kjpoultry@tcc.on.caDoes anybody have any rumours or visions of a thundercat replacement.
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The ZR 900 is it's replacement! They run real close to one another! With clutch work it'll be neck and neck I'd bet. The one i saw on a dealer floor was a ugly looking sled though compared to last years Cross Country Version. You'll probably see a big Suzuki 4 stroke in a sled next year or the year after.
Caleb

A zert 800 is not faster than the 900 in stock form! Stock to stock the 900 will win. more ower and alot less weight. It's a shame the way cat went with the t-cat.
Caleb

sled dogg,I have to disagree.In march I ran multiple runs stock vs. stock and the zrt won 5 out of 6 times.I was as surprised as every one else present.

I would have to agree with Sled Dogg, the 900 would take the 800. *You must have been hooking up better.

Exactly what would make the 900 faster? *There's not a huge difference in CC's.

Weight difference.

The 900 has more torque and weighs ALOT less. I also believe it has a few more ponies but I'm not sure. All the news sources have saids it's faster also. but that was the early release model. We'll have to wait and see what the full production version does but it should spank it also.
Caleb

Cat publishes 150 hp for both sleds, so I guess the reduced weight would give the 900 the advantage, especially out of the hole. *But my memories of my ZRT800's power still lead me to think that the ZRT might win if the distance was long enough...what do you think? *I know my ZR800 is "quicker" than my ZRT, but the ZRT seemed to have more at the top-end.

It's a given that the triple will beat the twin in a long race. *I don't see any further that 660 feet. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I don't want to start an argument here, but I think people will not change sleds just because of weight and power.

The triples and twins are 2 completely different sleds. Personally, I own 2 twins and 1 triple/triple. And the motor characteristics are completely different.

If someone likes the ZRT engine feel, they will be very disappointed with the zr twin. Even if hp is comparible.

I have heard to ends length about my buddies hopping to the Ski-doo twin band-wagon and being disappointed.

Triple/triples are in a class of trier own.
No comparison to a twin. They run completely different.

Just my opinion

RIGHT ON.

I love the smoothness, and sound, not to mention the power of my 2001 ZRT 800. To each his own I say, but the biggest thrill is just cruz'n the trails and seeing the country, what a Rush.
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ZRT you got it! *The guys I ride with ride so fast in the trails the scenery is a blur. *I love to just cruise and see the scenery.

Totally agree. *And cruising to the tune of a triple makes it all the more pleasurable. *I also have both and will personally choose my triple over my twins any day for that type of riding.

Sleddogg says the 900 has more torque. *It may have a bit more, but I guarantee the 800 has a much WIDER torque band which is a big advantage.

Jdsmi, since you have both, what would you rather ride for banging on the trails? *That's where I think the ZR is better.

I agree with you on that one Jim.

No question. *When riding aggressively, I'd take my ZR.

By the way,

Why did Arctic Cat get out of the triple/triple business anyway? I can't find any in their 2003 lineup.

It seems strange for a company to drop a lineup that seemed popular.

I mean - look at the "baby triple" FIII market (600 cc triple/triple) - Polaris droped out in 98, Ski-doo in 99, Yamaha in 99. But Arctic cat kept the line going

And now they don't even have a big cc triple/triple on the market?

Why is that, after keeping the line running for so long.

For some reason they think that the market for the triple is gone, never to return. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/withstupid.gif

Hey Madsleadhead, were you a member last winter? *In the archives you'll find a lengthly discussion about this one. *It would have been nice if they would have kept just one tripple/tripple in the lineup for those who want to buy one.

Thanks Jim, I will try to find it.

I don't usually hang out in the Arctic Cat area. Don't have one, never had one, none of my friends have one. So I'm not really up to speed on all the new changes.

The reason there is no trips in the line up is because mags. and companies tell us what we want, and what we want is big cc, big hp, light weight twins. *Didn't you know that is what you wanted??LOL http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif
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I've seen posts from people that claim to own both a 900 and a Tcat. *He said that the 900 wins out to 110 mph. *That sounds reasonable to me. *For now the 900 is the replacement of the triples. *That may change with the introduction of more 4 strokes or new and improved triples. *I can't remember seeing the curves for the ZRT 800 and Tcat, but the 900 torque curve looks pretty broad to me. *Better than the F7.

Also, someone posted early on in this thread that the new 900 was ugly and that the 02 CCE looked better. *Their #### near identical. *I think they change the shocks and the color of the springs and bogies from orange to red. *How can you like the 02 CCE and not the 03 ZR's http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

I think that the 900 at Lewiston powersports as ugly period. Plain gray all over it,nothing special. The CC Le from last year was a great looking machine with a diff suspension and colors. The aluminum r-boards looked better also. And the black 800 or the all green looked so sharp along with there graphics. sit them side by side and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Caleb

YOU CAN NOT REPLACE THE THUNDERCAT (PERIOD)

There is no way you are going to replace the power band of the triple, especially when you're doin' 70 and punch it. *If I tried that between my ZRT and ZR 600s, my ZRT would just laugh and take off like a rocket. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif

I know we have had this disscussion more than once around here debating the 900 versus the 800 and 1000 triple and it ultimately comes down to riders preference.
Personally I wouldn't ride a twin, but many people do so the debate will rage forever. However last spring a buddy of mine sold his 800 Zrt for the ZR 900 the dealer recieved. Me, the ZR and another T-Cat (shortie) raced. I beat the 900 buy about 3-4 lengths and the shortie completely dusted both of us. We raced at about 1100 feet and my T-Cat is set up for 3000-5000 ft so I was way off my power band and still beat him by a good deal.
My buddy now wishes he would have kept his 800 triple!!!
Even after reclutching and jetting little improvement was made.
Long live the big bore triple!!!!!!!!!

Hey sleddog, check the pictures on the AC site. *The 03 ZR are offerered in black or green. *The only grey on either one is the a-arms. *The running boards on both are polished aluminum. *You might be thinking of the ZL's they are grey.

The 900 I saw had grey a arms and spindles that look like %^$^$ and a plain windscreen not to cool green one!! And the running boards weren't polished like the CC from last year. What cat advertises and what hits the floor are too different things. Now remember I saw the spring version I believe so the production may vary.
Caleb

This will never end.....I guess the thing that gets me is that most of the triple bashers have NEVER owned one and think because they read a magazine they are automatic experts on the subject....funny to say the least....

The truth of the matter about the weight of the sled is personal preference. Same with torque feel, ect. I dont even buy magazines anymore, they have nothing to say except follow what everyone else THINKS, not knows....

The T-Cat and other triples are STILL the sleds to beat...some are close, some arent. Hasn't anyone noticed that they constantly compare these twins to triple sleds of the past? I wonder why?

Lastly, since these old technology triples are SO HEAVY, they could never keep up with the new twins in the trails of for alot of miles on long trips....whatever, I have YET to find a group of sledders with twins or a twin sled that I cannot stay up with for ANY period of time in ANY trail conditions......and I dont even work out like so many of you claim....nor am I any more tired at the end of the day than my twin riding buddies.

I'll run my old technology 98 zrt in to the ground and in the meantime I'll still be running right with all these so called best trail sled twins....I dont need a magazine to prove that. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif

Well said hpzrt600. *Every mag I read tells me that I should hate my sled. *It's too heavy, rough riding, no torque, ...

Bull.

But they're the "experts". Ya, right.

I agree, well said. *I couldn't wait to get rid of my twin so I could get my triple.

And another thing. *You notice after they started printing that crap the value of your sled hit the toilet? *They cost me money!

I would have a hard time putting a value on my sled...I would have a real hard time getting rid of it, because I like it so much.

I'm now wondering what I will buy next year because I really wanted another new sled, I might have to buy a RX1 or maybe a Mach-Z, if it is still around.

One thing I also forgot to post is that the manufacturers want us to buy twins because they make a bigger profit margin. Has anyone else noticed that the twins are around the same price as the twins??? Why, especially when they are supposed to be cheaper to make??? * *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif

Last season I took a lot of triple bashing from my buddies with there 800mxz's and 600mxz's.

I noticed that the twin guys never wanted to drive our sleds, *all they did was call them tanks and unreliable, and only good for lakes and the newest one is calling them a DINOSOUR. *

Anyway last ride of the season I was driving and I had a problem with my helmet so i stoped to fix it. *My buds just kept driving away on this lake we were on. *

So they finally stoped and waited. *I got the helmet back on and pinned the Mach from were i was and did a full speed drive by with the needle on the speedo reading passed 200km. *After they saw that they all wanted to drive and they couldnt belive how smooth the engine was and how low the rpms were when crusing compaired to a twin. *

At the end of the day they all desided that if Skidoo put a triple in a ZX chassie they would buy it over a twin.

Now its looking like skidoo is gonna put the MachZ in the ZX chassie maybe mid season or for next year. *

Triples will live forever and they will rule for ever.

I've been driving twins all my life, besides my fathers XLT.
All i hear is that "triples are too #### heavy, you cant keep a triple up with a twin on the trail..." i think that is bullshit, think i can drive my zrt800 as hard as i drive a twin!

The triples are good, they may weigh a bit more than a twin, but they have wider curves... http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

Where did you hear that they are going to finally build one Machzzzz1?
Caleb

http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/withstupid.gif How about it Machzzz1, is that from a good source or are you speculating?http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif?http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif??

It's all a matter of preference. *I'm still not convinced which one I wan't to ride all the time, but I'll have to decide soon to snatch up a leftover triple CAT. *But at least I can say that I have owned both now, and each one has its benefits. *If I can get the wife to buy off on it, I will probably buy a leftover ZRT800 this year and KEEP my ZR800 too. *HPZRT600, I haven't really heard anyone "bashing" either model here, just advocates of each type of sled. *It's allright to defend what you love, but we shouldn't knock the other sled if we've never owned one.

Triples are the best thing since sliced bread in my humble opinion.

Cats decision to scrap the triples may have a lot to do with the fact that the market for triples is smaller than say 500 and 600 twins. They where spending lots of money bringing in the new FireCats and didn't want to spend any money fixing the triples which they screwed up in 99 (the 800 and 1000 triples had some performance problems the 98's would kick their butts).

Rather than fix the triples they chose to scrap them so as to boost their sales of twin which is what everyone wants right?

I know of about a dozen lost sales of new T-Cats in this small town alone. About 4 of them have bought RX-1's the rest are waiting to see how it turns out before they jump ship.

Once you've had a triple its hard to go back to a twin. Kinda feels like its missing a cylinder. LOL

Yeah, it's hard to believe CAT did away with ALL of their tripples.

This issue has been on going since last season.
I can't understand why people keep beating the "Triples were to heavy" subject to death. They only weighed about 50-60lbs more.

I would like someone to explain how the triples are so heavy and the new so called high tech thumpers are not.
Why are there no coments about the abilities of the new yamaha or even the 4-stroke Cats.
I would have to beleive that the "Dinasour" triples would out handle and blow by any thumper out there.!! The zr's are nice trail machines but for all around snomobiling pleasure a triple is the only way to go!!

I love my triple and will ride it and maintain it untill I can no longer get parts. *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

Hmmmmmmmmmm *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Great pic Maluchm....that ought to stop a lot of the nay-sayers! *How were you able to do that...guess you have your own shop, eh?

What were the weights of those motors?

And there size !
Caleb

Very interesting picture. *I'm going to have to weigh my stock pipes. *According to that picture they should weigh about 40-60 pounds each. *Where else is the weight difference?

No I did not perform the test. I ran across that pic and
have seen others. Pictures don't lie right? I was a little
suprised to when I saw it. I'll see if I can dig up more
information on it.

No prob man. It's cool as heck learning how to use these things more. It really helps ya post also.
Caleb

Big diff would be in the triple pipes I would guess then. Some also in the frame to hold the motor. One extra carb as well.

I love the pic. Says it all.

OK believe it or not, my post with the link got deleted!
Imagine that. Without even some sort of notification.
WELL IF ANYBODY WANTS THE LINK TO THE OTHER SITE WHERE THIS
INFO CAME FROM PM OR E-MAIL ME. A little advice, don't say
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Come on guys I'm just trying to help out others not take
away from you're booming forums.

There will never be a replacement for the triples displacement. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif

Hum.. can anyone Tell me what brand that triple is? By the Purple Heads alone that is pretty eassy the twin is a Polaris. But I gonna guess thats a yamaha triple, or a Suzuki with Red heads. *BUt isn't Yamaha and Suzuki knows for making a lite wieght engine? Or is that just something I made up on my own? *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif *I would be real convinced if they weighed a Rotax Twin and Tripple from the same year, and size. 800 to 800 say. But i belive the wieght is not that much more! even if it was 20 pounds. That weight so changes from rider to rider. Unless you where riding Snow Cross where that helped you clear a triple eassier. 20 pounds can also make a differnce from the Twin having a full tank of gas, for a triple half way down. I guess I am still confussed as to why every one puts such a big Stress on weight... *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif *If I make sure to crap before I ride, I will be 5 pounds lighter than my buddies and have an advantage!!!

How much of a dent in sales do you think the mfr's would feel if tripple lovers did not give in and buy a new twin? *What if we only bought left-over tripples or even just maintained our current sleds 'til the tripple came back? *Just a thought!

BTW, that tripple in the pic is a Yammi.

I believe it's a Yammi 700 out of a thier mountain sled.
Not sure what cc the polaris is. Either way it's still a
very interesting picture to say the least.

With proper engineering anything can be done.