Since the 583 is a popular engine from Mach1/FZ/STX/PlusX/MXZ

Anyone with a good clutch set up :sly:

1-looking for acceleration aka 0-60mph :hallo1:

2-you can also post top speed clutching too

thanx in advance SWRules

Sorry freezerburnt. That's one engine I've never had my hands on. I'm not sure why. Why don't you give us the particulars, (your weight, year, model, what's in it for clutching now, etc.) and I'm sure we can get you headed in the right directon. Maybe give Dynamoe^Joes posts a good read. Lots of good info there.

I am 6'5 265 LBS :)

sled is 95 STX 583 :)

non studded

Clutching = stock

The reason I started this post is because they are many of us still riding 583s and would like some xtra info on giving us more power to the ground be it acceleration or top speed

keep up the good work guys :sly:

Good question,
I'm riding a 97 MXZ 583 with stock clutch, 5000 miles on it.
Not sure if it has been rebuilt as I just got it last season.
Have removed the drive and driven to clean and rebuild.
I am looking for suggestions
I am 6', 160 lb
ride aggressively on trails, not too much lake riding
original studded track 96
Have been folowing Dyno-Joe, awsome info!
Thanks for the suggestions
SWRules

I had a '95 FZ583 and a '97 MXZ583 and a '99 MXZ600 which I pretty much ran the same setup in. It pulled very hard thru mid range and picked up a little on top. I ran threaded pins and tuned them to 8000 RPM's, 145 ramps, don't remember what spring. It had a little stiffer finale rate (I'll try to find my notes again). I played with the secondary with different ramps and spring loads on beige spring. What really did the best was a A/C secondary w/ER kit installed. It had way better backshift and you could feel the compression brake effect. With the kit ER kit I could adjust for the conditions of the day in a few seconds and always be "ON". Well worth the investment and alot of fun. Those sleds were hard to beat, I miss the old rotary valve motors! -Grover

Hey Grover
I'll keep the post.
Have heard that about the ac secondaries before.
Did you put a new secondary in or a used one?
Can you remember what you paid for it.
Did you need to change the counter shaft?
How long did you have those machines for?
Did you ever redo the counter shaft bearings?

Thanks for the help,
If you don't mind there is a few more ? I'll have for you

me&mymxz583, Lots of questions. I still have the '99 MXZ600, I couldn't part with it. Too nice of sled. Keeping it around for the wife or spare. I picked up a REV 800 w/RER last season. I picked the the 'Cat secondary up used and it was a non roller. I installed the ER kit and then had it balanced. I stuck a bunch a money in it. I really like it. I didn't install it in my '03 because of the RER. I made a duel key to fit the old keyed shaft jackshaft. I had a new jack shaft made for the '99, and then machined the orginginaljackshaft and it worked great. That way when I got rid of it, I didn't have to change shafts.ActuallyI've decided to put the secondary up for sale, but no takers yet. If you like you can e mail me directly. dquaderer@voyager.net and I'll try to help you out. -Grover

Hi James...

Hoo, well I never did play with this sled too much but a tried and true setup seems to be:

228 or 145 "higher engagement"
Pink White [230/380]
Clicker 4
Goodwin threaded steel pins 10.7 to 15.7 [pt# 420-602] These can be threaded even further into the pin to add more screws and get to about 17+ grams. You can have 5 threads of the setscrew sticking out of the threadable pin. I dont know exactly the weight, but I seem to remember around 16 grams.
53/44 helix
18-19 lbs pretension on stock secondary spring.

I'll get back to you as I will ask a pal what is in his 583. Im just not sure on the primary spring.
His sled rips a$s man, it is faAaAast and wins snow drags like crazy. With the clutch kit in my little 440, I can get him outta the hole about a hundred feet or less, then he pulls me on the midrange and gets me on top end by about 2-3 mph. He is running a 93-formula 583. They say pigs cant fly?...haha...proves em wrong.

Ok man
Later
Joey

Hi Grover,
I need to digest this for a whileand consider whether to rebuild first and then maybe consider an a/c secondary. What are you asking for yours?

Dyno Joe,
I'm saving the info so when I get this clutch apart I canmake some changes. Let me know what your friend is running, please.

Thanks for the help

My friend has a Formula 583 and it is a rocket. Im not sure his set up. I will tell Machzzzz1 to check this out cause i think he knows his set up considering he always works on his machine.

230/320 pri spring, stock ramps, hollow threaded steel pins with 3 set screws, 56/50 helix, stock sec spring in B-6

Heres my .02-
Gear down 1 tooth from stock (your a house) and run 286 ramps,200/320 spring,solid pins(16.4 grams),50/47 cam at B6 with Goodwins Blue spring and (mandatory) teflon buttons- adj clickers for 7900/8100 rpm(all tachs are 100-200 rpm off)-BJ

ive worked on a few 583's. here is what i did... stock prim. spring.. if you are ok with that engagement rpm. threaded steel pins w/2 set screws, and 145 ramps. i believe these engines run 7600 to 7800 rpm. this really seemed to turn these sleds on. : :0:

Hey freezer...I dunno f ya remember, but I have a 583 Mach 1. The best set up I got was with a simple change to a 1.90 chaincase ratio, and a little more spring. Helix is stock 53. The gearing made it shift all the way out and hit well over a hundred. I`m big fugger too...bout 245 all suited up. Keep the motor below 8000. Jetting, alignment, and track tension are key to this high TQ lil powerhouse. I`ve shocked all but the biggest sleds with this thing. It eats XLT`s for lunch, and even spanked a 680 ULTRA on a good day.

:undercover: Hey....I'm new to this board. Seems pretty cool. I'm 31, and I'm riding a 1998 FormulaZ583. I've raised the seat on her 4", handlebars 1", otherwise all original. I'd like to do some clutching, cause she revs about 8200. The clickers don't seem to be enough. I settled on 15lbs preload on the secondary. Just wondering when you guys talk about multiangle helixs', like 53/44, do you mean Skidoo 53/44, or everyone else 53/44? I hear skidoo measures angle different, about 4 degrees. thanks.

Ivrotax, get some adjustable pins form thunder products to bring that rpm down. You need to throw weight into the primary to bring down rpms.

i have a 96 583 with 164 rv, coated pistons and head, short boots,dyno port can, slight timing advance, geared down a tooth on top sprocket.280 ramps, pink/white spring, stock secondary set to 19 to 21 lbs.this was good in the 660ft and was with mostly stock 670's. top end was with 670's. speedometer said 108 and was with a 670 that said 110. he could not go by, we ran out of lake. wish we had radar, or a gps to check what it really was.

TTT :)

I notice a few others asking about the 583

so here you go :sly:

TTT

I'm looking for the same info. I want a good trail set-up.

Any information would be great, I read the info so far but to be honest, unless I have a part # or what have you, I really dont know where to order.


I am looking into swapping gears out, I have the chaincase apart anyways to change the oil and clean the cases. It has a 44/25 on it now, someone said back a long to drop a tooth on the top gear, can anyone confirm a good gear setup for 0-75 or 80? Thanks..

-John

I was looking gearing down as well on the wifes. I pulled the chain case an hour ago to put on a 1" camo challanger and studs. When i pulled the chain cover i think somthing was living in there. Wow that lube smelled burned! Anyhow, there was a pretty good bend in the chain with the stock set-up so gearing down would make that bend worse. (On mine anyways). Chain may be stretched, i will have to compair it to a good one. If you don't hit 100 very often then i would gear down. I did it on my 700 and big improvement. My 2 cents. SWRules

Thanks, I was wondering the same thing. By gearing down the chain is then looser, so you need to tighten the tensioner. The chain is not a staight path or even close, so do you actually lose more HP in driveline loss?

I would be gearing down 2 teeth on the top. I do not hit 100 very often (the sleds max speed) except up on northern trips, which is maybe 5 times a season. I like good acceleration 0-70 mainly.

Any insight would be helpful on the driveline loss of hp by dropping a couple teeth (making the chain "stretch" if you will)

-John

my 2 cents.. I marked my clutches last season, and this year after all that beating I discovered mine is not clutching out either. I am going to a 21 tooth top gear for a 2.1 ratio and have a 1.2 track with studs. I never plan on lake runnning, but am a ditch maniac and bush whacker, so low is good. it was really quick before, so I think with more weight in the primary, it should be yummy

update on my 21 tooth top gear... I took it grass dragging the other day, and WHOA the thing really launches now... ripped the grass out for 100 yards and had the skis up to my knees the whole way.. really moves now. really. top end went into the o/d for once and I only went 80, but still goes 80. I had no field left to go faster. 2.1 gear ratio is not too much after all!

:undercover: Hey....I'm new to this board. Seems pretty cool. I'm 31, and I'm riding a 1998 FormulaZ583. I've raised the seat on her 4", handlebars 1", otherwise all original. I'd like to do some clutching, cause she revs about 8200. The clickers don't seem to be enough. I settled on 15lbs preload on the secondary. Just wondering when you guys talk about multiangle helixs', like 53/44, do you mean Skidoo 53/44, or everyone else 53/44? I hear skidoo measures angle different, about 4 degrees. thanks.
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Since the 583 is a popular engine from Mach1/FZ/STX/PlusX/MXZ

Anyone with a good clutch set up :sly:

1-looking for acceleration aka 0-60mph :hallo1:

2-you can also post top speed clutching too

thanx in advance SWRules
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I have a 94 formula Z 583. Installed a plus X rotary valve,19/43 gears,brb can,228 ramps,biege sec. spring @ 21 lbs,on c-3, 44 helix,shave heads to the max for pump gas,besure to align clutchs.This thing will pull Any 8oo for the first 200 ft

this is a great thread!!! i am also wondering what exactaly this guy joe mentions is running.