it seems that alot of people complain about speeders on the trail. i myself like to travel fast (within my limits). but i can understand some people complaining about us. nothing is more annoying then rolling up on a group of 10 snowmobilers who have no clue and ride about 20mph and don't let you pass.therefore i think i have a good idead...........................we should have color coded and diamond shape trails like the ski areas.....i.e. an orange diamond could be a slow ,family trail..............blue diamond , would be a cruising trail between 30-60mph, .........black diamond would be , well you get the idea. this would also relieve the stress of worrying about a cop radaring us on the trail. let our fast people ride with fast people and the slow people ride with slow people.....what ya think
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I have no problem with fast drivers as long as they stay on there side of the trail,but unfortunately most don't.Don't get me wrong I am no slouch on a sled I like to giver like the next guy,but with in my abilities.This means no cut corners,Try and drive fast with out swinging and cutting corners, at that point you have reached your abilities.Start cutting and scaring the hell out of people your just another throttle jockey. :bash:
As far as fast and slow trails give your head a shake with the cost of everything now being on the brink, we don't need anymore funds needlessly spent.Maybe these people are riding with in there abilities.So if you think you must drive faster there will be an opportunity to get by eventually

not trying to offend, but I dont believe the idea would work,,, your still gonna have guys thinking they are riding fast that arent,,,, then your gonna have the family trail and people passing others there,,,, its going to happen no matter how you do it.
another downfall is funding,,,, there isnt enough $$$ or volunteers out there right now to groom 3 seperate trail systems,,,,
as for coming up on a group of 10 riders running 20mph,,,, remember, they have the same exact right to be on that trail as you do. No it isnt right that they dont slide over and let you pass,,, but they do have a right to be there,,,, no everybody wants to ride 80mph down the trail,,,,

I also don't think that is a good idea. Ya know how dangerous the black diamond trail would be......speed limits are set to protect YOU and ME. And there will always be that inexperienced guy that goes on the black diamond trail, and you know what happens. If an experienced rider (lets use you) are riding down a *black diamond trail* obeying the law, traveling at a high rate of speed in your lane, and being safe, then the inexperienced BMW (Blair Morgan Wannabe) darts right in front of and........
-I for sure would not want to put my safety *my life* in the hands of other snowmobilers.

If they had a highway for fast driving (100+) and for slow (-65), dont you think EVERYONE would take the fast highway.

we here in ontario have enough trouble with clowns suing the clubs for their own throttle happy boo boo's. i know of one that is in the courts right now and if i spouted off what i know it could change the way the plaintiff presents their case. we don't need a go kill or maim yourself lane. {keep this in mind i over the past few days have done 90+ miles per hour on the trails}. yes there is always going to be the ninja fast riders and they are going to have to respect the permit buyer that drives slow and paid the same for his permit as mr fast. if you want to ride fast then do it where it is safe and you can see there are no others in your path. i have come behind slow riders that are doing nothing more then lolly gagling along at 20 mph for miles i had to follow. there will always be a spot that you can safely pass them.

Originally posted by goldbergrx1@Jan 1 2005, 07:58 PM
it seems that alot of people complain about speeders on the trail. i myself like to travel fast (within my limits). but i can understand some people complaining about us. nothing is more annoying then rolling up on a group of 10 snowmobilers who have no clue and ride about 20mph and don't let you pass.therefore i think i have a good idead...........................we should have color coded and diamond shape trails like the ski areas.....i.e. an orange diamond could be a slow ,family trail..............blue diamond , would be a cruising trail between 30-60mph, .........black diamond would be , well you get the idea. this would also relieve the stress of worrying about a cop radaring us on the trail. let our fast people ride with fast people and the slow people ride with slow people.....what ya think
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What "Cops" are you talking about? We have no cops on the trails here in Iowa. But then again, we have no snow on our trails either.

ok ...............................so it won't work.............i think you guys are taking what i said a little far . more or less have specific trails just for sight see ers and family, maybe not even a main trail, a trail that they know is specified for them. the problem lies with every guy in here complaining about that one guy who comes around the corner to wide. well guess what, i'm sure everyone of you at point or another has been that guy, or has lost control of a situation (sled)for a second. i know i have , and thats what makes me a better driver today because of the stupid things i did when i was younger,now, i'm not worried about a 30 something or 40 something guy driving...........i' worry about the 18-25 guy, with 150 hp sled trying to get a trophy at the next stop sign, or dwi guys. i figure why not designate an area for mom/dad/and junior to ride and not have them worry (as much)

Originally posted by goldbergrx1@Jan 2 2005, 07:32 AM
ok ...............................so it won't work.............i think you guys are taking what i said a little far . more or less have specific trails just for sight see ers and family, maybe not even a main trail, a trail that they know is specified for them. the problem lies with every guy in here complaining about that one guy who comes around the corner to wide. well guess what, i'm sure everyone of you at point or another has been that guy, or has lost control of a situation (sled)for a second. i know i have , and thats what makes me a better driver today because of the stupid things i did when i was younger,now, i'm not worried about a 30 something or 40 something guy driving...........i' worry about the 18-25 guy, with 150 hp sled trying to get a trophy at the next stop sign, or dwi guys. i figure why not designate an area for mom/dad/and junior to ride and not have them worry (as much)
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i dont think you get it THERE AREN'T ENOUGH TRAILS AS IT IS AND THE SYSTEM IS FINANCIALLY STRANGLED, ALSO VOLUNTEERS ARE IN SHORT SUPPLY . Mark

All of the trails are there for all of us. Realizing there are riders on them with different capabilities and expectations SHOULD be part of the picture in your head when you start your sled and start down one of them. No different than the potential for a deer to jump the trail in front of you when you least expect it, or a missing stop sign/stop ahead warning at an unexpected intersection. I like to ride fast too. But I also enjoy displaying the respect necessary when dealing with those that might THINK they are going fast, just plain don't want to, and other conditions in general. I guess I like to try and think along the lines of the WHOLE picture, not just mine. It's not that hard, and it becomes part of the game easily.

No, I don't like following clowns with mirrors going down the middle of a tight trail for miles either. Eventually you WILL have a chance to get around them. Until then, enjoy the scenery. Might as well, because stuff like that is always going to happen now and then (just like a thaw). Makes you appreciate when times are better all the more. Gives you something to talk about at the next stop.....

It does make you wonder whay some of those people are thinking as they look in their mirror and see 2 or 3 machines right on their tail, obviously wanting to pass. It drives me crazy having to ride 20mph on one of my favorite trails because some slow poke thinks that he's riding as fast as anybody should go, and won't let people pass.

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I have no problem with fast drivers as long as they stay on there side of the trail,but unfortunately most don't.

I agree with that statement 100% sawman. And the problm is geting worse, NOT better :bash: When i ride with my son and wife there are some trails that i avoid because of blind corners and johnny sno-cross wannabe's :cussing: Sledding is a great family sport but some clueless individuals make it very hard. I have and will continue to tell people if they are riding like a complete moron !!!

I would still rather encounter someone out riding at 20mph than a retard dooing 80mph.

yes a slower rider does tork ya at times but think of this . if he didnt spend HIS $$ to enjoy the sport that trail might not be there cause of funding to lease it from the land owner ? were all in it together , us as sledders need to remember were stronger as a group rather than segragating fast riders and slow ones . hummm if a slow riding zone has 0 accedents and the fast one has alot of problems who will get the funding ? i think the best way to stop some of the tragadys and bad images us sledders get from these blair morgan want-a-bee,s
is lets look into one way trail systems . then its a bit safer for all
theres always a place to get around a slower rider but theres NO place to go when some wing nug come s around a cornner at 80 mph and is in your lane !!! common curtesy and supporting the sport as one group will make the future of this sport . one death over shadows all the good
that was acomplish to make it better . eventhough it wasnt our fault
we suffer .

Ahh, 2 of my favourite subjects. Ever since I t boned a sled on my side of the trail, I'm extremely gun shy approaching corners figuring some idgit will be cutting the corner. I wonder how many of these wannabes have started out on a putt putt in their parents yard or just bought a sled because their buddies all have sleds. In their minds they're "expert" sledders because the have a XXX sled. They consider OUR trails as their own personal SX track & ride like there won't be anyone coming from the other direction.

We all know where to pick our places when to pick up the pace. If you were to do the speed limit in northern Ontario or Quebec, you'd have to camp overnight in the bush. You'd never get to your destination. Plus you're riding on wide trails w/ good visibility. I've also seen my local club put up the infamous 50 kph signs where you're lucky to do 30.

I have also had 2 inconsiderate sledders hold up a group of riders. These 2 looked back & saw us, but made no attempt to pull over.

If people used their noodles as we tell my nephew, there wouldn't be the "issues" on the trails.

I've seen morons on trail doing anwhere from 10 to 90 MPH. A better solution would be a MORON ONLY TRAIL and a NON-MORON TRAIL although I don't believe you would get many to admit they were morons. :lmao:

Sounds like a great idea! Snore, oh I must have been dreaming :lmao:

Originally posted by Rollo D. Motoski@Jan 2 2005, 11:53 AM
I've seen morons on trail doing anwhere from 10 to 90 MPH. A better solution would be a MORON ONLY TRAIL and a NON-MORON TRAIL although I don't believe you would get many to admit they were morons.* :lmao:
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Sounds like a good idea :crazy: :D

The one-way might be the only possible option if there was a way to fund it. But then again people get one-way streets wrong all the time how is a hardly marked trail going to work?

Originally posted by paul yarek@Jan 1 2005, 10:28 PM
i have come behind slow riders that are doing nothing more then lolly gagling along at 20 mph for miles i had to follow. there will always be a spot that you can safely pass them.
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it has happened to me about 4-5 times in the same amount of years. if you let that bother you then you have serious issues that require proffesional help.

I agree with sawman and revrnd 100 percent.

"When on the trail there is no yellow line - but one side is yours and the other is mine".

This is my modo when trail riding and I try to stay left at ALL times. It amazes me when I ride down a recently groomed trail to see how many people have only ridden up the middle of the trail :dazed: . There often is 4 feet of trail untouched on the right that nobody rode on :confused: .

Just a thought:

If there is thousands and thousands of kms of logging roads and unmaintained roads, millions of acres of open feilds and meadows and god only know how many square kms of frozen lakes.......

Why do the snow cross wanta bee's ride on the trails that are designed for used by everyone at a maximun of 50 kmh ( in Ontario) ?

Originally posted by IndySKS@Jan 2 2005, 06:06 PM
Just a thought:

If there is thousands and thousands of kms of logging roads and unmaintained roads, millions of acres of open feilds and meadows and god only know how many square kms of frozen lakes.......

Why do the snow cross wanta bee's ride on the trails that are designed for used by everyone at a maximun of 50 kmh ( in Ontario) ?
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BINGO :wink:

I think that the situation of having other trails still wouldnt work. Yes it amy keep a few beginners from going on them, but I know that where I ride I have to go onto trails to get to places. Many people on the trail are going places, like me. I always ride to my friends which is 20 miles away and then we go from their. So if their was a "expert trail" that could save me from going an extra 10 miles, you can bet ill take it. Let me also tell you that no I am no speed demon, I ride my capabiliteis but my friends mxzx is always waiting at me for the stop sign. So I would be one of those "slow" people on your lets see how fast I can go trails. So people would use the trails to get places. Now if tourists come up then no, they dont have places to go so they could stay off, but I'm willing to bet they wont. And if your going to ride fast, go at night and be sober, then at least people like me can see you coming and stay clear out of your way. But during the day, slow down a bit on the corners and keep the new sledders on the trail from being scared crapless when a maniac comes rolling around on a corner on their side. I used to do it on a Bravo 250 once, and ill say when I hit that tree on a corner I definnetely are a lot more careful now.

Originally posted by ski-doorider@Jan 2 2005, 04:33 PM
I agree with sawman and revrnd 100 percent.

"When on the trail there is no yellow line - but one side is yours and the other is mine".

This is my modo when trail riding and I try to stay left at ALL times. It amazes me when I ride down a recently groomed trail to see how many people have only ridden up the middle of the trail :dazed: . There often is 4 feet of trail untouched on the right that nobody rode on :confused: .
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Don't you mean right? :crazy: :D

Originally posted by Rollo D. Motoski@Jan 2 2005, 11:53 AM
I've seen morons on trail doing anwhere from 10 to 90 MPH. A better solution would be a MORON ONLY TRAIL and a NON-MORON TRAIL although I don't believe you would get many to admit they were morons.* :lmao:
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And just where are us Knobs supposed to ride! :lmao:

beer and/or speed cover 99% of all sledding accidents. slow riders-just deal with it, their trail pass money helps, too. mike

wow,,, so I should just say what the heck when I come to a corner and have some drunk running 90 on my side of the trail,,,,,just because he paid for a trail permit????

this is the kind of thought process that makes someone want to find another hobby,,,,,,,,,,

<<<wow,,, so I should just say what the heck when I come to a corner and have some drunk running 90 on my side of the trail,,,,,just because he paid for a trail permit???? >>>

I think the intent was to say that there is that possibility, always has been, and you should be prepared to deal with it.......

If you are looking for a pastime where there is no potential for danger, this may not be the one you are looking for.

I am not saying this is, or should be, a normal situation. I&#39;m not saying this situation is good, I enjoy it, I&#39;m proud that it exists, or that I&#39;m an advocate of that type of behavior. I am saying it happens. Wether the guy has been drinking, has overdriven his experience/visibility, or has just dodged another incident before meeting you, there will be a guy on the wrong side of the trail in your experience. Hopefully you&#39;re ready for it and can get out of his way. To believe otherwise, that something like this will never happen, is not in your best interest.

I&#39;m also saying that when something like that does happen, I&#39;m looking for the number 2 and number 3 sleds. They&#39;re likely going to be right there, only they may be running with a lot less visibility....

Like I said earlier, the WHOLE picture, not just yours.....

Yes I did mean keep right at ALL times :p .

Thanks for catching that boo-boo revrnd :D

Very well put michachicks, and I agree 100%.
As they say, expect the unexpected. I don&#39;t go left on blind corners because I expect someone to be coming the other way, but I always know that I have to be ready for someone on my side of the trail even if I&#39;m on the right. It&#39;s poor consolation to be able to put the blame on someone else after an accident. I&#39;d rather avoid the accident in the forst place.

wow,,, so I should just say what the heck when I come to a corner and have some drunk running 90 on my side of the trail,,,,,just because he paid for a trail permit????

this is the kind of thought process that makes someone want to find another hobby,,,,,,,,,, i wasnt very clear on that post. slow peoples trail passes help. drunk riders should not be allowed to get trail passes. mike

i agree it wouldnt work when i go out with a couple of my buddie that are new to the sport i purposely go slow because they are young(i am only 21) and think they are great. if i go fast they go fast. kinda sucks rideing with them but in a few more years they will grow-up and slow down.when i go fast it is only because i know how fast i can go.