My doo's that I have are now really outdated so I'm in the
market for some new sleds and I've always wanted to buy a
Cat. I'm looking at getting rid of my piped 700 triple
to get a ZR900 Snopro for myself and selling my 500 SLS to
get a F7 Snopro for my wife. I'm not to familiar with AC's
all that much so I'm looking for advice or feedback on these
models.

I haven't heard much, if any, bad stuff about the ZR900 so
it appears to me that it would be a good buy but the F7 is
what I'm a little concearned about. I absolutly love the
styling on this machine but somehow question it's toughness
and reliabilty since it seems that nowbody has ridden it
yet.

The REV is different and maybe a good change for the whole
sled market but I'm not sure it's for me.

Do you guys think that a Black F7 Snopro and a Black ZR 900
Snopro would be a good step in the right direction for me?
Especially since I'm coming over from the Doo camp!

It's either going to be "Don't know what you got till it's
gone" or "Wow I've really been missing out". Either way I'm
ready to try out a new brand to see what they have to offer
to me. Polaris and Yamaha just don't appeal to me at all and
I've always said that If I was going to ride something other the Doo's that I've been ridding for years, it would be a
big bad @$$ Cat.

Anybody willing to sway me over to AC to make a faithful
convert?

My brother traded from Cat to Doo in 01'. Although he is
happy with his purchase (MXZ700) he said "I really miss my old Cat". I have also concidered going over to Doo when I heard that Cat was dropping the Triples.
I then came to my senses and will just roll with the times.
I woluld go ahead with the ZR900 for yourself but would
consider a different modle other that the F7 untill it is proven.
Perhaps your wife would like the ZR500 or 600 and if she is really an agressive rider I would suggest the 800efi cross country.
No matter what you decide you can't go wrong!!!!!!!!
Welcome to Team Green!! http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Thanks for the input Taxicat!

Do a lot of you AC riders feel skeptical about the Firecat
line or do you think that It will prove itself to be a darn
good sleds with just a few bugs to work out? I wouldn't
normally buy a first year production but I really like the
F7 and my wife needs more ponies then a 500, at least a 600.
Both of these sleds with the 1.375" track would be just
perfect for our riding conditions. But how stiff does the
Snopro suspension actually ride and will the dealer revalve
the shocks for me if need be? Is there a difference betwene
the F7 Snopro suspension and the ZR900 Snopro suspension?

According to Cat, the 500 is supposed to perform like a 600 and the 700 is supposed to perform like a 800..... so if your wife is an aggressive rider, and wants a 600 class machine, go with the F5. *But again, many factors can affect this decision.... some things to think about:

Weight of rider ( I know I know, NEVER ask a girl how much she weighs!!&#33http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Years of Experience
Type of Riding (Trail, ditch banging, lakes, mountains?)


If you do mostly trail riding with the wife, then I would look into a ZL for her, maybe a 600 or an 800, depends. *However, if she is an aggressive rider, then go ahead and check out the F5 or F7.... I don't know what the price difference is between the two, but it can't be all that much, can it?

As for the revalving of the shocks..... they probably would do it, I know my dealer would if I asked them, but he might charge a small fee....each shop is different.... this is something to sit down with *your dealer and ask them. *If they can't give you a straight answer, then find a different dealer who can * *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

Well the wife is a spinner at 110#'s or less and 5'4" tall.
She is an agressive rider, too much sometimes! * http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif
Mostly trail, ditch banging and hitting the bowls and all
the untouched snow we can find. I think that the F5 wouldn't
be enough and the F7 would be enough for both of us. *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
So I'm thinking that the F7 would be enough for her and
still be a fun ride for me coming off a ZR900.

Will anybody be test riding the Firecats this year like SDoo
is doing with the REV or is it going to be a 'order one and
hope it works like they say' kind of thing?

I've heard that the ZR900 is a joy to tune and that it's got
good power. Should be a big difference between that and my
piped and clutched FIII 700.

After looking at the Firecat, I have some concern about the strength of the front suspension. *This is just my observation without any data to back it up. *'02 Sno Pro owners would have a better educated opinion. *One thought is if it worked on the '02 Sno Pro, it should work for me. *Keep in mind we're looking at proto's and everything more than likely will be tweaked come production time. *Again, this is just my observation and opinion. I hope I'm wrong. *I'd still order one if I was buying. *That thing looks too cool not to.

The ZL might merit a good look though. *A friend of mine traded his '00 ZR for a '01 ZL 600 and loves it. The styling (finally) is on par with the ZR's and he says it rides great. *Over 2000 trouble-free miles.

How long do you think the clutch bushings and the crank
bearings are going to last on the ZR900? Big power & big
torque but big displacement for a twin. But on the other
hand shouldn't stuff like this be covered under AC's 2 year
waranty? * http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I haven't heard of any crank problems on the 800's. *I can't remember if the 900 is based on the 800 though. *A 2 yr warranty might be a good thing.

http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif Customer Service, Reliability, Manufacturor Knowledge, Fit and Finish, these are all reasons why I will not be riding Cat next year. If I were you I would stick with Doo.

I'm a poet and didn't even know it http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/baaa.gif

Snow Monkey - Have you been a loyal cat rider for a while
now? Sounds like you've had some problems with you sled!
What do you ride? What were your problems?

http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif I have been riding Cats for 8 years now. I ride a 02 ZR 800 efi C/C. I have had nothin but probs with it. Fuel pumps, bad starting, shocks just to make it short( been whining about this fror a while). I had the machine to the dealer last week for fixes on these probs and when I got it back and went for a ride, nothing has been fixed. I will never own another *machine from Cat due to the fact that when something goes wrong Arctic Cat and their dealers play stupid. Instead of putting out a recall, they play dumb. We spend good money and we deserve a product that works and if it doesn't work it should be fixed properly and promptly *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Snow Monkey - Do you know of a lot of others that are going
through the same problems or do you think that yours just
was the lemmon of the bunch? I agree that a company should
stand behing thier product especially when It's brand new
and under waranty! Ski Doo was excelent for me in that
respect. Two rebuilds because of crank bearing failure and
this was at no cost to me except for a little lost time on
the machine. They didn't hang me out to dry or turn there
heads and play dumb. Is most of this coming from the dealer
or do you think that it goes straight back to AC as far as
how you've been treated? The last thing that I want to do is
buy something that is the latest and greatest or the cutting
edge of technology that has a waranty with it and have it in
the shop more then on the trails. Do you get the same
treatment from all your dealers in your area or just one?
I have yet to look into who's the best Cat dealer around me
because that itself will help me decide what I will doo. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif The stupidity aspect of it I guess is coming from the dealer. But a dealer is a representative of the product. There have been many guys with the fuel pump problem and there should have been a recall on the machines to save a lot of stress when the machines quit on the trail. My suggestion would be that if you are going to go with Cat, Get to know your dealer, the mechanic that will be working on your machine and how your dealer operates. My problem is that the mechanic that worked at my dealer was very good but He quit and now I have no idea who is wrenching on the sled and how qualified they are. Its a tough decision but for me it was easy after this year. No more Cats for me.

A good dealer makes all the difference.

Well I was out sledding with a bunch of friends a couple of weekeneds ago. Yes a lot of them ride Bombies, but in that weekened alone four of them broke down. The funny thing is they are always bugging me cause I ride a cat. I guess the jokes on them!!!! http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

With the ZR900, you are getting an 800 based motor only bored out to a larger size. I'd figure Cat would have all the 02 800 bugs out by the time you get your 9. I hate that they didn't offer remote resevior shocks (sno pro) on this one; maybe they will have a cross country by the time you get yours. *I doubt you will be unhappy with this sled. I'd love to jam one of those 9's into my 00 Sno Pro. Although the F5/F7 come with a Sno Pro option, it's unclear if this option actually does have remote resevior shocks. Obviously, this is a totally new sled and there might be problems; my thinking is that Cat is going to see how the Sno Pro racers held up this season and adjust accordingly. But, lets be honest, would you ever put an F5/F7 through anything close to what a racer endures, probably not. I would jump on the F7 for the wife if you can live with the idea that this is a new platform sled; I'd bet that little baby would be hard to make go away, with your wife's light weight, even the mighty 900 would have to work it a good bit to pull away from the F7, if all the hp hype is no lie. And about Cat's warranty questions, all I can say is when my bud's 00 ZR600 Blair Morgan special blew up, and completly destroyed the motor when a jug casting broke off into the crankcase, Cat fixed everything at no cost to my friend. Get this, his sled was 15 days out of warranty. I can only go from personal experience. Cat's got too much going on for me to change brands; however, I've got to admit, that REV rocks, looks and technology. I saw Morgan and Custer absolutely kick butt at the Pontiac indoor. Those REV's just flew!

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I have had a skidoo MXZX 440 and really enjoyed it, but I've always been a CAT MAN. I've rode POLARIS, SKI-DOO, and someday liked to try a YAMAHA but I know I'll always have a ARCTIC CAT in my garage. The fit and finish is great on the new sleds (ARCTIC CAT) . I have a 2002 ZR 440 snopro and I think that ARCTIC CAT really out done themselves this time. The ride is the best I've rode on yet! The handeling is perfect for trail ridding. The racers had problems with the turnning but as always they fixed it. I have many friends that ride all differant kinds of snowmobiles and when I let them ride my CAT they all really think it is a great ridding machine. The guy telling you to stay with DOO sounds like he works there and wants you to stay with SKI-DOO. I say give it a try and I think you will never go back to SKI-DOO. I have taken a few die hard POLARIS, and SKI-DOO riders and convereted them to CAT and not one of them ever went back. "GREEN IS THE COLOR OF MONEY,AND LIKE MONEY YOU CAN NEVER GET ENOUGH OF IT !!!!!!! *Nice talking to you and I know you won't go wrong with cat. *PS. * How come POLARIS, YAMAHA, SKI-DOO all went to a double wishbone front suspension like the ARCTIC CAT has had forever http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif? YOU CAN'T BEET THE RIDE OF A CAT...............

Hey Louie you will never convert me because I know what the best built machines are in the world and I have never been towed but yes I have towed the team green machines and we all know that is a fact.If Iwas going to buy a new sled today you know what it would be and so does everybody else on this form.I wonder if I can still get them Polaris underware.hehehe yes I am a diehard Polaris man and always will.Also as far as polaris having A Arms NOT TRUE.Who needs them I have been running trailing arms for ever and I can hang with anyone anywere.

with your wifes weight, unless she rides really hard you may want to consider re-valving the shocks on a ZR as they may feel too stiff and a little uncomfortable under normal riding or long trips. just my opinion. ENJOY YOUR CAT'S you wont regret your purchase. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Get the Cats....on my 5th Cat since 1980, and only problems with one, '96 ZRT800. *Some of the problems mentioned by other members seem to be dealer problems, not necessarily Cat. *As I posted last week, some dealers were telling people that Cat knows nothing of this residue problem left in the gas tanks, but Cat does know about it. *So why would dealers tell people this...don't know. *The only thing I don't like about the new Firecats so far is the hood....looks like they bought a hood scoop from J.C. Whitney and bolted it on. *Have no problem with the plastics used, they are strong enough and will flex much better with the conditions of snowmobiling and won't rust. *Of course, there could be first-year bugs with any product.

Good luck and enjoy the Cats.

Thanks for the positive feedback. I need to find a reputable
dealer in my area because that's what will help me decide
what I'll be riding next year. It will cost a couple extra
$'s to get the shocks revalved if needed but I'll wait and
see unless the dealer strongly recommends the change. I have
a good feeling about the ZR because I have some CAT friends
that went out and bought the 02 ZR800 CCE and they all love
them and have really nothing bad to say about them. But I'm
a little hesitant to basically trust that The FireCat will
live up to what they say it will and have minimal bugs to
work out since I've never delt with AC before. I'm not much
of a gambling man but that F7 has really caught my eye and I
might just go out on a limb and give it a try. Does anybody
know what kind of waranty CAT will have with the FireCats?

If anybody has a good recomencation for a CAT dealer in
SE lower Michigan please let me know!

As much as I like the green I'll be getting both in black.
I've always liked the Team green (AC & Kawasaki), but even
the only yellow Doo I had was the first one (1974 ?). The
green and the yellow are like a dime a dozen! Black baby! http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif

maluchm,the black firecats look darn good.But what would look better in your garage would be a MXZX 800 black. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

i have to agree that the new zr 900 looks good. But i have had yamahas, polaris,cats, and doos and in my opinion doo has the best all around sled. power,handling,looks, and the big one reliablity with service that is matched by no other sled manufacturer.polaris looks like a women desinged it and yamaha is throwing everything but a weed eater motor in there sleds to boost sales. Like rocketman said my money is that you will be riding yellow before its all over.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mxz7 @ Mar. 13, 2002, 11:38pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">maluchm,the black firecats look darn good.But what would look better in your garage would be a MXZX 800 black. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif[/b][/quote]
I wouldn&#39;t mind having a MXZ 800X but I don&#39;t want a REV and
I believe that thr REV is the only MXZ with the "X" package!
I&#39;m still seriuosly thinking about the renagade though.

Believe me guys, I&#39;m not knockin Doo by any means but It
feels like it&#39;s time to try out something new. A guy needs
a little "Strange" every now and then. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

With all the new selections this year it&#39;s a hard decision
but I think that It&#39;ll be two CATS unless my wife is
sucessfull in changing my mind to not get two new sleds but
instead put the Sauna in the basement and a Jacuzzi with
fiber optic lights, CD player and VCR! She&#39;s trying hard but
I don&#39;t want to get rid of my toys. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif

a little "strange" is always good!!! Ha,ha,ha!!!!

I love that phrase!

I will tell you this about Arctic Cat-their fit and finish is nothing what a Ski-doo or a Yamaha is. There is no argument there-any true diehard Cat guy that&#39;s not stuck on himself or Cat will admit to that. They have had that problem for many years now. Nobody can tell me otherwise. I look at every model I can every year and it&#39;s always the same...fit and finish is under par....but if that doesn&#39;t bother you, then I guess that&#39;s one less thing to worry about. Me, if I&#39;m going to spend that kind of money, then it should be up to par.

I&#39;m ordering a new sled next year and if Cat doesn&#39;t have their fit and finish up to Yammis and Ski-doo standards, then I might go to Yammi or Doo. To me, Doo has the nicest looking sleds out there. Yamaha&#39;s blue is also really nice looking on their sleds as well. I think Cat should hire some styling people from Ski-Doo so they can get things where they should be.

Anyway, Cat&#39;s arent all that bad-they arent in any way shape or form any better than the other 3 manufacturers. They all have problems.

If your still humin and hawin. All these post trying to brain wash you. I would just do it do the change. It is obvious that you want to so why kid your self and pretend that you are still undecided. Even though I am from Can and our money is monopoly money, I like that phrase in one of the last posts GREEN IS THE COLOUR OF MONEY AND WE ALL KNOW HOW MUCH WE LIKE MONEY!!!!!!! *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

Please, leave the Doo styling people where they belong - Valcourt. *Styling is very subjective and a whole can of worms in its self. *Personally, the MXZ styling can&#39;t hold a candle to the ZR&#39;s. *If you compare the styling of the ZR, MXZ, Viper, and Edge X, I would rate the MXZ last. *I won&#39;t argue that fit-finish might be different but that would not influence my decision. *As long as it stays together. *As for the REV, its a love-hate thing. *Jury&#39;s still out on that one.

My opinion.

maluchm u should realy look in to what your going to buy. the zr 8 and 9 is not the best model tey have had. the tripples are all gone. i used to be a cat man and in fact still have two old cats.the 7 u shouldnt be happy with this model cause all the 7`s lately have been dogs. but at any rate they are nice looking and still ride nice. so if u have a good dealer and thats what it realy come down to u should be ok. hope u enjoy your new rides and let us know how u made out

I think you should go ahead and try a different brand, ANY of the others. *I am not brand loyal, but happen to ride cat for the most part and am pleased with them so far, but my next sled will probably be a doo trip/trip, or a yammi. *Its good to try different sleds so that you can see what all is out there and get your OWN opinions about other brands rather than jumping on the bashing bandwagon(not saying you are). *Regarless of what sled you get, a good dealer will make all the difference in the world, so be sure to get a good one! http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I just had a chance to compare the Firecat and Rev side by side. *As far as fit and finish goes, the Firecat doesn&#39;t give away anything to the Rev. *The Rev has just as many exposed welds, nicks, mis-aligned shrouds, or whatever else describes fit and finish. *Bottom line is the Firecat looked just as clean as the Rev. *I think it would be more of a personal preference on overall looks. *Both kind of carry a love-hate look. *I&#39;ll take the Cat.

jdsmi,

Ditto, in fact, saw the firecat up close and personal today at the local dealers.... I was gonna get a ZL SS 600 EFI, with the remote start, but when he told me the Firecat was about 900 bucks cheaper, that swayed me right there.... got the black with Patriot graphics.... .can&#39;t wait till next season already....

The only thing I saw on the prototype at the shop was that it was in fact a sno pro with the 500 bolted in place of the 440....

How do I know, you may ask? Because the brake rotor / pad assembly was in the tunnel and it was the nuclear green color.... with the headlight switch built into the brake handle also.... which they are talkin about changing for the production cats.... So, You can&#39;t really compare the fit and finish of these sleds yet, you have to wait till the production versions come out. *Since this is still basically the hand built sno pro&#39;s, how can you compare that to the production version?? I know I can&#39;t..... just hafta wait and see!!!

The one I looked at had the brake in the tunnel also. *Good luck with the new sled!

http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif This little devil fits the "SNORAT" to a "T" because I know for a fact that SNORAT would be riding a ARCTIC CAT today but the ARCTIC CAT dealer would not give him anything on a trade for his POLARIS. Yes, eveyone the SNORAT was going to go GREEN until he got p&#39;d off at one of ARCTIC CAT&#39;s reps. and this is "Y" he is so against ARCTIC CAT. I know he would be riding on a CAT today if it wasn&#39;t for the AC rep. that had p&#39;d him off. SNORAT wanted a 2002 ZR 600 CROSS COUNTRY CARB. but they only made a EFI in the 600&#39;s. The AC rep told SNORAT he&#39;s the type of guy that wouldn&#39;t want EFI on his pickup, this p&#39;d off the RAT and they argued until SNORAT walked away. From then on he said he would never ride a ARCTIC CAT . But lately he said to me "you never know what I may ride next year" QUOTE. This is why I think SNORAT is so against ARCTIC CAT I know he would to this day like to owne one. The only trouble is he would have to swallow all his PRIDE and try a CAT. This would be very hard. This is why we shouldn&#39;t say things we may at a later time regrett.

maluchm. *

You are absoulutly nuts not to want the Rev. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Seriously it is plain out awsome. *No matter how well you can drive a good driver on a Rev will smoke you in the corners anyday. *

I finally got to ride one and the one thing that stuck out more then anything was the G-force in the corners. *Belive me when i say i have drivin everything. *From SRX to Tourings and nothing compairs. *It is just awsome. *This thing is on rails. *

You say you need strange in your life well this is it. *This doesnt feel like a skidoo or anyother sled its a new feel and no brand switch can give you so much change. *

It may feel a bit weird sitting on it standing still but once your moving everything comes into play and your left with only feeling amazed. *No matter how wimpy or hard you drive you walk away from this machine feeling like you just drove the crap out of it and you really didnt. *

I can honestly say that i never had more fun on a machine. *



As for the switch to AC. *Well i would not advise it after riding doo. *Just today i was helping a friend load his ZR800 on a trailer. *It was one of those tilt jobs. *Anyway i didnt want to crash into the front so i got about half way up on the trailer and needed to move up. *I gave it throttle and the rpms went up but i didnt move. *I smelled burning belt right away. *I had to pull it of and get a better run. *After i loaded his panter and had the same problem. *I never had a belt sliping problem with a doo. I always feel like i could tow or pull anything. *

Also from my experience with cats they go though starters and reverses faster then i go through gas. *

They also have sensor problems confirmed to me by a dealer. *When asked how to fix it he said to hit the top of the sensor with a hammer, that it happens all the time. *

Fit and finish is just not acceptable. *And when i say fit and finish im not talkiing about welds im talking about wiring and placement. *Even decoration. *I mean common were paying 10000+cdn for a sled it should look damm nice. *And in that department doo is second to none. *

Im not trying to keep you with doo. *I just know that if you dont look at the REV you will kick yourself later because it truly is remarkable wether it looks good or not.

machzzzzz1, if your buddies belt is slipping while just loading it on the trailer, he has clutching problems and needs to work on his secondary. *It isn&#39;t the sleds fault it is set up wrong. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif * I have only had the belt slip once on me and after I applied more pressure to it, no problems since in that area.
You realy need to talk to doo so you can get paid for all your advertising too. *You are the ultimate doo rep!!haha http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I had a chance to see the F5 up close this past weekend at a
local dealer that was refered to me by everybody that I
asked that lives around me. Yes, it did have the brake in
the tunnel, headlamp switch integrated in the brake lever
and a shorter shofter seat then what is supposed to be on
the production sled. I liked what I saw but I did see some
things that I questioned a bit like routing of wires, a *
loose steering assembly and that air induction screen. The
dealer also mentioned to me that if I get any of the special
graffics packeages that I won&#39;t be able to order them later
seperatly if the hood gets wrecked or something! *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
The tool set is directly under my "Family Jewels" if you
know what I mean and the rear portion is made out of that
dense stirefoam (?) like they make cheap coolers out of. I
guess it&#39;s not new on Cats but it&#39;s new to me. Lighter and
stiffer was the reasons I got. All in all I liked the sled
and I&#39;m still considering going out on a limb and ordering
one. The Firecats have a one year warenty while the ZR has a
two year and a no payments for six months option.

I thought it was kind of interesting how they could take the
ZR hood and bend it in half without damage but with the F7
that would be imposable! For roughly $8500 (OTD) for the ZR
900 Snopro and $7500 (OTD) for the F7 Snopro I might be in
the position to pick these up.

One more thing, when I asked the salesman if anybody had
ridden the Firecats he directed me to and article attached
to the handle bars from one of the snowmobile mag&#39;s that
highly praised the sled and said that it had a lot of power
but it wasn&#39;t a quote or anything just a typed paragraph
that had hand written on it how it was taken from some
magazine. Not real official looking or anything! *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Machzzzz1

I&#39;ve been on Cats for three seasons now, since I&#39;ve started sledding. From the beginnng, well at least until I got used to how to ride a sled, my bud and I are pretty aggressive riders. All told, we have logged about 7500 miles each in those three seasons. So, we are not rookies anymore; as of today, I&#39;ve owned a 99 Z370 (new), 99 Z440 Sno Pro (new) and now own a 2000 ZR440 Sno Pro (almost new). My latest sled is a really awsome machine in it&#39;s own right. Every time I get done with a hard day&#39;s thrashing the woops and ditches and whatever I can throw at this thing, I can only say "man, I love this thing". Nothing out there, no matter the brand, has caught my attention as a future replacement for the Sno Pro; in fact, I pretty much figured that I would own nothing less than a Sno Pro. Then the F5/F7 comes out. I&#39;m giving these babys a serious look because I am one that want&#39;s as light a sled as possible. That said, I for one, can&#39;t help but be REALLY interested in the REV. I am hard core Cat and find myself forced to consider what this sled has to offer. I am putting aside the typical other brand bullcrap aside for now to give this sled a chance. In all reality, motor aside, and although this is a Ski-Doo, it&#39;s not a Ski-Doo, it&#39;s not a Cat, or Pol, or Yami, I think it&#39;s a direction arrow to the future of sleds. As all the other sled makers are trying to centralize sled weight as well as make them lighter, I&#39;ve to to admit that REV may forever change the way sleds in the future will be made, by putting the rider way more forward as well as centralizing the sleds on weight. Hat&#39;s off to Doo for having put this one out there to be judged by the public. I&#39;d REALLY, REALLY like to get Morgan&#39;s true thoughts on the REV since he&#39;s raced the REV as well as Sno Pros. Here are my questions for you, since you&#39;ve ridden one.

1. How is the REV for standup riding and is it easier to quickly standup compared to a regular sled.
2. Are balance mistakes, say going fast around turns, less forgiving or about the same. Did the sled ever feel tippy.
3. How does if feel when you rip over woops. From what I&#39;ve gathered, with your body closer to the center of the sled, it has way less effect on the rider because your not hanging out over ther rear of the skid like on standard sleds.
4. By leaning forward more than a regular sled, did your hands or wrists get fatigued at all.
5. What, be honest, didn&#39;t you like about it.

Ill get the bad out of me first. *What I didnt like was the way the sled felt so narrow when sitting on it. *I also dont care for the snowflap thing at the back. *And lastly i dont like fact that its not a tripple.

What i did like about it was the fact that you control it using more then just the handle bars. *Just by moving your weight a little forward you can really dig the skis in for a amazing turn. *

Like i said the thing turns on rails the gforce will hurt your arms in the corner. *Normally a regular sled would spin out or flip but this thing just grabs. *

When you hit a washboard area or a rough part of the trail you just pivot in the middle and you hardle feel anything.

I love how when you look down you can see the back of the skis and i love the new way of turning. *YOu know the old way of turning where you had to lean out with your arms fully extended. *On this thing you just lean forward and a bit to the side and it just goes. *Because of this new way of leaning there is a redused risk in spining out by over leaning. *

I like how you worded it. *About not being a skidoo cat or pol. *That was my feelings. *I didnt like this thing, *I dont like change and i didnt like this new concept. *But it feels like somthing totally diffrent and awsome. *And even though its a skidoo motor and a skidoo chassie with skidoo parts you would never know your driving one because its just so diffrent. *

Before you buy anything everyone must ride the REV and see for your self. *You will be amazed how diffrent riding in the future will be.