I wonder what the Doo boys have to say on the subject. Don't tell me its the Rev 800 HO. I want to know if Doo will bring out something FAST. Fast like Mach-Z or Thundercat Fast. With Cat giving the masses the 900 ZR, and Yammie with the 4-holer bike engine, Doo is without a lakeracer type to carry the flag. What gives?

I heard a rumour that one is coming. Or i might be making a rumor. :D

maybe they dont care if they have a sled for the lake, obviously yammy doesnt care if they have a sled for the sno cross market. ???

yeah i find it hard to believe that bombi will just drop out of the hyper sled. its something that they have worked very hard to do. then just throw it away.... i dont know but i would think that they will release something

I can not for see ski-doo giving up there big speed demons.Cat and doo have been top of the line lake racers for along time.Let them perfect there rev.Then they will come out with a big 900 twin also.As for yamaha they will go back to snowcross next year!!

THey wont release a lake racer for at least another year. IMO it would take some profites away from the REV/MXZ sled. So there just going to feed of the rev a bit and when that seems to have cooled down bring out another MachZ.

They wont do the same mistake they did in 1998 when they broght out the CK3 and then in 99 the ZX. THe CK3 never made there money back... And im sure the REV cost a lot of money to make..

My predictions are that it will be a triple powered sled. THey know theres only one way to make a lake racer and it consists of an engine with three holes in it. Im going to be number one on the order list.

Doo will be coming out with a 1000 direct injection twin in a rev chassis. The sled is made but they delayed the release until mid season next year or '05. It is a stock version of Blair Morgan and Karl Kuster's open class sleds. Doo will be not be making anymore triples except for the 1500 4stroke that is in the Elite.

IMO, there won't be another 2 stroke triple from rotax again, not even a sdi version. Bomb's future is the rev platform like it or not.........so likely the only mill's going in it are big twins........sdi and a di version that the Moose was refering too.
We will see...........But as it stands the rev 800 ho will run with anything that anyone else is currently making, So that's why IMO that they didn't rush anything elso out.
Now I know there are alot of Mach Z lovers out there that are pi$$ed off about this and are likely going to change brands over this. But Bomb has probably won over more customers from the other brands than lost, with the Rev program.
Remember this is only my opinion. SWRules

But as it stands the rev 800 ho will run with anything that anyone else is currently making, So that's why IMO that they didn't rush anything elso out.
GOT TO ADMIT THATS A GOOD ONE!!!

The Rev 800 ho will keep with the 900 Cat ? Come on, thats a stretch...........Nothing to do with brand loyalty, I read it in the mags, the 900 is king of the lake. Next in line is the 1000 Yamaha, and a clutched RX1 will beat a clutched 800 HO across the lake too, from what I have read. A D.I. triple would be a hell of a thing to put in the ZX chassis and own the lake.........

it looks like doo is not interested in the high speed for now.

The Blair morgan rev's have trimmed up some zr900's up here........So why wouldn't the 04 rev 800 ho doo it too. It will have more engine power than the 03 Blair Morgan.
Alot of people don't realize the difference between the standard rev and the Blair Morgan rev.
I didn't either until I ran one.....My rev was clutched and ran strong against zr900's and was able to hold one off for 660' to 800' on a couple occaisions.
But when I ran my buddies Blair.......(both of us had 1.25" tracks) and his was brand new so I doubt that he fiddled with it yet. We came out off the hole together and then he started pulling away from me right away and by 660' he was a good 4 lengths ahead.
Anyone else have any experance's with a Blair rev, weather you ran one or you own one please share with us.

We did not have any Blairs around here so I did not get to see how they faired in dragging!!Really that much of a difference?? Wasn't aware of that! Was not real impressed with the regular 800 rev!But some run better then others.Saw that with the firecats some smoke past 100 some barely make it out of the driveway!!

Skidoo no longer makes sleds IMO after dumping the tripple.
The seriesIII motors are a mechanical disaster and no longer on my list of what a snowmobile is. :angry:

well im not sure how the rev (blair) runs but from what i have seen is that the rev realy is not that impressive and i dont think it can run with the zr900. the revs that i have ran only wanted to drag race and where realy only looking at the first 500-600 feet. i was set up for top speed running.. had my sled geared and clutched up for 1000 feet and up. i did not find that it was hard to beat the 800 rev in the short drags. now if i would set up for the 660 then it would realy be not much of a race at all. also i know that brent also was looking for more mid to top end running and was still able to beat the revs in the drags. and again if he would set up for drags then he too would pull the rev pretty good. your probably right kenny when you say that bomb has gotten a lot of new people just for the rev.but i think that cat will also have a lot of new faces just for the f7 but i guess time will tell

Ask, Brent how he did against a Blair on the river he may not say what really happened but I know that he got smoked.
How come he was seriously considering a 800ho next year.....but is building a gargage and buying a new car for his wife. So it's not in his budget. I know that the standard rev is very beatable.........but they improved on it in a hurry and shouldn't be judged until someone else has giving it a good run. I know from experiance.

Being that the recreational side of Bombardier is up for sale, i would speculate that they would not come out with anything until ski-doo is sold.
just my speculation.

i think dood-ski is right :p

Originally posted by OldtimerF-7@May 9 2003, 12:52 PM
The Rev 800 ho will keep with the 900 Cat ? Come on, thats a stretch...........Nothing to do with brand loyalty, I read it in the mags, the 900 is king of the lake. Next in line is the 1000 Yamaha, and a clutched RX1 will beat a clutched 800 HO across the lake too, from what I have read. A D.I. triple would be a hell of a thing to put in the ZX chassis and own the lake.........
The 800HO 04 revs will be at the top of the food chain.

thats a good point ski-dood i had forgotten bout that... so kenny your saying that brent got smoked by the rev ho?.. wow that would be a huge difference. so how did it do against the f7?.

machzzzz1,
you're right especially here in ontario where somebody that owns one will not be able to afford food once they buy insurance. that goes for all other big cc sleds.

He didn't get beat by a rev HO it was a Blair Morgan, and I don't know of any F-7's that ran the Blair Morgan.

I'll tip my hat if Doo can make there series 3 twin run with cat's 862.

3eyedcat: as mentioned before i dought it if you will see anything until the company is sold.
If it takes to long to sell then maybe they will comeout with something next year but i guess we'll see.
Investing money into a company that is up for sale doesn't make sense to me but "hey" stranger things have happened.

800 HO, top of the food chain ? ??? Hear's a new flash, 04 zr-900EFI 155 hp diamond drive, at least 5 mph's faster then the 03's. Thats going to be ski-doo's worst nightmere :nervous:

once ski-doo is sold i think the new company will give us something better then what the Mach z has done for the last several years.
I think it will be a 4 stroke though not a 2 stroke.
this is only my opinion.

Originally posted by 3eyedcat@May 9 2003, 11:13 PM
800 HO, top of the food chain ? ??? Hear's a new flash, 04 zr-900EFI 155 hp diamond drive, at least 5 mph's faster then the 03's. Thats going to be ski-doo's worst nightmere :nervous:
155 eh, If the motor is that much more powerfull and the diamond drive is that much more efficent, than that Cat better be alot faster than 5mph over last years version.
155! come on why not say 255!

Kenny, I said at "least" 5 mph's faster. So your saying that it's not that much, tell you what, have a buddy drive by you in a car,bike or what ever you can get a hold of at 5-6-7 mph and imagine your on a lake and then tell me that's it's not that much. 255 horse, maybe with a aftermarket pipe! :p. How much do the 03 zr-900's put out for horsepower?

Havent seen much top end runs with the REV but i know they have been cleaning up at the strip. My friends ZR900 is getting beaten on the big end by my other friends Mach Z, and if people are saying that the Blair Morgan REV is beating the ZR900 then why wouldn't the 800HO beat it. Two of my budd's have the 04's comeing for this winter so we'll see who's got the juice on top.

Yes indeed, we shall see.

Originally posted by 3eyedcat@May 10 2003, 12:33 AM
Kenny, I said at "least" 5 mph's faster. So your saying that it's not that much, tell you what, have a buddy drive by you in a car,bike or what ever you can get a hold of at 5-6-7 mph and imagine your on a lake and then tell me that's it's not that much. 255 horse, maybe with a aftermarket pipe! :p. How much do the 03 zr-900's put out for horsepower?
It better be at least "5mph faster" than last year's 900. It should be in a class of it's own for speed and 800s are giving it a hard time on the drag strip. The '03 ZR900 never impressed me at all.

Hey Moose, I had a 01 800x in black, it was the biggest slug I ever owned, not bad up to 90mph then it would fall flat on it's face. Let me guess, your handing zr-9's there lunch's with your mxz-800x right? :D

Originally posted by Moose Magnet+May 10 2003, 09:06 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Moose Magnet @ May 10 2003, 09:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--3eyedcat@May 10 2003, 12:33 AM
Kenny, I said at "least" 5 mph&#39;s faster. So your saying that it&#39;s not that much, tell you what, have a buddy drive by you in a car,bike or what ever you can get a hold of at 5-6-7 mph and imagine your on a lake and then tell me that&#39;s it&#39;s not that much. 255 horse, maybe with a aftermarket pipe! :p. How much do the 03 zr-900&#39;s put out for horsepower?
It better be at least "5mph faster" than last year&#39;s 900. It should be in a class of it&#39;s own for speed and 800s are giving it a hard time on the drag strip. The &#39;03 ZR900 never impressed me at all. [/b][/quote]
The zr9 was fast on flat hard packed snow on the lake. But you have to remember its only an 862cc.... i dont see why they just didnt make it almost 900cc&#39;s would have made more power too.

MachZ69, you had a friend this winter that fried 2 f7&#39;s then bought the ZR900, what did he think of it?

Originally posted by SKI-DOOD@May 11 2003, 04:13 AM
MachZ69, you had a friend this winter that fried 2 f7&#39;s then bought the ZR900, what did he think of it?
I might know who your talking about. This guy bought an f7 and it was fast, fastest sled on the lake, it beat zr900&#39;s and you name it. But it blew up on him twice so he traded it for a new black zr900, he got that sled and he found that it was slower than his f7 because he raced another green zr9 that was complatly stock that he used to beat or be side by side against when he had the f7 but now when he got his zr9 it was slower than his f7 because the guy on the green zr9 would always beat him. I never had to the chance to race his f7 with mine, but i raced him with he had his zr9 and i have my f7 snopro and when the lake had some loose snow on it i would beat him right across the 2 mile lake or whatever it is, but when it got packed he would pass me on top end, so i think if i would have had the 1 inch track on my sled i could have won on top end too. He even told me during the winter that he would rather have an f7 over the zr9 if only he knew it wouldnt have any problems.

Be careful with this one too.

Coming down hard on the bashing.

I have a 03 ZR-900 sno-pro with reeds, powerbreather, gutted airbox,D&D clutching. Not one f7 that I ran could stay with it. I pulled the blocks out of the skid and lossened up the limiter straps for drag racing. it makes a HUGE difference in how this sled perform&#39;s in a straight line, HUGE!!!!. But there&#39;s alway&#39;s someone faster. I just did&#39;nt run into it last season.

Originally posted by 3eyedcat@May 10 2003, 10:24 PM
Hey Moose, I had a 01 800x in black, it was the biggest slug I ever owned, not bad up to 90mph then it would fall flat on it&#39;s face. Let me guess, your handing zr-9&#39;s there lunch&#39;s with your mxz-800x right? :D
Those Zr900s are very lazy out of the hole that I could hold it off for at least 660&#39;. This sled was labeled as a "torque monster" well where is that torque in the bottom end?

Originally posted by DAVE7625+May 11 2003, 10:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (DAVE7625 @ May 11 2003, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--SKI-DOOD@May 11 2003, 04:13 AM
MachZ69, you had a friend this winter that fried 2 f7&#39;s then bought the ZR900, what did he think of it?
I might know who your talking about. This guy bought an f7 and it was fast, fastest sled on the lake, it beat zr900&#39;s and you name it. But it blew up on him twice so he traded it for a new black zr900, he got that sled and he found that it was slower than his f7 because he raced another green zr9 that was complatly stock that he used to beat or be side by side against when he had the f7 but now when he got his zr9 it was slower than his f7 because the guy on the green zr9 would always beat him. I never had to the chance to race his f7 with mine, but i raced him with he had his zr9 and i have my f7 snopro and when the lake had some loose snow on it i would beat him right across the 2 mile lake or whatever it is, but when it got packed he would pass me on top end, so i think if i would have had the 1 inch track on my sled i could have won on top end too. He even told me during the winter that he would rather have an f7 over the zr9 if only he knew it wouldnt have any problems. [/b][/quote]
There is another guy besides Brent that ordered a F7 and blew it up twice and then traded up for a ZR900 and blew that one up too! Poor guy. ;) :p

Moose, don&#39;t confuse lazyness with traction, like I said earlier, pull the blocks, loosen off the straps 1-2 turns, and then see what happen&#39;s.

this guy wasn&#39;t born last night.........you don&#39;t think he didn&#39;t think of that. You got some pretty healthy modes on your zr9 so you should run strong against anyone

thats funny cause when i was out there like every weakend i saw brent run the f7 with the 1" track and he beat the f7 every run i never saw him behind the f7 at all. and thats like 20+runs. but i have to agree with 3eyed on this one the problem would be traction. he is running the stock track. the f7 has amazine hook as does the rev. any other sleds needs a 1.25 to stay with them on the bottom. but if you install a 1 .25 on the 900 it will be a different animal.i know eveyone said that brent `s f7 was fast. i cant say as i never saw it run fast. every time i was there it was not that fast. i cant remember the numbers but it was slower.now the other f7 that was running all the time was not a sno pro so i dont know if there is a difference there or not. but it still is very fast. he was behind but not by much. that f7 was still faster and quicker then the rev 800. now what is the difference between the rev 800, the rev blaire and the rev H.O.?... is the blaire not the H.O.?. and if not why would it be faster? a sticker kit wont give you much ...........lol.one other thing i think that the 900 as most cats has some belt slippage on bottom acceleration. that would be the roller secondary. but i think brent was on the right track but he just needed more track a 1.25 would fit the bill.

The sticker kit on the blair morgan sure did work!.........trust me don&#39;t under estimate these sled&#39;s. I guess we will get early indication on the grass drag curcuit this summer and fall.
Personally, I not sure why I&#39;m getting caught up in all this......I&#39;m not getting the 800ho and I don&#39;t drag race very often.......I&#39;m getting a rev-gade 600 with deep lugs.......so I have differen&#39;t intentions for this sled obviously. I will still however be curious how quick it will be in a straight line against bigger compition. And if it does good great if not........whatever. I do know where this sled will shine and that&#39;s were it will spend most of it&#39;s time.

Originally posted by machz69@May 12 2003, 08:46 AM
thats funny cause when i was out there like every weakend i saw brent run the f7 with the 1" track and he beat the f7 every run i never saw him behind the f7 at all. and thats like 20+runs. i know eveyone said that brent `s f7 was fast. i cant say as i never saw it run fast. every time i was there it was not that fast. i cant remember the numbers but it was slower.
I was not talking about other f7&#39;s i was taking about his. Brent could beat brushy&#39;s zr9 on his f7 but couldnt beat him on his zr9. He said his f7 was faster than his 900, he wasnt happy when i was beating him on my f7 it made him think that he didnt make the right choice.

Everytime you were there what was not that fast? and what numbers are you talking about that was slower?

every time i was there when brent had his f7 it was not that fast. when i was there say the zr9 (brushy&#39;s) was running say 115mph then brents f7 came in like 111... is what i was saying. i did not see it run that fast. i ran him with my machz and did not have a problem but he did say it was faster in the morning runs.. and also i was out at the cottage when bigway had brents f7 out there and again it was not that fast. like when i say not that fast i dont meen slow just not the fastest production sled. dont get me wrong here. the f7 is a rocket. it just did not beat the zr9 or the machz. thats all. i dont wnat to get in to a whole f7 beats the zr9 thing here. i was just saying that the zr9 does beat the rev. but if it had a deeper track to get some better hook then it would realy run thru the 660 thats all.

Don&#39;t get me wrong here, I had the change to sample a rev and I tell you what, that is one great trail sled PERIOD!!! It made my zr feel quite ordinary. I feel the zr chassis is on par with the ZX chassis, but behind the REV for sure. I&#39;m not a big fan of the firechicken, but I&#39;ll be keeping a close eye on the 04 REV 800HO and try and run as many as I can, and if that sled deliver&#39;s the good&#39;s on the lake like it doe&#39;s in the bush, I&#39;ll be riding one in 05....

Yep we will have to wait and see what is how all these sled will run next year should be interesting.