I ordered a new renegade and was wondering wether I should stud the track? If I should what is the best configuration and number of studs? Also,what brand of studs is the best?

IMO i would NOT stud the track unless you ride in icy conditions alot. If you are bent on studding no pun intended then do not get Sabres as there customer service is non-exsistent.

I like to race on the lake and I like the extra stopping power so I am running 144 woody's up the middle of my 1.25 track

Ditto to what Rev said. 144 Woodys stainless up the middle on my 1.25" Predator with fast trac backers. 800 mxzx. 1,200 miles this year in Vt. on this sled and they look mint. Studding is a must for me. Was worried about the height of the studs w/bending and pull out but no longer. Too dangerous on some of the logging roads not to stud. Amazing that they can get skids up these trails. Talk to riders in your area and see what they say about studding. BTW, what gade did you get? I did not pull the trigger fro the 600x sdi. Could not get a decent price. How did you do?

I'd give it a shot without studs, if you feel too loose in the a$$end then stud it for a little more traction.

I'm suprised permafrost didn't recomend a 1.75" instead of a 1.25" :D

i'm not a studder in my sleds but i was told with a REV i would be.

Try it with out studs first as Jaw's said.........If you want them after just go down the middle....96, it's more on a 136" I think it's like 110....That's all you should need.
Or go 1.75" that's what I'm doing.

i have 144 up th center of my 800 b/m
it hooooooooks up nice i ride in vt and i think they are a must in new england.
1 in track with 1.075 woodys

:) :) :) Thanks for all the input I still can not decide what to do I guess I will ride without studs at first.

Since you are getting a renegade i think you will be in for powder. If you are not my bad. But I would not stud. I have went thorugh to many tracks with studs.

Originally posted by paul yarek@May 1 2003, 10:03 AM
i'm not a studder in my sleds but i was told with a REV i would be.
You can tell your not a studder. Avatar like that!!! Just kiddin :D
SWRules

Originally posted by jawz@May 1 2003, 09:19 AM
I'd give it a shot without studs, if you feel too loose in the a$$end then stud it for a little more traction.

I'm suprised permafrost didn't recomend a 1.75" instead of a 1.25" :D
A stab at Machzzzzz1 I suspect. :hallo1:

I plan on studding the heck out of my revagade as soon as i take delivery. All you have to do is ground loop one on an icy corner once and you will never want to be studless again imho. the new tunnel will allow a good stud pattern to be spread out across the track so I would say go for it. I think about 180 woody's should do the trick.

doonut:

By "ground loop" do you mean a 360 or an actual rollover? Just curious. Thanks.

If you're going to stud - Woody's recommends 1.325" lenght studs for the 1.25" lug track. Depending what kind of riding you do and how much traction you want Woody's web site has recommendations for number of studs and patterns. Woody's also recommends you not put stud of this lenght in the outter edge of the track.

I recommend you also use the aluminum backer plates also to help keep the studs from pulling out.

do I need to worry about bottoming the sled out and trashing the heat exchangers with studs?

Sno Renegade,no,thats what tunnel protectors are for.

Blue2GT, ground looping is actually a term from the aviation world. It refers to a loss of control of the rear end,ie: spinning out in a corner. No biggie at slow speed but going backwards on a REV on a tree lined icy road at 85 was rather unnerving.

I never used studs until I really rode one that had them. I wouldn't go back.... On my sled I left them just over the lugs, about 3/16" which is shorter then what is recommended, best of both worlds. Less chance of pull out. I don't race on the ice but on those corners that get icy or on hills (up or down) you have enough control to stay out of trouble. At the same time you can kick the a$$ around if you want too.
rubber side down!!

doonut:

Thanks. I was actually familiar, being somewhat of an aviation buff mself (which I should have mentioned) which is why it caught my attention. I just wasn't sure how you were using it--and you were correct--can't believe I even questioned it. :withstupid:

However, you show me someone who is merely "unnerved" by traveling backwards at 85 mph (tree-lined road or no) and I'll show you a "master of understatement." Actually, at the Reno Air Races, I've seen airplanes, upside down, like only 20' off the deck, flying slower than you were going, backwards!

Anyway, sounds like an excellent argument for studs!

Thanks again.

Were I ride we can get some very icey trails so I run studs on my 1.25 track. I used an unstuded 1.25 sled out in Wyoming and in packed powder and in some fresh pow @18" deep it worked great with out studs.

If I ran those conditions all the time I wouldnt spend a penny on studs with the 1-1/4 track, it hooks up and stops real well. Here in So. NH our weather runs from Cold Snow for a few days then changes to freezing rain and warm temps, so our local trails get icey real quick and picks are a must have. This past winter I saw more wrecks on the trails than ever, at least 10 or so. and most of them was from boneheads riding to fast and not being able to stop on the ice because of no studs.

Todd