Which oil do you use

i run torco 100% syn. its pricy but i love it

Amsoil for 2000km in my Mach Z.

Castrol for 8000km in my MXZ.

The Mxz Rave valves have never been cleaned and i just checked them. *Castrol is a very clean oil but has a strong smell that you either like or hate. *

I rate Amsoil and Castrol Syntec very high. *Have had very good luck with both of them.

Bombardiers brand name oil. only have 4500 km on the sled but it works great for me.
i have my raves cleaned every year but they really don't need it.
I also have the engine aligned and have the carbs and clutches cleaned every year.
Helps when the first good snow comes. less chance of not getting to ride on it.

Amsoil, for the last 2 years, with no problems.
For the price and availability, you can't go wrong.

FishHog

Klotz -1500 miles in my 2002 MXZ 700, and 500 miles on my wife's 2001 Formula Deluxe 600. *Rave's look great, and it smells soooo good!

AMSOIL has given me excellent results for two years

I've used Amsoil for 2 years now too. Last winter while on a week trip the guys following me complained about the smell, but that was after I had to use the Ski-doo synthetic. I've had the sister in law complain about the Amsoil too. *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

Has anyone else had complaints when using Amsoil?

i stared using maxima snowmobile racing oil and have been loving it, very little smoke and a good price.

Amsoil 2000 in everything. *Its kinda pricy... but not when you consider the cost of your investments. *OK OK investments is not the right word..... http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

Ski-Doo synthetic. *No problems! http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

I would rather have people complain about the smell of amsoil then have them laugh at me because my engine is seized.

Me too.

The first ride I took this year, I was following my buddy, and noticed the smell from his Amsoil. *Figured I just wasn't used to it. *But 60km later, when his oil light came on, we realized his oil pump was stuck wide open, and he burnt 4 L of amsoil in 60km's. *Once we fixed that, I never noticed it again.

FishHog

I'm true to the Ski-Doo brand 2-Stroke Oil. *It seems to work very well. *Like I said beforem why change a good thing.

I buy my oil at Fleet Farm for $8.99 to $9.99 a gal. for my "01" ZR800. So far no problems *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

* *Auggie

Not all oils are the same nor is the OEM oil(s) best for every engine type and size. I have seen many Polaris fans which did not like (they carbon) the current (blue) Polaris oil although the 340s seem to run very clean with it. I think the previous red Polaris oil was better for fan cooled engines while it was maybe not quite as good for the liquid cooled.

I have run both Cabela's Signature TC-W3 in one 488 fan (14,500 miles) and Citgo Premium outboard in other 488s with very good wear and engine cleanliness. The newer versions of Pennzoil: Premium Multi-Purpose outboard and their Snowmobile seem also to be good oils. Oil and gasoline deposits probably do more *damage to engines than any lubrication failures. I think it is worth watching for that and correcting it by fixing any oil rate problems or switching to oils which are better suited to a particular engine. Bad oils are harder to find than good ones. Some just aren't as well suited to certain engines than others.

I found that after a 1000 miles of running Castrol regular oil, there was a lot of carbon on the face of the RAVE valves and they were almost stuck in the cylinder. With the Amsoil, the valves are still nice and free to slide.

I am using Blue Marble Oil,.. vitually smokeless and odorless. I am running it in my 02 EDGE X 700. *I have cleaned my Valves now 4 times,.. and since using the Marble oil they are virtually carbo deposit free !! *good stuff.[URL=http://hometown.aol.com/indymax7500/index.html]

http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif Castrol *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif * Love the smell it makes http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif

Amsoil is working great for me. So well that I became a dealer.

http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif "I liked it so much, I bought the company." http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

I started using Klotz this year,but with all the great info on Amsoil I might switch,and start using it in my ZR 440.Thanks all!! http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Amsoil...first year using, three sleds, so far so good. *I'll know more once I take a look at the power valves on the ZR. *I would like to do a side by side versus Torco though, (comparing power valve condition)this oil interests me also.

I used amsoil this year and no complaints, people who ride behind actually like the smell and I doo to. Only thing is that I had to readjust the oil pump because it is really liquid, pour point is a lot lower than OEM.

Amsoil, have run this brand of oils for over 20 years with no problems....

I use SkiDoo reg oil...no problems...no complaints..thinking of running amsoil in my Trail Monster next year though http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

Rocketman: do you not notice a lot of carbon buildup on your RAVE valves withthe Ski-doo oil?

Castrol. *seems to be the most available at Canadian Tire aswell as the local gas pumps.

i am a bit concerned about this carbon build up in the RAVE valves http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

I *used *Klotz *for *the *last *two *winters *with *no *problems
and *will *be *running *it *again *this *winter *when *my *sled *gets *broke *in.

Alscool, I found I had a lot of build up on the RAVE valves when I was using the regular Castrol oil. Some now with the Amsoil, but nearly as much. I clean the valves every 1000 miles.

I use the Ski-doo oil In my MXZ. I even used the Ski-doo oil in my old 79 polaris. I have not cleaned my raves yet.

Have you checked to see if they are still moving?

Amsoil user for over 10 years with zero problems. *Listen to this one; remember when the 800 Ski-doo twin had the piston recall? *My mechanic (ski-doo,Yamaha) did many recalls and noted that on the sleds that used amsoil there was no scuffing on the cylinders. *He said that every other sled he did the lower half of the cylinders were scuffed.

I wonder if Amsoil know that?

I have used Shell. *Haven't a problem, but I don't ride a premium sled *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I look forward to running the Polaris though. *Triple 650.

'shell' doesn't sound like something you'd wanna to do an engine..

I run their gas, because they don't add methyl or ethyl alcohol like Sunoco or Pioneer. I don't know what the additive Petro Canada uses to formulate their "Winter Gas"

I add my own iso that I get at Wal Mart.

I was at a snowmobile show a few years back, and they had on display the new improved Shell Advance. *

I don't know if I was dreaming or not, but I'm sure they said it was the same grade as Bombardier.

Bombardier oil is produced by castrol.

I think it is best to stay with your factory sled oil... Its whats designed for your sled~

Was running Shell Synthetic all last season.. no probs. *When I pulled the head off late in the season, I checked out the RAVE's... they were perfect. *I am getting a new sled and the dealer will sell me Bombardier Oil in bulk at a good price if I bring a Jerry can so thats what I will do next season.

I read somewhere that you are not supposed to run any type of outboard 2 stroke oil in a sled as they usually contain some kind of mineral oil additive.

Did anyone read the two different reviews on the Fitch fuel catalyst? *Snowtech (supposedly the good mag)... gave it somewhat of a good review, a different mag (for get the one), pretty well mocked it, almost sounded like they considered it a joke. *Anyone know anything about this or has anyone tried it? *Could this replace the use of ISO?

It may be a good deal, but the Bombi or Castrol (what it really is) will gum up your RAVE valves. See if he'll give you a deal on the XPS synthetic. The one thing against it is, that the XPS stinks up your exhaust. I don't know what it's like for keeping the RAVE valves clean.

See if you can locate a Shell bulk fuel dealer around. They might be able to give you a good price on the synthetic.

Have you looked for an Amsoil dealer in your area?

How does this fuel catalyst work? Is it something you splice into your fuel line?

I want to run synthetic oil. *I had no prob with the Shell but it was pretty pricey.

The fuel catalyst is a pellet thing that you drop into your fuel tank on a semi permament basis. *It does sound fishy to me so I have my doubts.

Here is a link...
http://www.fitchfuelcatalyst.com/geninfo.html

I wonder if people will think Ficht, 2 stroke developers have something to do with it? Wouldn't be the first time something like that has been done http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif

castrol very well may make oil for bombardier, but it would be to bombardier spec's.

Ski-doo's specs: "Change the colour & make it cheaper for us (Bombi) to buy it from you or we'll find a cheaper supplier. Then we can make more money when we sell it for more than your own branded oil."

I use OEM but im want to start using amsoil soon.

well right now i use cat oil but i will have to use ams when i start racing if i want sponsors http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

So, can you guys tell me what is so great about million dollar a gallon synthetic oil other than it smells great and you dont have to get off your lazy butts and clean your valves once a year?
I could see using this stuff if you were going to keep your sled forever but in the 'how long do you keep your sled poll' that is not going to happen. Or maybe in an ultra high performance 10,000-12,000 rpm sled.
Does it make your sled faster, like 6-8 sleds? Someone convince me! By the way, I use $10.00 a gal.Yamalube, put 7-8000 on before it's retired and never had a problem in the many many years i've used it!

I to run Amsoil and had no problems, better than running Polaris Ves oil. * 2002 XC800, 1500miles. *But also heard bad things to that it doesn't coat internal parts as well as others. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

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i use amsoil cant complain its been good to me

In my 20 years in the snowmobile repair industry,I have yet to see an engine fail because the owner used the oem oil. Stick ti what the sled manufacturer recommends and you will always be OK * http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif RB

02 ZR-800cce. I started off last season using Cat's synthetic oil they recomend. Nothing but trouble with the valves sticking. Switched over the reg Amsoil syn and ran nearly 2000 miles with no valve problems. I took them out yesterday for cleaning, no build up to speak of, just gave them a light spray with carb cleaner wiped and put them back in. Amsoil is much cheaper, smokes less and *keeps the valves clean. Sounds like a good deal to me. *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *Rick.

I use synthetic for these reasons,
1. much less smoke
2. no plug fouling
3. very clean burning, little carbon build up
4.more environmentally friendly, if you care about that stuff
5. the stuff I use isn't that much more than petro OEM oil

Thought I'd bring this one back as it has more brand choices that the other poll.

This is easy, as it should be.

Amsoil

1- It's a synthetic, very little residue left behind.
2- With a little shopping can be had very reasonably. Not *much, if anything, *available that's as effective in it's price range.
3- Easily available. Mixes with others when necessary.
4- been out for years, proven track record
5- Did I say it's cheap?
6- Good rust protection while machine is in storage. Not all synthetics can say this.

Yes, I'm a big fan. No, I have nothing to gain from a sale.
AL

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I couldn't agree more.

FishHog

TO EACH HIS OWN http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif *WISH I HAD MONEY TO BURN http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif

I brought this poll back to life because it had more choices than the 1 DoobieDoo started.

I have run Castrol Super Snowmobile oil in all my sleds and works great.

I use shell advance low odour low smoke (not synthetic) and I swear by it no carbon build up and well like I said low smoke, "I love the smell of two stroke smoke but!" :D

I used to run klotz for years in my sleds with great results, No problems at all. But Unless I stocked up on it early in the season I had troubles finding it later. :angry: I switched to Spectro Syn-Sno a fully synthetic oil that I have not had any problems with in the last two years, and I have had no troubles obtaining it either. For those of you who like an oil to smell good check this on out a full synthetic that smells like Stawberries when it burns.. :D I have ridden with people that run this and it does have a strong sweet strawberry smell to it. I Think it is an Italian oil the name of it is Ipone.
Heres the link check it out..

http://www.iponeusa.com/

Klotz here also.... it just smells fast ... :D

anything i can get my hands on.... :thumbsup:

Spectro syn-sno . it good stuff and the smell is good.

i ran amsoil for about 3000 miles last yr, then i tried regular irving oil which i had run in all my sleds prio to owning a sled with power valves, i have to say i didnt notice any change in gas mileage and performance. but my sled did run cleaner, so i will run a synthetic again this yr.

I use Amsoil. Have over 10000 km on my sled and it still runs great.

Golden Spectro SYNSNO no smell, burns clean and vey little smoke. :D

Klotz Snowmobile Injector oil. It is the best there is and it smells good. Torco and Amsoil Race 2000 are also good with little to no smell. Any of these three will perform flawlessly. I like the Klotz because they make so many good products for racers.

i used klotz last season, and was very impressed with it. loved the low pour point and the smell.But the price seemed to creap up towards the end of riding--to the point where i was paying $10 a gallon MORE than my buddy who was running Amsoil. He found a small shop that had Amsoil in 55 gallon drums, and he just brings empty gallon jugs and they fill em up---for a major $avings!! And in my opinion, they are both excellent all-around oils for sleds, so i guess i'm switching to Amsoil this year!!

Motul Synth

i just switched to redline oil,all my buddies run it with no problems,i have always used amsoil,but my valves plugged on my 03 zr 800,and 01 mxz 600,so i swithced s still use amsoil in my boat,and truck.......

I have been running castrol for the last 20,000 miles or so in all my Cats and never an oil related problem yet. In fact, of all my engine breakdowns to date, since 1980, not one of them can be contributed to an oil problem. I don't even know anybody with an oil related engine failure. I think whatever oil your used to using or makes you happy is good, I quit buying cat oil years ago, in fact at one time my dealer said castrol was cat oil.

Castrol seems to flow real good when it's cold and it don't cost much :D :D

I have even heard that synthetic oil dosen't stay on crank bearings very well, not good for cold startup I would think, don't really know much about synthetic. ;) ;)

I use AMSoil. If it's good enough for "the Dude" it's good enough for me. Right Jawz

I use Polaris Synthetic II, I love the smell of it!!! :D
I'm going to switch to Amsoil though just because its about half of the price.

I was using Polaris VES but changed to IPONE and couldn't believe the diff. was night and day. great stuff. and an awsome smell. :p :inlove:

KLOTZ!! Works great, but price and mostly avaliability is the reason I may switch to amsoil. I heard fleet farm may even be selling amsoil now. THE MANS MALL!!!! :D

:) Hello.

Me and almost all of my riding buddies are using Shell Advance VSX-2 with great results !
This oil is a Semi synthetic oil.
Here in Sweden it has won several oil tests against many full synthetic oil's to !!
We have used it for the past 5 years now and it is realy a clean burning oil
both in the exhaust systems and spark plug's

SWRules

:thumbsup: I know I've asked this question before, but has anyone tried Inline Synthetic snowmobile oil? I seen it for sale many places this past year and it was only about $12 a gallon

Which oil do you use
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Quaker State Full Synthetic 2 cycle oil for my Doo 500ss and Mobile One 0w-40 for my Doo V-1000 4 stroker.

I'm sure getting screwed up here on oil. Yamalube is $25 US for one US Gal. AMSoil is about $30 US for one US Gal. :bash: :bash: :(

Ryan

shell advance,no problems yet. :D

Amsoil Interceptor

I have been using shell advance for a couple of years now. I've heard good things about AMSOIL so I am going to try it this year. Not cheap though 36.00$ cdn a gallon. After reading this stream of posts I am thinking that there is no real difference between a 10.00$ gallon of oil and a 40.00$ gallon. Well for this year I will be using the 2 gallons of AMSOIL HP that I bought. Any insight on this would be great.

Can you mix Shell Advance and AMSIOL HP? Or do I have to drain everything before I put it in?

I use Arctic Cat oil in my ZL, but my friends are telling me Blue Marble is the best so I think I'm gonna switch...

shell advance with no problems

Just switched to Amsoil this year.

I have run the Shell Advanced for the past 3 years in my ZR580 and in-laws ZL700, both running fine and clean inside!!

Shell advance synthetic works great, no deposits left on the VES and its cheap.
You can buy it from a shell distributor for around $120 (can) for 4 gallons.

I run interceptor, but had to buy some shell advance on the trail as I was running low, and was shocked how similar they seem. I wouldn't be the least surprised to find out they are bottled by the same manufacturer.

FishHog

I am burning the last jug of the APV oil that was thrown in with my sled and have decided to go with Ipone. I was considering Bardahl but decided on the Ipone because nobody close sells the Bardahl. I would have had to order from Royal and when you add shipping it isn't that much more for the Ipone. The -54 C pour point and the fact that my dealer uses it over APV sold me on it. Not sure about the Strawberry smell, hope it dosen't smell like Klotz! I hate that smell.

Citgo Sea and Snow Semi-synthetic. With the current local price of Polaris Blue being up around $40 /gallon, it makes zero sense to buy OEM, not that I ever really have. My old reliable rig, tallying nearly 20,000 miles has drunk Citgo for most of those miles with only a ring job once. Look at the test specs sometime if you're into such technicality and compare; Sea and Snow is as good as any and better than most oil in the mineral based / semi oils for traditional two-strokes. At $10.50 a gallon plus shipping, I can get it landed including the outrageous air freight we are required to use to get it in roadless Alaska these days, for around $16 /gallon so it is a bargain compared to anything else and, as I said before, a good product.

Doo synthetic.

I run interceptor, but had to buy some shell advance on the trail as I was running low, and was shocked how similar they seem. I wouldn't be the least surprised to find out they are bottled by the same manufacturer.[/b]

Fishie, the shell advance only has a pour point of -42 C compared to -58F(WOW) with the Amsoil. I dont like riding in either of those temps personally, lol. Point being they are NOT the same oil.

Perm

good point Perm. I was actually meaning to check that out to see if they were similar. Price wise, I'm sticking with Amsoil anyway.

FishHog

OEM. I use Poo VES II in my XC and I used Yamalube 2-S in my '90 Phazer II.

Shell for me !

Yamaha 4S for the Ol' 4 Stroke

Blue Marble. Virtually smokeless and odorless. Good stuff.

i use Polaris Brand

I've been using Amsoil for years now. Never ever had any issues. It is a little pricy but for the amount I use in a season (half a case if I'm lucky) it's worth the peice of mind.

I've been using Amsoil Interceptor for two seasons now with good luck. Just recently though my dealer gave me a good deal on a couple gallons of Doo Blend oil so I tried that. I'll tell you one thing, if you want a headache and a runny nose then this is the oil for you. We had to shut the sleds down everytime we where idleing.

Going to try Citgo Sea and Snow this season. :thumbsup: Seems like a quality product and the price is right.

I use good ole' doo semi synthetic and nuttin else!

Brian

Running Castrol in both the wifes sled and my own. We are very easy on them, gently trail rode under ideal conditions most of the time. Just can't justify the big-dollar oils in our case.

Klotz in my last 3 Doo's, My 97 Mach-Z had nearly 15,000 miles on it!! My 05 Rev 800HO has almost 5,000 miles, No issues

i ran amsoil in my 05 polaris ss last year and it was wonderful..actually i love the smell..i pulled my coat out the other day and that smell was still on it and it made me excited it smells like snowmobiling. i just bought a 06 switchback 600 and plan on running it in there too ...also i rode almost 300 miles in one night with amsiol i also put on 1311 miles last winter on that sled and it ran great!!!

Hmmm .... let me think :unsure:

amsoil interseptor user here

My '03 Rev has about 14,000 k's on it. For the first 3K, I ran it on doo synthetic. Being a typical series 3, the rings flaked and I had new ones installed by the dealer.

Since then I've run amsoil interceptor. Just this summer my engine was torn down and there was virtually no wear and no carbon build up.

I clean my raves every 2 to 3K,

It was suggested that I continue using whatever oil I was using.

I will.

I use Shell Advance in my '96 Formula SLS. 11,000km and still runs like new.

When my current supply of KLOTZ is gone, I'll be going back to running YAMALUBE 2S in my CATZ

Amsoil Interceptor.....

Has anyone out there used Sea & Snow by Citgo? Does it have current specs and if so would anyone try it? $12 a gallon compared to $30 something for Amsoil sounds good to me.

Has anyone out there used Sea & Snow by Citgo? Does it have current specs and if so would anyone try it? $12 a gallon compared to $30 something for Amsoil sounds good to me.
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I'm going to try it this season, from the specs on their website the oil compares very close to the Doo XPS synthetic blend oil if not better in some cases. One thing that I like was the it had a pour point of -40f. Gander Mtn has it now for $8.99 a gallon BTW :thumbsup:

Here is a link to the topic I started
Citgo Sea & Snow (http://www.snowmobileworld.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=63768&hl=)

I'm going to try it this season, from the specs on their website the oil compares very close to the Doo XPS synthetic blend oil if not better in some cases. One thing that I like was the it had a pour point of -40f. Gander Mtn has it now for $8.99 a gallon BTW :thumbsup:

Here is a link to the topic I started
Citgo Sea & Snow (http://www.snowmobileworld.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=63768&hl=) [/b] Just blew 65.00 on 2 gallons of synjex oil.. Sigh

I use polaris synthetic blend. If its polaris it should be good in my 79 vintage sled. Happy sledding.

Quaker State Full Synthetic 2 cycle oil for my Doo 500ss and Mobile One 0w-40 for my Doo V-1000 4 stroker.
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QS quit making their full synthetic 2 cycle oil, so I'm going to use Ski-Doo Full synthetic blend in my new GSX 600 HO sdi, at least til the warranty is up. :cool:

Amsoil, with great results!

this is my first sled so i went to walmart and just got some 2 stroke oil for injected small engines. am i going the wrong way here???

this is my first sled so i went to walmart and just got some 2 stroke oil for injected small engines. am i going the wrong way here???[/b]

There ARE differences. Not all 2 stroke oils are created equally.

Amsoil all the way, like mentioned above, all oils are different. Amsoil contains the finest syntheic base oils and additives for exceptional cleanliness, and outstanding lubrication. Though everyone has their personal choice. Not just because I deal with this lubricants, I have used in just about everything with excellent results. My customers have had nothing but excellent results with the Incercepter 2 cycle oil. Looking forward to getting a new sled in the furture, still undecided on make. Ski-Doo was my brand for many years.

Also would like to say to everyone here, looks like a great site. Also proud to be a New Sponsor of SW. Let is Snow !

Herb Lansberg
Synthetic Oil Specialties
Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants
Bethlehem, Pa

this is my first sled so i went to walmart and just got some 2 stroke oil for injected small engines. am i going the wrong way here???[/b]


When in doubt buy OEM. WallyWorld sells some oils which may be suitable for your sno-go depending on the type of engine you have. The ordinary 2-stroke engine is less fussy and will run long on many of the TC-W3 oils though an oil specifically made for smaller, variable rpm 2-strokes is better, especially when the engine is challenged. The newer 2-strokes with some type of valves in the exhaust ports benefit from special oils usually full synthetic or blends intended for them. Running full synthetic is unnecessary in most engines but is another way to get around lube oil problems.

I have a ten year old rig sitting in the barn awaiting the arrival of new treads on which to roll. That old machine has a fan cooled ordinary 2-stroke which has used one of two different semi-synthetic oils over its life so far. It got new rings at the 13,000 mile mark but pistons looked good then. It still runs well with the originals at the 20,000 mile mark. Something must not be too wrong with the rather inexpensive oils that engine has seen injected through it.

Amsoil all the way, like mentioned above, all oils are different. Amsoil contains the finest syntheic base oils and additives for exceptional cleanliness, and outstanding lubrication. .....[/b]
I'm with herb on this one!! .... hehehe, go figure :wink:

this is my first sled so i went to walmart and just got some 2 stroke oil for injected small engines. am i going the wrong way here???[/b]


Don't worry,that oil should be good



BTW don't let the Amsoil pushers scare you

belray :D

I will agree, most any 2 cycle oil recommended will do just fine, but for those who want a premium product that outperform the rest, then Amsoil is a excellent choice. I always say use what your comfortable with and what works for you !

Happy Holidays

this is why i choose belray over all oils. but mostly its personal preference

when riding my quad, a 2002 blaster. incase you dont know, its a 200cc free air quad. my oil tank flew off and i did not realize it. noiw most of you may think, no oil in a 2 stroke!?! and then you think, im screwed. but infact. i didnt really care about the no oil issue, i had about 2 onuces of oil left and i mixed it in with around a gallon or so of gas. yes ouch! anyways, with that little amount of oil, my engine lasted 3 hours after before it fried.......

I will agree, most any 2 cycle oil recommended will do just fine, but for those who want a premium product that outperform the rest, then Amsoil is a excellent choice. I always say use what your comfortable with and what works for you !

Happy Holidays[/b]
Could you please tell me why you believe Amsoil, and I quote: "outperform the rest" Perhaps you can tell me why. Thanks, Dave.

Could you please tell me why you believe Amsoil, and I quote: "outperform the rest" Perhaps you can tell me why. Thanks, Dave.[/b]
smells better than klotz :lookaround: old buddy

Could you please tell me why you believe Amsoil, and I quote: "outperform the rest" Perhaps you can tell me why. Thanks, Dave.[/b]

Hi Dave, I'm not bashing any brands of oil's first off. Pure snowmoble testing results will tell you why Amsoil will outperform other oils. While most 2 cycle oils will delever. Amsoil goes one step further and uses the best synthetic base oils and additives available. The Amsoil Interceptor 2 cycle oil is formulated with a proprietary blend of the finest synthetic base oils and additives available today. This specially developed synthetic combined with a double treat additive package ensures exceptional lubricity, and optimum clean burning characteristics. And with up to 30 percent more detergency and dispersancy than typical two cycle oils. All this testing comes from 400,000 miles of Severe Snowmobile Field Testing.

Happy Holidays

Herb

i honestly do not think amsoil will out perform the rest. all oils, even the cheap kind will provide more then enough lubricant.

ever hear the saying, " your paying for a brand name" ? its like listerine versus a cheap kind of mouth wash. they both have the exact same ingredients yet listerine will charge you $1.50 extra......

i could buy a quart of do it best 2 cycle oil for $1.69 or i could spend the 7$ and buy a quart of amsoil. whats the difference in these to you might ask...... Brand Name.

Also, one of the reasons is dislike amsoil products is because they go on websites and promote there products, saying they are better then every oil on the market today. thats like saying arctic cat is better then ski doo. while skidoo thinks they are better then arctic cat. PERSONAL PREFERENCE and the last time i new, wasnt promoteing your own products against forum regulations?


im not trying to start an arguement im just saying, that just becuase some one says somethings the best, doesnt mean that it is the best

smells better than klotz :lookaround: old buddy[/b]
Barry, I haven't used Klotz oil in two years. Especially when you got sick riding behind me. :rolleyes: I run my own brand of oil now. I am not going to tell anyone which brand I use because I don't sell it, and won't push it. I asked most of the service guys what they recommeded for oil because they are the ones tearing down the motors and working on them. 100% of the mechanics said "Stay away from Amsoil" or something similar, when I asked them their opinion of Amsoil. Of course they are Poo, Cat and Ski-doo mechanics, that have many years servicing motors, so I guess when someone tells me that a certain oil out performs other oils I just ask the guys that work on the motors. That is my R&D. Not trying to start an argument as I know many folks that use Amsoil with excellent results. To each their own. I think if everyone has an oil that works for them with good results, they should stick with it. Who cares what brand it is. Not trying to bash Amsoil products, I have never used them, so I have no real world results. Just sharing some information with my fellow snowmobilers.

Here's my 2.5 cents worth! This is what I believe ...
1) Personal experience is everything, regardless of claims, slick marketing or what-have-you. You know my brand preference.
2) Nobody wins an oil debate.
3) Brand names aside, in the last 35 years synthetic lubricants have IMHO proven themselves to provide benefits which exceed the abilities of conventional motor oil.
4) I support brands which work for me, and I trust you all will do likewise.
5) If you have decided that watermelon oil is your choice, I'll still be happy to share a brew with ya' around the campfire.
Cheers
:christmas:
.... and have a great Christmas everyone!!!
Cam

i honestly do not think amsoil will out perform the rest. all oils, even the cheap kind will provide more then enough lubricant.

ever hear the saying, " your paying for a brand name" ? its like listerine versus a cheap kind of mouth wash. they both have the exact same ingredients yet listerine will charge you $1.50 extra......

i could buy a quart of do it best 2 cycle oil for $1.69 or i could spend the 7$ and buy a quart of amsoil. whats the difference in these to you might ask...... Brand Name.

Also, one of the reasons is dislike amsoil products is because they go on websites and promote there products, saying they are better then every oil on the market today. thats like saying arctic cat is better then ski doo. while skidoo thinks they are better then arctic cat. PERSONAL PREFERENCE and the last time i new, wasnt promoteing your own products against forum regulations?
im not trying to start an arguement im just saying, that just becuase some one says somethings the best, doesnt mean that it is the best[/b]
I run what I want and do not push it on anyone, never have never will. but to say all oils are the same would be a bold statement that is not true. I have bearing wear test data that proves the point about which is better and I will say this its not "do it best 2 cycle". I am going to say this all oils are not created equal. in four stroke I have oil analysis tests from several differant oils in diesels and the one that gets good remarks every time is the amsoil. by the way thanx Dave :christmas:

I just want to state

Amsoil is a great oil :)

I just do not like the way its pushed on people on the net as the end all oil and everything else is garbage

I believe there are many oils equal or better then it

BUT yes there are oils that might be worse also

Most problems with valves are do to oil ratios NOT the oil itself

This is not the 60s

My experience in oil with my sleds is Crappy Tire/ESSO/Yamalube/Pennzoil/Tech2000/Castrol/Bardahl/ProLab Synthetic/Shell Advance/Shell Synthetic/Quicksilver/Arctic Cat 50:1/Castrol SnoGo/Bombardier/Produmax and even chainsaw 2s oil once when in bind

I have mixed and match all those without ill affect,I am far from an expert on this subject but never had an engine failure due to oil and the onkly engine failure I had was the Indy 500 I bought and within the 1st 30minutes the crank seized due to RUST form no end of season fogging by the previous owner

I even ran Castrol GTX 5w30 last year for 30miles,late season riding and the low on oil and the only thing available

BTW when we tore down my Grandmothers garage last year we found some 1960/70 Wynn's Snowmobile OIl :D

Couldn't agree more FB. :thumbsup:

Like Cam stated. Personally I'm not here to bash what oils other members use, and stated that most oil's will do the job. Are some better than others, yes. What oil you choose to use is your choice and I'm fine with it. But if someone askes I will reply, one thing I do not and will not is "push" a product on someone and never had. This is what others like about me in the other sites I sponsor. I run a business and synthetic lubricants and filtration is my business and I take pride in the work I do, and pride in helping others.

After searching dozens of snowmobile sites to sponsor I'm glad I went with SW. I deal in synthetis 7 days a week. And everyone has their choice of brand oils whether is 2 cycle or 4 cycle, gas or diesel on why they choose the brand they run. Sorry for the ramble. I hope everyone here has a safe and happy new year.

Merry Christmas to all,

Herb Lansberg
Synthetic Oil Specialties
Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants
Pround New Sponsor of SW
1-888-887-9052

Like Cam stated. Personally I'm not here to bash what oils other members use, and stated that most oil's will do the job. Are some better than others, yes. What oil you choose to use is your choice and I'm fine with it. But if someone askes I will reply, one thing I do not and will not is "push" a product on someone and never had. This is what others like about me in the other sites I sponsor. I run a business and synthetic lubricants and filtration is my business and I take pride in the work I do, and pride in helping others.

After searching dozens of snowmobile sites to sponsor I'm glad I went with SW. I deal in synthetis 7 days a week. And everyone has their choice of brand oils whether is 2 cycle or 4 cycle, gas or diesel on why they choose the brand they run. Sorry for the ramble. I hope everyone here has a safe and happy new year.

Merry Christmas to all,

Herb Lansberg
Synthetic Oil Specialties
Amsoil Synthetic Lubricants
Pround New Sponsor of SW
1-888-887-9052[/b]
Herb, if I were to switch oil brand, I would definately buy from you. Thanks for the honest report. Have a Happy Holiday! Dave.

i have had 4 tractor trailers.i always ran shell rotella t oil,each truck i put over 1.5 million miles on and never had a bearing problem or any wear and tear.so i always run shell advance in our 2 sleds,i have never had a problem with any shell products.i even drained and changed our chaincase oil to shell synthetic. i figure if it worked for over 6 million miles over the years with my engine pulling 45000 lbs back and forth over the rockie mountains,it should do the sleds alright.i can truly say i've tried tested and trued it lol.

whatever is the cheapest at canadian tire when i go there

:lol:

Shell Advance is on sale at Crappy Tire

feb 3rd-9th

$14.99 a 4L/Gallon

So, can you guys tell me what is so great about million dollar a gallon synthetic oil other than it smells great and you dont have to get off your lazy butts and clean your valves once a year?
I could see using this stuff if you were going to keep your sled forever but in the 'how long do you keep your sled poll' that is not going to happen. Or maybe in an ultra high performance 10,000-12,000 rpm sled.
Does it make your sled faster, like 6-8 sleds? Someone convince me! By the way, I use $10.00 a gal.Yamalube, put 7-8000 on before it's retired and never had a problem in the many many years i've used it![/b]
Couldn't agree more. I think Yamalube is a good value for the price. I have used it for years in all kinds of 2 strokes without a problem. Granted, in my old sled running expensive stuff doesn't really make sense. But my buddy has run it in his MXZ for the last 3 years and it still runs great. In a pinch I will use castrol as it is widely available.

i heard about the sale at crappy tire yesterday on the trails.i tried to get there today to stock up but didn't succeed.all the roads were closed here due to the big winter blast.probably by the time i get there they will be sold out.if it wasn't for bad luck i wouldn't have any lol.

This has been a great thread. Obviously lots of oils to choose from, and it's interesting how folks made these decisions ... price, availability, etc.

I am running Cat APV synthetic oil. :thumbsup:

Couldn't agree more. I think Yamalube is a good value for the price. I have used it for years in all kinds of 2 strokes without a problem. Granted, in my old sled running expensive stuff doesn't really make sense. But my buddy has run it in his MXZ for the last 3 years and it still runs great. In a pinch I will use castrol as it is widely available.[/b]

I guess Yamalube will soon be thing of the past?

In my 500F, I run Citgo Sea & Snow. $3.50 a quart.

In my 700, I'm probably gonna run the Skidoo oil, better safe than sorry on a new engine.

Anyone ever try Ledgend ZX2R oil ?

I run AC oil, and its good. However I will switch to Statoil 2T Racingway or the Statoil 2T Revolution Snowmobile

I was running Klotz in my sled for the past 3500 miles. I just switched over to Legend ZX-2R, only ran about 250 miles on it so far, and I like it. Almost zero smoke, and smells great. I would describe the smell as "Klotz Light". Not quite as strong. I would say it's a little less smoky than Klotz. I'll have to get back to you on how clean my exhaust valves are. They have been pretty dirty the past couple years on Klotz. I don't know if they changed their formulation or what, but it doesn't burn as clean as it used to.

I'll probably switch to Citgo Sea & Snow after my 2 cases of Legend run out. All my friends run Citgo in their sleds, and don't have any problems. At $9/ gallon, semi-synth, and made for exhaust valves, it's hard to resist!

i just found this thread and no i didnt read through it... i`ve been running ipone the past few years...i`m probably the only one , haaa. its clean stuff and really if you dont have a oil related failure thats all ya can hope for. ya know, i`ve never had a oil related incident and i have blown up a bunch of stuff. i`ve ran klotz, amsoil and probably at least 3 more i cant remember....Some things to think about, if you run a high dollar syn you can more than likely use alot less . on the order of 60 to 80 to 1. i hear folks cringing. i run lean and mean with the motors crying all the time, not just becuase of oil but i think i`nm just i high stress dude, anyways, i dont watch the oil consumption nearly as closely as i should. damn the one year i only rode maybe 500 miles.. i think i only used 2 quarts. my point is the better the oil the bigger the fudge factor. that ipone stuff is strawberry scented too...hmnn mix er up with some vp and if nothing else you`ll have folks nervous.

i just found this thread and no i didnt read through it... i`ve been running ipone the past few years...i`m probably the only one , haaa. its clean stuff and really if you dont have a oil related failure thats all ya can hope for. ya know, i`ve never had a oil related incident and i have blown up a bunch of stuff. i`ve ran klotz, amsoil and probably at least 3 more i cant remember....Some things to think about, if you run a high dollar syn you can more than likely use alot less . on the order of 60 to 80 to 1. i hear folks cringing. i run lean and mean with the motors crying all the time, not just becuase of oil but i think i`nm just i high stress dude, anyways, i dont watch the oil consumption nearly as closely as i should. damn the one year i only rode maybe 500 miles.. i think i only used 2 quarts. my point is the better the oil the bigger the fudge factor. that ipone stuff is strawberry scented too...hmnn mix er up with some vp and if nothing else you`ll have folks nervous.[/b]
nice stuff buddy uses it in his 600 ho and swears by it.

I use Wally World Super Tech TCW-3 two-cycle engine oil, mixed 40 to 1 in ALL my 2-stroke engines including snowmobiles. It's about $10/gallon, something like that..Never had a problem. Am I doing something wrong?

I wouldn't use Klotz or Amzoil on a bicycle chain..

I use Wally World Super Tech TCW-3 two-cycle engine oil, mixed 40 to 1 in ALL my 2-stroke engines including snowmobiles. It's about $10/gallon, something like that..Never had a problem. Am I doing something wrong?

I wouldn't use Klotz or Amzoil on a bicycle chain..[/b]

Good call on the Klotz and Amsoil! I would never think of using either on a bicycle chain :lookaround: :lookaround: :lookaround: ... couldn't resist ....

Seriously, use what works for you.

Hello, Just joined the site. Not another oil debate!!! I use TORCO SSO and here is why!!
It is Jaso-fc and Iso-legd rated. Also, i wear my coat to work eveyday and it does not stink!
I have 4300+ miles on an xc1998 Polaris sleeper sled in fact I'm racing it today on the lake
and I have pictures of the compression at 150+ psi cold at WOT on HCS and DooTalk!
The problem I have with oil threads nobody post pictures of pistons removed from high
mileage motors, compression checks on high mileage motors or offer any proof of longevity.
I have about 1600 miles on the new Doo and will Doo a compression check when I put it
away for summer. Will post all pictures and as time goes by we can all see what happens,
because TORCO SSO is probably one of the best oils you can run period.

In my 500F, I run Citgo Sea & Snow. $3.50 a quart.

In my 700, I'm probably gonna run the Skidoo oil, better safe than sorry on a new engine.[/b]


Are you aware of this? (http://www.snowmobileworld.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=71550&hl=)

Good call on the Klotz and Amsoil! I would never think of using either on a bicycle chain :lookaround: :lookaround: :lookaround: ... couldn't resist ....

Seriously, use what works for you.[/b]

I wouldn't have either. :D

I quite honestly believe that 90% of engine failures are unrelated to the type of oil that is being used if the oil conforms to the standards set forth by the manufacturer. In my '05 800 X I have run, Amsoil AIT, Amsoil TDR, Amsoil HPI, ZX2R, Doo Semi-syn, Doo syn, and Doo mineral. I finally seem to be settled on Amsoil. At over 4500 miles, my compression was still 145+. While I certainly believe that some oils have great advantages over others, I also believe that without regular and systematic maintenance, your engine is going to fail, period. I think that many more engine failures can be attributed to fuel and fuel delivery problems than anything else and many of those are blamed on the oil that is being used. For that reason, my carbs are off more than once a year to inspect for particulates in the bowls and to check the carb boots for damage. Dealers trying to wiggle out of a warranty claim are famous for laying blame on the oil. JMHO

Well said Idooski :)

Same can be said for carbon deposits

Your oil ratio has a much greater affect then the oil you choose,of course as long as the oil you use is made for sleds

Pour point also has an affect when its real cold which can affect the oil ratio your engine has

This is why I choose to run Bardahl with a pour point of -56

Thanks, FB! :)

For the guys running Citgo Sea and Snow, I would be sure to check the pour point of that oil.
I just question using an oil that's designed for summer useage with high temperatures, thus a thicker / higher viscosity that will also have a pour point low enough (thinner / lower viscosity) in the cold of winter. I'm sure it can be done. But can it be done for $10 gallon?

Jeff

For the guys running Citgo Sea and Snow, I would be sure to check the pour point of that oil.
I just question using an oil that's designed for summer useage with high temperatures, thus a thicker / higher viscosity that will also have a pour point low enough (thinner / lower viscosity) in the cold of winter. I'm sure it can be done. But can it be done for $10 gallon?

Jeff[/b]

The pour point is -44 degrees F (-42 degrees C). It's a pretty "thin" oil compared to most of the other oils I have used (Klotz, Legend, Amsoil, Ski-Doo, etc.), at least as far as I have noticed when pouring it in my sled when it's VERY cold out (by that I mean about -30 F air temperatures). Cool purple color, too.

It was specifically designed for use in snowmobiles and jet skis. As is Ski-Doo's Oils, Yamaha's Oils, Polaris's Oils, Klotz, Amsoil, and so on and so forth.

The pour point is -44 degrees F (-42 degrees C). It's a pretty "thin" oil compared to most of the other oils I have used (Klotz, Legend, Amsoil, Ski-Doo, etc.), at least as far as I have noticed when pouring it in my sled when it's VERY cold out (by that I mean about -30 F air temperatures). Cool purple color, too.

It was specifically designed for use in snowmobiles and jet skis. As is Ski-Doo's Oils, Yamaha's Oils, Polaris's Oils, Klotz, Amsoil, and so on and so forth.[/b]

FYI - the pour point for Amsoil Interceptor is -58F ... quite a difference

For your info also

Bardahl has a -58 pour point

and it is recommended for SDI equipped engines

http://www.bardahl.ca/products/powersports/6400.html

best part it is about $18-20 a gal/4L

FYI - the pour point for Amsoil Interceptor is -58F ... quite a difference[/b]

That is probably why the amsoil always leaked out my oil cap and the Citgo never does :)

That is probably why the amsoil always leaked out my oil cap and the Citgo never does :)[/b]

Then you need a new oil cap

actaully amsoil has a nice clinging oil for your bike chain, it would work better than 2 cycle oil for that application :rolleyes: . I agree with idooski. amsoil is not much more than the citgo as far as cost, I am thinking I pay 23 a gallon. I am with cam though use what you like. I will continue to use the amsoil myself, its been good to me.

Citgo = $8.99 gallon
Amsoil = $23.00 gallon :confused:

I was a faithfull Amsoil user but the price increases are never ending. When I first started using Amsoil I could get injector oil for just under $14 a gallon. Personally I agree the some oils are better than others but we are talking about two strokes which have a short life span as it is. I guess until I hear of someone having engine failures due to using the Citgo I will continue using it. Personally I used 8 gallons of oil last season which saved me $112, thats a lot of gas money :thumbsup: Or money towards a new motor :wink:

I seen the 3.50 quart price, which comes to 14 gallon. like I have said before use what you want.

MikeD has the best idea... buy Amsoil in bulk and open a Co-op

Citgo = $8.99 gallon
Amsoil = $23.00 gallon :confused:

I was a faithfull Amsoil user but the price increases are never ending. When I first started using Amsoil I could get injector oil for just under $14 a gallon. Personally I agree the some oils are better than others but we are talking about two strokes which have a short life span as it is. I guess until I hear of someone having engine failures due to using the Citgo I will continue using it. Personally I used 8 gallons of oil last season which saved me $112, thats a lot of gas money :thumbsup: Or money towards a new motor :wink:[/b]

It sounds like you are saying .... my engines gonna have a short life anyhow, so the cheaper my oil, the more I can save for a new engine? ... I guess that's one way to go.

In my 700 Gade I use the BRP mineral oil. - 4700 miles

In my 500 mxz I use Citgo Sea & Snow. - 3000 miles

In my Evinrude 25 I use Citgo Sea & Snow. - It's from 1983 and runs perfect.

Stihl chainsaw gets the sea & snow also.

Lots and lots of miles with Amsoil. I like it and it's been good to me.
Probably stick with it.

I've been using Amsoil since the late 70's. I've always been able to get it pretty reasonably. Even when the price was a little higher, it wasn't hard to justify because I knew the product. I still think it's good oil, nowadays they're getting pretty proud of it though. Out shopping for a new brand lately. I've had it with Amsoil. It's just not THAT good compared to others selling much more reasonably. Judging by the markings on the container, Bardahl/Citgo/some others loooking pretty good from where I'm sitting....

It sounds like you are saying .... my engines gonna have a short life anyhow, so the cheaper my oil, the more I can save for a new engine? ... I guess that's one way to go.[/b]

The new engine was just a bad joke, like I said I haven't heard of anyone ruining a motor due to Citgo or Amsoil so until I start hearing these reports I'll stick with the better value. :wink: My 600sdi I think now has over 6500 miles on it and is probably due to be freshened up irregardless of what oil I've used.

Like I said before too, Amsoil is a good oil and I would buy it if I could get it in bulk or I could get the preferred customer price without all the shipping costs.

i use royal purple synthetic racing oil... then again i get it for 30 a gallon.... still not cheap, but with list price at 50, cant help but buy it.

i run peanut oil :tongue: Adds extra flavor when I cook with my Hotdogger VIII . :thumbsup:

The first ride I took this year, I was following my buddy, and noticed the smell from his Amsoil. Figured I just wasn't used to it. But 60km later, when his oil light came on, we realized his oil pump was stuck wide open, and he burnt 4 L of amsoil in 60km's. Once we fixed that, I never noticed it again.[/b]

I just had that happen to me. almost 1 gallon of oil to 1.5 tanks of gas! :(
Found cable broke!

Been talking to Rob at DZ Motorsports he wants to start carrying the Citgo
Sun and Snow injector oil! Is Citgo even still around? I've got 2 gallons
left in my inventory! LOL

Been talking to Rob at DZ Motorsports he wants to start carrying the Citgo
Sun and Snow injector oil! Is Citgo even still around? I've got 2 gallons
left in my inventory! LOL[/b]try murrays

try murrays[/b]

Yup they had 5 quarts left on the shelf @ $3.99 each! LOL Monroe st. Store!
Rob @ DZ wants to start carrying this ASAP! :thumbsup:

i have always used citgo sea and snow and has worked great. it produces a lot less smoke than polaris oil. amsoil is just too expensive.

So what kind of oil do Canadians use...
Thanks for your time...
:D:D:D

I just bought some Citgo Sea and Snow for this year. I've always used the XPS but I'm sick and tired of paying that kind of money. I've heard a lot of good things about Citgo S/S. We'll see.

I've been a dedicated Sea and Snow user for several years. I suppose we must have over 20,000 miles of excellent use from it. Unfortunately, the Alaska postal service now refuses to knowingly mail motor oil so we have to pay air freight to get oil. That means looking for deals where we can find them. I bought some gallons of Yamaha 2-S this summer for $21/gallon, a good deal by present standards. More recently I found some old stock of XPS for $4.05 /liter so use that though it does run smokier. If I could buy the Citgo product locally at decent prices I would have no qualms about running only that. It's good oil.