Wow,,, what a start to the day! ~LOL~ I was tail gunner of a 5 sled group today. I crindged as we drove close to a house while looking for off trail snow, instead of the gravel we were driving on in the road.

5 miles later, I stopped at a road crossing, and had a Pickup Truck right ON my bumper! I crossed the road, and ran the ditch for a mile or so,,,,

I ran out of ditch, and was prepareing to cross the road,,,, then THERE HE WAS!!!!! about 3 feet from me with his window rolled down, and YELLING at me to "PULL OVER",,,, *Whew* who was this guy?

He was a man with isssues,,,, and it seemed I was the guy to take it out on...

His first question was, "Why did you drive on my property!!??" Being I had been tailgunner all morning of a group of five,, I thought it might be useful to tell him I was sorry,,, but I was simply "following the leader of my group",,, I was so aware of this man's hostility that I left my helmet on,(Full Face),, I thought at the beginning he was wanting to fight! (Where were my buddies? a couple of miles ahead it seemed)

I talked apoligetically to the man for nearly 7 minutes before one of my buddies came to my rescue,,(By this time I'd taken my helmet off, and was trying to be very diplomatic to this irate man,, but being ready to slam his door on his leg if he opened it! (Did he have a gun?))

My friend came like the cavalry! ~LOL~ Once there he told the man he was sorry for the intrusion, and it wouldn't happen again,,,, but he didn't have any more time to debate it,,, as it was a great day to ride! ~LOL~

We rode onto main trail shortly from there,, and we watched over our shoulder all day! ~LOL~,,, we came home, 4 hours later,, detouring about 2 miles west of this guys house! ~L~ *Whew*

Hed be a fun one to come back and "buzz at 3 am" lol I dont condone that activity but some people just need to relax, lifes too short to get pissed about something of such little importance. Actually I feel for you I had a pissed off amish guy pointing a rifle at me back in 1994, we all thought the house was vacant..lol

i ran into a gut like that near Timmins ontario. this guy was flippin mad cause we crossed a small corner of his property due to lack of snow on the road (small detour to the trail) after a brief encounter we left so no fights would break. Some people just won't listen to any kind of reasoning. ???

That's for sure! ~L~

:withstupid: And you people wonder why we lose trails every year!!! Trespassing is never an option no matter what the snow conditions. Stay on the trail or stay home!!!!!

Easy Benson, easy.............

I think its Bullsh*t everyone can get messed up an a long run into strange trails and end up on somones backyard it has happend to me many times, and for people to get pissed over that or just having to cross the end of their beloved property is *dumb*, i only have one thing to say to those people, grow up and get a life! People find my trail and end up in my back yard lost all the time, and most of the time i will go out and talk to them if i see them. But to those people who are childish and generally pissed off with the world>>>>> :cussing: SWRules

Relax Benson780,
As Troll stated in his post he was sorry and the last guy in his group. I disagree that it's "people like you", no it's the people that would not stop to say they are sorry that gives us the problems!

We had a guy like that last spring in New Liskard! What a jerk! I was on the trail and there was a washout... so we moved over to the right a touch and ran the plowed field a bit... the guy was on the highway, he turned around and followed us for about a mile to an intersection. He started yelling at us and threatening to call the cops cause we rode on his plowed field. At that point I told him to easy up and relax a bit! At which point the guy lost it and got out of his truck. He starts ask me where I live... so I told him... he says how would you like it if I drove on your front lawn? I answered, well... if it was a plowed field... sure you could! lol Now buddy is pi$$ed and starts approaching my sled fast and tells me to take my lid off... so I stand up (6'4" 235lbs.) my buddy gets off his sled (6' 220lbs). The little farmer turned around and got in his truck! lol
And to top it off... he says he is going to report us... he is going to take down our registration numbers... he never did... guess his invisible pen and paper was misplaced.
Some people just need to take a real hard look at themselves, see if they are happy being a dumba$$.

It's not like we drove on this guys land for kicks! We were riding no more then 4 feet from the trail which was underwater. Some people!! ???

I crindged as we drove close to a house while looking for off trail snow, instead of the gravel we were driving on in the road. Well you did go on his property on purpose and that is tresspassing. I would be pissed to not to the point of fighting but still mad. It is the guys right to be mad if he wants it was his property. It is good that you said sorry and was not a dick to the guy. Anyway stay on the trails eh we all need to use private property on the trails and we don't want to lose that do we?

I can understand both sides of the issue but we do have trails to stay on and some people can get very disturbed if you go on their property. You have to remember it's their property reguardless of the size. How would you feel if people were crossing your backyard making noise, some of these machines are quite loud. Years ago I heard of one guy who strung wire accross entrances to his property about three feet off the ground.J ust the right height to take someones head off if they were going fast. The way arround this is, if you find yourself lost or on what you suspect may be someones property SLOW down, keep an eye out for anybody and approach them slowly and turn off your machine to find out where you are. Let them vent, don't provoke them remember you are wrongfully on their property, blasting aroud like a fool won't solve anything , even offer to help repair the hole in the fence or block the way you came in. Cool heads go further than hot heads. :D SWRules

There is always going to be a time when going through residential areas that u may have to cross some private property and thats all there is to it, and summitt144 your a rider and u would still get pissed??? Sure i would say sorry if i had to cross a corner of somones property and got stuck and spun out their grass or flowers, or done some sort of damage to somthing there, im not one of those guys who would purposely go into somones back yard to go carving or hit a drift because i can see somone mabey getting pissed if they hung around ripping stuff up, but just to cross and have somone chase you down the road?? thats Psyco man. :p

gregrobbins,
I couldn't agree more. Accidents DO happen. The problems most often occur when the people that made the mistake don't believe, or won't admit, they need to accept resoponsibility for their actions (you DID make a mistake...right?). Two wrongs will never make a right...

AL

I don't know the condictions that of this story but I was thinking of someone passing close by my house and my little girl playing with the dog out side and WHAM dead dog or for heavens sake my Gracey!!! Now that scares the #### out of me now if was away from my house and at the corner at my property well then that is a different story. It is all how you look at it. The point is PRIVATE PROPERTY!!!!!!!

Zrider- I know you guys were just riding 4 ft off the trail in some farmers plowed field but as a guy who has a lot of farmer friends where we all ride-that 4 ft of plowed field may not be just a plowed field! It happens all the time around my area and the farmers are all getting pissed over it. That 4 ft. of what you may think is a plowed field could have some crop growth underneath the snow and could be damaged. Some riders (not saying you and your friend) do not know the difference and think just because its a plowed field its OK to ride on it. I was a trail co-ordinator for our local club and I had to go around each Spring and listen to the farmers #####es. Most all had very definite problems on land damages. One very large farmer who owns the vast majority of farm land around us purposely leaves a 10 ft. strip of level land for us to ride on to connecting trails. Seems some just can!t stay on this strip. Off they go over his winter wheat, oats, or whatever he has planted there. Another rider comes and sees the track and off he goes-not in the same track of course but over a little ways. After a short time his field was a mess and he lost about $800 worth of crops. Once one farmer decides to close his properties, others follow right along and if it was not for the generosity of the landowners we all will be riding in our yards-and mine isn!t plowed either.

I can see the guy getting upset over that, you layed a set of tracks right next to his house and now other sleds are going to see those tracks and do the same thing. It happens all the time around here and i've followed someone elses tracks befor thinking it was some new trail or something only to find myself in someones front lawn with them comeing out to greet me, or worst yet a very large German sheppard not tied up showing me how white his teeth are.

Snowmobilers are just like cows, they see a set of tracks and they follow it. I'm sure that guy was thinking that now everybody is going to see those tracks and do the same thing, thats why he was mad. It's understandable.

I was at my cottage once and i was fishing. My brother (Machzzzz1) was out with 2 friends on the 4 wheelers. I was fishing with my friend of the dock when a guy came and started yelling at me. I interupted him and said what you yelling about. He thought i was on the 4 wheelers. I told him it wasn't me and to leave me alone im trying to fish. He left. I waited for Machzzzz1 to come back. I asked him what happened he said i was driving and all of a sudden there was a green Ford pickup on his bumber trying to stop him. He couldn't stop cause the guy would smash him. Eventually he stopped and the guy came yelling and wanting to fight. Machzzzz1 stood up and said "if you wanna fight lets go!". The guy backed of seeming Machzzzz1 is 6.6 250 pounds. The guy said that someone was doing donuts on his lawn and it wasn't my brother so sometimes people pay the price for a$$holes!!!!

Bottom line is private property is private property. Unless it's part of the trail system or you have permission from the land-owner, you have no business being there and they have every right to be upset.

Just yesterday I was talking to my Mom who said that someone's been snowmobiling all over their pasture. There are no trespassing signs all over the place. I'd love to run into the idiot who did this; I'd (verbally) rip him a new orifice! It gives us all a bad name. And no, there's no trails anywhere near there. SOME jerks seem to think that because they have a sled it's their God-given right to ride where-ever there's snow. I don't even ride on their property, sheesh! :0:

I agree, private property is private property. In todays sue happy times we all have to be careful. In my town, back in the mid 70's early 80's EVERYONE had a snowmobile. Now I can name them on my hands and feet. There is a field across the road from my house that we have to go through to get to the trail, but the old lady that owns it hates if we ride through it. Back then everybody rode through it to get to the little sled dealer up the road. I don't know if it is for liability reasons or old age, but all the land owners who had no problem with sleds going through their property back then are now going ape about it. Makes me wonder sometimes.....

When there is a percentage of snowmobilers that cant snowmobile unless they are piped, with 240 studs and full of beer at 3 am it pisses people off, period. Thats the group that wears property owners down on snowmobilers as a whole. You have seen these guys, I know some of them, and you know who you are.

when you get an angry farmer or someone who lives in the country life yelling at you the last thing you want to do is tell him to relax thats like putting gas on the fire many times they ride over their water lines or field bed. we had a couple of sleds ride over our water lines a few seasons ago and are water froz.... no water for 6 weeks. there could be a lot more to their anger than you just thinking its no big deal.......picture a big tractor running a cross your lawn and him telling to relax its no big deal :doh:

Originally posted by Summit 144@Mar 7 2003, 07:15 AM
I crindged as we drove close to a house while looking for off trail snow, instead of the gravel we were driving on in the road. Well you did go on his property on purpose and that is tresspassing.
It doesn't have to be on purpose even by accident you can be charged with tresspassing. About three years ago I was hunting on what I thought was my wifes uncles property, I had written permission, ran into two other hunters who started giving me a hard time for being on their land, I said no, they said yes, blah blah. I showed them my written permission and they said it didn't matter they were reporting me. I did get charged for tresspassing, (that sucks). I did find out later that an old fence had long been fallen over and never looked after. So it doesn't matter if it was on purpose or by accident, tresspassing is tresspassing and in my case it didn't help being nice to the guys. I still say say that if you at least apologize people should take a heart pill.

Headline: Property owners association bans OFSC from operating snowmobile trails on private lands. Doesn't sound too good does it. Stay on the trail on private property or it will come. Bet on it.

Here they want to raise the fine for trespassing from$100 to a maximum of $2000.All i can say is if its marked private stay off.If it's not marked ask someone.It only takes a minute to keep everyone happy.

always know where you are .going onto private property is not an option just as was stated earlier.I know it was not on purpose but they(property owners) do have the right to say no sledding.problem is when others see your tracks they will follow so you more than likely caused some other sucker to go there as well.I have news for some of you if you were to get on my grandfathers property and get snotty with him like some 6'5" guy @235 pounds you more than likely be shot,something to consider when you think your above the law.law says stay off others property period,no low snow exception.

A similar thing happened while I was at my cottage last summerlittle off topic, with atvs not sleds, but same idea.

SOme guy who lives way down the road, he is always calling the cops on atv'ers and stuff for no reason, and the cops just hate him. Well my brother Mr. Air, Marty, and mxzzzz1 were out driving, when they came off the trail onto the road abotu 50 metres up the road from his house. this guy comes stroming out and jumps in his truck and chases these, guys away, he nearly runs the grizzly right off the road. they all stop, the guy is yelling and is right mad, they are all saying sorry and stuff, this is before he gets out of his truck, when the door opens they pin it and get the hell out of there, the guy chases them with his truck, through the trails, and nearly kills them, all because of someone else riding by his house on the road!

Some people just need to calm down and realize that its not the poeple who will stop and apologize that are doing teh stuff on your property, its the ignorant, arrogant people who destroy fields and stuff, that get others into trouble!

BTW I was the one Fishing with KING when the guy came down and started yelling!

I truly appreciate all the responces to my post. To clarify some points of fact.

#1 We were in an area that contains thousands of acres of State owned property, that permit snomobile use. There were of course small tracts that are privately owned.

#2 All roads in our area, State or County, permit snowmobile use in the "Right of Way" which is 32 feet from the center of the road. for the most part we were within that limmit.

#3 There was an exit from the aproaching property, but it was fenced by the property owner, leaving no option to escape, but to cross his lawn.

#4 we were NOT raising hell, spinning our tracks, running over trees or doing any damage at all as the snow was at least 24 inches deep.

I fully understand the "Cow Theory" as in where a track exists. soon others will follow.

#5 I did APPOLOGISE for transgression. Even knowing I was within the State laws of trespassing. I took his WRATH,,, and INSULTS. I APPOLOGISED.

Sh!t happens, and theres nothin u can do about it except to accept it.

either way I agree that the guy should not have lost it so much as to chase u down his in truck and then yell at u.

He needs to gear down a bit. Im sure u wont be the last that he chases down.

Here lots of people seem to ride off of the trail, and i know of 2 people who are threatening to close the trail off of their land. Land owner # 1 is mad becuase he is always finding smashed beer bottles in his pasture where the cattle graze, and the RSA *local club* isn't closing and repairing the fence in the spring like they are supposed to do with the trail on his land. And # 2, a few people went on virgin snow in his yard and killed 15 young trees under the snow, no more sledding allowed!

The posting about seeing how white a German_Shepards teeth are made me laugh!! Where I live, I have a trail that cuts through the woods behind my house...that leads "only" to my house. I too have two large, young male Saddle-Back Shepards...usually loose and patrolling the property. The trail is barely one sled wide, so once your on it your commited to follow it to the end...where TWO sets of pearly-whites will greet you.
Iv'e had to go outside quite a few times to call them off a stray sledder investigating my trail.
Word travels fast about encounters with big dogs....I don't have as many stray sledders coming by anymore.
My advice?...stay on the marked trails !!!

yeh i would be the guy to buzz by his place at 3am. i like that idea.

Ya know Trollie...it WAS me who came to your aid, albeit a little late. I take issue with the dude still. Hey I'm NOT going to pull over while I'm being chased by some freak in a red truck who tries to run me off the road!!!! Take note that I did not give the guy the finger until after he swerved at me (60 + mph) And also...you were there you heard me apologize with some sincerity...I'm glad the dude didn't get out of his truck. That could have been REAL ugly. Like the 200 mg of ZOLOFT my Dr. prescribed to me for breakfast wouldn't have saved him. Red truck boy would have had to drive back steering with his butt cheeks, cuz his head certainly would have been repositioned in a dark warm smelly place!!!Tatooooos,Harley sticker and all. Laaater Days. AA

my 16 year old son was out last week with 2 buddies when i guy came running out and grabbed one kid by the throat. then went to his other buddy and dragged him off his sled that went into highway traffic stopping traffic while he pummeled the kid. my son said he was going to bash the guy with his helmet but there was another guy with the wacko.

All i can say is that is fun stuff buddy!!! I live in Wawa Ontario and my friend and i love riding on the edge. We go around at night and take hits into people's yards. By the time they have time to check it out we're long gone. The best place to ride is in a place where you're not supposed to. Unless you're acually harming something. But it's fun seeing a guy sitting in his living room watching TValmost hit the roof, when you take a hit right into his yard roosting on his driveway and hightailing it. It's a rush. Besides our cops couldn't catch a rolling donut let alone a vigilante. lol

They key is to be swift. Oh and be Carefull for fences. It's usually best to have a friend to go first to signal that the guy's yard is safe....If you get injured then you're really caught

If you live in a small town like me there's no issues when youré on your sled. Sleds are wicked fast on the street. And we're aloowed to drive them anywhere. You can run. and you're guaranteed to get away. Unless Buddy has a faster sled than you

LOL Troll.

Ive been in this situation many times. I dont try to go trespassing, but sometimes when your in the neverending endevour to find new trails (ATVing) stuff happens.

Anyways all you can do is be appologetic and if they want to fight let them throw the first punch then deck him.

Last summer we were driving down a public road and a guy that was growing weed in a feild at the end of the road was afraid we would go into his feild and discover him. Anyways he came after us in his pickup and tried to run us off the road. I had the Grissly pinned doing about 70km and he was about 1meter away from the bumper. Anyways Police were called and he was found out. Shortly before the chase he was yelling at us huge. Sounded just like your guy. :D

It's pepole like blazer_113 that give respectiable sledders a bad name. This is why property owners get so mad even if your on their property by mistake. One night you'll be ripping up my friends property and the set spikes will cost you a new track plus a double barrel 10 gauge full of salt in your skin. :angry:

:cussing: Right on greg, people who tear property off trail, don't deserve to ride. :cussing:

"If you live in a small town like me there's no issues when youré on your sled. Sleds are wicked fast on the street. And we're aloowed to drive them anywhere. You can run. and you're guaranteed to get away. Unless Buddy has a faster sled than you" blazer_113

Man.....Are you really that stupid? Grow up or get off your sled!!

what's with this guy ??? you don't go looking for trouble.one night,someone might be waiting for you.....................it won't be funny then. :cussing: doorknob.....

I don't like it when people think they own more property than what they do.....This year a buddy and myself were riding ditch's and this guy decided he OWNED the whole friggin' ditch!!!! He fenced it off w/ elect. wire, needless to say my buddy didn't see it and broke his windshield then snaped the wire w/ his body......WHAT EVER HAPPENDED TO "THE RIGHT OF WAY"

WHAT EVER HAPPENDED TO "THE RIGHT OF WAY"

That would depend on if the actually does own. Mt fathers property line starts 14 feet from center of the road, this means that my father owns the ditch in front of his property. Now I don't agree with stringing wires arround the place but if he owns it , he can stop you from using it . If he don't well thats another story.

Hey greg is that at duck lake?

No, Nfld

Originally posted by gregrobbins@Mar 14 2003, 12:17 AM
WHAT EVER HAPPENDED TO "THE RIGHT OF WAY"

That would depend on if the actually does own. Mt fathers property line starts 14 feet from center of the road, this means that my father owns the ditch in front of his property. Now I don't agree with stringing wires arround the place but if he owns it , he can stop you from using it . If he don't well thats another story.
Around here nobody "owns" the ditch's but the state. The state lets farmers fence off ditch's and rivers in the summer but they are suppose to take the fence down in the winter time.......DOES NOT HAPPEN!! I have seen home owners in MN get tickets from HP for obstructing ditch's I wish they would start giving fines around here.

SNOWFREAK I failed to mention that although he does own the ditch , it is not fencedas it is being used by snowmobiles and atv's as a through-way but 99% of the users keep the throttle down out of respect. The greater majority of riders in that area try to keep the noise down in town and don't rip up other peoples property. There is even a Golf Course near-by which you can go on if you stick to the marked trails. People there who don't usually learn the hard way to respect peoples property, unlike the area where my friend lives. He has to go to court now because the parents of the guy who ripped up his wifes flower bed wouldn't do anything about it. Afew days later the kid came back and caused more damage but he got his track caught in one of the wire traps. John gets in his D-8 and pushes the ski-doo (almost took the kid with it) and pushed it into his (the kid) fathers yard along with a couple yards of driveway, snow and lawn. Lucky for John he has lots of money so he don't mind paying for the damage to driveway and lawn, but as for the snowmobile , he was just returning it to it's owner. Just goes to show , you can only push people so far. :D :D

Originally posted by SNOWFREAK@Mar 14 2003, 09:57 AM

Around here nobody "owns" the ditch's but the state.
are you sure about that?I bet the state only has easement to the property.this does not give you the right to run there that only gives the state permission to be there for work,etc.just as at the front of my property I have a power line easement,I will not block this until it becomes a problem of others respecting what is mine.

The bottom line people is it is not your property it is theirs and they can have any opinion they want if they are generous enough to allow us a strip we should be gratefull not opiniated
A set of hyfax and a little carbide is not worth land closures :sly: