I just came back from Gogama and theres lots of snow.I was up there from dec 27/03 to jan 03/04.I'll get right to the point,two guy's from Timmins(father and son) were riding new years eve both were drunk and crossed Matagamy lake on the north east arm were the river runs through it and never freezes.They no the area but were drunk and they both went down,the father died and the son lived but now is being charged with impaired.Please don't drink and ride

2 of my friends were busted for runing from the cops. They had a couple of drinks and didnt want to get dui's so they took off. One of them totalled out his sled and they both went to jail. When they were in jail the cop told them he was just going to tell them to drive on the opposite side of the road at night(with the flow of traffic)

!!! Not trying to upset anyone but why is it people "THINK" they have to drink to have a good time no matter what it is they are doing? !!! :cussing:

Originally posted by Z-Rider@Jan 4 2004, 02:43 PM
!!! Not trying to upset anyone but why is it people "THINK" they have to drink to have a good time no matter what it is they are doing? !!! :cussing:
You should'nt be upsetting anyone.. looks good on anyone that has a mishap drinking and driving There is a time and place for drinking.. And driving a motor vehicle should not be involved
LOOKS GOOD ON THEM :withstupid:

Originally posted by A.K.A.@Jan 4 2004, 03:27 PM
You should'nt be upsetting anyone.. looks good on anyone that has a mishap drinking and driving There is a time and place for drinking.. And driving a motor vehicle should not be involved
LOOKS GOOD ON THEM :withstupid:
Couldnt agree more!! I mean why cant ppl go out an have a good time without drinking.....dont make sense...... :(

Nothing wrong with drinking after you are ...... DONE ..... SLedding !

And smoking will kill you.

Can we PLEASE give up on the preaching? We've all heard it before, we're all adults (at least we are if we're old enough to be drinking) and we're all responsible for our own actions.

Some stranger on a message board telling someone that they shouldn't drink and drive is not going to make them stop.

It's too bad that the solution isn't that simple, but hey we can dream can't we...........RIDE SAFE / RIDE SOBER.

Happy trails
Rick. :D

Sorry, can't help but 'preach', if it makes one person think twice and save one life, it's worth it.

The thing that I hate hearing is - 'let's just have a couple. It won't even affect me". Then why the hell even bother?? Save your money and have a couple pops instead. Some guys you just can't reach......

Ride Safe - Ride Sober

the problem here in lower MI, is that the trails basically go from bar to bar. some people just cant make good decisions IMO, so why dont they make the trails away from bars? mike

I have to say that I LOVE beer and I am not much of a pop drinker. One of the greatest things I've recently found is the .5% (virtually alcohol free) beers and wine coolers. You could drink a dozen of them and never get drunk; just full. :p

When I first heard about them a few years ago I just thought "yuck". Well, I've tried some, and I have to say that I can't taste the difference; some of them are quite good. The good news is that more and more bars are starting to carry them. So hopefully the bars on the trails are starting to carry them. Then we can have our beer and drink it too! :D

Originally posted by tifa_5_2000@Jan 4 2004, 05:18 PM
the problem here in lower MI, is that the trails basically go from bar to bar. some people just cant make good decisions IMO, so why dont they make the trails away from bars? mike
cant do that,,,,you move the trail, a new bar will pop right up there too,,,,its all about the $$$$$$

Originally posted by jacqui583@Jan 5 2004, 12:52 AM
I have to say that I LOVE beer and I am not much of a pop drinker. One of the greatest things I've recently found is the .5% (virtually alcohol free) beers and wine coolers. You could drink a dozen of them and never get drunk; just full. :p

When I first heard about them a few years ago I just thought "yuck". Well, I've tried some, and I have to say that I can't taste the difference; some of them are quite good. The good news is that more and more bars are starting to carry them. So hopefully the bars on the trails are starting to carry them. Then we can have our beer and drink it too! :D
Jacqui, you've raised a very good point, and I have to agree with you %100. Even when I go out on a Friday night I'll often drink the near-beers cause then I can still drive home.
It's shocking in this day and age of everybody promoting "drive sober" that more bars don't have these beer in stock. But there is still a very large number of people who wonder why anybody would want them.
The simple answer to that, of course, is that I like the taste of beer, but don't always want to get drunk.

Sounds like one more chapter in the NEVER ENDING STORY is all :(

Personally I believe in "Driving and Drinking". First we drive,then we drink. Its much safer and you still have a rideable sled the next morning :)

If you don't want the trails to go from bar to bar, where would you suggest them to go? We need places to warm up, fill up our stomachs and gas up on the trails, bars just happen to do all of these. Also most of us like the comaraderie at the pit stops.

The fact that the rest stops are at bars isn't the problem...It's that guys don't have enough self control to stop at ONE beer with lunch.When we ride we ride to lunch and then dinner and then we'll usually make one more stop late at night (midnight or so)on the way back to the hotel.

I also see plenty of empties along the trail which means plenty of guys are putting those 12oz can holders to use in their rear storage compartments too.

We also ride dirt bikes and it just amazes me to see all the quad guys with no helmet, no shirt and a cooler full of Budweiser strapped to the cargo rack. You would think if their cooler has enough room for a 12 pack of FULL beers that the cooler would also have room to put the empty cans back in? I guess empty beer cans take up more room cuz they always toss them on the trails :cussing:

Originally posted by NewfieBullet@Jan 4 2004, 03:57 PM
We've all heard it before, we're all adults (at least we are if we're old enough to be drinking) and we're all responsible for our own actions.
Thats all find and dandy if one wants to assume the risk for themselves. However, drinking and driving/riding involves all those that pass you on the trails or highways, which if we are all adults, we already know that. If one can guarantee they will not kill or involve others in their mayhem on the trails, I'd say drink all you want, and ride as you please. But I for one choose not to relinquish that responsibility or risks to some drunk passing me on the trails because he feels he is responsible for his own actions.

There are far too many dead sober people on the trails and highways because of self centered attitudes regarding drinking.

yada yada yada dont you guys get tired of listening to yoursleves whine? were all big boys and girls and we can make desicions for ourselves dont tell me when i can and cant have a damned beer. lets get the real nuisanses of the trail the blair morgen wannebe snowcrosser who cut corners rip up fields jump ditches and has no regard for the rest of us.

i'm sick of hearing this same old crap too..your preaching to the converted, all the people that are agreeing are the people that don't drink and drive...and they will continue not to drink and drive....likewise people that do drink and drive will continue to do so, the only thing that can stop them is the law or death

I can't agree with you more Russ. But when someone someone states the laughable "I'm responsible for my own actions" statement, it just invites a response. I mean really, who are they trying to kid. I've rarely ever seen a drunk who killed another person stand up and say, "Take me to prison, and I'll give the family reasonable financial compensation. I was wrong and I take full responsibility for my actions!".

No, they go hire the best lawyer they can find, and plead not guilty! They run and hide from their responsibility, and try and wrestle their way out of it. They start hiding their assets, and fabricating stories. :( So if you take the "I take full responsibility for my actions" stance, don't be alarmed if no one believes you, and drops you into the ignoramus category. :cussing:

Reality reveals the truth, doesn't it.

Please keep this topic civil.............

i used to be one of the idiots who said i am responsible enough to drink and ride. i didn't know that i had a problem that made it impossible to stop drinking after only having one beer. i always thought i could just have a couple and stop but i never did. once the alcohol got into me my thinking and judgment always changed and it became ok to drink however much i wanted. some people call it an illness or a disease, i don't know if it really is, what i do know is that i never could control it no matter what. some people should never drink, iam one of those people. i can not have one not even the .5% stuff. i believe that there are a lot more people out there like me and they don't know( like i didn't) that drinking is a real problem. i used to throw my cans out to, now i stop and pick up others trash to repay my debt to the public because i know that it was wrong to do that. i am no better than anyone else i can pick up cans for the rest of my life, hell someone was picking up mine at that time. we have to let people know that we do not want drunk #######s on the snow. someday it will come down to this question, do you want to drink or do you want to ride? snowmobiles or beer? on the other hand there a lot of people who can have one beer and not need another one, there is no problem with these people. i bet to that these people would give up the right to have one for safety of the rest of the community. if there was a law that said you can not have orange juice on the trail you know there would be no problem from anyone, and there really isn't a good reason to not have orange juice. alcohol is so very powerfull to so many that ther is no law or morgue big enough to hold the problem. i think a lot of people say that people should never have to worry about alcohol related death because it is always avoidable. i agree, but i know the complexity of the issue from both sides too well. drinkers will not stand for the booze to removed, and normal people will not fight hard enough and long enough to end it. all i can say is if you can not stop at one then you really should think about what that means. are you a slave to alcohol like i was and am still capable of being for the rest of my life? can you have fun on the snow without it? does everyone you ride with drink too much to? does this bother you? today i turn people in who are over the line. why? because i was turned in by people who cared to see a safer interstate, and it ended up changing my life forever. it turned on the light to what the real issues are. idon't go looking for the opportunity to bust someone but if they do cross my path it is my responsibility to help uphold the law, just like it is my job to pick up emtys. we can al do our part. talking about it is a start to a solution, not a ##### session. hey if you don't like talking about it maybe thats what is called denial.

i agree!

Originally posted by LadyK@Jan 6 2004, 02:03 PM
Please keep this topic civil.............
I apologize if you thought I was being uncivil. I never intended to.

mose,

Hat's off to a courageous post. I wish everyone thought like you. That's an excellent analogy asking everyone to not drink orange juice on the trail. Sure, it makes no sense - but it make a good point. Nobody would care. But try and tell them they can't drink beer on the trail.....

You're exactly right - we who have a strong opinion to NOT share our trails (or roads for that matter) with those who choose to drink, and I don't really care if you drink 12 or just 1, shouldn't be quiet about it. Why should we?? I don't come into your home and wave a loaded handgun in your face - don't wave your loaded sled in mine!!

Chris