:slick: I was wondering what sled is faster since you never hear much about these two sleds?

The 500 SS without a doubt :hallo1:

It has at least 108hp(99 vs dynoed 107hp) maybe 110hp now that it hasa new pipe

The F5 only has 93-98 hp (dynoed AMS and D&D)

Mind you if I were to buy one or the other I would get the F5,I don't like the look of the REV and the F5 looks killer :)

BUt the 500 SS should beat the F5 easily 10hp is way too much to make up :sly:

dont like the look of the REV??? You have to be kidding me. I think its one of the sweetest looking sleds out there. But the F5 is nice.

No doubt the Rev will win the drap race but deciding between the two still comes down to what turns yer crank...............and of course the size of yer pocket book. LOL

Rick.
:cool:

Agree, the Rev will take it, but that F5 is pretty sweet looking! Apples to apples though, isn't the Rev motor a 600 compared to the F5's 500?

Maybe a more fair comparison would be the 500SS to the F6. Now who's on top???? :blush:

u cant go 500 ss against the f6, it would have to be the 600 ho against the f6 to be a fair comparision. even then i think the two would be side by side if set-up right.

and i dont like the looks of the rev either and i own one. it's not about looks, it's about function. u dont understand them unless you've ridden one IMO.

Originally posted by RacerX408@Dec 30 2003, 11:28 PM
u cant go 500 ss against the f6, it would have to be the 600 ho against the f6 to be a fair comparision. even then i think the two would be side by side if set-up right.

Looks like you got me there.....

I was just stirring the pot - you know how guys get when a "what's faster" thread comes up. Skidoo guys vote for the Skidoo, Cat guys vote for the Cat, Polaris guys vote for the Polaris, and Yamaha guys are too refined to get involved in such senseless bickering.... :D :D

Originally posted by The Hossman@Dec 30 2003, 11:38 PM
Skidoo guys vote for the Skidoo, Cat guys vote for the Cat, Polaris guys vote for the Polaris, and Yamaha guys are too refined to get involved in such senseless bickering.... :D :D
and the outcome is the same when they hit a tree.

Originally posted by The Hossman@Dec 30 2003, 11:38 PM


Skidoo guys vote for the Skidoo, Cat guys vote for the Cat, Polaris guys vote for the Polaris, and Yamaha guys are too refined to get involved in such senseless bickering....
find a dealer who will let you test ride both,,,,ride them and you make the decision,,,, I vote the f5, but I bleed green,,,,,you make the decision for yourself and then you know youll be happy,,,,no what ifs,,,,,,,,,,

They say the F5 is around 108 HP.

in the back of the 2004 arctic cat brochure the horsepower on the f5 is 105. I would take the f5 though its really pretty, and its a cat :D

Reality check

Cat estimates 104hp

BUT D&D dynoed it at 98hp and AMS dynoed it at 93hp

Those are real numbers not numbers to drum up sales

Originally posted by CORY9@Dec 31 2003, 12:12 AM
Agree, the Rev will take it, but that F5 is pretty sweet looking! Apples to apples though, isn't the Rev motor a 600 compared to the F5's 500?
exactly the 550 ss is 599 cc .. it is what we call a cheater sled..LOL

Bottom line in stock classes the "ss" races in 600 single pipe .
,so the marketing of "underrating " is a trick maybe more brands
to lure in "Buyers who think they got a 500 instead of a 600 under
the hood"gee that sled quick for 500 dah ,dah ,dah.Maybe put a the F7
motor in the F-5 and call it a "500" or indy 500 with a pro x 8000 twin under the hood .
Either way the Doo is gona get its ### hand to it this year in every classs!!
Cape Breton Stock......Going Doo hunting !!! :hallo1: :hallo1: :hallo1:

:( The REV 500ss with reverse in the adrenealine model is about $500 cheaper then the F5 with reverse.I just wish cat would start installing reverse at a reasonable price . :slick:

And a electronic reverse would be nice also.

Amen brother sled neck for life, ummmmm let me think. i have a 500ss and i havent lost to no f6 yet. and for the f5. Yeah they eat yellow snow. F7 i get em out of the whole then they get me at the end by 2 sleds in 600 feet very fast sled, keeps up to the H.O by a sled. 500ss nothin to turn ure back on mines very fast alot of little tweakin under the hood makes a big diffence, still stock, i stay right with the H.O's mostly ahead of them Cause the whole shot.

By the way paul that was a good one u had me laughin brother.

500 ss..........there is no comparison...without a doubt....

My cousin has an 03 f5 sno pro that he is getting rid of to buy a 500ss like mine. He also paid $1000 more for his sled than I did for mine.

Originally posted by Fuzzy@Jan 1 2004, 01:56 PM
exactly the 550 ss is 599 cc .. it is what we call a cheater sled..LOL
Cant cheat the Insurance company though, they now it's a 600.

:devil: there is no replacement for displacement

Just the power of a Rotax Eatin up the Cats. :cool:

another typical ski-doo answer just keep comparing the 500ss to the f-5 and you will be the king! :D SWRules

What's the HP rating on the 500ss. I'm having a hard time believing it will beat an F5, let alone an F6. If you're not losing to H.O.'s and F6's it's only cause you're not racing them.

Originally posted by sledhed17@Mar 9 2004, 04:15 PM
:devil: there is no replacement for displacement
to compare sleds they should be of equal cc's....if the 500 ss is actually a 599cc then you should be comparing it to an f6...

Originally posted by FreezerBurnt@Dec 30 2003, 09:35 PM

500ss
It has at least 108hp(99 vs dynoed 107hp) maybe 110hp now that it hasa new pipe

the F6 is rated at 118 hp

o i thought the f6 was top in speed in the 600 catagory, and u have beat ever one with the 500ss? not trying to start a fight, but thats what i heard..

I have a 600HO with fresh rings (they went at 1100mi it now has just over 2000) and i get my ### handed to me every time i race my buddys f6. I have also raced a few 02 mxz 600's (the 04 500ss motor) and beat them every time so when your saying your 500ss beats f6's i jsut dont buy it. im a doo guy and i wouldnt trade the ride for anything but cc for cc cat makes faster sleds.

Originally posted by arendty@Mar 14 2004, 11:12 PM
I have a 600HO with fresh rings (they went at 1100mi it now has just over 2000) and i get my ### handed to me every time i race my buddys f6. I have also raced a few 02 mxz 600's (the 04 500ss motor) and beat them every time so when your saying your 500ss beats f6's i jsut dont buy it. im a doo guy and i wouldnt trade the ride for anything but cc for cc cat makes faster sleds.
finally an honest answer! :) :) SWRules

Originally posted by sledhed17@Mar 14 2004, 01:50 AM
to compare sleds they should be of equal cc's....if the 500 ss is actually a 599cc then you should be comparing it to an f6...
Actually I think it's more fair to compare sleds based on price. I'll hand it to Ski-Doo; if they want to sell a 600cc sled for the price of a 500, all the power to them. Unless of course you're talking about racing. Then of course you have to compare apples to apples.

Yes i see where u guys are comin from and nobody really wants to believe me.
I still have people scratchin there heads over this and they just dont by it. From what i see i see the H.Os runnin with the f6s all day long. U know, all do respect to the Cats they came along way the last 2 yrs. And if it wasnt for them skidoo wouldnt be havin fun like they are now with the competition and rivalry like weve have had all the yrs. From what i can see by hearin everybodys experiences, there all different, everysled is alittle different out of the factory which in hand theyre gonna run different, and many people dont take the time to properly tune them. Well im not sayin the 500ss is faster by any means it took me along time to tune mine to where i wanted to get it and its right where i want it in 500 to 600ft of racin, thats what i have it set up for. The whole shot like u have probably heard by everyone else is awesome as well as low end and mid range till about 80. So thats where i usually get everybody in 500 feet. On the lake im a fish out of water i mean mine only topped out nearly 105 one day on my road with minimal snow, now it wont cause of my clutch setup shes right around 100 But yes i admit the f6's ive raced and most of the H.os ive raced were probably not even tuned or touched,ive raced about a handfull of H.o's and a a couple f6's. I got em out of the whole and just cruized to 300 feet by prolly 3 sleds. Then they all played the catchup game within a sled or half till the last 200 feet. Overall top speed hands down H.O and f6 are pretty amazin for a 600. But like the game is played its the whole shot and how u play it after that ctritical 4 to 500 feet comes into play. I was even with a f7 and 800x till about 100 feet they just embarassed me, i didnt care about the 800x its the big brother sled, I give it to cat theyre an amazin sled so along with the f6 they have come far. A propely tuned f6 or H.O should walk by me somewhat after 2 to 300 feet. I shouldnt even have mentioned this bfore cause i know ive got u guys scratchin ure heads on this one and dont mean to direct u in the wrong way, but the few hours under the hood is what matters.
Good luck to u all and happy trails.

Any well set up sled can run with any other sled in its class. I have a buddy with a 2000 ZR600 who whipes the floor with ZRT 600's and was within a sled and a half with a TCAT. He has put amazing amounts of time in his sled though and has clutched it to perfection along with watching his jetting very closely. A 500ss I believe could do the same if it was set up as well as my friends ZR. I highly doubt Doo will have there ### handed too them in every class, as I don't see the fusion or the zr900 coming anywhere close to the MachZ1000. I have heard the 600 HO is pretty close and often beats the F6, though I have never seen it. For a twin the F7 is fast, but telling everyone it is unbeatable is pretty rediculous. A friend of mine runs a piped and carbed ultra, and walks them all day long. I have yet the chance to run against one but would love to try it. That is a 9 yr old sled beating a brand new sled. Also from any race I have seen the SRX7 will hand the F7 a butt whoopin everytime. Given these are triples vs. a twin but still, the F7 is not the greatest fastest sled out there. It is just Great and Fast. When the New Mach hits the snow I have a feeling Cat guys will be runnin for the hills.
Wayne

I agree with both of u? set up is the Key. Btank my old man has also bought a 500ss this fall and has set it up with a steeper helix and some K&n filters with 144 chissels. He let me take it for a run this winter and it nearly ripped me off the sled the throttle response was tremedous. Alittle more than my F111 And gained about 5 horse with the filters. He recently lined it up against his friends sleds who all drive skidoos a couple 600 H.Os a 700 an f6 and a 670 along with my F111 600 with dynoport exhaust, 96 studs k&n air filters jet kit rapid reaction secondary roller and heads shaved .20. He got us out of the whole about 3 sleds and i caught em at about 400 feet he broke even with his buddies mxz 700 all day in 600 feet everything else couldnt touch em he beat the F6 4 out of 5 times which is a very fast sled along with the H.Os and were all set up pretty well which were within a sled all day anything more than 600 feet and hes a sittin duck. But the K&ns do help i dont know how ures would do against a well set up sled like ures sounds like it would be close. Good luck to u the rest of the way.

What's the HP rating on the 500ss. I'm having a hard time believing it will beat an F5

The hp for a 500ss is approximately 107 hp. I have raced 3 different f-5 and have beat them all without much problems. And none of three guys I raced made excuses, they all stated that the 500ss was faster hands down.

to compare sleds they should be of equal cc's....if the 500 ss is actually a 599cc then you should be comparing it to an f6

Why? Do you compare an Acura RSX to a Chevy Cavalier. NO, you do not. Is it because the Cavalier has a larger 2.2 liter engine. NO, it is because the RSX is more expensive and it's 2.0 liter engine puts out 60 more horsepower.

another typical ski-doo answer just keep comparing the 500ss to the f-5 and you will be the king!

Why wouldn't you compare these sleds. Arctic cat claims 105 hp out of the f5 within 2 horsepower of the 500ss. Plus they are the same price.

So to answer the original question.

1. The 500ss is faster in every aspect.
2. The 500ss gets better gas mileage.
3. The 500ss comes with reverse.
4. Due to the fact that the f5 has a high output engine it's reliability is much more questionable than that of the 500ss.(burnin all that gas to go slower can't be healthy)

I will not mention the differences in the chassis. Although I have yet to hear an open minded non brand loyal person who did not like the rev chassis more.

These two sleds cost the same amount (unless you go with the non RER trail then the 500ss it almost $1000 cheaper)

So you cat guys are right you can't compare these two sleds. For the same price the 500ss blows the f5 out of the water.

And if you want to compare to the f6 you take the $8000 it is going to cost to get an 05 f6 with reverse and I will get a 500ss for $6400 take the $1600 dollars that I saved put it into my 500ss and then blow your doors off.

Originally posted by putts@Mar 16 2004, 05:19 PM

The hp for a 500ss is approximately 107 hp. I have raced 3 different f-5 and have beat them all without much problems. And none of three guys I raced made excuses, they all stated that the 500ss was faster hands down.



Why? Do you compare an Acura RSX to a Chevy Cavalier. NO, you do not. Is it because the Cavalier has a larger 2.2 liter engine. NO, it is because the RSX is more expensive and it's 2.0 liter engine puts out 60 more horsepower.



Why wouldn't you compare these sleds. Arctic cat claims 105 hp out of the f5 within 2 horsepower of the 500ss. Plus they are the same price.

So to answer the original question.

1. The 500ss is faster in every aspect.
2. The 500ss gets better gas mileage.
3. The 500ss comes with reverse.
4. Due to the fact that the f5 has a high output engine it's reliability is much more questionable than that of the 500ss.(burnin all that gas to go slower can't be healthy)

I will not mention the differences in the chassis. Although I have yet to hear an open minded non brand loyal person who did not like the rev chassis more.

These two sleds cost the same amount (unless you go with the non RER trail then the 500ss it almost $1000 cheaper)

So you cat guys are right you can't compare these two sleds. For the same price the 500ss blows the f5 out of the water.

And if you want to compare to the f6 you take the $8000 it is going to cost to get an 05 f6 with reverse and I will get a 500ss for $6400 take the $1600 dollars that I saved put it into my 500ss and then blow your doors off.
like i said you are the king! :)

I think the F5 is faster and would take it over a 500ss.

Of course cat guys bleed green and thats good. Nothin bad about the F5 there a nice sled for a 500 and should make a mark in there class. But compared to the 500ss is not a comparison, the low end might be close but midrange and top end arent there when compared, many have tried many have failed.
Putts ure the man brother.
For the extra money u do spend on the F6 and H.O it wont even take that much to blow there doors in if mine is runnin right with em. All i have in mine is alittle blood, sweat, and time and is doing wonders for me.

It won't, period.

The CC issue here is like this, doo is selling the 500SS because they didn't have a 500 that they were willing to adapt to the REV chassis, so stick a 599 engine in a rev and call it a 500"SS". For a value standpoint, you're getting quite a lot based on price, but does that mean they are comparable in racing terms? Perhaps they are, perhaps they aren't, if you want the "best 600" from both manufacturers, you would go with the F6 and Rev 600HO, and who exactly wins that? You can go find that out for yourself......Back to the original discussion......a 500SS (although rated in the 600cc class) will take a F5 hands down, stock for stock..

Value wise, say I only had the money for a 500SS/F5, I would go with the SS, just more value, and it has RER.

My uncle bought one....6797 american out the door..

Originally posted by WKinneIII@Mar 16 2004, 01:08 PM
Any well set up sled can run with any other sled in its class. I have a buddy with a 2000 ZR600 who whipes the floor with ZRT 600's and was within a sled and a half with a TCAT. He has put amazing amounts of time in his sled though and has clutched it to perfection along with watching his jetting very closely. A 500ss I believe could do the same if it was set up as well as my friends ZR. I highly doubt Doo will have there ### handed too them in every class, as I don't see the fusion or the zr900 coming anywhere close to the MachZ1000. I have heard the 600 HO is pretty close and often beats the F6, though I have never seen it. For a twin the F7 is fast, but telling everyone it is unbeatable is pretty rediculous. A friend of mine runs a piped and carbed ultra, and walks them all day long. I have yet the chance to run against one but would love to try it. That is a 9 yr old sled beating a brand new sled. Also from any race I have seen the SRX7 will hand the F7 a butt whoopin everytime. Given these are triples vs. a twin but still, the F7 is not the greatest fastest sled out there. It is just Great and Fast. When the New Mach hits the snow I have a feeling Cat guys will be runnin for the hills.
Wayne
you are right, the f7 is not the fastest snowmobile out there.
but it is the fastest 700 twin snowmobile out there.
just to clear it up i mean stock out of the crate.
no clutch kit's or big bore kit's.
just pull them out of the crate. and run them.
the f7 will win every time, period!!!!!!!


if i tell everyone my f7 is a SS
then can i run it against 600's???????

Originally posted by sledhed17@Mar 13 2004, 08:50 PM
to compare sleds they should be of equal cc's....if the 500 ss is actually a 599cc then you should be comparing it to an f6...
i didn't mean for price comparison as a consumer, i meant in terms of drag racing a sled of similar displacement :) in order to set the table for a competitive race

i know how you guys feel and i believe how well your sleds work for you, i know a guy that had a zr5 with some clutching, gearing, intake and jetting all setup for dragging and he was able to beat much larger displacement sleds...needless to say they were not very fond of him or his sled :D

personally i like both the f's and rev's

Originally posted by sledhed17@Mar 13 2004, 06:57 PM
the F6 is rated at 118 hp
I heard about a guy that dynoed an early release F6 and it had 123HP. :D :cool: :thumbsup: That`s tight!

Originally posted by WKinneIII@Mar 16 2004, 01:08 PM
Any well set up sled can run with any other sled in its class. I have a buddy with a 2000 ZR600 who whipes the floor with ZRT 600's and was within a sled and a half with a TCAT. He has put amazing amounts of time in his sled though and has clutched it to perfection along with watching his jetting very closely. A 500ss I believe could do the same if it was set up as well as my friends ZR. I highly doubt Doo will have there ### handed too them in every class, as I don't see the fusion or the zr900 coming anywhere close to the MachZ1000. I have heard the 600 HO is pretty close and often beats the F6, though I have never seen it. For a twin the F7 is fast, but telling everyone it is unbeatable is pretty rediculous. A friend of mine runs a piped and carbed ultra, and walks them all day long. I have yet the chance to run against one but would love to try it. That is a 9 yr old sled beating a brand new sled. Also from any race I have seen the SRX7 will hand the F7 a butt whoopin everytime. Given these are triples vs. a twin but still, the F7 is not the greatest fastest sled out there. It is just Great and Fast. When the New Mach hits the snow I have a feeling Cat guys will be runnin for the hills.
Wayne
wayne as you know i live close to you just wondering if the zr is delisle?

ZRT,
No it's not Delisle, I think he has a ZL anyhow. This kids name is Shaffer. He raced on Wixom by Sportmans Landing the weekend of the Ice Carnival. I don't think he races very often, but that weekend he did awefully good. We were all very surprised. He does know alot about sleds though. As for DeLisle I'll keep my oppinions to myself.
Wayne

ok ,yeah i know what ya mean! :D