OK guys, I copied these dry weights down right from the factory manual at my dealer:

RX-1: 557.9
RX-1 ER: 564.5
RX-1 Mountain: 587.8

300 Mile break in. *
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10-4 now we know.

I still dont buy it. *Im gonna wait till i get one on a scale.

How come Hackers race RX1 is weighing in at 583lb. *The other racer *i think its ulmer racing claiming 602lb and now the yamaha shop manual is claiming 557.9. *I mean i know yamaha BS's in there commercials but i never would have thought in there manuals.

I mean come on Mighty RX-1, every 10 min you have a new weight for this sled from a confirmed source. *

Mark my words, The hand scale doesnt lie. *610LB http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif * Ill eat my words if its otherwise.

if its in the manual then it must be true http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

A couple of there SUMO wreslers probably stood on the scale before they put the sled on and broke it.

machzzzz1, Hackers sled had oil and coolant and some gas. *Yamaha's weight is dry. *Just like all of the other weights listed by the manufactutrers. *Swing by a Yamaha dealer and see it for yourself.

Now what do you have to say, your freaking MachZ is heavier than the RX-1http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

I still dont belive the manual. *Yamaha is BSing. *There probably franticly trying to reduce weight by using highly developed skidoo parts. *HAHAHA. *I dont care if it is 610 lb weight is not a issue for me when buying a sled. *im just saying i had the chance to lift it and it was like grabbing your garage handle and lifting your house.

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And common oils is maybe 7lb at max.

Machzzz1,
* *It's good to have you back as you are a riot!!! That like lifting a house was to dam funny!!! http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
Caleb

Pantera, don't believe all you read.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Mark my words, The hand scale doesnt lie. *610LB * *Ill eat my words if its otherwise.[/b][/quote]

what are you doing with a scale that goes up to 600 lbs?
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Just kidding..... http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

arcticzrt600....lol i was being sarcastic http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sarcasm.gif

Can&#39;t beat the look of those twin hooters though.

I like hooters http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif

uh oh here we go again

I think alot of people are really brand loyal and can&#39;t admit that Yamaha has come out with something that there brand doesn&#39;t offer. Yamaha hasen&#39;t come out with something good in along time and now that they have people don&#39;t want to accept it or believe it so they trash it and say Yamaha is lying about the weight and blah blah blah when really they don&#39;t have anything to lie about because their snowmobile industry is just a small part of the Yamaha Corporation.

thats my opinion,

Lets all remember also that ALL of the manufacturers have "lied" about the dry weights of their sleds, only in the past few years have they become more honest about their sled weights, so we wont know what to expect until someone we trust puts them on a scale.

you&#39;re correct, all of the manufacturers do lie. *Yamaha didn&#39;t this time, they simply said it would be within 5% of the SRX and it is.

Until Supertrax started weighing sleds with a full tank of gas, weights were taken with a grain of salt.

One magazine justified weighing sleds with 3 gallons of gas as evening things up because of the different sized fuel tanks http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sleepy.gif

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ryan001 @ Aug. 09, 2002, 09:09am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think alot of people are really brand loyal and can&#39;t admit that Yamaha has come out with something that there brand doesn&#39;t offer. Yamaha hasen&#39;t come out with something good in along time and now that they have people don&#39;t want to accept it or believe it so they trash it and say Yamaha is lying about the weight and blah blah blah when really they don&#39;t have anything to lie about because their snowmobile industry is just a small part of the Yamaha Corporation.

thats my opinion,[/b][/quote]
A lot of yamaha people are brand loyal too and think this sled is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Many yamaha riding type folk ignore the fact that yamahas are very expesive to fix and generally don&#39;t complete until you start changing the pipes, jetting, clutching, etc....

Very well put and you listed the exact reasons I bought one.

Thank you for bringing the voice of reason to this topic. Everyone knows the true weight of an SRX is heavier than advertised by at least 20 lbs. At those weights it doesn&#39;t matter if it&#39;s a Mach, XCR, ZRT, RX1, they&#39;re all heavy!

My post disappeared for some reason! Maybe it was my user name. I&#39;ll try this one. Here is the post again.


Mighty you are right Yami did say it was within 5% of the SRX. So the real weight of the SRX is 555 pds. 5% of that is 27.75. Add them together and you have 582.75pds.

Yami lies the most about their weights so if you use their numbers it comes out wrong.

Now 605 to 608 pds is the weight recorded by people so far with oil and freeze.

3 quarts of oil weighs what 5 pds. Gallon of freeze weighs 7.8 pds. If it even had a gallon of fuel thats what anouther 6.5 pds. Where down to 588.7 so far. Want to add anouther half gallon of freeze now we have 584.8 pds.

The only reason I bring this up is because everyone knows the SRX doesn&#39;t weigh 525 pds.

The RX-1 weighs about the same as a T-Cat and I think thats where the problem lies. Yami riders have hated the T for so long and have called it a heavy piece of C--P for so long that now they have a sled that weighs the same it grates them to admit the RX-1 is as heavy as a T-Cat.

The RX-1 is something that was built to show us that a performance 4 stroke is possible. Nice job Yami!

Yami guys like to run down Cats and Polaris&#39;s 4 strokes as under powered C--P. So are 440 fans whats the point?

Guys that like to putt out on the lake to do a little fishin don&#39;t always want 100 plus hp. The rental guys don&#39;t want to rent out RX-1&#39;s.

Look at 2 strokes we have everything from 30 hp up to 172 hp. So it only stands to reason that 4 strokes will be the same.

Wait until a 100 to 120 hp 600cc or so 4 stroke sled that weighs about 450pds is built. Thats the one that will really put the squeeze on the 2 strokes.

So to sum this up the RX-1 has a lot going for it. I put on 5,000 miles a winter on my sled and trade every two years. I get a poor trade in value because even though its only two years old and still looks like new it has high miles and as far as two strokes go is thought to be worn out.

The RX-1 on the other hand has its first service at 27,000 miles to adjust the valves. Life of the rings and pistons is estimated at 40,000 to 50,000 miles. (Bike is estimated at 80,000 to 100,000 miles.

Trade this puppy in with 10,000 miles on it and it still has 17,000 miles to go till its first service. I predict a way better trade in value no?

Gas mileage is better by about 20 to 25% whats not to like about that.

And how about no more of that bloody 2 stroke oil to have to buy or breath. How about going on a 1,000 mile trip and not having to pack oil. This I like lots!

It has enough going for it that we don&#39;t need to lie to ourselves about the weight. I don&#39;t think its a ditch basher more of a highspeed carver. A lake racer you can run well with on the trails even if they are *a little rough. Also a d--n fine solo touring sled (Please build a two up version Yami)

I wish people would stop trying to make it out as some kind of High speed mogul masher. It isn&#39;t one of those if thats what you wanted when you ordered your RX-1 you are going to be disappointed. You should have ordered a Rev or FireCat maybe.

Its a wake up call for two strokes, evolve or die its that simple. There is a new kid on the block. So he&#39;s a little fat, he&#39;s fast, doesn&#39;t stink or make you choke when he goes by, plus he&#39;s cheaper to go cruisin with that you last buddy.

Heres to 4 strokes, may they continue to be built and lots of em.

Very well put!!
Caleb

Yamaha basicly wrapped up a presant and handed it to the Tree huggers. *

With this new 4 stroke the tree huggers will take this as a victory and feel like they gained some ground. *We should just stop right were we are and Pis$ on them. *

Putting a 4stroke in a sled was a bad idea from day one. *Theres no need for them, Two stroke technology had many breakthroughs last season and are offering better fuel eco and emmitions then the 4 stroke anyway. *not to mention the HP to weight Ratio that that a 2 stroke half the size of this yamaha 4 stroke weights.

I really dont care how fast or how heavy the RX-1 is, Let it go 300mph it wouldnt bother me in the least, *What bothers me is the idea. *

If the RX-1 had a triple 2 stroke 1000 making 180hp that would be a sled. * As for your 27000 service interval, *well yamaha claimed a 10000km service interval for there 660 grissly only to find people are needing valve jobs every 1500 and the bikes engine isnt even going 10000 with out burning oil. *

I dont mind reving the snot out of a 2stroke, at least i know that if i burn up a piston i can fix it in 3 hours depending if i have the parts, *On this yamaha 4 stroke if you loose a ring or piston your out big bucks, plus all parts will probably have to come over seas taking a month or two.

I hope you guys that bought it are happy with it and its everything you expected, *I dont like people spending money and getting ripped off. *But dont try to tell me that I hate to admit yamaha has built a sled that my brand doesnt offer becaue even if doo did build a high performance 4 stroke, I would not be in the market for it and would hope that they cancel the lineup.

2 STROKE FOR EVER.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Machzzzz1 @ Aug. 16, 2002, 09:56am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">my brand doesnt offer becaue even if doo did build a high performance 4 stroke, I would not be in the market for it[/b][/quote]
Same here. I&#39;m not interested even if it was painted yellow. *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Who wants to keep a sled for 30,000 miles? If the engine is good for that many miles, what is the rest of the sled like? Don&#39;t rivets where out, suspension shafts etc?

I can&#39;t even start to list the 4-stroke bikes I have owned over the years but I can tell you that I never, ever had a major meachanical break down with any of them. *I have logged so many more miles on street bike compared to sleds too. The worst I ever had was a needle came loose in one of the carbs on my 88 V-max causing that cylinder to flood out. *As far as a victory for the tree huggers?http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif No way, this is a sled that people want. *I can&#39;t tell you how long I have wanted an in-line 4 in a sled. *When I first read about the RX-1 last year I almost ####!

I myself will wait and until the supertraxx weigh in as rev stated. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif What difference will 15-30lbs really make when the
majority of guys sledding are over 200lbs anyways http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Sort
of ironic isn&#39;t it??

Definitely not just a victory for the tree huggers. *But hey, if it keeps them happy, they might lay off a bit.

I agree with Mighty RX-1, if it truly is, what they say it is, there will be a big market for the touring folks. *What more could you want if your strictly a performance touring rider. *Good gas mileage, low maintenance, no 2 stroke oil to worry about finding, yet still with good performance.

Sure its not for everyone, but it will definitely fit the bill for a large portion of the market.

FishHog

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/product....mid=177 (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/unitspecs.asp?lid=6&lc=sno&cid=26&mid=177)

To machzzzzz1 thats kinda my point. Orbital injection, Direct injection can save the two stroke but where are they? Not on a sled yet. They may be soon the writings on the wall evolve or die.

You can&#39;t compare a grizzly to a RX-1. But you can compare it to a R1 and the R1 has been a very reliable motor at 12,500 rpm the RX-1 version is reving at 10,500.

You are right the the 4 stroke has more moving parts and is harder to rebuild. Ring or piston would be the least of my worries about what could go wrong with it and while changing a piston is harder to do the odds of having to do it are way less than a two stroke they run way cooler. *I&#39;d be more worried about grenading a bottom end, or dropping a valve and taking out the top end.

This winter will tell if its reliable or not. I think it will be and I&#39;m not a Yami fan.

By the way I didn&#39;t try to tell you that Yami has built a sled your brand doesn&#39;t offer and you are more than entitled to your preference for a 2 stroke. I fact I&#39;ll defend it. ( I do like the V-Twin Doo is building and think it will make a very nice touring sled as well)

And to revrnd 30,000 trail miles on a sled are not hard on it. How hard is it to change a dozen bearings every 10 to 20,000 miles. If the motor is in good shape the rest is easy to upkeep.

Why would the rivets wear out? Abuse maybe? Touring riders don&#39;t abuse their sleds the same way ditch bashers do. In 30,000 miles the rivets will be just fine. There is a guy who puts on 10,000 miles a year thats only a 3 year old sled to him. One thing about people wearing out the sled first. There will be lots of motors around for parts for those who keep the bodys in good shape.

I can see the ad.

"RX-1 for sale frame is broke front end is trash as well as the rear skid, jumped it one to many times. Motor has only 5,000 miles on it".

The guy who just grenaded his motor because of to much of the laughing gas will jump at it. Pun intended.

Different strokes for different folks as the saying goes. Not everyone welcomes the 4 stroke. But I&#39;m one who&#39;s not afraid of the competition. I welcome it!

Very well put.

two-up, It&#39;s refreshing to read common sense.............

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FishHog @ Aug. 16, 2002, 12:29pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Definitely not just a victory for the tree huggers. *But hey, if it keeps them happy, they might lay off a bit.

I agree with Mighty RX-1, if it truly is, what they say it is, there will be a big market for the touring folks. *What more could you want if your strictly a performance touring rider. *Good gas mileage, low maintenance, no 2 stroke oil to worry about finding, yet still with good performance.

Sure its not for everyone, but it will definitely fit the bill for a large portion of the market.

FishHog[/b][/quote]
That is exactly to the letter what I want. *The added performance keeps the sled from becoming quickly obsolete as I would expect with the lower power polaris and AC sleds. *Their specs are perfect for Yellowstone, where the highest posted limit is 45. *I would figure that these machines would feel alot like my JD. *I found the top end of that sled the first time I sat on it, which was the first time that I&#39;d ever ridden a snowomobile. *A low power sled would be fine for me now, as my level of experience compared with others on this board is extremely limited. *Once I get more comfortable again, then I would want the power to be there in reserve.

If this was a victory for the tree huggers Yamaha would be selling snoe shoes and canoes, if the 4 stroke sleds turn out to be as good as 4 stroke outboards I think everyone will take a second look and be happy with the new technology.

Yes but 558 lbs dry for the RX-1 (if it is true) is still not within 5% of the 2002 SRX which is listed in Yamaha&#39;s literature at 522 pound dry. The point of what I am saying is that the manufacturers are not telling the truth, in this case Yamaha.

We might see the same type of thing for the REV and The Firecat, time will tell.

Wasn&#39;t it 5%, plus the weight of electric start on the SrX? http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sleepy.gif

thats right sharky,it is w/ electric start. and who really cares what it weights, people who bought the rx1(like my father inlaw) dont *care. *Just as long as its fast and reliable. *If you want a light weight machine buy a rev or firecat, but I know if I was going over a 100mph I would rather be on a heavier sled. *In Cochrane we have the trails to ride these sleds at these speeds and thats why there is such a market for triple triples and rx1.

Yamaha has been proven to be the worst for fudging the weights on their sleds. The other three have been pretty close. They will be weighed and the truth on them all will come out. I only wish Yami had been more honest on the RX-1 as I feel the weight debate has done nothing to help sell it.

I hope people haven&#39;t bought it for the wrong reasons. Those who have rode and loved the big triples, will love it I think. Its handling should be better than that of the big triples. What makes me think that is it carries its weight more in the middle of the sled rather than on the nose.

One thing for sure it will not handle like a big triple or like a light weight twin. Better balanced like a twin still heavy like a triple. Somewhere in the middle is my guess. I can hardly wait to take a spin on one. Wheres the snow?

All this talk makes me realize I need to go on a diet. *Plus, if I do that, my T-Cat will weigh less. * http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sleepy.gif