Died 2/15/03 rip Reminds me of 1999 zr700 or the best cat screw up the 1996 zrt 600 How many dead cats does it take before you by a skidoo Oh come on just bored kidin around see ya at the lake

I think I would give first place to the 98 ZR600 for most troublesome. I don't know what it will take to get Cat to stop releasing products before they are ready and proven. Every sled company does it to an extent, but Cat seems to be the worst.

IS THERE SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE 96 ZRT 600. THAT SLED WAS AN AWESOME STOCK MACHINE W/ EST 118-120 HP AND HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANY MAJOR PROBLEMS PLEASE FILL ME IN.ALL THE 600 ZERTS I RIDE WITH RIP. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW OF PROBLEMS SO I CAN MAKE THEM AWARE OF WHAT TO LOOK FOR!! THANX :p

Originally posted by 97cougar@Feb 24 2003, 02:48 PM
IS THERE SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE 96 ZRT 600. THAT SLED WAS AN AWESOME STOCK MACHINE W/ EST 118-120 HP AND HAVE NEVER HEARD OF ANY MAJOR PROBLEMS PLEASE FILL ME IN.ALL THE 600 ZERTS I RIDE WITH RIP. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW OF PROBLEMS SO I CAN MAKE THEM AWARE OF WHAT TO LOOK FOR!! THANX :p
The 96 had 125hp and the only major thing wrong with them was the motor mount. :withstupid: :withstupid:

i bleed green and always will love cats. i am too getting ticked off at the firecat problems. thats certianly gonna hurt there sales next yr. I guess its a gamble buying something new on the market.

thanx arcticcatzrt for the info.did it really have 125 stock? thats impressive,motor mounts i will make my buddies aware of>

SORRY ARCTICZRT600 ABOUT MAKING UP SOME OTHER NAME FOR YOU!!! :withstupid:

How many of these juvenile threads do we have to have on this forum? All brands break down.

Exaclty my thoughts OntRider

Originally posted by OntRider@Feb 24 2003, 03:18 PM
How many of these juvenile threads do we have to have on this forum? All brands break down.
I agree. Once again, I didn't even open this thread for a while due to it's foolish title. But the boards are a little slow today so I figured "what the heck" and took a look. Well, I should have stuck to my initial decision. I'm tired of "the RX-1 this, the REV that, and the F7 this"......I guess the guys that start these kind of threads have never heard the saying, "nothing ventured, nothing gained," and are soon to forget the problems that their favorite brand has had over the years. Take the number of units sold of either one of these models against the number of units with problems, and I bet the % will be minimal. I mean really, what good does a post like this serve?? If you can post some informative info for owners of these sleds, that's one thing. But usually it is the result of some type of jealousy. This thread is in the same category as the "fastest sled" and "top speed" topics. Allright, I'll stop rambling now...wish I never looked in here. :doh:

Originally posted by DamageInc@Feb 24 2003, 11:46 AM
I think I would give first place to the 98 ZR600 for most troublesome.
the 98 zr 600 is an awesome sled after you get the engine fixed then after that no problems

Originally posted by OntRider@Feb 24 2003, 04:18 PM
How many of these juvenile threads do we have to have on this forum? All brands break down.
I agree also. It's nothing more that other brand riders coming in to start ####. And yes, 97cougar the 96 had 125hp :D but they changed the pipes in 97 and went down to 118hp. ??? :(

A post like this would be ok if he stated why it went down so others could learn from what happened. IMHO

:withstupid: :withstupid: :withstupid: Jim, I totally agree with you. This is getting a little old. What I really get a kick out of is people complaining about something they don't even own. My Brother bought the F7 and it has almost 1,000 Trouble Free Miles. Only problem with the sled is that it is WICKED FAST!!!!!!!!! I spent this past weekend on it and I think my arms are longer now then before. Give up the complaining guys, it is getting very very old!

Well we put about another 150miles on this weekend putting mine at 1050 problem free miles and my bros at 450 prob free miles. We both absolutely love them and this weekend we switched around a little and everyone that road one of our fcats in our group fell in love. I think the dealer well be getting a quite a few orders for next year.

First ride on one tonight before I spend 7100.00 big ones.I now know why all the controversy...........It is unlike any sled I have ever been on!Never has their been a sled like this out of the crate!If you don't own one or have not rode one then how can you know?

Just my opinion....As i read all the different replys on the f7subject there always seeme to be someone ready to bash.I have 1,100 trouble free miles on my F7. I have owned a lot of cats over the years.(and only cats I might add) It seemed that every year they came out with a new high performance sled and I bought it. And every year there were people complaining about problems. I don't know if they are riding them way too hard, or not maintaining them properly, but knock on wood I never seem to have had one major problems with any of the sleds i've owned. And I am always in the front of the pack with the rest trying to keep up. For what it's worth, I would buy 10 more firecats!!! In relation to the oil pump problem, I am told by a very good dealer,out of Arlington Hieghts Illinois, that they are not recalling the oil pumps, but are having the dealers readjust the linkage that actuates the oil pump. Other then that they are fixing all other minor problems and giving owners 100 cat cash and a free gallon of oil.....You gotta like that.....CAT"S RULE!!!!! :cussing: SWRules

I have had cats myself since a putted around on a kitty cat. I think that its more then possible that a few riders are beating them up and its a good point. I think its also true that stuff happens and theres nothing we can do. Every brand has there bad egg. 1600 miles on my pantera and I have replaced a piston, bent an exchanger (fault of loose track bolt that was fixed 3x), and the newest problem a snapped driveshaft that totals $280 of parts. I really hate this machine but not when i ride it. We dont like to spend 6-9 grand on something we can watch collect dust in our garage like mine is doing right now especially when it snowed 22 inches last monday, but i will ride cats till i die and ill curse and kick them when there down... just the way it is

Originally posted by junior+Feb 24 2003, 05:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (junior @ Feb 24 2003, 05:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--DamageInc@Feb 24 2003, 11:46 AM
I think I would give first place to the 98 ZR600 for most troublesome.
the 98 zr 600 is an awesome sled after you get the engine fixed then after that no problems [/b][/quote]
Even after the recall on pistons and cylinders, there were many other well known problems, but especially broken cranks (later years supposedly have a stiffer crankcase which allows less flex), and burnt stators. Yes, lots of Cats have stators go out, but 98 600&#39;s have more than normal.

Anyone who knocks the &#39;96 Zert as one of Cat&#39;s worst is grossly mis-informed. Outside of the motor mounts, any other issues that sled had (clutching, pipe seal) were minor.

Im just wondering. For those of you that have 1000+ miles on your F7 and now have to bring it in for the oil pump adjustment, how can you be sure your machine is not damaged from the 1000+ miles you put on it with poor oil pump setting.

Sure its getting oil now but maybe the rings, pistons, crank bearings are shot or close to.

If it was my machine I would want a new engine in my sled Period. You dont spend 10000.00 on a sled only to have rebuilds and low oil settings.

When I got my Mach, right off the bat I had a coolent leak comming from the oring head seal. It turned out to be a dealer error seems that the mech was to lazy to take the pipes off to properly torque the head so he only torqued the to that were open.

Well I broght the machine back there and they pulled an engine out of an other mach in the show room and put it in mine.

This is what Cat should be doing, forget the $100.00 gift and free Dino oil.

Mr. Machzzz1,just making an observation but you sure do spend alot of time in the Cat forum.Come on , I dare you to ride an F7 just one time!Betchya you&#39;ll be impressed.I have rode both and I&#39;m buyin&#39; an F7 although I would ride a Mach.They are all good.Just an observation sir.

Hey Babber,

Very good observation of theMachzzzzz1 character. ;)

He once again reminds me of the little ditty I posted a few days ago;


Those that can, ride....

Those that can&#39;t, post....


As Perry Mason was found of saying...."I rest my case" :devil:

Skip

Those that can, ride....

Those that can&#39;t, post....


What do you call people that can do both? ;) Ive got close to 5000km on my Mach this year and 4000km on my REV. Ive run accross all of southern Ontario this year in One day. Thats close to 1000km. I guess multi tasking such as riding on weekends and posting during the week is to much for you guys to handle.

Second of all, Ive ridden the F7. Guess what, after riding a REV I wasnt that impressed. The ride isnt as good. The fit and finish is far from skidoos, and the handling absolutly sucked compaired to the REV. This IMO so dont get mad. I dont bash other brands.

My post above about the F7 motor is not a bash or a slam on artic cat. Just an observation ive made over the years of sledding. Engines with out oil tend to break. ??? Weather its skidoo, Cat, Yamaha, or Polaris. if I bought a sled, drove it for 1000miles only to find that the oil pump was set to low, it would have me very worried. Warrenty will be up in one year and rebuilds and labor are expencive regardless of the brand.

Im just saying that 100 bucks may look good now, but when your engine cooks next year after warrenty has expired you can take that 100 bucks and wipe your ### with it.


Very good observation of the Machzzzzz1 character

There are obvious reasons why both of you are not detectives. You are not very observent. For one. THis is like my second or third post in the cat forum in awhile. Third, I didnt know the cat forum was off limits to people that dont own cats.

AND Lastly, Both of you know nothing about me, Sure I talk a big game on the net, but bashing or wishing bad on people is not me at all. I help people on the trail and love to make everyone happy. I dont really care what other people are driving, as long as im happy with what im driving. I just dont like it when people BS about facts.

So with all that being said, Take my advice and when your bringin your F7 in for oil pump adjustment or for a blown motor becasue you didnt get adjusted in time. Push for a new motor. That is what Cat owes you for there mistake.

Skidoo did this with me for my Mach Z and are doing it with the 800 twins that have failed this year.

IMO manufactors only have problems if they dont fix them right.

One word comes to mind when I see your posts:

BLOWHARD.....(Every site has one)

nuff said - feel free to e-mail a moderator and whine that I picked on you, God knows you appear to have enough time on your hands to do so,

Skip

Thats cool with me Plxnbury. You can pick on me all day long.

It doesnt suprize me that only one word came to your mind after reading a post with many but thats an other story isnt it.

I come here to talk about sleds, Not get personal and offend people.

But hey, its your loss.

I am also tired of all these stupid posts on the F7...
some people say its having problems because of poor R&D from cat, But did we forget that this sled was sno crossed last year and big changes were made??
What bashers are not seeing here is that we have the latest and greatest 700 to ever hit the snow...It was released to the consumer who is more times than not on the ignorant side...When I say ignorant I am reffering to the fact that people get on a sled an squeeze it to the bar with no miles or a cold engine..
This is a race sled with a very complex cooling system and tight tolerances that has to be looked after... The most guilty of ignorance are the dealers who for years have done sloppy PDI&#39;s and have gotten away with it.. The dealers should have been educated in all aspects of pre delivery inspections since the market has never seen such an advanced engineering marvell such as the F7..
Other OEM&#39;s seem to run with the same engine every year and make small tweaks and call it an HO or some other silly name... By rights if you were to use the same old engine year after year you had better get it a 100%..but some still fail to do so and there is no excuse for that..
The F7 is the fastest sled this year hands down...some may disagree and claim they have a faster sled but it always takes more cc&#39;s to beat the F7..If you have to go to the races with an 800 tripple or even a twin to beat up on an F7 than thats weak and that person should be re-evaluating the situation... After all when I was in grade 8 I would never go bragging that I beat up a grade 7 kid, But thats what most are doing here..

Read the post sled head. Nobodys talking about racing here.

Yes the F7 is by far the fastest 700 any manufactor has come out with, Yes it runs with 800s but so does the 600HO REV. But thats not the issue at hand.

This is a race sled with a very complex cooling system and tight tolerances that has to be looked after

Please sled head. Complex cooling system and tight tolerances. What makes it so complex and what proof do you have about the tight tolerances. IMO this engine is of a diffrent design but cooling and tolerances are just the same as most 2 stroke engines found in sleds today. However you made my point. Since you claim that the F7 is so complex and tight, how will it handle 1000miles with a low oil pump setting. Only to have it turned up after the possible damage has been done. I aint bashing arctic cat. All motors need oil. I just think that cat should be putting in new motors for peopel that had them blow and guys that did recive poor PDI.

You want to talk about complex motors. Go take a look at skidoos Rotary Valved motors. IMO the most complex 2 stroke motor ever built. Yet most reliable and great in power. Its a damm shame they stopped making them. Hopfully they will make a return.


You want to talk about racing sled head. :D Go start a post about that and ill fill you in on how the REV is holding its own in snowcross and hillcross. The two sports that the F7 was accually designed for.

By your reply you just proved that you really dont know anything..lol

Prove me wrong sled head.

Ive seen cutaways of the F7 motor at shows. Theres nothing special going on there.

I dont know the specs on the motor but i bet you dont either. So dont fill my ears with crap about tolerances and complex cooling systems.

I obviosly know more than you...lol. Do you wnt me to fax you a copy of the racing hand book??

I&#39;AM NOT HERE TO JUMP IN AND TICK ANY BODY OFF.BUT MACHZZZZZ THAT 600 HO REV CAN&#39;T KEEP UP WITH ANY 800 ON THE MARKET,THAT I HAVE SEEN YET!! JUST MY.02

BUT BUT BUT..you dont live in MachZZZ1&#39;s world...lol

Originally posted by sled-head@Feb 25 2003, 09:23 AM
I obviosly know more than you...lol. Do you wnt me to fax you a copy of the racing hand book??
I thought that might shut you up.. I also have the hand book for 01-DOO 800&#39;s......Dare to compare tolerances...lol

Sled-Head,

You&#39;re arguing with a guy that&#39;s an expert at everything, master at none. 3000+ plus posts of greatness....sounds like a lonely individual with a computer his only attachment to the outside world. Actually feel kind of sorry for him (or her) - NOT.... :hallo1:

To paraphrase an old quote:

Never has one person...
Said so much...
About so little...

And if you don&#39;t believe it, just wait a minute.....he&#39;ll tell us (once again proving my point)....

Skip

Thank you. I think that is one of the funniest things I have read in a long time :D

No, thank you for the compliment.

I have beat this "horse" to death, but imagine this if you will.....

A lonely 17 year old kid. Thick glasses and a face full of pimples. Divorced parents. Living with mom in a small apartment. Alone in a small and dark bedroom knee deep in SnoTech magazines and a bunch of Ski-Doo promotional literature. And the only bright spot in the room? Why yes, a computer monitor with SnowmobileWorld.com burned permanently into the upper left corner. A chubby little index finger poised above the keyboard, preparing to strike the "add reply" button for the 3000+ time......

Get the picture? :hallo1:

Skip
(my last post on this subject...)

LMAO...stop it your killing me :D

Common sled head, Post the piston to cylinder clearence then. I would be very suprized if its anything less then 0.04 or .05mm.

And im still waiting to be filled on on this complex cooling system that you claim the firecat has.

800 REVs are beating F7. MachZ are beating F7s, The odd REV 600HO is holding with 800REVs so you do the math.

plxnbury:

Common man, making fun of me just to impress SledHead. Now you have me laughing. The two of you need to get your own room.

I also think the funniest part about the F7 is that the only thing people talk about is how great it is at drag races. But neglect to mention that the rev cleans it in every other aspect of the sport.

That is kinda funny. lol

all i have to say about the 96 zrt&#39;s is they are one KICK A** SLED, i bought one this year with 2500 miles on it and have taken many sleds in flat runs, the only sled I that seems to blow me out of the water is a F7, now, I WANT ONE!!!!!

I will have to stand up for MACHZ all across the board ski-doo&#39;s have better tolerances through out the engine.

If you don&#39;t like the Firecat then go trade it in on a Polaris or Doo because I never see them on the trail dead. AH HA AHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhAHAha

ARCTICZRT600

I dont think that it was that funny.

I just came here to make a suggestion to F7 owners that they should press for a new engine because damage might have occured during that oil problem.

Then Plxnbury comes and starts slamming me becasue he doesnt seem to understand anything about the sport of snowmobiling and he knows hes safe behind his computer. If someone ever said somthing like that to me in person i would be spending the night in jail.

Plxnbury you want to be going around here making jokes at my expence, Go for it man, I cant stop you. If this is how you get your daily thrill then please. Go and act like an ***hole.

I may not be an expert in all makes and models and im not a master at anything nor did i ever claim to be. But one thing i can proudly say that I have never done in my 3000+ posts here is loose respect for any of the other memebers. I listen to everyone and argu fairly. Ive never gotten personal.

If you are refering to snocross ,Blair is a ##### and what ever he rides is going to win.If you are refering to hillcross,you are wrong there.If you are refering to real life and out on the trails, absolutely nothing is hanging with the F7&#39;s,Drags? Got ya beat there,so whats left Mr Machzzz1?

Originally posted by Machzzzz1@Feb 25 2003, 03:18 PM
I just came here to make a suggestion to F7 owners that they should press for a new engine because damage might have occured during that oil problem.


That&#39;s the way I saw Marty&#39;s post. Don&#39;t know why anyone had to get so personal with him on this one. I clearly see his point, and he was just trying to give someone an idea of what to think about down the road. Come on guys, let&#39;s not do this to each other!!

GROW UP OR THIS TOPIC WILL BE DELETED. :cussing: :cussing: DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A PERSONAL BASH THREAD