started the bashing with your comments - I have owned and rode all brands - IMO Yamaha has the best fit and finish of all the sleds but lets face it no one brand is better than the rest hands down - I currently ride a F7 - I had a problem the first day I had it out but after that it has ran perfect. The front rail cap came off and tore the track, but I had the same thing happen on a Mountain Max. There is nothing wrong with being brand loyal but lets all face the facts, all man. make good and bad sleds.

kennypope
03-26-2003, 03:38 PM
My 800 rev sport has 5000kms and still counting, and has been to the shop for its 10hr inspection and hasn't been back, man what a piece of junk, still waiting for a chance to try out one of the spare spark plugs they give you!!

Rotaxrider
03-27-2003, 01:19 AM
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spikegary
03-27-2003, 10:33 AM
:thumbsup: It's so different to have the dealer call me more than I have to go visit him-He calls to make sure I'm a happy camper and to thank me when I send him a customer. Feels funny not signing my paycheck over to a dealer.........

Machzzzz1
03-27-2003, 07:03 PM
So far ive got 42000 trouble free KM with all my skidoos together. They still pull like Day one. Some are sold now but only becasue I wanted somthing new.

Only thing is right now my Mach seems a little week. I need to refresh the clutch and maybe change the reeds. But after that im back in buisness.

zr580s rule
04-02-2003, 03:01 AM
who really cares, why do most of the people have to bash what other people ride and why does everyone have to try and sell their brand of sled to other people i dont really care. you better believe that im gonna spend my money on what i wanna ride and not something someone tells me to.

im so sick of "this sled breaks down more than this other sled," "this sled is faster than this sled," "that rev will really outhandle anything you've ever ridden even if your a sucky rider," "my mom can out wrestle your mom," and other crap like that

sorry just venting

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04-04-2003, 03:18 PM
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Good2Go
04-04-2003, 05:51 PM
I'm not going to start brand bashing here but i think the Ski-Doo Rev has the nicest fit and finish, and for the reliablitly part they are fixing all motors problems.

By the way i'm not saying i dont like Yamahas, they're nice sleds. But i think the 2-stroke ski-doo is and will be always at the top. I think that the majority of riders like 2-stroke over 4-stroke. ???

spikegary
04-07-2003, 04:31 PM
:hallo1: I agree most people like 2-smokers over fours, but until this year, what choices were on the market in the 4-stroke world? The AC 660 with a whopping 58 h.p.?

4-strokes are the wave of the future, especially with the tree-hugger movement and the 2006 pollution statutes in the states. The new Ski-Doo 4-stroke 1000 touring is nice, but for shear go-power the Yamaha is hands-down the sled to go with. AC is introducing the 660 Turbo for 2004-think they would have done that if it wasn't for the RX-1? I still have a 2-stroke, but the RX-1 just makes it look OLD.

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04-13-2003, 06:11 AM
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wilgy
04-13-2003, 06:18 AM
Owe, just for the record I hope Yamaha doesn,t give up on two strokes. The RX1 has its place but don't abandone us guys that have a soft spot for two strokes, especially on machines where weight is everything.

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04-14-2003, 01:43 PM
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spikegary
04-15-2003, 01:12 PM
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Machzzzzz1-

Change in the market place happens slowly. Yamaha has come up with an out of the park home run (yeah, it's springtime) in the RX-1. I've ridden but never owned ski-doos. I understand they are good machines. I feel like the RX-1 is a better machine and other manufacturers will be chasing after them making the next big break through. Like throwing a turbo on a 660. Maybe your French (o.k. French Canadian) Buddies at Bombardier will figure out a transfer case and a clutch so you can have a 4 speed sled with overdrive-who knows what's next? Most likely with politics in the mix, You'll see a lot more 4-strokes in the next decade. By 2006, I don't think the SDI will meet the emisisons standards.

Enjoy your sled, let me enjoy mine........

SXman
04-15-2003, 08:55 PM
:withstupid: Bravo!

piped bravo
04-16-2003, 04:20 PM
were does it say the s.d.i. met the emmisions for 06 and the RX did not.....just curious. :doh:

DAVE7625
04-16-2003, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by piped bravo@Apr 16 2003, 03:20 PM
were does it say the s.d.i. met the emmisions for 06 and the RX did not.....just curious. :doh:
I read it somewhere also, but i also read in other mags that the rx1 does meet the 2006 emmitions. Then it some it says it doesnt but they can easily add a clean running efi to meet the emmitions standard but it would add to the cost of an already pricy sled the article said.

slarson
04-16-2003, 10:07 PM
Guys, Guys.....

OPINION has a lot to do with what you like.....what I mean is I had bad experiences with arctic cats and their "initial quality" and also had problems with suzuki products in the past so I am partial against them. I am pretty indifferent to the other three.

MAINTENANCE is huge as well, my 98 FIII 600 has over 9000 miles, and as many of you know that motor was hard on crank bearings, but not mine, it has not been touched. I think proper storage (indoors is a huge help), grease, cleaning carbs, keeping clutches clean and springs fresh etc, keeping sled clean and free of rodents, using quality oils all play a part in this. I have had 2 problems over this time worth mentioning.....a broken front arm in the rear suspension at 3500 miles, and a broken track at 8992 miles caused by studding, not studs, track would still be good. I ride on good trails which also helps alot.

Now from riding them my opinions.........Cats are too loud for my liking, the last one I rode was a 2001, it got horrible mileage, and it had factory reverse, when you went backwards it grabbed the rear flap and tore it off, it was too long, and flexible.

Polaris (one in the stable) Good all around sled, fit and finish better than Cat, no problems in 6000 miles other than a broken recoil at 15 miles. I have ridden an 02 XC, and that chaincase/brake noise is annoying.

Doo (one in the stable) satisfied all around, mileage could be better, stingy on oil, CK-3 sure is heavy compared to the ZX (have not ridden a REV) nice and quiet.

Yamaha (one in the stable, 03 Viper ER) Nice sled, love the smooth, economical, quiet motor. Factory set up is poor, needed more ski pressure, even for the wife and the rear suspension is still too stiff. The seat where it meets the tank could use more padding seeing you always slide forward on this thing so much. Power valves need lots of attention compared to my Doo, we run the same oil in both, and consumption is very low on the Yammie, another plus! Good sled for a long ride! Initial quality, and fit and finish are superb.

See what I mean, and whats important to me may not be to you, like economy, and sound levels which are my OPINIONS.

If the money you spent gives you the enjoyment you expected, then you made the right choice!

99SRX700
04-17-2003, 12:57 PM
I think that its all about phazes. Every manufacturer has its hits and misses. I usually go by generations of machines. Like for example I think Yamaha is doing very well with their latest generation of two strokes (anything 97 or newer). I can remember them not being able to keep those exciters together back in the day, and I was never impressed with the TSS V-Maxes either. So basically what I am saying is it all depends on what generation of machines we are talking about. Right now I am a yammi fan because they are doing well with this generation and I think they will continue to with the four stroke line up. I would stay away from Cat and Doo because of the rediculous amount of engine trouble with the Firecats and the Bombi twins. At this point I think yammi has a great triple line up and Polaris has a great twin line up. That will all change in seasons to come and thats why I say its all about phazes and generations of machines. Maybe the next generation of cats will be the best and most reliable out there...who knows.

HonksRX-1
04-30-2003, 01:19 AM
As far as mec probs. I had none this year with My RX-1. I was getting to many miles on my cat, and wanted to trade, so my dealer, who sells Yammy and Cat convinced me to buy the Yammi. They said, sledom do they have to work on Yammies, but look right out that door, and see the number of Cats that needed work. That convinced me! All the guys that work there, run Yamaha! That must mean something! They all claim that the Yammi will get you home, when the Cat will strand you out on the trail. I have always run Cats, and that was hard to hear, but after running my RX-1 it will be a long time to change back! I have always been so brand loyal, now I don't understand why? The other thing that convinced me was, I went to the Cat site today, Most of their topics are about fixing the things! What a shame! Try something else to ride, you might like it! open up your horizons! :doh:
Honk

Machzzzz1
04-30-2003, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by spikegary@Apr 17 2003, 11:38 AM
:withstupid: Machzzzz1 always yells his opinion regardless of the facts. What you said is true! Opinions are like........well we won't go there.
If your refuring to SDI not meeting emmitions then your dead wrong. Like i said before they meet 2006 and beyond.

The RX-1 does not.

I got that info from snow tech mag.

99SRX700
04-30-2003, 04:10 PM
Machzzz is right the SDI does meet 06 standards but so does the RX-1. The bottom line is that other than the fact that it has five valves per cylinder, the RX-1 doesn't really demonstrate the latest four stroke technology. By this I mean it doesn't have variable valve timing, and doesn't even have fuel injection nevermind the high tech fuel injection systems the future holds for four strokes. SDI is the latest and greatest for two strokes...there isn't much past that for the two-stroke market. My point is in 2006 six when the bar is raised higher the two strokes will have nothing left where the four strokes will have so much more. Not only that but comparing the RX-1 to an SDI motor isn't a fair comparison because the RX-1 doesn't demonstrate the latest technology when the SDI does.

Machzzzz1
04-30-2003, 09:22 PM
First off, I did a little research and your right.

The RX-1 meets 2006 emmitions but its right at the line. If things tighten up after 2006 they will be forced to use EFI and a cat.

However you are wrong to think SDI is the latest technology. Hell its not even close. Evinrude has FICHT fuel injection which is night and day better then SDI for cleaning up 2 stroke and now they have E-tech.

E-tech 2 stroke outboard engines of any HP have a CARB 3 star Rating which is the best emmision level you can have (Ultra Low emmisions). This is thanks to its stratified fuel combustion chamber and improved direct injection.

It will have %80 less carbon monoxide at Idle then a 4 stroke, and use %75 less oil then current 2 strokes.


So you see, 2 strokes are poised to take over for good in more then just snowmobiles. I bet they will return to Motorcycles and will definitly be the focus of outboards. WIth of course bombardier (Or whoever buys them) at the helm.

Mighty RX-1
04-30-2003, 11:50 PM
RX-1 Models Meet Proposed 2006 Emission Standards



The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has unveiled proposed emission regulations for snowmobiles that could take effect as early as 2006. Yamaha is pleased to announce that two of the industries’ most popular 2003 models – the Yamaha RX-1 and RX-1 Mountain four-strokes – already meet these tough regulations.

99SRX700
05-01-2003, 12:00 PM
Machzzz all those innovations you mentioned are basically different versions of the same thing. FICHT is what SDI is based on...thats how bombi got SDI. When OMC (Evinrude and Johnson) went under Bombadier bought them out and therefore acquired the rights to their injection technology which they bought from orbital. I know that Honda and Yamaha already researched the idea of using two strokes in bikes. When doing this both found better ways to make a DI system than what orbital had and they still dropped the idea because in the long run it wouldn't take them nearly as far as four strokes. Either way, the RX-1 is still very basic technology while SDI is much more sophisticated. What happens when you put a system that works similar to SDI on a four stroke? All SDI does is make sure the fuel is completely atomized before it enters the combustion chamber..thats what reduces the emittions so much...you can do the same with a four stroke but it hasn't been done because you can still meet the 06 standards with a four stroke as simple and basic as the RX-1. Whats going to happen when they start using high tech injection systems like SDI on four strokes? that with variable valve timing means they would be a lot cleaner, and produce just as much power as a two stroke. But this is way down the road. In the immediate future it will be the two strokes...in the long run we will see that four strokes are better.

spikegary
05-02-2003, 03:06 PM
:withstupid: Once again-change comes slowly, but 4-strokes are the wave of the future, especially with EPA, tree-huggers and the like, plus more population pushing into the areas we ride, it'll be 'quiet' or 'closed' on the trail signs..........

99SRX700
05-03-2003, 01:18 AM
Once four stroke technology proves that they can have as much horsepower as a two stroke we will see that they are way better because they will be far more durable, quieter, have a much broader powerband, and they will be cleaner. The only issue with four strokes now is the power and future technology will change that. The only problem is the technology is coming in the two strokes first so in the short term they will have the advantage...but I am talking about the long term.

spikegary
05-05-2003, 01:22 PM
:withstupid: Amen Brother!

:p

CORY9
05-09-2003, 11:44 PM
Fascinating reading. Even the guys who claim they don't like 'brand bashing' do exactly that in their posts. Hilarious.
By the way, each manufacture has a sled I wish I owned. My next purchase will be based on the dealer as much as the brand. Just my two cents :doh:

SKI-DOOD
05-10-2003, 02:37 AM
Originally posted by SD_Sledhead@Feb 19 2003, 02:48 PM
There also aren't as many yamaha riders on this website as other brand riders.
that is exactly it. up until the viper and rx-1 came out this forum was very slow look at the # of posts compared to the rest.
To tell you truth with the exception of one person i know that bought an rx-1 last year in my area, i have never seen one on our trails or bay.
he is talking about getting rid of it though. He had alot of headaches with it flooding all the time. would start good but as soon as he hit the throttle it stalled and flooded big time.

800MXZ
05-10-2003, 10:00 AM
Fascinating reading. Even the guys who claim they don't like 'brand bashing' do exactly that in their posts. Hilarious.


I must remind everyone again. There will not be any brand bashing allowed on the site, or any bashing of any kind.

The Yamaha moderator has been quite busy and has had to slow down on his moderating for a little while and it is hard for the moderators to keep up on other forums. If there is any bashing going in, feel free to use the REPORT THIS THREAD feature.

spikegary
05-14-2003, 02:10 PM
Cory9-

The dealer had a lot to do with buying a Yamaha this year-the AC dealer I have worked with for years wanted to sell me an F5 in the worst possible way, even after I told him I wanted an F6 or an F7, along with his service department, that was enough to drive me to look around-brand new Yamaha Dealer in the area wanted and worked for my business and got it-his attitude and the sled put a big SOLD sign on that RX-1.

I've been very pleased with my purchase and would do business with him again in a heartbeat-I've already sent some folks his way-and he calls and thanks me too.............Dealer attitude makes all the difference.

HonksRX-1
05-21-2003, 11:46 PM
I have not heard of the flooding probs that you describe. I tipped mind allmost over on myself, all I could do was wait for my buddies to tip it back, as I was under it trying to hold it up so I didn't do any damage. I turned the key and all it would do is turn over. I pulled the choke and tryed again and it started right up with no problems. Take it back to the dealer I guess? Thinkin Snow
HONK

ViperER2
05-31-2003, 04:09 AM
if you bought a yamaha clearly you bought into the marketing hype... no other manufacturer spends more money to tell you how great their sleds are instead of actually making great sleds...

not trying to bash, I was a yammie loyalist until I finally got fed up with the no-action skid! that was in 2002, its 2004 and they are still using that tired old suspension... had 4 new Yams in 4 years, problem free but just not as much fun to ride as others I finally found that out!

spikegary
06-03-2003, 11:51 AM
Viper-

Hype might have been part of it, but my AC dealer (that pissed me off to no end) is also the local Ski-Doo Dealer. I'm not a big fan of Polaris-a friend has one and swears by it by the way, but it's not for me. I'm not interested in driving for hours to get to another dealer who will take care of me. My local Yamaha dealer does take care of me and keeps me happy. To me, it makes all the difference.

I still have 2 cats and have found a free-lance shop that I trust and that wants my business.

The RX-1 is 100% more comfortable to ride than my Wildcat, though we are talking different generations of technology. I love the RX-1-I think the 2004s will be even better with a lot of the riders concerns addressed!

Machzzzz1
06-16-2003, 10:09 AM
Originally posted by ViperER2@May 31 2003, 04:09 AM
if you bought a yamaha clearly you bought into the marketing hype... no other manufacturer spends more money to tell you how great their sleds are instead of actually making great sleds...

not trying to bash, I was a yammie loyalist until I finally got fed up with the no-action skid! that was in 2002, its 2004 and they are still using that tired old suspension... had 4 new Yams in 4 years, problem free but just not as much fun to ride as others I finally found that out!
Amen Viper Amen.

Thats exactly how I feel about Yamaha. There advertising genieus's. This fight has been fought time and time again so im not getting into it again. But don't start talking BS by saying a 4 stroke can make the same power as a two stroke. If they are equally tuned the two stroke will make more power period.

That RX-1 motor is the most highly tuned 4 stroke that I can think off besides F1 and Cart engines. A snowmobile two stroke up until SDI and EFI were brothers of a chainsaw engine, so don't compare the RX-1 motor to a current two stroke.

Spikegary - If I was going to spend 10000 bucks CDN on a machine, I would drive 7 Hours to get what I want. Not just show up at the closest dealer. Just my opinion.

spikegary
06-16-2003, 12:34 PM
Mach-

And your opinion is valid. I was frustrated with the dealer here for many reasons, and I read up on and test drove the RX-1 and fell in love with it. Dealer discounted $1000 USD and wanted and continues to want my business. I know you have grave doubts about the 4-strokers, but lots of us are extremely happy with our purchases. Also, when you factor in 'other' expenses I no longer pay, like having a box of spark plugs available, plenty of oil, etc., I guess it's a pay you now or pay you later kind of thing.

Come on out this winter and we'll swap sleds for a while-I'm not saying you'll have some kind of God-sent flash and buy an RX-1 the next day, but who knows, you might find something you like about these.........

dawg
06-16-2003, 02:30 PM
it has to do with the fact that there way more doo's, poo's and cats on the trial, so it only makes sense that there would be more posts on other forums

dawg
06-16-2003, 02:33 PM
forgot to mention that in my backyard there sits a 2000 sx 500, burnt to the ground 2 yrs ago. we bought it back from insurance to sell the parts off of it.

Machzzzz1
06-16-2003, 02:54 PM
Spikegary - Thanks for the gesture but I get my fair share of riding time on the RX-1.

IMO it is a nice all around machine, It packs some punch, Is very quiet, Doesnt smoke, well you know.

But It handled just like the MachZ. If it wasnt for the Rev i would have probably been very impressed with it, But one I drove the Rev, i just couldn't deny myself the fun i would be missing if I kept riding the Mach or any conventional style sled.

The Rev 600HO Sdi is suposidly getting unbelivable fuel economy and its very fast, The Regular 600ho won at the hill climbs against the F7, F6, Pretty much everything including the 800s. Thats where i was fully sold on the 600. The SDI also saves you a lot of oil, but i dont mind buying oil since its not that big a deal anyways. I love the feel of a two stroke and thats what i choose to ride. But I still apreciate what yamaha has done with 4 stroke engines. The R1 motor is a marval just like all those superbike engines are, and it might get a few more people into the sport. But once your off the lake and on the trails, regardless of how great you think your machine is handling and riding, there is better out there and thats what took me 2 years to admite and finally get off the Mach.

Im still not sure about my Mach trade, She needed some work, but nothing pulled like that sled did, Nothing. And now that there gone, nothing ever will.

spikegary
07-08-2003, 11:57 AM
I know I didn't make myself clear enough in earlier posts-if the Arctic Cat dealer hadn't pissed me off so much, I never would have stopped at the Yamaha dealer. At the Yamaha Dealer, I tested the RX-1 and fell in love with it. May not be the perfect fit for all people, but it sure is for me!!

HonksRX-1
07-26-2003, 04:13 AM
for sure spike! my RX-1 fits me prefect too! I always rode cats, My ZL was awsome untill that four stroke came out. My nepfew early ordered his and paid dearly! just about ten grand! I waited a month and a half later and bought for 7900.00 With reverse. I think that was a pretty good deal. Never really got that excited about my sled before.Now a can't wait for snow!!! Talk to ya Honk

The red ones are pretty fast too!!

spikegary
08-04-2003, 11:21 PM
Honks-

Any more info on that place down by you?

Gary

HonksRX-1
08-10-2003, 02:59 AM
gary i can't seem to find any info on the property, only a small for sale sign. I'll keep lookin. Honk