Ok you doo heads,
* Where can I look for a zx chassis to drop a 809+ into. I can't take seeing all you guys and gals Dooing it. I'm going to take the project plung for fun IF and only IF I can find some killer deals on a chassis and motor.
Caleb

It depends how good a ZX you want. *

If you want one with damage go to a salvage yard.

If you want one thats really good go find one used. *

If you want a brand new one go and buy a 380fan and take the motor out.

Machzzzz1,
Would the fan chassis be the same as the mxz though? I'd buy good gas shocks. *But what about the rear skid? Bars,seat etc?Although I'm sure that racers will be selling alot of this stuff. *What does a 380 fan go for new or used usually.
Caleb

The Mxz fan is a ZX chassie the same as a Mxz 800 X only it doesnt have the 13 inch suspention it has only 10. *It also has a the sc-10 suspention and it only has a speedo no tach. *Plus it comes with steel skis which is good because i would switch them to persision ski right away.

A Mxz380fan RER would cost you 3999.00 US dollars. (Make sure it is with hydralic brakes not mechanical.)

Then you sell the 380 fan motor for 500-1000 to either your dealer or to an other guy who would like a 380. *Since they are a old motor and lots of sled have them it probably wouldnt be a problem. *Plus some guy might want RER.

Then get a 809 triple and bring the sled to the guy whos putting it in if its not yourself.

After the engine is installed its time to work on the rear skid. *

The 380 doesnt come with the SC-10 3 skid. *To get the SC-10 3 you would have to get a 500 liquid cooled mxz which cost a lot more.

One of the problems with going with a 380 is that the 380 is AIR cooled. *You would have to find the heat exchanger for a liquid cooled sled somewhere and install it. *I dont think its that big a problem and i wonder if the exchanger is that much money anyway.

You have a choice. *Go with a aftermarket suspention, Go with a SC-102 like in a regular mach or modifiy the SC-10.


I would go with Modifiy the SC-10. *Out of all the stock skids it is probably best suited to hooking up the triple power.

Get the ETS kit from Ad bovin and install that, Then install a set of Ohline gas shocks Back and center. * Then add 2 idlers on each side by the bend in the rail and giving you a total of 3 per side. *

This sled would scream. *

You could also upgrade your brakes buy draining the fluid and using dot 4 with stainless steal braided brake lines. *

You would also need the MPEM of a Mach Z to make all of the electronics work. *And make sure you know if the 809 you are putting in has RER because that might make a diffrence with the MPEM.

This sled would flat out rock. *I have a guy who build these things and they truly are the ultimate weapon. *They are also so light.

Dam you Machzzzz1,
* Why did you have to make sounds so easy. I bit more of a challenge may have kept me away from it. This has been *one of those projects that is always in the bacxkof a sled heads mind. I'm going to look and see what a mxz 500 goes for at the actions and used. Can't be much for a 5oo. Plus it will be real easy to sell that motor. Thanks for all the info man. Maybe I'll only get one of those RX-1's I ordered. *What does a 809 go for used/built? I've seen heavy moded motors for sale. I'm sure ZMachman can help me in the motor department when the time comes. *Think the fan hood would get more races? http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Maybe I'll be DOOing it yet.
Caleb

getting the 500 liquid would make things a lot easier and your right it would be pretty easy to sell. *But having the letting 380F on the cowl with the power of the 809 under it would be so cool. *Talk about a sleeper. *

I dont want to scare you but my dealer told me that the 809 price is High. *My bet and this is ballpark is around 4500cdn. *But i have no clue so you better check. *

I would get a used one and rebuild it to make a lot of power anyways.

Don't forget about clutches. I think the 380 uses a different clutch.

I've seen killer built z motors for $1500 - $3000 us dollars. I know the chain case from a mxz440/500 is the same as the 800 I believe so that won't be a concern. Clutches seem to be getting cheaper and someone has to have one laying around. You guys need to clean out your garages for this one. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Caleb

Stick with this project Dogg. *When your finished and it really shouldnt be that long you will really have a killer sled. *You are simply compleating the work that skidoo should have done. *

I think you will be really happy with this thing.

Dam, I come into the Doo site and look where it's gotten me. I don't think this will be to expensive either compared to to new RX-1's. ####, there $19,000. $2,000 for the motor,$1,500 pipes etc, $2,500-4,000 for the sled -$800 after selling the motor=$6,700 for a kick ### sled.
Caleb

A decent used 809 will run you about $2000 US. I see you are American, and so would suggest buying one in Canada, since the exchange would save you alot cash. I did quite a bit of research when I was thinking about putting an 809 into my S-2000 mxz. Also, I was told that a guy by the name of Bondi somewhere in Ontario has already done this conversion, and would likely be able to help you out immensely. Especially as far as pipes and other miscellaneus chassis modification. I lost the number though. MR.670 was the guy that gave me the info I believe.

Besides...its not the price of the engine that is gonna kill you...its the pipes....Here in Canada, custom made triple pipes are worth your first born....but if you buy everything in Canada, I bet you could save a bundle.

I'm sure the ZMan has a few engines sitting around collecting dust http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I was told guys were putting stock pipes and can s into the sleds. There were posts in the forums last year with pics and all that show's the swap into 440 chassis's. Custom pipes here are under $1000 easily as long as there is room to fit them.
Caleb

Sled Dogg - I know of someone selling a slightly modded 809
(172HP claimed w/Jaws pipes) for $1400 over by Grand Rapids if you are interested I'll give you the info. It's going to
be put on EBAY shortly though!

Maluchm,
* Being a mortgage broker I won't be getting tons of cash till the nd of next month. Just paying crap off now and still have a few goodies for my muntain bike to buy and my car stereo lol. I know that I'll be able to find some good deals thankfully. *The biggest question is now going to be whether or not to get the RX-1's or only one of the two I ordered. Welll my first sled was a 1977 Doo Olympic 340. So I guess this would be my coming home. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif *
P.S. so all you forum guys and gakls call me so I can get you a great interest rate to pay for this. *I just re-financed a couple who's loan i closed Febv 28 of this year. Rates are great. You'd be supprised at what i can do for you and fees are very resonable, good credit bad it doesn't matter. I've been doing alot of shortning of terms also 25 and 20 yr mortgages are big now with the rates.. So pm me for a mortgage analysis.

Caleb

I would only get the one Rx-1 for now. *Having two diffrent awsome machines is better then having two of the same awsome machine.

And Dogg, *Welcome Home. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I just talked to Jet Hot, $200 to coat trip pipes and $60 for trip silencers. Not bad I think.
Caleb

Just checked out the whitestar auction site and at the june austio *a machz went for 2,800 and a 2002 mxz500 went for 3100. This definetly will be a resonable costing project.
Caleb

Don't quote me on this, but I think those auction prices are the highest bid and doesn't mean that they sold at that price. *The reserve could have been higher than the bid price.

Just get a used one with high milage.

Your going to change the engine and clutch anyways. *

Then the shocks and front bushings (bushings are penuts and easy to install. *

I bet you could get a ZX 500 for 3400.00 us used maybe cheaper. but with sc-102 suspention. *You would have to buy a new 500 to get sc-103

They only post the sleds that sold. So I'm sure that there will be other mxz 500's for sale in the aug action, that's when i'm going to go I think or Sept. Even if I pay High dollar around $3700 once i sell the motor I'd have 3000 into it. I had no idea they were going so cheap and the motors also.
*Heres the link for the june 2002 sled auctions : http://www.snowmobileauction.com/June.html
Caleb

What do you guys/gals thionk a zx /machz motored sled would weigh in at empty with HPG shocks all around and 1 1/4 inch track ? It would also have presision skis,crank shop or dyno port pipes most likely so that should be a weight savings big time.
Caleb

Yup. *Those 2002 Mxz 500s are probably what you would want for this project. *That is a pretty good price. *

Then like you said you sell the engine and your laughing.

bondi engine works sells kits w/pipes for 1800 dollars u.s. funds.you need engine, carbs ,fuel pump, electronics and ck3 air box to complete the swap.chris also told me he has one of his customers sleds that is for sale with one of his engines for 12,000 dollars canadian funds.seems he is building an rev 809 for this guy.there was an 00 mxz 700 chassis (no engine) in the indiana auto r.v. paper for 2,800.chris told me that he has no way of weighing a sled but he did weight the components coming off and the ones going back on and said there was 10 lbs. differance.

Dooman found a company in Canada that makes a drop in conversion kit to place a FIII or Mach Z motor in a ZX. They include every single fitting. It's $1,650 Cd funds. Pipes are like $700 In us funds, Jaws makes them for them to there specs. The project is moving along Machzzzz1.
Caleb

Good to see your still on it!!


Cant wait to here your opinion on the finished product. *You gotta take pictures.

Sled Dogg the zx I seen must have been in feb. or march.I looked at the books at work dating to mid. of april and the only zx in those was not what your looking for its totaled just a parts sled.I would like to take the credit for the find, but if you had done a search you would have found the topic.it was around last year and over the winter.I just became very interested in the project and am thinking about building one ,if doo does not for 04 I will start the project.I am trying to get a place built in Irons so I will have a place to stay while I am up there,so I am being real tight with my funds.

I can pick up new left over 02 mxz 500 around 3000 us so I'll be DOOing this at the whitestarauctions. It's all coming together quite easily thanks to all of the great members on this site. Thank you all sled. It's ALL your Fault Machzzzz1!!!!!!!!! http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif *You'll get to ridw it this winter Machzzzz1 and all who helped bring it together.
Caleb

I wonder how gutless your RX1 will feel after riding your MACH Zx *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Just bringing it back to the top.
Caleb

Looks like this will be the chassis I'll be getting if everything goes right the next few hours: So the project should really get into full swing and be done in the next month or so as business is booming right now. I'm re-financing all of my past clients plus more. I hope to have the motor picked up in the next two weeks also.:

Looking good. *Thats one lucky chassie, its gonna be blessed with the 809.
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It'll be blessed alright! But it may not stay a 809 http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif !We'll see if I can keep this trip trip "normal", but having ran a PSI 1350 I may get tempted to go all out by the middle of the season. We'll see if I get any other sleds He He!!
Caleb

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sled Dogg @ Aug. 16, 2002, 10:59am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Looks like this will be the chassis I&#39;ll be getting if everything goes right the next few hours: So the project should really get into full swing and be done in the next month or so as business is booming right now. I&#39;m re-financing all of my past clients plus more. I hope to have the motor picked up in the next two weeks also.:[/b][/quote]
Noice!

Where&#39;d you find the sled? *What Sno-X circuit was it raced on?

Let us know if you buy it and approx $$$ if you don&#39;t mind. *I want an MXZX chassis too now! *I have a perfectly good 670 to drop right in there!

I found the sled on ebay! The auction ended a minute ago and I&#39;m the winner, a few fools tried to beat me but they always gave up http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ! $1,476 and I have to pick it up in Minnesota. I can&#39;t wait to ge this project started. And to think it was all beacause I went into the Doo forum to look around and look what Machzzzz1 has talked me into! http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif It&#39;s going to be a fun winter. Pitty the fool that tries me on it though if they&#39;re dumb enough not to know the trip trip sound under the hood.
Caleb

It was a 16 year olds race sled before the current owner bought it a year or two ago. The kids name was Jamie or bobby Lapaige and he was sponserd by Amsoil as i had suspected of the sled. The current owner dunked it w few times the last time after a belt got wet and slipped behind the clitch taking out the seals on the motor. That motor is still for sale on ebay. Thought that I&#39;d give you guys the update.
caleb

pence recreation has at least one mxzx trade in coming ,I think two.guy that owned the one ran some limited snow-x races last year with this sled and an 800 open doo motor.sled will have the stock very low hours 440 in it.

I&#39;ll be starting my zx/809 project in the next few weeks.Bringing this back as isomeone asked about it.
Caleb

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sled Dogg @ Aug. 18, 2002, 7:57pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It was a 16 year olds race sled before the current owner bought it a year or two ago. The kids name was Jamie or bobby Lapaige and he was sponserd by Amsoil as i had suspected of the sled. The current owner dunked it w few times the last time after a belt got wet and slipped behind the clitch taking out the seals on the motor. That motor is still for sale on ebay. Thought that I&#39;d give you guys the update.
caleb[/b][/quote]
1500 USD&#39;s for a ZX chassis....that&#39;s an incredible deal, way to go.

I&#39;m still trying to get my hands on an S2000 chassis for cheaps, having a hard time too. *Found a &#39;97 Formula 500 chassis the other day for 1200 CDN, I may jump on that one and slap in the 670 twin-pipe I have for this winter.

Keep us all posted on your triple project, be sure to drive by Valcourt on it when you&#39;re done http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

-Rob

I actually got it for 1476 but I though it had atleat the secondary on it. So when I found out that it didn&#39;t I mentioned it and he knocked 200 bucks off so I git it for $1,276. A steal for sure.
Caleb

Sled Dogg are you getting the conversion kit from Bondi?
I have seen 7 or 8 *Zx&#39;s that Bondi has put tripples in, and they are a great trail sled! A very fast great trail sled! * I wish I had one!

Yup, I&#39;m getting one of Chris&#39;s kits as it&#39;s complete.
Caleb