Hey guys I have heard some people say that speed limits and stuff like that will be inforced soon around here (Manitoba,Canada). I was woundering if any other areas in canada and the US have speed limits and does this go on your licence? Do you think they will have cops on sleds that could actualy catch us. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif

Our speed limit is 55mph. *Or if you're in the ditch, the limit is whatever the limit is on the road if it's under 55. *I think if you get caught fleeing on your sled, they'll take your sled away. *I can't remember if any violations go on your driving record. *Let me check.

My bad. The speed limit is 50, not 55.
And fleeing is a felony.

In Ontario, the max limit on any OFSC trail is 50km. *(and we all drive that speed too) *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I did hear of a few speeding tickets last year, but don't know if they affect your record. *However if you can loose your drivers licence for riding a bicycle drunk, I'm sure speeding on a sled will also affect your license.

FishHog

Here we have a 50mph speed limit at night. *But, it isn't enforced real well.

Here in Michigan the speed limit is 55 day or night, no after market pipes or cans, no headlight covers and your hands cannot leave the handle bars while under motion......
A violation of any one of these means immediate confication of your sled and to be sold at the auction in Bronson! http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

hehehehehehheheh http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif

Last year in Indian Lake N.Y. they were radar enforcing a 30 mph speed limit.

Since when has Mich had a speed limit? *I have come upon DNR a trail intersections and never had any problems. *There is no possible way that they could not have noticed that I was speeding either. *Usually I have to wait for others to catch me and the DNR looks at the trail permit and then I b.s. with them till the rest of my group arrives. *All of the DNR sleds I have seen are 500cc touring sleds.

The OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) sleds I have seen have all been touring sleds also. *I believe they were only 380 fan sleds.

FishHog

no booze & cruise

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mikadoo @ July 31, 2002, 7:16pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">your hands cannot leave the handle bars while under motion......[/b][/quote]
You&#39;re kidding aren&#39;t you? If not how are you supposed to signal?

The OPP has been out in force last winter with the radar. They were also ticketing for coloured headlight bulbs. MSV Act says they must be white.

The Peterborough OPP that were patrolling on the Paudash trails had 500 fan Tourings (ZX chassis)

One of the things that Bill 101 included was a "fleeing" section. We had a case in Apsley where the cops tried to stop a rider & he just took off.

Some changes in Vermont this year. Stock pipes and cans only. Colored light lenses no longer permitted.(Will trade mine, yellow for 01 MXZ800, for snow flap) Landownwers have the right to curfew during night hours(11p.m. - 6a.m.) Mandatory liabilty insurance starting in September 03. The curfew thing is a problem for me because getting from point a to point b in Vt. often calls for going by residences. Our "mounties" in the Rutland area ride the new cat four bangers.

Man if speed limits were inforced in Manitoba a lot of people would be pissed off for a while. That takes most of the fun out of it all. I love raceing cars on the hiways and riping past them going 80-100 mph.

I also head that they may be making us put large numbers on our hoods for trail passes or something. My sled will look like a boat after all this crap. Is it like this in Ontario yet?

Who wants to go 30 mph anyways? We may as well buy 340 fans like the Rcmp.

Yes the speed limit is 55mph in Michigan unless otherwise posted. Same on lakes to, just like boats. It&#39;s not enforced hardly at all so no big deal, ask a DNR sometime.

3 cheers for Vermont! At least their trying to save snowmobiling! You guy&#39;s with loud sleds and silly light covers will hopefully HAVE to follow Vermont&#39;s laws someday[here we go again laws] or go back to the old day&#39;s of riding your $8000.00 sled in YOUR backyard.
Sorry to sound like a dick, but if you few violators dont wake up, the sport will be gone for all of us *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif

revrnd, you will never see me raise my hands on the trail! I think it is the dumbest thing anyone can do! As I have stated in many other posts on this subject. I think it totally unsafe and serves no purpose what&#39;s so ever.IMO

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mikadoo @ Aug. 01, 2002, 5:02pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">revrnd, you will never see me raise my hands on the trail! I think it is the dumbest thing anyone can do! As I have stated in many other posts on this subject. I think it totally unsafe and serves no purpose what&#39;s so ever.IMO[/b][/quote]
I think that is very good for the first rider in a group of snowmobiles to let oncomeing sleds know how many people are in their group. This way you know when you can giver a little more. If the lead guy signals you 4 guys and you only see 3 guys you know there will be one stragler and you will be watching for him. This is realy good in tight trail systems.

You see MXZ, it&#39;s the mentality of guy&#39;s like you that make hand signaling a farce. As you stated: [This way you know when you can giver a little more] The guy signaling how many are in the group or the last guy signaling he&#39;s last means NOTHING!!!! There could be another group behind them or soon to be. So your giving it to her could be just that, right into someone&#39;s loved one. Get the point?

In the Motorized Snow Vehicle handbook that I had as a kid the 3 signals were Stop, LH & RH turn. I signal that there are people behind me because the speed at which some riders approach you, they should be warned that there are sleds behind you in the snow dust.

I realize some people get carried away and/or have a hard enough time keeping their sled under control at the best of times.

What are you supposed to do if something gets on your shield? Pull over to the side? You&#39;ve got to be kidding. A simple swipe across it with your glove shouldn&#39;t be illegal.

I&#39;ll agree with you on the sleds coming up from behind the last man in the group. I&#39;ve had people signal that they are the last in a group, when in fact there are sleds a short distance behind them. *

Did something happen in Michigan that caused the government to bring it in? Does the same type of law apply to motorcycles on the road?

revrnd,revrnd, there is no law about your hands leaving your handle bars, it was a joke!!!! http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
But IMO hand signals ARE! http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
Here we go again on the hand signals thing, dont kill me Corey http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif

Boy did *I ever fall for that one http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/withstupid.gif Get out the fish hook.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (another MXZ @ July 31, 2002, 12:05pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey guys I have heard some people say that speed limits and stuff like that will be inforced soon around here (Manitoba,Canada).[/b][/quote]
"In addition, the legislation would create a new "imprudent driving" offence which would apply to all off-road vehicle operators. This offence would permit law enforcement officials to charge operators who drive too fast for the terrain conditions."

I picked this up from another site. Boy is that ever going to be up for debate. A cop that has never been on a snowmobile would probably ticket anyone going faster than a snail. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

In Ontario we can use our own #s. There was quite a battle a few years ago about the use of custom numbers. As long as they are of a contrasting colour, meet a minimum height & stroke width, you&#39;re legal. We don&#39;t have to use boat numbers.

This may be the wrong way to look at it but we do have restrictions here in lower upper Michigan but haven&#39;t paid too much attention to them. *I forget how many times I have been chased by the county sheriffs with their MX 440 fans, and how many times I haven&#39;t been caught. *My luck will run out eventually. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif

About the hand signals to fellow riders. *Like you stated it really makes no sense to hold out your fist telling others you are the last rider because odds are there is somebody behind you that is not in view. *So when I do that hand signaling I always hold out 5 digits even if I am the last person in a group.

Ok, I guess that signals that indicate the number of sleds in your group may be somewhat missleading; BUT I would rather let the oncomeing person know that I am not riding alone. Expectaly if I have a lead on the rest of the pack.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (revrnd @ Aug. 01, 2002, 8:54pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">A cop that has never been on a snowmobile would probably ticket anyone going faster than a snail. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif[/b][/quote]
Most any cop that they put on a sled would either not have enough expereance to keep up with us or be on a brutaly slow sled. They may as well put my mother on a sled and tell her to make to calls. Every one would get pulled over.

If the province wants to be serious about this they must get a large budget to buy some 800&#39;s and get some experianced guys to patrol the trails.

Give those hot doggers on 800s? I don&#39;t think so. Back in the 70s when the OPP constables actually lived in Apsley, we were friends with a few. They were wondering how one of the guys was getting stone chips on the trunk of his cruiser. It was from his antenna bending back & the end of hit hitting the trunk.

No I don&#39;t like the idea of these guys bombing around on the trails, there are enough cowboys on the trails.

Hit the drinkers hard & a lot of them will get p.o.&#39;ed & stay off the trails.

Get rid of the drinking and riding folk and hit them hard. *Drink and ride... and you should be made to kiss your sled good bye in my books! *I think more patrols need to be setup at bar parking lots or just outside of them and nail them there. *Money better spent than trying to nab some people for speeding.... c&#39;mon... 55mph on a lake?

I live in Manitoba and a general speed limit is not for me. *This wouldnt deter anybody who rides reckless to slow down! *I think that a compromise could be acceptable and could actually work and be enforcable. *What I mean, is maybe localized areas could have speed limits.. ie a town could setup a speed limit say in a 1 km zone around and including a town to slow people down in such a high traffic area. *Or say you have an hidden intersection in the bushes... put up a speed limit around that interstection. *The NR officers could do a radar trap there... this would also be to the benefit of actually encouraging safety... not a just a cash grab that would have no impact on accident rates. *It also wouldnt take away any fun coming off the throttle for that brief time... you know that you can speed up again shortly... less temptation to speed in a potentially dangerous area? *Then you also could have a real speed limit... its a hidden intersection... slow down to 20 mph?? *55mph might give people a false sense of safety?

I also don&#39;t think its a good idea to give the "enforcers" high speed sleds... don&#39;t need one of them hurting themselves and then we have to pay even more taxes to pay for that whole "spiel"... and... I think that would also encourage the few people that would run, to go too fast and hurt themselves... more bad publicity.

I don&#39;t want one of those boat sticker jobs... maybe custom numbers... maybe. *Then we should be able to lose the plate?

I agree with you Skidoowes. I think that only hazard areas and tight bush should have speed limits to prevent crashes; but not on frigin groomed lake. That would be just stupid.

I think that Manitoba may have a problem with alot of guys hiting the bars and then hiting the trails or river. If you go to lockport on a friday or Saturday there will be 50 sleds out side the bar. Now out of the 50 sleds how many of them have had to many?

Originally posted by another MXZ@Jul 31 2002, 02:13 PM
Hey guys I have heard some people say that speed limits and stuff like that will be inforced soon around here (Manitoba,Canada). I was woundering if any other areas in canada and the US have speed limits and does this go on your licence? Do you think they will have cops on sleds that could actualy catch us. :devil:
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Ontario sure does have a speed limit and they will catch you. Some of the things the Cops are allowed to do on the trails are ridiculous. My father and I were pulled over just because we were on the trail, no other reason. There is a need for some regulations and rules on the trails but I like how it was enforced before with club trail wardens (not with a god complex) and by your peers. If you are being and A** on the trails your buddies from the club would take it to hand.

The speed limit in Michigan is safe and resonable speed for conditions that leaves it open to the law enforcements dicretion. 55Mph on lakes not the trails and posted speed on the roads.

I rode in Wellston MI in February of this year. Beeing a new rider, I asked a C.O. about the speed limits on the trails. She said "There are no limits on the trails. The main thing you need to worry about is staying on your side of the trail. That means when you are going into a corner, know your sled and what it can do at what speeds." Later that same day I saw her handing out tickets for that very thing. She set up in a corner waiting for violators. Unless things have changed, I&#39;m under the impression that there is no limits on the trails in MI.

Originally posted by gravy davey@Aug 24 2004, 04:55 PM
The speed limit in Michigan is safe and resonable speed for conditions that leaves it open to the law enforcements dicretion. 55Mph on lakes not the trails and posted speed on the roads.
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I&#39;m no legal expert (despite all my experiences) but I think that snowmobiles are subject to the same basic speed laws that cars are subject to: If it&#39;s not posted, and not in city limits, speed limit is 55 mph. Not posted, in city limits is 25 mph. Thankfully I&#39;ve never heard of the speed limit being enforced on the trails. Drunk riding, on the other hand, does get enforced, I don&#39;t think you necessairly lose your sled but it counts as a &#39;normal&#39; drunk driving, i.e. mandatory license suspension, 6 points, no riding, no driving, etc...

The main place I see people getting tickets is in and around cities and populated areas. Slow down when in town.

I have had this discussion many times before,there is no set speed limit on the groomed trails in Michigan,safe and resonable speed for conditions.

Here is a link to Michigan DNR
http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-1...32293--,00.html (http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10365_14824-32293--,00.html)

Ive seen Fish and game police sleds set up with radar guns on the side of big trails. The sleds looked pretty nice too, from what I could see on the side they were 600cc tourings. I believe if you get caught running away you will get your real drivers liscence taken away. P.S. The limit in NH is 45mph on all trails, and on most lakes it is whatever your best judgement is. Those Fish and game officers are pretty tough too, I tried to cross a road once and one of them saw me and gave me a 100 dollar ticket! That was a load of B.S.!