WINDER on 3/17/2002 3:05:00 AM
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I haven't rode one but this is what I saw with my own two eyes, as God is my witness.
Several weeks ago a group of us went to Cooke City, Mt. As many of you know Yamaha does a great deal of testing and calibration of their mountain sleds in CC after their public introductions. During the time we where in CC, Yamaha was for whatever purpose running the RX-1 up and down the trail(closed highway 212) east of town. Yamaha had with them a 800 Summit and 800RMK. Where ever you saw the RX-l you saw one or both of these sleds running with it. Undoubtely they where running comparison testing. Did I see the RX-l in a direct side by side battle? NO. but this is what I and several others did witiness.
One morning we where waiting for the group to assemble at the outskirts of CC, for those of you that don't know Cooke City is a very small town (Pop.100 or so and 50 dogs). The highway going east of town is closed during the winter and is groomed. This trail leads to Wyo. and has very heavy sled traffic. While we where waiting, milling around a RX-l followed by the summit was pulling out of town. We all motioned for the rider's to get on it!!! as they passed by at about 5 mph.
Well it appeared they reacted. I have never seen a sled disappear so fast as the Yamaha. The trail runs straight and wide for approximately 400 yards then sweeps to the left in a long curve, When the RX-l was into the curve by some distance the summit was still in the straight section. Where both riders really getting on it? I have no idea, all I do know is that every member in our group (every brand but cat) commented, Like, Holy ####!! did you see and hear that, awesome, again that sled moved out faster that anything I have seen on the trail.
There are way to many variables to consider in my sighting, but I must say with out reservation, I and every member of my group was totally impressed.

That must have been something! The only question I have is - do you really think the summit guy was giving it his all, I mean how would it look to the public at this point if it were a close race seeing as they were obviously testing the yamaha - Dont get me wrong - I think the yamaha will rock in straight line power, but I have my reservations about all the yamaha marketing hype. Im constantly reading about it being the fastest sled ever. until I get a report that is unbias Ill keep my money.....(I hope it is that fast, ill buy one&#33http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif Just a thought http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

I think the rx-1 will be fast, *but come on allready about being a stock speed king. * any modded 700 srx or or any modded 800 *will be faster or at least as fast as a stock rx-1.
*I have seen many posts on a few forums raving about the speed of it, *like there has never been a sled that has gone that fast.
also, rumors are that top end is not all that faster than many top stocks out there now.

yammyrider think about what you are saying, [/U]mod sleds are that fast. now mod that RX1 and see how fast I can make it.

" I have never seen a sled disappear so fast as the Yamaha."

That is what i hear every time the subject of the rx-1 is brought about. *I never said that you couldn't make it faster. *It's just that people think this new machine is like a stealth aircraft, haven't they ever seen fast sleds before?
*The rave on this sled of these people make it sound as if it will be a 175mph sled. *It would have to be to live up to any of the hype.
*In fact I will may own one in a year or two. *I would expect it to be up there *with the other top dogs, but not blow them away.
* * *remember.. *there is ALWAYS someone faster.

True, there will always be someone faster. *Also, there is a difference between someone saying it disapears (acellerates) faster than anything they have ever seen compared to it's the fastest sled out there. *I don't think anyone said it's the fastest, they said it accellerates faster. Lets say the RX-1 and MachZ have the same exact top end but the RX-1 gets there quicker, won't it look like the RX-1 is faster? *Actually, won't it mean it is faster?

I think yamaha should have let the sled do the talking like ski-doo did with the rev on the track. Last time i checked the new ski-doo rev is spanking everything on the track. This translates to better suspension and better acceleration.



Last edited by toydoc at April 09, 2002, 05:53am

Well, I'm sure that the RX-1 would do the talking if it only would be out on the market....I mean, it is now...but the orders haven't been "delivered" *once people start receiving theirs, you better watch out, because I'm sure there will be one on every trail, and one in all of your rear-view mirrors, gaining on you fast.

iT'S PROBABLY SAFER IF YAMAHA DOESN'T HAVE ONE ON THE MARKET, THIS WAY THEY CAN CLAIM ANYTHING THEY WANT. SKI-DOO PUT THEIR MONEY WHERE THERE MOUTH WAS AND PUT THE NEW REV ON THE RACE TRACK BEFORE THEY WERE AVAILABLE.



Last edited by toydoc at April 09, 2002, 05:55am

Doo might want to conserve alittle of that money. *I talked to three Doo dealers today about why there are so many REV commercials on Fox sports and they all said because nobody is ordering the REV. *At least not in the numbers that they need to pay for the devlopment of it. * They gave me two reasons why it isn't selling: *The people that can afford it think it's ugly while the other think it's too much. Not speaking trash here, just reporting what I was told.

Yamaha has ran the RX-1 on the track...I am not sure where but I know it was some big oval event in alaska. I was told it got radared at 110 on the straight. I don't know if thats fast for an oval or not but thats what I was told. As far as ski-doo putting their money where there mouths are...thats true but that just means they support racing...its to bad they don't put the money where there sleds are! *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

My dealer allready spring ordered 14 of them. *Me being #7. *He said it was the fastest selling sled there and the only reason more people arnt buying right now is because they know little about it and want to see and ride one. *My dealer had one in his showroom for 2 days then an other dealer got it. *Its hard to sell when people cant even see what there buying.

I bet 90% of the people buying RX-1's never saw it.

I think the yammi riders are just excited to have new sled that is supposed to perform. I have brand loyalty but i believe ski-doo is the best all around sled, performance, ride, looks, and ski-doo stands behind there screw ups and fixes them, not like the other brands that i and many others have witnessed first hand. They all have there strong points i just think ski-doo has the best all around sled.



Last edited by toydoc at April 12, 2002, 07:22am

I use to think that about Doo speed is everything.

speed is everything, Any *brand rider should be excited to have new sled. We should all be happy for them.

I have edited your past post as best I can to still have your point in it.
Your point from what I read is you like ski-doo more than Yamaha. Super, we have no problem with that.

I'm asking you to add helpful post about Yamaha's (your in the Yamaha fourm).
Thanks for your attention on this issue, toydoc

buying a sled with out seeing it. I doubt it.
Ask your self. would you spend 11,000 - 12,000 for a sled you haven't seen? i for one would not.
a friend of mine has one on order, but even he was smart enough to hold on to his 2001 xcr 800 until he gets to test ride it(rx-1).
he went to Peterborough to see it. they would not let him sit on it for what ever reason, but he like the looks and bought one. He hopes it will live up to what yamaha is claiming but no one will know until they are on snow.
as for those that bought them after selling the sled they had i hope you made the right dicision.
if not well Skidoo is still there.



Last edited by phazerhater at May 14, 2002, 12:41pm

I ordered my two RX-1 ER Limiteds without seeing them except the promo net clip. Alot of people, in fact most people bought the rx-1 without seeing it.
Caleb

sure hope the sled looks close to the picture page and videos



Last edited by toydoc at May 14, 2002, 06:29am

I will ask all members to add to the YAMAHA fourm with helpful info or don't post..
If in any way I think your post will cause a problem I will edit or remove it.

Thank you, toydoc

Ski-Dood: Not that I'm sticking up for Yamaha, but I was asking my co-worker who has ordered an RX-1 & saw it in Orillia. he said they let him sit on the sled there. I can't see why they wouldn't let people sit on a sled.

http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif * My friend rides a 99 mountain max and bought the rx-1 ( put his deposit on it.) He saw it at a yamaha promo tour i think as well as seeing it on many sled shows so he cant wait. I will be riding it as well and we can do some side by sides with his 700 tripple and my machine to get actual facts, witch i am sure most new owners of this sled will be doing. Just my 2 cents

It amazes me to think a 4 stroke is capable of laying down so much torque off of a dead start.

well im not shure that it will be all as quick as they say. when they put the rx1 in the 700 class for drags that puts things in perspective. i think it will have top end but not as strong as the machzs and others but again for a 4 strock it is very impresive

Actually, as has been stated in other threads, being placed in the 700 class DOES mean something for the RX-1.

Rememer, a 4 stroke engine only makes power every other time the piston reaches TDC. *Consequently, it should only make half as much power as a 2 stroke engine.

Bieng placed in a performance class with only 70% of the displacement instead of 50% of the displacement would indicate that the designers at Yamaha have done their homework.

How much money does it cost to build and design a 700 twin 2 stroke?

And how much money does it cost to build and design the R1 1000cc 4 stroke?

My guess is if you spent the money that it cost to build and design that 1000 cc Rx1 motor *on a 700 twin. *You would see a %50 diffrence in power if not more.

I'm soooooo sick of listening to this RX-1 crap. It's a conventional 140hp 600lb snowmobile guys...nothing more. ISR put it with the 700's cause it can't run with the 800's and it certainly is not this 126+mph mystery phantom the rumor mill has created. The fact that it can compete with 700's is amazing...in most applications a 4 stroker of 1000ccs would only make enough power to compete with 500-600cc two strokers. *So unless yammy has come up with some super efficient drive train that puts more hp to the track ( which is doubtful...I've yet to see a first year Yammy even close on clutching) this thing will run with the 700's....and that's it!

I garantee the RX-1 will do that speed. *I know for a fact that it did 122 on a gps with less than 300 miles on its engine.

but guys please keep 1 thing in mind yamaha are famous for putting out protto types that are not like production... i was there when we tested out the phazer when it came out and i tell u no word of a lie it just smoked the vmax and the indy 600 and the formula plus at that time . it wasnt even close . i tried it and it would pull on these sleds hard like 5-10 sleds in 750feet and then just keep pulling . the production..... not that impresive. the vmax 4 the very same deal. im not knocking the new 4strock i think its great and is very impresive but a history track is a history track.

I agree with yamahas track record when it comes to these things. *And I also dont think it will be as fast as a mach. *lets face it guys. *If they put it in the 700 class its not going to compeat with the 800s..

However i would buy this sled on sound alone. *It is going to be an awsome trail sled.

One Word,


TURBO http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif

http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/withstupid.gif , but I prefere two words, Supercharged also!!!!!!
Caleb

hmmmm interesting topic. One question, has anyone especially the buyers, actually road on one and put it to the bar to post this info.
If not, then how can anyone say how its going to perform?
ive heard all the bull 126 miles per hour 135 and up 140 miles per hour. maybe it will maybe it won't.
But until we have snow and some concrete results no one will know *how fast it will be.
But one thing i can say and know for sure, this sled looks very nice and for a 4 stroke it has turned some heads to the future of snowmobiling. 2 strokes are getting better pollution counts but the 4 stroke is here and i'm sure it is here to stay.

So mighty your saying you know for a fact that RX1 did over 120 MPH with only 300 miles on the motor. I'm confused because you say they have a 20hrs rev limiter of just over 8000 rpm. So with only 300 mile on it, its still not reving at 10000 grand. *Imagine what it will do once the rev limiter is off. LOL *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif



Last edited by phazerhater at July 29, 2002, 11:30pm

What can the average guy do with a 600 lb sled, when the rev limiter limits clutch speed to around 6000 rpm and the engine turns 8000, which is a mere 3/4 throttle for 20 hours. Give it to your dad for the first season? These motors rev much higher on their bikes. Yamaha must be afraid of break in and wear at cold temps. This keeps motors tighter longer. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif

very good point hauler, my guess is this sled was shipped without the limiter activated. *The guy that rode it had his gps with him and varified the speed. *He didn't say anything about how high it reved but I doubt he made that speed with the rev limiter on.

Another good point sharkey, I wonder if it isn't more like 2 hours?http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif???

Right M-RX-1. If they would say 2-400miles of riding, people could get that on in a 3 day or so period. This would make people not shy away as much from the 4 banger.

Here is an interesting point to consider. The Mach Z is a TRUE 155 horses on the dyno. We all have to reallize that these numbers are a achieved after the jetting has been changed to accomodate the test conditions. What I am getting at is that the Mach Z does not produce these numbers out of the box because out of the box the sled is tuned to be reliable and perform under a variety of conditions as opposed to tuning it specifically like they do when they throw it on the dyno. So how many horses is the fastest sled on the market (the Mach Z) capable of out of the box? Who knows, but it is probably around the mid to low 140's due to the two strokes inconsistancy. Four strokes are far more consistant than two strokes which means that out of the box the RX-1 will produce numbers much closer to what the dyno reveals. If the RX-1 is showing 145 on thedyno then it is more than possible that this motor will be around 140 out of the box. When you take this into consideration along with the fact that it has far more torque then my point is clear. The question is will Yamaha clutch it well enough out of the box to get the power to the ground. I trully believe they will but not in time for this season and that is going to be the problem. The sled has the potential but will all this potential be unlocked and lets not forget that we are comparing an 800 to a 1000. Either way its pretty impressive for a four stroke.

99srx700, you left out the T-cat in your comparison. *It does dyno more than the Mach Z out of the box. *Also, it is clutched like crap out of the box. *That's why some Mach Z's will beat some T-cat's in a race. *Just adding to the conversation.

Jayjay your right, I always leave out the T-Cat because I have never seen them run good but if they are clutched bad out of the box that might be why. In my experience the mach z has been the winner but I am sure that 1000 could do much better than what I have seen.