I heard on the radio today that they have approval and Turkey all figured out so it is now on Pres. Bush's command and we'll take them #$%(*@&! out!!!!! :)

Btw...what do all of you think about war with Iraq? For or against? Just wondering. I am 110% for it 'cuz there is no way that we could do it any other way ???

Saddom needs to be removed from power, we should have done it in the Gulf War. War is never good but sometimes it's the only way. I'm behind President Bush 100%.

I am a combat vet,served with the 1/75th ranger btn in granada,and the 3rd in panama... and a few more places i can't talk about.I would not wish war on anybody....however sometimes its unavoidable.we have to do it.one of the things we talked about when we left the gulf in 91 was...i hope our children don't have to come back and finish this...well here we go..lets do it right this time.

I would not wish war on anybody....however sometimes its unavoidable.we have to do it.
A sad but true statement indeed.

Normally I'm 100% against war but in this case I don't see another option. Still hoping some other way will come through at the last second.
If war does break out, may God watch over and protect those fighting.

Rick.

im behind bush on this but i dont understand why we as a country cant just mind our own. all the other countries fo the world do.. but we gotta go poking around in eveyone's business thats why so many terriorists hate us if we would just leave them alone we would be just fine but it seems like we gotta go fight for everyone else that would die if we didnet help them.. well maybe if we let them die it would prevent us from dieing ya know?

frigg i wish u guys were aloud to get in there and rip up that whole country. why r some countries eyes so blind to what that @$$hole is doing overthere. i am 110 % for it

I am behind President Bush 100%. However, it isn't me that the US needs to convince. I do strongly believe that we need world backing due to the screweyness of the area. Despite all of the information that was given by Colin Powell, I still hear of governmental officials stating that they have not shown all of the evidence to the UN. Well, it's time to put up the big fat hairy secret information to get the hesitant countries online. Without world backing, we have ZERO percent tolerance for ANYTHING to go even slightly wrong.

Speaking of this, my youngest brother shipped out yesterday for Kuait. Unfortunately I don't know what unit he's in.

Old daddio should have taken care off business in the Gulf war. I stand behind the president,it comes down to kill or be killed. Bush has said some stupid things in the past and pissed off other countries though. ???

Let's kick his mother F#%$ing azz.

UN backing means little help, but $$ toward reparations. SCREW reparation,,, CONQUER IRAQ! :D Gas ought to be about .33 a gallon by April! :D

Good idea Troll. I think after the war we build a pipe line from Bagdad to New York.

I'm with team Arctic .... Saddam needs to be took out of power , nobody eles . Why kill innocent people they have no voice if they don't vote for Saddam he will kill them . Oh and about Turkey and 15 Billion dollars , Don't the USA have some problems at home that they could spend that money on . Saddam test's his poisen gas out on his own people !!! Think back to the golf war ..... Iraq troops were surrendering to camra crews ... The USA will enilate Iraq , it's not even a test . Like come on more US troops were killed by frendly fire then anything Iraq has .... You call that a WAR ..... I call that a SLATTER !!!!! Plus think about the big picture .... If ALL of the UN is not for it ..... then there will be BIG BIG TROUBLE !!! WW3 is right around the corner . North Korea . LOOK OUT !!!

I am all for it!!! I just hope that we do it right this time!!!

Saddam is NOT OSAMA

It funny to see you guys all happy about getting your own troops killed for nothing but oil

Go after Osama NOT Saddam

This war talk is pissing me OFF :cussing:

Nothing but racist comments and ignorance

Yes Saddam killed his OWN people,

Bush is jus adding propoganda and using 9/11 to fear monger us!!!!!!!!!

The USA is just looking for trouble

I would not be surprised if this causes more 9/11(let hope not)but the US is poke the Hornets nest.

I am ANTI WAR

but of course some will attack my views :doh:

Hey Freezerburnt, when that bomb filled with VX nerve agents that some terrorist bought from your friend Saddam and kills thousands of Canadians remember what you wrote in your post. And send your own f*%^ing Army to take care of the problem and stay out of the U.S.

See this post is turning into a USA is great and the rest of the world is wrong!!!!!!!!

There is nothing wrong with Americans,it is their government

Why would Saddam want to attack Canada??

Why would Saddam give Nerve agents to some terrorist group to attack the US???

Because the US goverment is sticking it nose where it does NOT belong

If the States attacks Iraq look out here comes another 9/11

See just like I said :doh:

You make me laugh FrostBit :sleeping: ,turning this issue into a anti Canadian post

Let's have peace and let them solve their own problems

it's not about the oil. it's about chemical weapons that he's been making for years. what do think he's going to do with them?
sell them at bake sale. he's going to use them on someone some day.
and the USA does not want to see this happen in our country.
anti war or not you have to stop this nut case. war i dont know
if this is the right thing to do. but if someone's got a smarter plan
give G.B. a call and let him know.

it's not about the oil. it's about chemical weapons that he's been making for years. what do think he's going to do with them?
sell them at bake sale. he's going to use them on someone some day.
and the USA does not want to see this happen in our country.
anti war or not you have to stop this nut case. war i dont know
if this is the right thing to do. but if someone's got a smarter plan
give G.B. a call and let him know.

:withstupid: EXACTLY!* Well said.* Freezerburnt~* We aren't anti-canadian.* I myself love Canadians.* But why should we wait to be attacked again instead of opening a can on their candy-@$$#^ jabronies. ???*
Old daddio should have taken care off business in the Gulf war. I stand behind the president,it comes down to kill or be killed. Bush has said some stupid things in the past and pissed off other countries though.

Also EXACTLY! It does come down to kill or be killed. :(

:cussing:

take Saddam out but not his people

They are just as innocent just as the ones that perished that illl feated day in Sept 2001

But then again IRAQ HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO IN THE 9/11 attacks

Bush is fear mongering because he knows his popularity rises when he threatens war

Originally posted by FreezerBurnt@Feb 24 2003, 12:12 AM
:cussing:

take Saddam out but not his people

They are just as innocent just as the ones that perished that illl feated day in Sept 2001

But then again IRAQ HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO IN THE 9/11 attacks

Bush is fear mongering because he knows his popularity rises when he threatens war
Freezerburt, Your stepping way out of line on this one.

Ive had it up to here with the anti war Canadian attitude. Nobody wants a war but just like going to work every morning, it has to be done.

There are so many reasons why.

1. Saddam is just as bad a Osama.
2. Saddam most likly helped Osama arrange 9/11 or trained half of his damm henchmen.
3. Saddam is a damm terrorist himself and he terrorizes his own people. This idiot tried to take over kuwait a decade ago.

Why would Saddam build long range missle launching platforms when the short range ones that he had covered his own country. Why would saddam not just prove to the US that he desposed of all his weapons and chemical agents.

And the big reason is Oil. The Us and Canada needs it. And they have it. The only reason the french were trying to delay this little escapade for as long as possible is becasue they probably have some sort of buissness deal with iraq to buy there oil cheap.

Life wont be that fun over here when gas prices go over 1.50 will it.

No, Saddam has been givin a very very fair chance to stop this war, all he had to do was cooperate and answer a few questions but no, he would rather see a war. Well hes going to get it and ill bet it will be over before you wake up becasue the US isnt going to mess around this time.

Sure you can gamble with all of our lives by saying Saddam and his people are innocent and that they should deal with there own problems, Well you dont know what his real motives are. What if Saddam could build Nuclear bombs and put them in napsacks and hand them over to Osamas boys as they position themselfs around every major city in the US and then all at once blow them off at once.

I live just barly 50km away from the states just accros lake Ontario so as far as im concerned its just as much our problem as it is theres.

Machzzzz1~ Very nice post! :thumbsup: Couldn't say it better myself :)

freezerburnt: how do you know he had nothing to to with 9/11
you must get your info from france. what if it is about the oil.

let me give you a clue. your at home. your furnace dies. your family
get's cold. you cant get any fuel. you get in your car to warm your family up. you run out of gas. cant get gas. (because the is no oil ) then what?
no war for oil? then your name would be freezerburnt for sure.
you can ##### all you want we are going to war no matter how many
of you anti americans #### and moan about it. thats life. if you dont like it. keep your anti american comments to yourself.

Machzzzz1 - Amen brotha, very well stated !

for &U^$&#*%^ sakes Iam NOT *&^^$&U ANTI AMERICAN!!!

get that through you head!!!

Once again Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11

You guys are making it sound too simplistic

Furnace is NG btw :p

Why is Saddam just as bad as Osama???

There is ABSOLUTLY NO PROOF of Saddam training Osama's guys

OSAMA HATES SADDAM,He has always hated him

IT is SAD that ANTI WAR is miscontrude by simple minded people to be ANTI AMERICAN


I AM ANTI WAR

NOT ANTI AMERICAN FOR **** SAKES

Originally posted by FreezerBurnt@Feb 24 2003, 12:12 AM
:cussing:

take Saddam out but not his people

They are just as innocent just as the ones that perished that illl feated day in Sept 2001

But then again IRAQ HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO IN THE 9/11 attacks

Bush is fear mongering because he knows his popularity rises when he threatens war
We wont have to take out his people Saddam will do that himself when he uses his chemicals to try to gas our troops when they enter Bagdad. That man is so sick he's going to kill his own people.

Yes some innocent people will die in the war but as in all wars it's unavoidable, it's sad and tragic but it will happen.

But the real tragedy is that non of those innocent people have to die, Saddam could stop this war but he's choseing not to. Saddam will have there blood on his hands, it wont be on ours.

You guys are making it sound too simplistic

Whats so complicated about it. Saddam has weapons that he wont admit to. We will use force to make sure those weapons are in the right hands before he uses them on us or his people.


Once again Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11

You must either be Saddam or Osama Himself. Only those two know the truth behind that answer. Untill there is proof that says that saddam didnt have anything to do with 9/11, it is in the intrest of safety that we take him out.

There is ABSOLUTLY NO PROOF of Saddam training Osama's guys

The US supplied photos of Terrorist training camps on iraq soil. Unless your as blind as the Canadian Prime minister you tend to notice huge terrorist training camps in the middle of your dessert.

IT is SAD that ANTI WAR is miscontrude by simple minded people to be ANTI AMERICAN

IMO this war is to protect the people of the US. Buy delaying war you are giving the upper hand to the enemy which will only use this time to develop weapons. This may not be true but are you willing to risk lives to find out.

I AM ANTI WAR

We all are anti war. Nobody wants a war. But we need to step up and be adults and realize that we dont live in a ferry tail and things dont allways work out for the good guys. It was War that has allowed us to live in the way we live right now. We must do what ever it takes to preserve this even if it means kicking some middle eastern ###.

Furnace is NG

So are some other household appliances such as water heaters, and stoves. Did you know that you can also get outdoor grills that are fueled by natural gas.

The US supplied photos of Terrorist training camps on iraq soil. Unless your as blind as the Canadian Prime minister you tend to notice huge terrorist training camps in the middle of your dessert

Ya just like the pics that show Iraqi troops on the borde with Saudi Arabia back in 91 that where proven false and the US admitted that they were doctored

Freezerburnt. I dont understand how you can give iraq the benifit of dought.

You have no proof that says other wise and the consequences of a mistake could be huge. Do you really think that Bush is acting on what he sees on CNN. Bush would not run into war becasue he wants to flex his muscles so dont even go down that road.

IMO, North American lives come first. And if our goverment thinks there is reason to worry then im all for it.

Some friends were talking about Germanys ANTI-WAR stance on the Iraq issue. And a Friend of mine says

" Germany opposed to war? This IS a good thing, seeing they have been the cause of historys last two major wars in one century, This is a good change for Germany"

I say we hope they keep up the good work.

Cool it fellas.

Everyone can have an opinion here without getting hot headed.

I am NOT giving Saddam the benefit of the doubt!!

Thanx MachZZZ

Your proved my point

North Americans lives 1st????

You could not give a darn about all the innocent Iraquis that will die

YES 3000s died here,but the war in Iraq will kill a lot more!!

The threat of biological weapons is real. Iraq purchased germ samples from the U.S. in the late 80s. Yes,right from the homeland. Back then it was legal for pharmisutical companies to purchase germ samples for testing puposes.Later the U.S. found out that Iraq was useing these samples and growing more for use in weapons. There is no doubt that Saddaam Insane has these and will use then.

The threat of radioactive bombs (dirty bombs) is real.Thanks to Russia,it was and still is easy to obtain radioactive matter.The Russian government went crazy on useing nuclear generators for many different purposes.One being for the farming industry that treats seeds for long term storage.These thing were all over the place.Well,these units are full of radioactive material that is very dangerous. In the wrong hands,it could be defastating. Making a bomb and mixing this material in it can cause a radioactive cloud. Killing people from radioactive poisoning,contaminating everything in its path.Causing cancer in the long term. Over half of these units are missing,terrorists maybe?

And this is not a war about oil either. Its about chemical weapons,illegal weapons,non compliance with U.N. Its about Saddam needing to be removed from power. He is evil.

I dont like the idea of war as much as the next guy. Possibly due to your geographic location,things seem different. I live 150 miles from Chicago,60 miles from Milwaukee,50 miles from Madison. Any possible attacks could be close to my home. Paraniod? maybe but it is reality and it scares the hell out of me. These people absolutly hate Americans.

Propaganda? Yes we have seen plenty of it. The American government wants us to know exactly what is going on. They are looking for support from all of us. I have great respect for the troops in the Gulf and they have my support. We are all in this thing together. So instead of cutting down the government for protecting our own people,we should think of all the troops in the Gulf away from thier families and support them.

Anyone remember this??

It was 1987! At a lecture the other day they were playing an old news
video of Lt.Col. Oliver North testifying at the Iran-Contra hearings during the Reagan Administration.

There was Ollie in front of God and country getting the third degree, but
what he said was stunning!

He was being drilled by a senator; "Did you not recently spend close to
$60,000 for a home security system?"

Ollie replied, "Yes, I did, Sir."

The senator continued, trying to get a laugh out of the audience, "Isn't
that just a little excessive?"

"No, sir," continued Ollie.

"No? And why not?" the senator asked.

"Because the lives of my family and I were threatened, sir."

"Threatened? By whom?" the senator questioned.

"By a terrorist, sir" Ollie answered.

"Terrorist? What terrorist could possibly scare you that much?"

"His name is Osama bin Laden, sir" Ollie replied.

At this point the senator tried to repeat the name, but couldn't pronounce it, which most people back then probably couldn't. A couple of people laughed at the attempt. Then the senator continued. Why are you so afraid of this man?" the senator asked.

"Because, sir, he is the most evil person alive that I know of", Ollie
answered.

"And what do you recommend we do about him?" asked the senator.

"Well, sir, if it was up to me, I would recommend that an assassin team be formed to eliminate him and his men from the face of the earth."

The senator disagreed with this approach, and that was all that was shown of the clip.

By the way, that senator was Al Gore

Also:

Terrorist pilot Mohammad Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners."

However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands, The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released.

Thus Mohammad Atta was freed and eventually thanked the US by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center. This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified. It was censored in the US from all later reports.

Isn't this the same thing that is going on with Saddam? It seems like no big deal now??????????

MXZ-Power, that story is internet "junk".......the U.S. had no problem with Bin Laden back then, he hadnt been thrown out of saudi arabia at that point I believe. The "terrorist" Ollie North really reffered to was a scumbag named Abu Nidal, and I believe he was involved with Libya/terrorist groups at the time.

Me and my family and friends lives come first. Everyone in north america comes second. And iraqies are way way way down the list.

Once again freezerburn, Movies where everything works out at the end are just that, Movies. Sept 11 proved that. If we want to continue living the free life with no worry of being terrorized, we have to fight for it now.

If the US goes to war. You can bet they wont be shoting innocent iraqies. Some will get caught in the crossfire but thats war. But the goal is to remove Hitler Jr from power. And control all the deadly weapons that he now possesses.

This UN weapons inspecter stuff is BS. I could hide weapons from these guys. Just bury them in the thousand kilomiters of dessert that iraq has.

stickin up for gore/clinton you should re think that stance.
what country called clinton and said we have osama? what did clinton do? trew a couple of bombs around!
as for bush sr. he couldnt go after sadam that was not the goal, keepin them out of kuwait was.
as far as i go with taken him out yes way back would of been nice!
I THINK ITS TIME FOR THE US TO DO IT, AND TAKE OVER THE OIL FOR THE HELL OF IT!
as for france and russia and the germs beat it when it hits the fan in your countrys dont call asking for help! you chose to deal with him and back him! and the real truth give him CREDIT!

Hitler jr :p

That is a joke

Hitler wanted to take over the world,and have one race

There are Christians in Iraq and they go to church just like North American Christians :)
:)
Once again Iraq is NOT a Fundelmentalist Muslim country aka IRAN Saudi Arabia :angry:

Now what are your stance on a Country that has threaten to use nuclear bombs and has them and has missilles capable of reach the west coast and has been testing them jsut as recently as 2 day ago?? ???

Millions of his people are die of famine ???

But then again North Korea does not have oil

Hitler wanted to take over the world,and have one race

If Saddam had the money, man power, and weapons. I wouldnt put it passed him. Why else would a country require some of the most dangerous weapons on the face of the earth.

Why is he supporting a terrorest training camp that produces deadly poisen that has no cure. The posien that they are creating (I forget what its called) But one little tad dropped into a drink or food will kill you in 74H no matter what.

Once this crap hits north america theres nothing we can do.

You better stop eating out and start growing your own food becasue thats the only real way to be safe from it.

The poison your talking about is called Ricen(sp?)
That toxin is made from beans and its been around for a long, long time.
Russia has used this toxin to kill people during the cold war in Europe and indeed it is very effective. KGB used to put a miniscule amount on the end of an umbrella and while casually walking along lightly poke there target with the tip of the umbrella and within no time the victim is dead. Rest assured many more countries have this type of toxin including the U.S.

I don't agree with attacking Iraq at this time, I have not seen any shread of proof that whatever weapons they do have know or not will be used against anyone. I think were being fed a complete pantload, and this whole war in Iraq is for 1 thing and 1 thing only OIL.
There are far more pressing issues on the world plate at this time including North Korea which HAS Nukes and I believe would sell or use them on anyone so I see no urgency to attack innocent people in Iraq without 100% proof.
North Korea has the missles right now that can hit the coast of the U.S. or Canada and this should be a far greater concern to everyone.
If your talking about Terrorism then I would think Saudia Arabia should be the first country to spill the beans. It was brough out that members of the Saudi Royal Family paid money to the terrorists that attacked the WTC , most of the attackers were Saudi and that country is a hotbed for extreamests just is Pakastan. Iraq has never been extreme, they are not hard core muslims like most on here seems to believe and like I said I've seen no proof of immediate threat so why not give the UN Inspectors more time?

Your right in one way. There is no proof of immediate threat so I say give them more time. But one way or an other saddam has to be kicked out of office.

North Korea may have nukes and be willing to sell them, But I bet saddam would be there first customer. This guy is just trouble all around. Most of these countries are in that region.

What its going to come down to, is any country not cooperating with the States is going to be controled with force. The US has this right. Becasue its there people that are falling and feeling threatend. As for us canadians. Well I only hope one of these shotty built nukes from korea dont lose an engine over canada and take us out as well.

This is a world problem. The UN just paints it out to be a US problem.

The only BS we have been fed is from our own libiral goverment. I dont know why hes even talking. He couldnt go to war even if he wanted to. Our only damm ship was just attacked this morning by our own kamakazi choppers falling apart and crashing into the ship. Its now returning to port. ;)

By the time are Canoe Navy reaches Iraq, They will be a democrocy and all the people there will be loving it. And they will only have the states to thank for. Once again.

Same goes for France. I bet there pretty happy there not all speaking german.

I fully support disarming Iraq by force. They have had 12 years to do it on their own. The UN has successfully demonstrated their inefectiveness and irrelevance to the world. Personally I'd like to see the US get out of the UN taking their dues and "police force" with us.

Any civillian blood thats spilled won't be on the hands of the US. And by the way I challange ANYONE to find another country engaged in any conflict that has more compassion and concern for the innocent civilians as the US does and demonstates. Any blood spilled will clearly be on the hands of Mr Hussein. His defiance to the cease fire prompted the sanctions which have ended up hurting his own people. He is allowed to sell certain oil for food and medician which does not reach his people.

BTW, it isn't about oil (for us anyway)..
Last year, France ranked No. 1 among European countries doing business with Iraq, with $1.5 billion in trade, followed by Italy, with $1 billion. Among the countries that trade with Iraq under the oil-for-food program, France ranked third, with $3.1 billion in trade since the program's start 1996. French trade under the program was surpassed only by Russia, with $4.3 billion, and Egypt, according to United Nations diplomats.

The French oil giant TotalFinaElf has the largest position in Iraq, with exclusive negotiating rights to develop Majnoon, a field on the Iranian border with estimated reserves of 10 billion barrels, and Bin Umar, with an estimated production potential of 440,000 barrels a day, according to oil industry executives.

I personally do not want to go to war at all currently i have 8 reletives and friends in kuwait or headed over there one who is a blackhawk helichopter crew cheif. So i deffiently dont want to go to war but if we do i wont be complaing because that will do no good so i will be supporting our troops 110%. And if they do reinstate the draft i wont be drafted because as soon as i get that card i will just say screw it and join the marines on my own. And as for the comment in the begining of these post about america minding their own business well i partially agree to an extent but not about Iraq. I agree about minding our own businees because if we wouldnt have given afghanastain all those weapons to fight Russia in the 70's? we wouldnt have had to worry at all about that country at all because the russian's would have blown that country straight to hell. But no we had to retaliate because the russians supplied the north vietnamiese during vietnam.

North Korea is going to get theirs, real soon

In due time, in due time.

I cant belive all the anti war crap going on.

Do people really think anyone wants a war.

No, off course not. But people dont seem to realize that Democrocy and freedom is somthing that has to be fought for and protected at any cost.

Some people obviously dont understand. Yes the US made mistakes in the past, and its comming back to haunt them now. But we are in it to deep to just back off and do nothing. Becasue they will, and make us pay for it.

Its time to pull out the steamroller and pave them.

I don't know where to start responding to this thread.

Machzzz, you can't belive all the antiwar crap going on? I can't believe how many people are pro war. It shocks and upsets me. It really makes me wonder what kind of sheep people are, that they can be lead around by half-truths and propaganda.

We have absolutly no business going into a soveriegn country and deposing their leader. If Saddam is not right for Iraq it is up to them to get him out of power.

As for "weapons of mass destruction", what a joke that is. Who has the most weapons of mass destruction? Why isn't the US getting rid of their weapons?

"UN backing means little help, but $$ toward reparations. SCREW reparation,,, CONQUER IRAQ! Gas ought to be about .33 a gallon by April! "

That about sums it up. The US is going in there for control of the oil fields, and nothing else. Everything else is just a convient excuse.

Even calling this a War is a joke. How can anyone call this a war. As someone pointed out earlier, more american soldiers were killed by friendly fire then by enemy fire in the last "war", and now Iraq has a diminished military and no resources. Shame I say! It's like Bruce Lee beating up a six year old and calling it a fight.

Even in Afganistan, when an american was killed by enemy fire MONTHS after the invasion, it was big news. They were calling it a war when the biggest danger was hotshot cowboy reservists dropping bombs on friendly troops involved in training missions.

Watching G W Bush is like watching a really bad B-movie. Every time I hear him I have to double check to see if it's Saturday Night Live doing a spoof, because I think "this guy CAN'T be for real".

As for the PM, thank God he's finally taking a stand against this maddness.

Sorry I let you stand alone for so long Freezerburnt. I really didn't want to look at this thread because I knew all the "YEAH!! LET'S GO GIT'UM!!!" comments would just p*ss me off. But you were right in your first post. As soon as they saw a post from someone who disagreed with them they started attacking you, and not your arguments.

I agree it's hard to start to address all these comments. Some of which hold water and some don't. Some inspired by hate, some inspired by propaganda and some inspired by intelect. Who's to say is right unless these foreign people were allowed to act out their plans. Have any of you seen anyone injured by chemical weapons in person. Not a very plesant sight. So should we as a world let people who we "think" or know are unstable, be in possession of such a weapon, knowing that they have those weapons and have used them in recent times. This can also be applied to terrorists and those people who support them. These people are cowards who are afraid to stand bare handed toe to toe and resolve their personal problems. Now a days we are in a better position to see what other people are doing or trying to do. Do you think the events that led to WW 2 would have been alowed to happen if the world were more involved in other peoples buiness as theyare today. It's a tough subject but we can only do what we can to protect the right's of other people reguardless of where they are.

Greg - That is the most intelligant response to this thread yet.

Thanks 800MXZ sometimes I even scare myself

Originally posted by paidncash@Feb 21 2003, 11:32 PM
Saddom needs to be removed from power, we should have done it in the Gulf War. War is never good but sometimes it's the only way. I'm behind President Bush 100%.
:withstupid: However we should be paying alot more attention to Nkorea as they have been getting very aggressive lately. It seems as though we are ignoring them :doh: I think ingoring them is a mistake.

NewfieBullet,

Attitudes like yours and Freezerburnt on this matter will only get us killed down the road.

Why should we wait for Iraq to build force and arm up to have a fair fight when he can be stopped right now with minimal losses.

Private partys have solid proof where Saddam has all his weapons. THese partys are telling the UN weapon inspectors where to go but they are not going to those sites. They are afraid of what they will find.

The UN is the only thing on this planit more corrupt then Saddam Hussain. All the photo evidence from the US has been backed up by private satalight imagry companies willing to take ground pictures for the paying public.

The Proof is there. The weapons are there. He needs to be stopped.


Say what you want about oil and such. But the Americans are going there to save both our ##### down the road. Saddam has the weapons, He will use them or sell them to Terrorists. Backing out of this might buy us some time but it will get us in the end.

I cant belive how people like you can sit on your pedistool telling all the American citizens on this site that there President is a Saturday Night Spoof when our PM is the worlds biggest Idiot. He has let down most of the Canadians by not backing our Best friends the US. 1000s and 1000s of people have been calling the US emmbasy to give a apology for his actions. However Bush is doing the right thing.

People like you forget why we can sit here on this site and talk freely. It is becasue our Fathers or Grandfathers Fought or lived thru 2 or more Major wars. Wars that were caused and allowed to continue for so long becasue of countrys staying out of trouble. These wars won us our freedom and safety and now when it is being challenged by Terrorists and Dictatiors which would like to see nothing more then all our heads on a platter. YOU want to sit this one out.

You better think hard and realize that no fight for us. Means easy victory for them.

Originally posted by Machzzzz1@Mar 5 2003, 01:12 PM


Why should we wait for Iraq to build force and arm up to have a fair fight when he can be stopped right now with minimal losses.



Americans are going there to save both our ##### down the road.


You better think hard and realize that no fight for us. Means easy victory for them.
First of all, there is no way that there will ever be a "fair fight"between a third world country and the only true world power. There will be no war, there will simply be an invasion.

Second of all, I feel alot more threatened by the US then I do by Iraq. The US government abuses it's power at every turn. They expect every other country to allow free entry to their products, while they remain the most protectionist trading partner on the planet. You only have to look to the soft-wood lumber dispute to see what I mean, but if you want me to I can give you many other examples. THey want free-trade when it suits them, and only when it suits them.

Yes, terrorism may be on the rise, and now we in North America may have to come up with ways to defend ourselves from it. But pretending that Iraq is a threat is a joke.

I'm willing to bet that you vote for Canadian Reform Alliance Party. If that's the case I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, because there are fundemental differences in our ways of thinking, and I've got no time for a party that wants to dismantle everything Canadians have worked for for aver a century just so some people can save some money on their income tax.

Second of all, I feel alot more threatened by the US then I do by Iraq. The US government abuses it's power at every turn. They expect every other country to allow free entry to their products, while they remain the most protectionist trading partner on the planet. You only have to look to the soft-wood lumber dispute to see what I mean, but if you want me to I can give you many other examples. THey want free-trade when it suits them, and only when it suits them.

Are we talking about wood and lumber disputes or Chemical, Nuclear, and biological warfare.

It sounds like you are bitter towards the states becasue of this wood and lumber dispute. You must work in forestation.

Well every county has to watch its bottom line just like a company. If free trade doesnt suit them then it doesnt suit them. They have no reason to continue with it just to please us. We should have other ways to save our own ###.

I've got no time for a party that wants to dismantle everything Canadians have worked for for aver a century just so some people can save some money on their income tax.

Dismantle what? Our Sea-king Choppers before they dismantle them selfs. The fact that canadians have worked for over a century to live the way we do, and to have the most pathetic PM in power for 3 or more terms is sicking. Look at the size of our Navy and Army. For a country as big as canada to defend itself with Canoes and under equiped soldiers is also a desgrace. I would join the Army and help against the battle of terrorizm but im afraid to go into battle equiped with a Flair and pitchfork.

I agree with you ont eh income tax part. This money is put to good use for the most part. It helps maintain our quality of living. But this is exactly why we need to stop Iraq and all his terrorist friends. IMO he would not hesitate to equip some terrorists with a nuke or chemical weapon. And this is exactly why he needs to be stopped.

Proof or no proof, Its obvious in my mind what his goals are and its a good think the President of the US is smart enough to fix the problem now.

As for making fun of Bush. I know when he talks he talks simple. But i like that. Why listen to some idiot talking like a politican. Bush sounds like one of the people worried about his familys ### as well as the next guy.

He has information we dont and knows stuff we dont. I trust him to make the right desisions.

As for voting Alliance. Well accually last election i was disapointed with the choices. All of them were idiots. Dammit we need Mike Harris to run for PM. He would fix this country up.

I agree with NewfieBullet on the free trade issue, but whoever thought Osama and his buddies could do the damage they done befor 911? Keeping that in mind and knowing Sadams history and connections do you honestly think that threats from Iraq is a joke? what if they can come up with a way to poison our enviorment? A few small planes with the proper chemicals could do a lot of damage to our forests and water supply. It's eaiser to get small planes than you think. To get control of the rising terrorism threats around the world we have to limit their resourses and if this means taking out a few leaders and their aids then so be it. Didn't someone once say the needs of the many outweigh the need of the few . I would like to see these people have a change of heart and put their resorses to more productive means and give their a better life rather than help make other people hate them. Build a house rather a bomb, grow food rather than destructive chemicals.

Originally posted by NewfieBullet@Mar 5 2003, 08:24 AM
Yes, terrorism may be on the rise, and now we in North America may have to come up with ways to defend ourselves from it. But pretending that Iraq is a threat is a joke.

You are correct, terrorism is on the rise and Iraq is not a threat. The threat is Sadam, not the civilians, and Sadam is the one we are after and the one that has to go. People say why shouldn't he be allowed to have weapons when we do along with several other countries? The answer is simple, becasue he will use them on anyone in the "Free World" or give them to terrorists and let them do his dirty work.
IMO NKorea is much more of a threat than Sadam at this time. I am hoping the thinking is that we can finish with sadam fast enough to shift our attention to Korea before they get to out of control. If Korea decides to make things tough though it will be no small feat dealing with them!

While I agree and disagree with just about everyones opinion here, in the name of terrorism I believe Sadam has to go.
I don't understand though why the U.S is rushing to go into Iraq and topple a somewhat subdued Hussien during a time when Inspectors there are doing a job they were asked to do by the UN.
Where's the smoking gun in the inspections? Show me one shread of proof that they have or can produce a nuclear weapon on a moments notice?
If the UN finds them then I am all for the saying "lets go" but if nothing come up then whats the rush? Saddam is being watched like a hawk, he probably can;t even throw a dump without some secret satellite tracking his moves so I don't understand the hurry to war.
Do you people actually think the UN isn't concerned with the so called weapons of mass destruction? Who in there right mind wouldn't be?
Every member of the UN is entitled to there opinions and stands on what is happening on the world stage regardless of weather you agree with it or not. Are we as a collective group supposed to sit back and believe only one side of the story?
The UN was founded on the principal of interest in the world stage. Most groups are represented buy the perminate members and these are the people we have to believe are acting on everyones best interests, After all it was agree upon in the begining of the UN that Veto power was an option to let cooler heads prevail.
With that being said, I don't like Terrorism anymore than anyone of the rest of you and I think its sick and disgusting that anyone should be afraid to go to work with the fear that they might not survive throughout the day because of some lame crackpot on a mission he thinks his the holy grail.
Is Saddam more of a threat then North Korea? Is he more of a threat than Osamma Bin Laden? Where the heck is Bin Laden? We were told over and over by Bush that Osamma would be caught and made to pay for what he staged during 911 but where is he now? How come we have not heard from Bush weather he is dead or alive?
I remember back 10 yrs. ago when Packistan tested there nuclear bombs out and at the time it was the end of the world..... all aid dropped, embargos imposed and traiding limited for those people but yet come 911 we need Packistan and everything that was imposed on them is now gone...... Where do you think they just caught the shake from?

Anyways.. enough of my rant, I can go on and on but I agree Saddam needs to go its just I see no reason to act in hurrly in haste unless there is an alterrior motive involved which I rightfully suspect there is.

It all comes down to this.

We can sit on our ##### and hope for peice. But in 30 years our Children or Childrens, children will have to go and fight a nuclear gorrila type war with a bunch of well equiped terrorists. Hopfully it will be on there land and not ours at that time.

I need a brush bar on my truck so i can run down the student protests going on. All they want is peace. Well I think everyone wants peace. But hello, your not going to get it by just sitting out. The only one that will get peace will be saddam as he walks over everyone.

As for voting Alliance. Well accually last election i was disapointed with the choices. All of them were idiots. Dammit we need Mike Harris to run for PM. He would fix this country up.
Mike Harris for PM thats all we need a nation wide Walkerton and more cuts to or health care system and while he's there he can give away all our highway's so someone else can make money on them

BarrieMachZ, you are a true voice of wisdom.

Greg, you're 100% right. Harris was like a misguided get-rich-quick Scheme. Slash and burn, and don't worry about the concequences because someone else will be in power then.

NEWFIEBULLET everyone has the right to voice there opinions,we in the US enjoy that' right' as well.however your statement about us being a bigger threat is way out of line..and very offensive as well.

I need a brush bar on my truck so i can run down the student protests going on. All they want is peace. Well I think everyone wants peace. But hello, your not going to get it by just sitting out. The only one that will get peace will be saddam as he walks over everyone.
Machzzzz1 These student are entiteled to their opinion as well as you or I are ours. It's unfortunate that they don't understand that sometimes you need force to get peace. Ask them what would have happened if we didn't force Hitler down? Would we have to peal the funny-looking twisted cross off their forhead? A lot of people don't appreciate what it took to give them the right to say the things they say today. I served in the Canadian Forces during the latter part of the Cold War so I know what it took to try and keep the rights we take for granted today. I lost family, Friends, and good acquaintances fighting for and defending our freedoms. I'm not a warmonger but I do appreciate what other people lost so I could sit here and talk to other people with out fear of reprisals from twisted head of state. How come these students are out protesting shouldn't they be studing instead of wasting their parents money? Some people worry about things they don't fully understand. Remember the Serenity Prayer?
Everyone take a moment of thought for the Men & Women of our services and for what they may have to face to help keep us free. TTFN Greg

Originally posted by FreezerBurnt@Feb 23 2003, 12:32 AM
Saddam is NOT OSAMA

It funny to see you guys all happy about getting your own troops killed for nothing but oil

Go after Osama NOT Saddam

This war talk is pissing me OFF :cussing:

Nothing but racist comments and ignorance

Yes Saddam killed his OWN people,

Bush is jus adding propoganda and using 9/11 to fear monger us!!!!!!!!!

The USA is just looking for trouble

I would not be surprised if this causes more 9/11(let hope not)but the US is poke the Hornets nest.

I am ANTI WAR

but of course some will attack my views :doh:
It funny to see you guys all happy about getting your own troops killed for nothing but oil.

read this : IT"S NOT ABOUT THE OIL.

: http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/sto...F-4EF03B6C3B62} (http://www.nationalpost.com/commentary/story.html?id={ACF36E97-7979-4FA6-B59F-4EF03B6C3B62})

Interesting read there Snowflake but I still have to disagree.
It seems the whole article is made only to discredit someone by the name of Michele Landsberg..... who the heck is Michele Landsberg?
I have my point of view on the Afghanistan pipeline and I am more than willing to bet the reason the pipeline is not there is because of turmoil over who is actually in command in Afghanistan.
Lets get one thing straight about Afghanistan, this is a country that is made up of different ethnic origins and each tries to have there piece of cake and eat it to. Warloards abound this country and at the present time it is very unstable. I took notice that the article did indeed state that many people are ready and willing to get the gas line in including Turkmenistan, Afghanistan and Pakistan but they to want there cake because they will only do it with outside interests money.. hence they want to eat the cake too. What private company would fork over a few billion dollars to and area for a pipeline that could be sabataged or blown up at anytime by any freak that has some sort of vendeta?
To me this is not good business practice......... so that part of the authors claims are redundant.... and speaking of the author who is it N-E Ways?..... I see no name on the editorial as to who wrote this in the first place?... why not??
The last I know it was Germany that is running the show over there and a missle blew up part of there command the first day they took over the post...... Yeee Hawww...... Lets go spend a few billion smackers for nothing. Rest assured when Afghanistan get setteled down there will be a gas pipeline but not under this type of risk.

Now are far as the Iraq oil goes this is a big deal. Taking control of a huge oil reserve suddenly makes you a HUGE player in the world market and with that come dictation on pricing and a guarentee if supply for many years to come so I'll tell you again this IS about OIL.
Going into a conflict right now by a group of people who dodged the draft and think its ok to send others out to be killed is not correct, Lets have the solid proof that the inspections are NOT working then lets make the war decision at the appropiate time.

Oil is the blood of our economy. And the fact that Saddam ordered his men to ignite the oil in kuwait is reason enough to kill him. He polluted half of the earth with that stunt.

Its not about the oil guys. Its about safety. Oil is just a plus.

Rumors on talk radio is that they may have caught that bast@#$ Osama I heard about it all day but no conformation yet. If we go after Saddam we better go all the way and take him out I heard his sons are as bad as him so take them out also. My cousin is in Mexico right now for spring break I hope if they have a war it wont make it hard for him to come home.

Guys...whatever our differences are, wheather we disagree with it or not, I just hope all of us can come together and be with each other through all this. It's going to happen, we all know it...it's just a matter of time.

Hey Dobie, I hope your cousin makes it hope just fine!


GOD BLESS EVERYONE!!!!!!!!

Thanks Midnight! :D

Hey Machzzz... Maybe the US should take over the whole world... Then they wouldn't feel threatened and they would have all the oil... You sound very greedy in you posts on this topic.

I don't think you can beleive everything that the US says. They bull#### everything. The other day I saw a commercial that was advertasing tax refunds if you let them go to war. Whats with that? They do anything for the all mighty dollar. Did the US really make it to the moon first? Yeah its off topic. But my point is that they bull#### you. Who knows if those satalitte images years ago wernt actually doctored?

Who is America to say that they have to get rid of all their weapons? Not to say they shouldnt, but look who this is coming from...

I'm not anti-war. I dont really even have an opinion on going or not. And I'm just a kid and dont know ####. But heres what I think

Originally posted by OLEO@Mar 7 2003, 04:43 PM
Who is America to say that they have to get rid of all their weapons? Not to say they shouldnt, but look who this is coming from...
Well, its actually coming from the Security Council. Not to mention the UN agreements made 12 years ago.


I think the simple facts are that "closing our eyes and praying that nothing bad will happen to our countries" is just nieve.

Sadam is a Terriorist. Its a fact. So is Osama. They both need to be taken out, along with their supporters.

If you don't want the rabid dog in the neighbourhood to hurt any kids, you have two choices. Kill him, or cage him.

Its that simple. WAKE UP PEOPLE. Nobody wants war, but sometimes its better than the alternative. Whether you agree or not (and many of you won't) I truly hope we don't have to find out what happens if we do it your way.

its like george bush said...the price of inaction is far greater than the price of action....he is right,there are people who hate the thought of freedom,the u.s did nothing to deserve 9/11,it will happen again unless something is done,to many people are against the u.s,where were these protesters when THE SOVIET UNION GASSED THE TERRORISTS,and ended up killing many civilians in the theatre?terrorists are cowards as they hide amongst civilians,they know there will be an outcry for innocent lives lost,thats why they hide with them...im glad the states is not going to be pushed around...and france is a joke..

so I'll tell you again this IS about OIL.

barriemachz : i am so sick of listening to people like you that tell
us it's about the oil. when the war is over. i would like to here your
know it all comments then. i would like to know your proof it's about
the oil. do you have any concrete info on this. if not then your your
comments are just your feeling's. you seem to be very hostile to the
USA for some reason. you can't just take a president out of a country
and take there oil over. think about it. this is how you think about the
USA. you need to look up some info about iraq and saddam before
you start bad mouthing the USA. why would anybody need that
many chemicals unless he was going to use them on someone.
it might not be us but it will be someone.

everyone balked at Franklin D Roosevelt for saying hitler was a whacko and that the USA should intervene that man before he does something that causes big trouble. he didn't till it was almost too late.

but we did didn't we ay

You people can't be so nieve as to think that invading Iraq will some how magically put an end to terrorism. If anything, the US going in there without UN sanction will increase terrorism for years and years to come.

I'm starting to think that most of you don't even understand why there so many people out there that don't like the US. Do you think this is going to help?

And before you smart A$$e$ say that you don't care what a bunch of third world countries think of the US, try and remember why Bush says he wants to invade Iraq in the first place...to prevent further terrorist attacks on the US.

Terrorists are rarely in power. They are usually the underdog. They usually have secrective networks, and can move from one place to another, and blend in with the general public. You simply can't stop terrorism by invading another country.

Originally posted by NewfieBullet@Mar 7 2003, 08:54 PM
You people can't be so nieve as to think that invading Iraq will some how magically put an end to terrorism. If anything, the US going in there without UN sanction will increase terrorism for years and years to come.

I'm starting to think that most of you don't even understand why there so many people out there that don't like the US. Do you think this is going to help?

And before you smart A$$e$ say that you don't care what a bunch of third world countries think of the US, try and remember why Bush says he wants to invade Iraq in the first place...to prevent further terrorist attacks on the US.

Terrorists are rarely in power. They are usually the underdog. They usually have secrective networks, and can move from one place to another, and blend in with the general public. You simply can't stop terrorism by invading another country.
No, I don't think that invading Iraq will rid the world of terrorists, but it will stop the threat of terrorism from Iraq and stop Sadaam from giving bio and chem weapons to other terrorists. Sure there is going to be other threats but with Sadaam out of the picture that's one less place we have to worry about.

removing saddam will not stop terrorism,but it will eliminate the possibility of him selling a weapon to some terrorist group,dont forget he pays HOMICIDE bombers familys cash for killing isreal citizens,that alone is reason to eliminate him,now imagine on 9/11 if the hijackers had a jar of vx poison,or anthrax,or even smallpox and that it was spread into the air when the planes crashed..unless something is done it will happen eventually..its good to show terrorists that from now on they will be pursued at all costs.

After reading this thread, it is interesting to get a Canadian perspective. It seems that many of you who disagree with removing Sadam also have contempt for President Bush.

Thank God the leaders of Canada are not in charge of a superpower like the U.S. I bet if 9-11 happened on Canadian soil, those Canadians who disagree with Bush's policy would have a different opinion. I'm glad to see the support from those Canadians who have the foresight to understand the problem of Sadam Hussein and know not to put it off any longer.

Those that attempt to make the argument of oil being the objective only make themselves look foolish. Time to give it a rest. It has been easily refuted time and time again.

Our national security depends on getting rid of Sadam and Al Queda. Our economy depends on our national security (9-11 proved that!). Canada depends on our economy. Think that over a little before ripping the Bush administration's foreign policy.

By the way, didn't most of the hijackers come through Canada to the U.S.? We could use a little help keeping these nasty little fellas out of our country. Mexico sure isn't helping to seal the border.

Hey SDLawndawg Not all of us have contemp for Bush or disagree with removing Sadam or any one else who harbors, protects, supports or encourages terrorism reguardless of it's origin. It is unfortunate we have to cause a lot of damage to put these people out of business. I would like to see a surgical strike if at all possible to remove these people rather than go in and pave a whole country as some people have sugested. And yes I beleive Bush has the right to try and prevent these people from causing harm to your country. Some people would be singing a different tune if Osma decided to hit Canadian targets as well during the 911 tragedy. Bringing up past events ( WW 2 etc. ) don't nessarly reflect the current events of today, other people were in power during these events. I know what it means to lose someone in conflicts arround the world. I served in the CAF during the latter part of the Cold War, I did my part for my country . What have these people done for their country in the past or lately becides wine about what other people are trying to do. Some people try to do the best they can with what they have. I think there are three types of people in the world . 1-Those that make things happen. 2- Those that watch things happen. 3- Those that stand arround and wonder what the f--- just happened. And these groups can be further subdivided into two groups 1- Those that know . 2- Those that think they know. Where do you fit But opinions are like #######s , everybodys got one.

Originally posted by SDlawndawg@Mar 8 2003, 03:38 AM


By the way, didn't most of the hijackers come through Canada to the U.S.? We could use a little help keeping these nasty little fellas out of our country. Mexico sure isn't helping to seal the border.
No, none of them did. THat was speculation immediatly after the fact, and people were trying to come to grips with what happened.
They did have some ties with people living in Canada, but they were all living in the states, and had taken their flying lessons there.

Originally posted by NewfieBullet+Mar 8 2003, 06:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (NewfieBullet @ Mar 8 2003, 06:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--SDlawndawg@Mar 8 2003, 03:38 AM


By the way, didn&#39;t most of the hijackers come through Canada to the U.S.?* We could use a little help keeping these nasty little fellas out of our country.* Mexico sure isn&#39;t helping to seal the border.
No, none of them did. THat was speculation immediatly after the fact, and people were trying to come to grips with what happened.
They did have some ties with people living in Canada, but they were all living in the states, and had taken their flying lessons there. [/b][/quote]
I am pretty sure you are wrong with that statement... They were caught on camera at a small airport in northern Maine taking a shuttle flight to boston after they crossed the border from Canada.

Originally posted by REV800X+Mar 8 2003, 07:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (REV800X @ Mar 8 2003, 07:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--NewfieBullet@Mar 8 2003, 06:07 AM

No, none of them did. THat was speculation immediatly after the fact, and people were trying to come to grips with what happened.
They did have some ties with people living in Canada, but they were all living in the states, and had taken their flying lessons there.
I am pretty sure you are wrong with that statement... They were caught on camera at a small airport in northern Maine taking a shuttle flight to boston after they crossed the border from Canada. [/b][/quote]
I was also under the impression that they didn&#39;t come through from Canada, but even if they did, that means that they went through U.S. customs, of which Canadians obviously have no control over.

One common arguement that keeps coming up is that no-one wants to see weapons or training being provided for terrorists. The term "terrorists" depends on which side of the table you are sitting on, and the middle eastern countries are by no means the only countries to train and provide arms for groups that would be called "terrorists" by the innocent civilians taken out by them.

El Salvador in the &#39;80&#39;s is a good example.

It&#39;s not confirmed. After doing a search, I have found that it is assumed that some of the terrorists did come through the Canadian border but it cannot be confirmed.

I get frustrated with Canada, Mexico and our own border security. The politicians don&#39;t want to restrict our border with Mexico because that costs them mucho votes. I strongly disagree with Bush on this point. I say we need the military on our borders. I have no problem with people coming to our country, but they should provide their background information and criminal record if any. We need to weed out the bad guys.

Gregobbins- If you reread my post, I never said all Canadians have contempt for Bush.

Snowflake, Your right it is my opinion and I am more than entitled to voice it.
Your the person that posted the article from the National Post and I was responding to it. If you can&#39;t handle or comprehend a reply then keep your hands off the keyboard.
I&#39;m am NOT anti USA...... I have many relatives that live in the U.S. and I see thousands of Americans on vacation sledding and fishing here all year around so turning this post into a Canada Vs. USA is pretty lame and Moot.
As far as the Hijackers on 911, they didn&#39;t go thru Canada to the US but thats besides the point. Any Terrorist could go from the US to Canada or vise-versa because Customs does not check who is leaving only who is arriving.

People think that by getting rid of Hussein they will get rid of terrorism, and they will stop the human rights attrocities that happen against his own people. So often we take the knee-jerk reaction to jump in when we hear of these abuses.

In the &#39;80&#39;s the U.S. backed the government army in El Salvador against the leftist guerrillas. These U.S. backed troops burned down a church killing 25 people inside, 23 of them children. This was one of many attacks over civilians, but the U.S. continued their support until they viscously raped and murdered 4 American nuns. The U.S. government stopped their support at this time, but reinstated it three weeks later.

In Afghanistan last year our combined forces went in and trashed the Taliban. We felt we needed a target after 911 and if Bin Laden wasn&#39;t a country to attack, Afghanistan was the next best thing. I think we all felt we were doing them a favour by getting rid of such a fundamentalist regime that treated their own people so badly. Now I read in the paper the latest UN report released this week: "Intimidation and violence against women continue unabated in a post-Taliban Afghanistan. Although Afghan women returned to work after the fall of the Taliban, they continue to be forced into marriages and fall victim to domestic violence, kidnapping and harassment. The report cited incidents of self-immolations (a deliberate and willing sacrifice of oneself often by fire) by women to escape domestic violence and forced marriages, sometimes at young ages."

I guess my point if that a group of people, "A", is committing attrocities against group "B" and the civilians caught in the middle, so we back group "B" (usually because it benefits us in some way), then group "B" turns around and commits the same attrocities against group "A" and the civilians caught in the middle. We see this over and over again in different countries.

I don&#39;t pretend to know the answers as to what to do, (if I did I wouldn&#39;t be a lowly blue collar worker) but obviously what we&#39;ve been doing isn&#39;t working.

that means that they went through U.S. customs, of which Canadians obviously have no control over.


they had to get into canada didn&#39;t they. OBVIOUSLY you do have control of who comes into canada don&#39;t you.

Originally posted by snowflake@Mar 8 2003, 09:59 PM
that means that they went through U.S. customs, of which Canadians obviously have no control over.


they had to get into canada didn&#39;t they. OBVIOUSLY you do have control of who comes into canada don&#39;t you.
So I guess that would mean that both Canadian and U.S. customs are useless against stopping these people from getting in.

Originally posted by snowflake@Mar 9 2003, 02:59 AM
that means that they went through U.S. customs, of which Canadians obviously have no control over.


they had to get into canada didn&#39;t they. OBVIOUSLY you do have control of who comes into canada don&#39;t you.
Once again they did not enter the US through Canada!!!!

This was speculation that arose immediatly after the attacks as Americans tried to make sense of what had happened and understandably were trying to find someone to blame. It was proved false within weeks. Get it through your thick skull, and stop spreading lies.

LOCK THIS THREAD ALREADY

WHY ARE YOU MODERATORS KEEPING IT GOING???

i AM GETTING :cussing: MAD

I AM SORRY BUT SOME PEOPLE WILL BEAT THE SAME BUSH(no pun)OVER AND OVER AGAIN

The Terrorist did NOT come through Canada GET that through your heads

I am glad to see others with the same views as mine on the war front but some here continually cast us as Anti American and that is far from the truth

To further Jacqui&#39;s point :)

Who supplied Saddam with Nuke Tech???

Who supplied him with bio/chemical weapons???

Yup the US Government!!! :angry:

Who supplied and trained Osama??

Yup the Us Government!!! :angry:

That is not Anti USA that is Anti US government propaganda

LOCK THIS THREAD ALREADY Hey SDlawndawg I reread your post. I Stand Corrected. Hope you didn&#39;t take offence. There are many points to consider . Can anybody predict what will happen if we go in or if we let things run their course. There is good and bad in everything we do . We have to decide which action will create more good than bad in the short but more importaintly the long run. It&#39;s OK if people don&#39;t like what&#39;s being said here. I personally enjoy other people&#39;s point of views. If I didn&#39;t then I wouldn&#39;t continue to read these posts. There are plenty of other interesting things to read on this site . I for one don&#39;t read them all if I find them too drawn out, uninteresting or offenceive. So let&#39;s let people speak their peace, isn&#39;t what these two countries pride ourselves on?

Well, this has gone on long enough, Locked until further notice.