I baught a 1973 Elan Single, and it has been parked for years, obviously it seized. But when I opened it up, I found out that it is seized all over, bearings, rings, piston, etc.

Anyways, long story short: I was talking to my neighbor and he mentionned to me that he has a 1982 Citation SS that he would like to ge rid off, and it runs like a charm. I believe it is a 340.

Anybody done somthing similar to this with an Elan? I could just run the Citation, but nothing beats an Elan for Fishing and Hunting...
Any Info on such a projects would be greatly appreciated, do's and dont's, maybe it is just not feasible because of the clutch configuration?

Thanks..... :confused:

The guy you want to talk to is Vintage Elan Guy. I raced his Elan with a 340 free air. And well he SMOKED me!!! lol You can't compete with a small sled and a big engine! And i guess ski-doo did make a sled a elan with a 340 so if you can find the parts for one (Actually i saw another one for sale this weekend in kitchenner) so they maybe common i don't know for sure.

but anyways do a search for him and he sould help you out.


Originally posted by Kepic@Sep 26 2004, 10:19 AM
I baught a 1973 Elan Single, and it has been parked for years, obviously it seized. But when I opened it up, I found out that it is seized all over, bearings, rings, piston, etc.

Anyways, long story short: I was talking to my neighbor and he mentionned to me that he has a 1982 Citation SS that he would like to ge rid off, and it runs like a charm. I believe it is a 340.

Anybody done somthing similar to this with an Elan? I could just run the Citation, but nothing beats an Elan for Fishing and Hunting...
Any Info on such a projects would be greatly appreciated, do's and dont's, maybe it is just not feasible because of the clutch configuration?

Thanks..... :confused:
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The Citation SS is a 368 cc motor. In '74 & '75 'doo put the 294 cc in the Elan. You might want to find out from the vintage 'doo experts if there is a 340 based on this 294 motor. It probably would be easier than sticking the 368 in it. My father had a 4500 which is similiar to the SS. I'm not exactly sure how the motor mounted to the tunnel.

I knew of some guys that stuck a 340 FC in a Elan back in the early 80s. I never saw it run, but heard it went a lot faster than the 250 :D .

I did fit an elan 300ss with slide suspension with a 377 type engine. was a great sled after that install. The 377 is not based on the 294cc engine.
The only problems I had to put this inside was the the cooling shroud of the engine interfered with the steering column. The simple fix was to bang a little on it to get some clearance. The other obligation I had was to delete the oil injction pump from the 377. Since the pump is installed on the recoil there was no place. The pump interfere with the hood. So premix was the option here. MAybe the hood could have been mod. But I did not do it.

Did the engine fit on the original mounts? (Im because, no) But, with some drilling?

Also, how did the muffler fit?

You wouldnt happen to have pics?

Thanks for the info.


Originally posted by abc@Sep 27 2004, 09:48 AM
I did fit an elan 300ss with slide suspension with a 377 type engine. was a great sled after that install. The 377 is not based on the 294cc engine.
The only problems I had to put this inside was the the cooling shroud of the engine interfered with the steering column. The simple fix was to bang a little on it to get some clearance. The other obligation I had was to delete the oil injction pump from the 377. Since the pump is installed on the recoil there was no place. The pump interfere with the hood. So premix was the option here. MAybe the hood could have been mod. But I did not do it.
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[attachmentid=15343]Ah my early teens

I had blown my Yamaha GPX 338 engine which had a 440fan in it and had to shoe horn a 396 Yamaha from a 71 SW 396 tunnel mounted vs the GPXs engine cradle mounting system

Lots of patients was needed :bash: :D but when you are 14yrs old and want to ride who needs patients,hell my crab spring was a bunch of elastics :blush:

Anyway a friend kept blowing his heads on his 250 twin Elan and came across a 340 twin out of a TNT,it was a bolt in but the steering bracket had to be widenned and that sled flew in the snow :cool:

Since it was the late 80s we called it the Elan Plus and painted it red

Had a 73 or was it a 74 elan and we installed a 440 BSE engine was quite the job. But did that thing go but had a bit of a piston problem and scraped it after the third piston went. But what a fun little sled back then :) Like everyone else has said some cutting here and their and bending some parts and also studded the track

Here is site that might answer some questions about putting a bigger motor in an Elan.

http://www.wintergreenknoll.com/ski-doo/

You just have to see it....
:dazed:

I guess someone sure had a lot of time of their hands!! Wow!! Hahahaha

I am picking up the 1982 Citation SS tommorow...ill keep you all posted on how the project went when complete. (Hopefully, ill be able to complete...)

Thanks all for the posts...but keep em coming if you got some info!



Originally posted by Sledder_Al@Sep 29 2004, 08:51 PM
Here is site that might answer some questions about putting a bigger motor in an Elan.

http://www.wintergreenknoll.com/ski-doo/

You just have to see it....
:dazed:
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Sorry no pic...I did this about 12 years ago...I did have modify engine mount to make the engine as low as I could. The exhaust was hand built and fit in the elan With the help of a mig welding machine. (Its a must in those case).

I had put a Rotax 292 single in a 71 elan, it went like stink. the motor is a straight bolt in but make sure if you do put a larger motor in you upgrade the chain case because i had recked the gears

Personally I would just ride the citation

Good luck.

To answer a couple of questions.
In 1972 Ski doo came out with a 292 Elan SS, which I have one of. It was the same engine as the T'NT, 292 hi compression with an HD carb and yes it goes pretty good. Mine has a double # 35 chain chain case in it and a drum brake because I changed it from the original single 1/2" chain and chain case as I knew that failure was iminent from past eaxperience.
I had a 71 Elan when I was younger and put a 399 TNT engine in it. It was fun to ride excpet for having to continually replace drive chains.
I know own every year ofg Elan SS except 73. I also took a 75 Elan SS chassis and built my 340FA Elan from it. I swapped the stell sliders with aluminum sliders from a 78 Elan Deluxe with a few new holes and some stiffening ribs welded in. I also ran 14 ga angle from front to back inside the tunnel under the engine mounting location to handle the added HP and torque. The SS chassis not only has a double 35 chain but the chain caes has a 1" top shaft and an outboard bearing for added strenght.
I then planted a 78, 340 FA T'NT engine in it, put dual 34 MM Mikuni carbs and had a custon pipe built for it. Yes, it goes like hell!!
It was featured in the March 2003 issue of VSCA Vintage Snowmoblie Magazine and has been to many shows in the great lakes region.
I weigh in around 300 lbs and even with me on it, it will do around 45 MPH in 500 ft on snow or grass. It comes out of the whole like a rocket propelled roller skate and is quite a handfull. It is however tame enough, if driven that way, to ride on a daily basis on the trail. I do have it licensed and insured and drive it regulalry in the winter.
That is my story.

340 FA Elan - Rob Noakes (aka) Vintage Elan Guy (http://forum.ontarioconditions.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=96)

Under the hood (http://forum.ontarioconditions.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=97)

Originally posted by Vintage Elan Guy@Oct 5 2004, 09:20 AM
It was featured in the March 2003 issue of VSCA Vintage Snowmoblie Magazine and has been to many shows in the great lakes region.


Hi Rob - I have that issue and always wanted to tell the owner what a Nice Elan! And now I have!
Can I get a picture to put on my web site? www.vintagesnowmobile.info

Thanks,
Alex

i have a few of them great little sleds and your right an elan is the best for hunting and fishing, they pull a good load of beaver to. i live in the north country and that is all i find that works the best to break trial next to my skandic supper wide track.

yes that engine will fit into the sled but you will not have that slow take off the track will spin alot easyer and you will get stsuck pulling big loads, the small one lunger elan 250 were great for there slow speeds wich made the great for puling big loads, such as mosse and such. you should ask around for a engine for that sled i ahve five of them and they get used alot on the trap line and fishing. you cant beat them die hard sleds


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Hi everyone!

Here is an update:

I did purchase the Citation SS, and was hoping to put it in the Elan, BUT another opportunity came up, and here goes the questions.

After talking to a guy at work, he mentionned that he has a complete running 2 cylinder Elan engine. Would that be easier to put in? Do I have to change the gas pump?

What else will be required?

Thanks,

Jonathan

It would certainly be much easier to put an Elan motor in, The best guy to ask would be Vintage Elan Guy.