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gelf
09-11-2004, 07:24 PM
When I was 16 or so I had saved all summer to finally buy a snowmobile "newer" than me. (had a collection of early 70's polaris's).

Anyway, after a summer with the bee-guy I had enough of a bank roll to pick up a 1987 Yamaha Exciter LC. Basically a stock unit except for the sound. In fact, it was the meanest sounding sled in the county. I'm not sure why, but the previous owner had purchased a PSI pipe and cut it near the back taper where it would typically drop down into the underlying can. To this contraption he had welded a stinger. Sounded a bit like a crotch-rocket.... a bit more (tin-canny).

Anyway, It was the most dependable sled I've ever owned, 2 pulls and always a start. Not to mention fast..... no problem taking the needle to 110Mph. (how accurate are sled speedo's anyway)

It had a hard life, the tunnel was cracked just before the rear suspension bolts. (had it welded, but started to re-crack) Also, I had met up with a large washout in too little snow. That turned into a tweaked left strut.... bent frame.

Any sled would be deemed "dead" at that point, but I loved this one too much. I continued to drive it...... tunnel starting to crack again, hood not quite fitting right due to the tweaked TSS.

It finally met it's end in a field at 80Mph..... blew the belt BAD. All that was left of the belt was the outside cord. The cord had proceeded to wrap itself up between the clutches so tight that it tore the motor mounts?!?! The clutches were only about 2 inches apart and the motor was deffinatly at an odd angle. Bad enough? Well in going from 80Mph to 0Mph in the matter of one second, the chain had also came through the chain case. Bad enough??? Well, my buddy trailing on his Artic Cat EXT came flying over the hill in the dark missing me by a matter of three feet. Ok, so it could have been alot worse. Just thinking about him rear-ending me at 80Mph makes me shudder.

That was nearly 7 years ago. My Exciter has been sitting inside ever since. Every once in awhile I go pull the rope, listen to it purr, and reminise. I see this year the Farmers Almanac predicts a heavy snowfall.........

If you've read this far, you're probably wondering "WTF" is this guy's problem??

Well I DO have some questions!!! Sorry for the delay!

I had often made the comment as a joke of course "it's mint, cept the tunnels cracked and the frames bent" I know these are grounds to junk out a sled but as you've probably gathered, I'm attached to this one.

So, do I need a tunnel and frame from an 87 Exciter LC? Can I mod a Phazer to take my engine and liquid cooling? I know Phazers/Exciters looked the same from roughly 84-93, but how diffrent are they really?

I mean it'd be great to find a 87 Exciter LC with a busted hood, torn seat, rotton track, and seized engine for $100. I havn't found one though. Can I expand my search to include more years and the Phazer model?


Thanks guys! Sorry for the book!

Nolan

The Hossman
09-12-2004, 01:47 AM
Hi Nolan,

And welcome aboard!! SWRules I can relate to your story (well sort of), I have a similar one, only mine's about a pickup truck....

I'm not sure about the simularities between the Phazer and the Exciter, aside from the fact that they look the same. How difficult it would be to mount the Exciter drive train into a Phazer body is probably more a question of your mechanical ability, and how much you like drive a sled that looks like Frankenstein... :D

There's no doubt that there's somebody on here who can help you out, or point you to the whereabouts of a previously enjoyed Exciter that's in need of a new motor...

Good luck!

FuzzButt
09-17-2004, 02:09 PM
Best bet is to find a donor sled for your good parts. You will need to search around. Try auction sites that specialize in sleds.

Good luck. I can releate to your not wanting to get rid of the mechanicals. I loved my '88 Exciter. That's part of the reason I bought a V-Max 600 Twin.

As from what I could tell the phazer chassis is too different to make the swap easily from the 480FC to the 569LC. Stick to a '87-'90ish Exciter that has a bad motor and/ or tree damage.

mdr159
09-20-2004, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by gelf@Sep 11 2004, 06:32 PM
When I was 16 or so I had saved all summer to finally buy a snowmobile "newer" than me.* (had a collection of early 70's polaris's).

Anyway, after a summer with the bee-guy I had enough of a bank roll to pick up a 1987 Yamaha Exciter LC.* Basically a stock unit except for the sound.* In fact, it was the meanest sounding sled in the county.* I'm not sure why, but the previous owner had purchased a PSI pipe and cut it near the back taper where it would typically drop down into the underlying can.* To this contraption he had welded a stinger.* Sounded a bit like a crotch-rocket.... a bit more (tin-canny).

Anyway, It was the most dependable sled I've ever owned, 2 pulls and always a start.* Not to mention fast.....* no problem taking the needle to 110Mph.* (how accurate are sled speedo's anyway)

It had a hard life, the tunnel was cracked just before the rear suspension bolts. (had it welded, but started to re-crack)* Also, I had met up with a large washout in too little snow.* That turned into a tweaked left strut.... bent frame.

Any sled would be deemed "dead" at that point, but I loved this one too much.* I continued to drive it...... tunnel starting to crack again, hood not quite fitting right due to the tweaked TSS.

It finally met it's end in a field at 80Mph.....* blew the belt BAD.* All that was left of the belt was the outside cord.* The cord had proceeded to wrap itself up between the clutches so tight that it tore the motor mounts?!?!* The clutches were only about 2 inches apart and the motor was deffinatly at an odd angle.* Bad enough?* Well in going from 80Mph to 0Mph in the matter of one second, the chain had also came through the chain case.* Bad enough???* Well, my buddy trailing on his Artic Cat EXT came flying over the hill in the dark missing me by a matter of three feet.* Ok, so it could have been alot worse.* Just thinking about him rear-ending me at 80Mph makes me shudder.

That was nearly 7 years ago.* My Exciter has been sitting inside ever since.* Every once in awhile I go pull the rope, listen to it purr, and reminise.* I see this year the Farmers Almanac predicts a heavy snowfall.........

If you've read this far, you're probably wondering "WTF" is this guy's problem??*

Well I DO have some questions!!!* Sorry for the delay!

I had often made the comment as a joke of course* "it's mint, cept the tunnels cracked and the frames bent"* I know these are grounds to junk out a sled but as you've probably gathered, I'm attached to this one.

So, do I need a tunnel and frame from an 87 Exciter LC?* Can I mod a Phazer to take my engine and liquid cooling?* I know Phazers/Exciters looked the same from roughly 84-93, but how diffrent are they really?

I mean it'd be great to find a 87 Exciter LC with a busted hood, torn seat, rotton track, and seized engine for $100.* I havn't found one though.* Can I expand my search to include more years and the Phazer model?
Thanks guys!* Sorry for the book!

Nolan
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Nolan,
Try this website: http://www.kbnet.com/book/html/SIM.html
Another source to find parts.

gerard143
09-22-2004, 02:10 AM
hey....... swapping motors don't get much easier then doing it in sleds...


sure you can bolt that motor in a phazer chassis...shouldnt be that hard at all.

JosMN
09-22-2004, 06:05 PM
LOL, with the phazers and exciters, swappin motors isnt going to be that easy. Its a pain in the a$$ to get at a lot of things on these sleds. If swapping many changes will have to be made, cooling system, exchangers, all of that. It WILL be a ton of work, even if it would work? I agree with Fuzzbutt, its not going to be an easy swap. I would also stick with the older pre 91 Exciters with the "good" ignition. They did something with the Exciters ignition from 91-93 to prevent burn downs, the older ones IMO are much better, excluding the 93 SX, cause that thing was just plain killer in its day. I you can swap a motor with the old ignition into a newer 91-93, thats fine, the only difference basically from the 87-90's is the hood. my 91 runs strong, but doesnt have the same amount of snort as the older ones. good luck

SilverFox
10-16-2004, 09:04 PM
Nolan,

Contact this person and see if he can help, he has allot of Exciters or has access to them!

Exciter_cypher@hotmail.com

He is Canada but maybe worth the information. Tell him Sergeantdhall sent you!

Dave

intruder_mt
10-19-2004, 04:12 PM
my wife has an early 90s phazer that had an exciter motor in it that we swapped out to a 96 vmax 600. that swap was easy, they are essentially the same motor. to get the exciter motor into the phazer originally the right side of the bulkhead needed to be modified to allow room for the starter, have to add the heat exchanger, exciter bulkhead is a few inches longer than phazer so have to do pipe mods to make them fit in phazer. quite a bit of work but for mountain boondocking it works very well for my wife. i had a similar setup that i rode for a few years and loved it.

gman086
11-07-2004, 04:34 AM
>>If you&#39;ve read this far, you&#39;re probably wondering "WTF" is this guy&#39;s problem??<<

NOPE! I still have my &#39;87 Exciter and will until the day I die!!! I&#39;ve had more good memories on that sled than anything.

G MAN