:) who will win in a race my 800 ho or his f7 both stock both brand new i only have 25 miles and he has 200 should i wait for the chip to burn out

id hold off till the chip burns out
then id call bill cudney and order a clutch kit
then go out and beat the " stock " f7 for sure

STOCK FOR STOCK THE F7....SORRY TO SAY ... :hallo1:

aSOOORRRRYYYYYY cat guys. buddy of mine has an 04 rev xps 800HO and his best friend has a o4 nightfire.

they were dead even till about 80 and after that the 800Ho walked the f7 after that.

nO BS and this is str8 . the f7 owner even admitted he lost :thumbsup:

dont speculate, go with the facts and what TRULY happens not WHAT YOU THINK :confused: .

the 04 f7 were DETUNED and actually weight more this year ( less HP as well) dont believe me CALL CAT :thumbsup:

Well, I have an 03 F7, we both had 500 miles on, my riding buddy has an 04 rev 800HO, we took off from about 20, and he had a ski on me at 110. Both have sufficient amount of studs, no spinning, he weighs about 30 lbs more than I do. The 03 and 04 are reporting to be the same, so it looks like they are going to run about the same, the new HO is real.

sniff sniff

you guys smell something? smells like wacky tabacky, thats what you guys who think the HO will beat the F7 are smoking

watch and see there butteryslappynutz :hallo1: :hallo1: .

already been done proven and another board memeber just admitted it to.

Not another one of these threads!!! :(

Just lock it now!!

Got to admit I get a kick out of reading these. Reminds me of my drag racing days years ago, where everyone had a brother or cousin with a faster car than mine :D
If we don't get some snow soon it won't matter much anyways :(

ill just assume that butternutz wasnt the f-7 owner i spanked on my 600 rev? LOL

The F7 is superman strong, so the new 800 Better have some major balls!

My friends 800HO is haveing a hard time getting away from my 600HO.....i say both being stock the f7 will walk it. Sad but true.

aSOOORRRRYYYYYY cat guys. buddy of mine has an 04 rev xps 800HO and his best friend has a o4 nightfire.

they were dead even till about 80 and after that the 800Ho walked the f7 after that.

nO BS and this is str8 . the f7 owner even admitted he lost*

I can back that up i know who MM is talking about and they both fully admited that the 800ho beat the 04 F7. Both sleds were brand spanking new, less than 150 miles I believe.

My dad is stronger than your dad. :D

The F7 doesnt have a chance. Its over for you guys.

The race for the F7 is with the 600HO now. Like the other poster said the 800Ho is having a hard time getting away from the 600HO. The reason for this is becasue the 600 is super strong. And the SDI is stronger.

You cat guys better just start digging a hole in your litter box to place your pride when we skidoo guys shatter it.

wow you skidoo guys sure are sensitive, cant admit when youre beat. someone said a 600 is gonna beat an F7???? sorry dude, the F7 will kill the 600 or 800 no questions. the rev may have the ride but the fcat has definitly got the go.......

btw skidoo says the 600sdi and 600ho are the same HP. I guess some people think they know more than even the company that built it.

WHOS GOT SNOW??? Let's line these things up and be done with it!

The peak HP is the same for the SDI & regular 600HO, however, the SDI produces more torque and it reaches peak HP sooner (at a lower RPM). This makes the SDI quicker off the line and more responsive, but the top speed between the two 600's should be about the same. I would guess that the 600SDI would hang with the F7 unitl about 80 mph or so. My SDI is extremely torquey and quick, but the power fades on the top end. I've never been one for going 100+ mph anyhow, so I love the power of the 600SDI. From 0-80mph, I think the SDI will stay with ANY other stock sled out there.

as I satted prior THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. the 800ho took the f7 ( nightfire) and the owner admitted it.

if I for one seen a f7 win I would admit it. no need to lie.

however I can say the 600ho has run with the 800ho renegade x package. raced the inlaws this past weekend on a lake. he didnt pull me at all, kneck and kneck ( this was a roll not off the line as we both have no studs :dazed: .

hit 103 on the digi.

they are both 110 mph sleds , the f7 gets there faster the the 800 ho .....iam not a cat lover but the sled in the front of the pack is the winner and thats where the f7 is ....... :hallo1:

Put the f7 on a trail with eaither the 600 or 800 sdi or ho and see who gets thru the woods quicker. The f7 would probably be flipped over on its side

I hate these kidns of post, cause some of us that are interested in knowing this are never getting sufficiant information,cause ski doo guys say skidoo the ac guys say F7..u guys that post this should go out and race then come back and tell us ur results cause we never get real results everyone always says there type of sled..
theres been many different shootouts for 2004 and all results diff in every mag because they are tested in different conditions... every sled performs well in there condition.so every race . 1 of the sleds will have an advantage, so we really can't tell!

im NOT siding with doo at all on that. just a fact. it happened. however i do know the f7's hammer and kicked arse at grass drags here in maine. however they never raced and 800ho or modded sleds like there modded f7, other than a mach1 and they got blistered everytime and by a 03 rev 800 ( modded)

some had over 2k invested in the motors of the cats just o try and beat the blair morgan rev that was there.

got pics to.

Originally posted by eqbyff@Dec 30 2003, 03:10 PM
Well, I have an 03 F7, we both had 500 miles on, my riding buddy has an 04 rev 800HO, we took off from about 20, and he had a ski on me at 110.* Both have sufficient amount of studs, no spinning, he weighs about 30 lbs more than I do.* The 03 and 04 are reporting to be the same, so it looks like they are going to run about the same, the new HO is real.
hey wally walnuts mustardman, is this the guy your talking about who admitted that the 800ho is faster? if i am reading right he said it won by ONE SKI this is just one case and all the ones ive seen so far and heard about have been the F7 ahead. one ski is hardly a huge victory like your saying. aside form the fact that you are comparing a 800 to a 700. imagine an F8.. that 800HO would be a 800LO in a hurry.

wow afraid to say to much here for fear of gettin booted off again (heehee) so ill just say it aint happenin, 03f7s sing to a differant tune cant speak for the 04s though alot of guys are runnin carbs also so im not sure how those will run, and i own a f7 not youre brother or youre mother!

Machzzzz1, I guess I'm going to have to make sure the powervalves are spotless and my picks good and sharp if I were ever to meet up with you on a lake[ Say lake Simcoe]. The 6oosdi must be really something trick. I would have no problems at all meeting up with you in the bay [Cooks] for some fun just to see how that sdi pulls. I'm sure I could find a F6-F7 to use as a baseline to see what happens, are you an emotional type of guy?

looks like the mustardman has given up he realized hes wrong. silence is the sign of defeat. you 800 doo guys should try picking on something you own size anyways!! :devil:

oh no no no my friend. I have been gone for a few days. :thumbsup: .

that is not the one I'm talking about. this is a few of my friends that live in maine. one has a rev 800HO and the other f7 nightfire.

however the 03's were rockets but couldnt keep a motor in them or a suspension. the 04's have been detuned and weight more.

run the 04 f7 against the 600ho and see how it is. i havent yet soo we will all find out in doo time :inlove:

Well I didn`t see 800 ho race a f7 but this past weekend i line my 700 up with a new 600 sdi and got beat it wasn`t a smoke show but it had me by about 2-3 sled lengths by the time we reached 100 mph.In front of us by about another 2 sled lenghts was a 03 blair morgan 800 and a 04 800 ho.I gotta say that the 600 flies and it wasn`t till about 90 ish that the 800`s walked away.Also at the back of the pack was a 02 800xc edge 2 sled lengths behind .

We've been riding here for over a month, and I've seen this story unfold on the local strip (1/3 mile lake) on about 4 occasions.
Stock to Stock... F-7 period.... every time.

all results diff in every mag because they are tested in different conditions...


I think someone hit the nail on the head!

Who runs stock anyway????????????????????

Does anyone really care if they beat some 'other guy' by a ski length? Any sled with the same displacement, traction and clutching (or there abouts) will be even. Any large win margin on a straight run is strictly the result of unseen variables.

Originally posted by CheCat@Jan 5 2004, 03:04 AM
Does anyone really care if they beat some 'other guy' by a ski length? Any sled with the same displacement, traction and clutching (or there abouts) will be even. Any large win margin on a straight run is strictly the result of unseen variables.
I'm not trying to be a smart ### but;
1) Do you think the guys responding here think it's ok to loose a race???....even by a ski length????
2) You do realise that an F7 is 700cc and orginal question asked in this post was to compare them to the 800 HO.... right?

If both sleds are 04's and stock i'm putting my cash on the 800 H.O.. Last week I raced two 04 F7's with my 04 Rev 600 H.O.. All sleds were stock and my sled is now off the chip. One F7 was carbed while the other was EFI. Every single time it was a dead heat to 90 mph and then they pulled ahead by about a sled length and a half. Couldn't telll you the distance since we were racing on the river here and were just racing the distance between 2 ice shacks. The F7's are fast but not as fast as they were last year.

Well not that its going to make a difference but here is the comparison between my girlfriends 03 600 H.O. REV. and my buddys 03 F-7 sno-pro.

03 F-7 sno pro- (MOTOR STOCK) 1.375 track 102 studs down the middle.Rider 180
03 REV 600 H.O. - (MOTOR STOCK) 1.25 track 92 down the middle.Rider 170 lbs

LAKE GOGEBIC 2003 RESULTS: REV EVERY TIME TO 85mph. After that all CAT.
(10 runs, 20 degrees, hardpack, both sleds 300 miles. This was the outcome 10 times back to back. *SUZUKI* makes an awesome motor. I now have a Blair Morgan also to run the F-7 against and will post the results after we get back from the U.P.

well, as of right now the majority says 800HO or 600HO. soo :tongue:

the 04 f7's WERE DUTUNED. soo not sure where some people are watching when these sleds go at it.

As someone else stated, I am glad your 800cc HO Skidoo can keep up with a 700cc Arctic Cat........... :tongue:

Just ran an 03F-7 against my buddies 800HO Renegade this past week. From 30 MPH to whatever, whoever left first stayed at that point until we let off.

Now, the 600 HO against the F-7, come on guys what are you thinking.......lol

think a kitty cat would be a closer race!

i agree with the rev 6 to 90 as ive beat two f-7s to 85 or 90.i know after that i was in trouble but in my oppinion 0-90 covers most trail situations. i actually had a edge x 700 poo stay closer to me.whether the poo was stock,who knows?

This is getting a little out of hand here, now we are talking about 600's beating f-7's which give zr-9's a run for there money and in some case's beat them. So does that mean a 600ho or sdi is going to beat a zr-900? Please tell me it ain't so....

Soooooooooo..........


Mini-Z vs.ZR 120 Who would win???????????????Who cares!

I'm a Doo guy, but I gotta agree with the Cat guy's here...........we're comparing a 700(apple) to an 800(orange). If I had a 700 that ran with the 8's and could hold my own, I'd brag too. I don't see how this is any different from the past. Remember Doo guy's how many disappointed T-Cat owners there were, getting beat by Mach Z's(stock vs. stock). That was a 200cc difference. w00t

BTW, If I see any 500's out there beating 700 & 800's.......That's the sled I'm buying next. :dazed: :dazed: :dazed:

:withstupid: :withstupid: That was put very well Butch. I just rode the 04 Rev Renegade 800 HO last week and let me tell you, that is one heck of a ride. I'll give them credit where credit is due, they did their homework with the suspension on this one!

By the way, I have a Slightly Modified 500 that runs with 7's and 8's.......... :p :p

Originally posted by speed is everything@Jan 5 2004, 04:46 PM
Well not that its going to make a difference but here is the comparison between my girlfriends 03 600 H.O. REV. and my buddys 03 F-7 sno-pro.

03 F-7 sno pro- (MOTOR STOCK) 1.375 track 102 studs down the middle.Rider 180
03 REV 600 H.O. - (MOTOR STOCK) 1.25 track 92 down the middle.Rider 170 lbs

LAKE GOGEBIC 2003 RESULTS: REV EVERY TIME TO 85mph. After that all CAT.
(10 runs, 20 degrees, hardpack, both sleds 300 miles. This was the outcome 10 times back to back. *SUZUKI* makes an awesome motor. I now have a Blair Morgan also to run the F-7 against and will post the results after we get back from the U.P.
Like i said to (85mph) I didn't say all out. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that the F-7 is FAST. I will say it again (SUZUKI) makes a killer motor. My Blair Morgan doesn't go past my 600 H.O. till then. I wouldn't hesitate to run an F-7 in 600ft on snow with my 600 H.O. but in the same breath wouldn't run an F-7 in a 1000ft with a regular REV 800 unless to prove that the F-7 is faster. My closest buddy has the sno-pro and all we do is race, race, race so all this info is FIRST HAND. For the SUZUKI, i mean cat guys, the F-7 is very impressive even if its running on the edge out of the box BUT it's not unbeatable.

I have been reading this post since it first started and find it very interesting. I thought I would add my comments as to what I have witnessed first hand. First of all let me start by saying my buddies and I have been out racing for the last 3 weeks. Buddy one has 04 800HO stock but studded. Buddy Two has 03 F7efi stock but studded (I know post was for 04). I myself have a 02 mxz700 modded. We would run 1200' After 30 races or so we concluded that the sleds were to close to crown either as champ. I will tell you for a fact that if not jetted corectly the F7 will win hands down at most distances due to EFI. He was one sled behind a well set up 800 ZR with a 1010 kit on one particular day (about 40 degrees) everybody was getting slower as it warmed up except the F7. JUST MY IMPARTIAL OPINION.