Maybe if all of us on this site choose a date and sent skidoo a quick email (Via contact us) on there site, news of this would reach someone at bombardier who could or maybe already is designing such a sled.

I think if bombardier got 25-50 emails in one day all asking for the same thing it would leave a dent. *

SO WHOS WITH ME. *This would definitly be the DO OR DIE for the skidoo triple market. *Lets do all we can. *

Sometime i belive that skidoo themself buy into that magazine crap and play into there hands with the sleds the mags want built. *So lets tell them what a fair majority of the market wants.

Help from other brand owners would be appreciated.

I am with you 110%...I would buy one in a heart beat!!!

I'm in definitely
Actually I'm waiting to see what they do with the triples
before I even purchase a new sled from Ski Doo. Just look at
how many people and performance shops are converting thier
S and ZX chassis to accept the triple mill. Obviously there
is a market for it and I think many would come over from
AC or even Polaris and Yamaha. Great marketing ploy to
convert faithful triple riders of the competition to buy a
Ski Doo and see what it's all about. Think about it, the REV
and then this sled would make one #### of a performance
line up that would please most everybody.

I feel that the mach will soon be in a zx anyhow, they eventually switched to a S2000, now a CK3 so i hope next year it will be the zx, but they better not drop it back to a twin like they did with the formula when they switched to a ZX, but it would defenitaly be my next sled if they kept the mach a tripple in the ZX platform. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

I'am with ya little buddy! There is no reason Doo cant put the triple into a lighter chassi http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif
So a triple weigh's 5-10# more, the advantages out weigh it over a twin, big time http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
I loved my 700 triple. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif
But now I have a 800 triple in my version of a reneagade http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif
Cant imagine lowering myself to a twin, if Doo cant build a triple again I guess I will have to rebuild the 800 someday.
I'am ready to bitch with Skidoo, but as some of you know, I'am good at that http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Ok then.

a modified version of mikadoos post is all we will need.

This support is great. *So lets wait a few days and sometime mid next week, then we will blast them with numbers a short but meaningfull email. *And if they write back which they probably will we got to post it so we (The expert panal can look it over and comment.)

So ill provide the time and date later on. *Lets see how many people we can get together...


Will sent the email using this link.

Skidoos Contact us section (http://www.skidoo.com/SkiDoo2003/web/jsp/920_contactForm.jsp?langCode=CAEN)

Looking good http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Just sent my e-mail.....

Lets type up a form letter that we all can use to send to Bombardier, I will work on one and post it, then you guys can make suggestions to change it or change it as you see fit.

Bombardier Recreational
Products
Administrative Center
1061, Parent Street
Saint-Bruno, Québec
Canada J3V 6P1
Telephone: (450) 461-7700
Fax: (450) 461-7743

To whom it may concern

This letter is to voice support for an idea. This idea is in support for a product your company currently produces, but I and others like me believe that it is worth continuing production on and worthy of an upgrade to a newer foundation. This product is the MachZ snowmobile.

The MachZ has been in the same chassis since 1998 and has served us well, but as time has passed it shortcomings have become more noticeable. I understand sales are probably lower than ever before, but I believe there can be a revival. When the twin sleds regained popularity your company and your competitors slowed down on investing and innovation on these triple powered sleds, I believe this to be a fundamental mistake. An example of this mistake would be Yamaha's line of sleds. In 2002 the SxViper was a huge success by offering the good performance and economy of a triple engine combined with good handling and light weight.

I for one believe that Ski-Doo could do one better, by offering the Triple engine in a lightweight chassis like the ZX or REV getting the weight of this prospective machine within 25 lbs or so of its twin competition and you will have a winner. If you offered such a sled in the near future I also believe you would out snow-check all of the other brands like the RX-1 did this year and the Viper did last year, the first being a direct replacement for a Triple engined sled and the latter being a triple engined sled. Yes the market does exist for triples, some of the reasons are....

1) Higher power per cc
2) Better economy per cc
3) Smooth and broad torque curve (easy for you to calibrate)

I appreciate the time you have taken to read this letter and I hope you will consider it carefully, I believe if you look you will see the market for this sled all around you in the customers for the current MachZ, XCR, RX-1, ZR900 and many others where the customer took handling and light weight over a heavy machine with big power. If a compromise was available between all of these previously mentioned attributes, you would line up the buyers like Yamaha has done the past couple years.

Thank you.



What do ya think?

Thats great man http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

As the black sargent in the movie Forrest Gump said: Private Slarson, your a G-D genius!!!!!!!

Looks great!! Count me in also. I have been saying all through college that when i get out of college the first thing that i do is buy a new Mach Z. I dont want to see my dream slip away http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

I fired off my email.
caleb

Just sent mine.Come on everyone and show some support,it only takes a minute to send the comments to head office!

That is a fantastic letter. I would just add that they need to bump the 800 to a 1050 (three 700 cylinders from the current 700 twin). Or even a 1200 (three 800 twin cylinders) and of course it must have SDI. That's it for me. Of course, a sled like this would start an all out horspeower war between all of the manufacturers....................... Hey, I can dream can't I?

I`am with you guy`s who know`s were they get the idea that everybody want`s a twin. I ride with 4machz 3mach1 2gade800 and2mxzx800 and you can bet the house if the tripple was a choice in a zx they would have bought them.three in a row makes em go... count me in also.

Oh wow you guys started. *No prob.

Excellent letter. *Im gonna send mine in a minute. *

Only thing is that there is only one or two people the will be reciving these letters Claire and Carlos Customer Realations.

I think we should have a few versions of the letter above. *Just so it doesnt look like the same guy is posting.

Let get this done. *

THIS IS THE RETURN OF THE 809.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Fast Mach Z @ Aug. 28, 2002, 9:27pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">That is a fantastic letter. I would just add that they need to bump the 800 to a 1050 (three 700 cylinders from the current 700 twin). Or even a 1200 (three 800 twin cylinders) and of course it must have SDI. That&#39;s it for me. Of course, a sled like this would start an all out horspeower war between all of the manufacturers....................... Hey, I can dream can&#39;t I?[/b][/quote]
Maybe we should just stick to what they already produce or
have produced. I&#39;d like to see the 809 and the 700 (maybe
600) in the ZX chassis. Asking for a whole new motor puts
alot more on there plate and more reason to reject this
idea. Beside both the 700 and 809 can be made to make to
make some nice power! *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif

Although I&#39;d love to see your dream come true, I think that
maybe we should start with just just a revamp of the triple chassis and keep the current motors. For now! hehehe

I wonder how many ZRT and TCat riders would buy this? And if
Polaris does drop the XCR then Ski Doo could easily pull
them over to the yellow side also. Please don&#39;t let the
3x3&#39;s go silently into the night! There&#39;s still a big market
there and a lot of money to be made.

How would this effect the mountain riders as well? Lighter
weight yet gobs of power on demand. and easily modifiable
to rip your arms off if need be.

They say it takes more money to produce a triple yet the REV
isn&#39;t exactly cheap and a lot of the tooling is there
already to make this sled. I say...try it for a short time
and see how much response you&#39;ll get.

I just got a return email from bombardier. *Seems theres a new person working there (Peggy). *Here it is.

--------

Thank you for contacting Bombardier Recreational Products. We sincerely appreciate your comments and we would like to assure you that we take input from our customers with the utmost consideration. Changes to the Bombardier line of products are made yearly and oftentimes these changes come directly from the feedback that we get from our loyal customers. *Please rest assured that *we have passed your suggestion along to our product development department for future consideration.

Please do not hesitate to contact us for more information. It is always a pleasure to hear from our customers.

Sincerely,
Peggy
Representative/Représentante
Customer Assistance Center/Assistance à la clientèle

Tel: 715-848-4957 (USA)
Tel:819-566-3366 (CDN)
Fax: 819-566-3062
Bombardier.Service@recreation.bombardier.com


So lets keep sending them. *Let the MachZ live on.

ZX chasis+809 with single pipe=me writing cheque for new sled
http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

Hey! I&#39;am not that good on this computer! How would I send that letter without re-writing the whole thing? http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/withstupid.gif

sent.I have a standing order at my dealer if they tell him they are building them he will be ordering one for me http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

Mikadoo:

Here is the letter that Slarson wrote.

To whom it may concern

This letter is to voice support for an idea. This idea is in support for a product your company currently produces, but I and others like me believe that it is worth continuing production on and worthy of an upgrade to a newer foundation. This product is the MachZ snowmobile.

The MachZ has been in the same chassis since 1998 and has served us well, but as time has passed it shortcomings have become more noticeable. I understand sales are probably lower than ever before, but I believe there can be a revival. When the twin sleds regained popularity your company and your competitors slowed down on investing and innovation on these triple powered sleds, I believe this to be a fundamental mistake. An example of this mistake would be Yamaha&#39;s line of sleds. In 2002 the SxViper was a huge success by offering the good performance and economy of a triple engine combined with good handling and light weight.

I for one believe that Ski-Doo could do one better, by offering the Triple engine in a lightweight chassis like the ZX or REV getting the weight of this prospective machine within 25 lbs or so of its twin competition and you will have a winner. If you offered such a sled in the near future I also believe you would out snow-check all of the other brands like the RX-1 did this year and the Viper did last year, the first being a direct replacement for a Triple engined sled and the latter being a triple engined sled. Yes the market does exist for triples, some of the reasons are....

1) Higher power per cc
2) Better economy per cc
3) Smooth and broad torque curve (easy for you to calibrate)

I appreciate the time you have taken to read this letter and I hope you will consider it carefully, I believe if you look you will see the market for this sled all around you in the customers for the current MachZ, XCR, RX-1, ZR900 and many others where the customer took handling and light weight over a heavy machine with big power. If a compromise was available between all of these previously mentioned attributes, you would line up the buyers like Yamaha has done the past couple years.

Thank you.


Highlight the letter with your mouse, *then push control C to copy.Then go to the Skidoo email page (http://www.skidoo.com/SkiDoo2003/web/jsp/920_contactForm.jsp?langCode=CAEN) Then put the mouse in the box were your suppost to type the letter and click. *Then press Control V and fill out your name and press send.

Just sent mine. Great idea and great letter writing.

Of course its a great idea. *Have you ever heard a bad idea come from a sledder. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

This is what i think will happen.

5-10 letters send - we will be disregarded as the same person using diffrent names and addresses.

10-20 - Now we got there attention but there still gonna trust the advisory of there magazine loving designers and test riders.

20-40 - If they were thinking of making it, *Now they will make it, and if they were thinking of canning the Mach Z well they might have to re-open the file and have a meeting on the whole topic and probably build us our sled.

40-100 - There current designers and market annalist will get fired, Arctic cat might even jump back on the band waggon. *And it will be more then just a 809 in a ZX, *I will be one bad mother. *

100-1000 - We will get a call asking us to run the company. *I will answer yes.

1000-100000 - They will even make a triple powered kids sled.

So lets keep letting them have it. Tell your friends....

I would personally like to see them get bombarded with
emails from as many different people as possible. Lets let
them know where we stand and what we would like them to see.
After all, what thier buyers and loyal customers want is
what they should feel compelled to produce right?

Oh yeah, *did anyone else get a return letter from bombardier. *

I wonder if there all the same or if each was typed individually. *

Im gonna go to all the email websites like Canoe, hotmail, excite etc and set up accounts so I can email them as many times as i can. *Diffent letters each time. *

I sent slarsons, then i sent one i wrote (which was pretty pathetic (picture someone on there hands and knees pleading) That was the sound of my letter.

Sent mine, *I would really like that tripple powered mini machZ *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

Maluchm I didnt mean for us to re send the letter 50 times. *Maybe 2 or 3 times max. *But I want as many diffrent posters as possible.

What the h*ll is control c&v?? Never mind I will do my own letter....

Control or CTRL is a key on the keyboard. *If you look over you will also find c and v being letters. *

By pressing and holding CTRL and at the same time pressing c you copy all highlighted stuff. *Buy doing the same thing but pressing V you paste all the stuff.

Hope this clerifies. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif

iT&#39;S ALOT EASER TO RIGHT CLICK AND THEN CLICK COPPY AND THEN THE SAME AGAIN EXCEPT TO PASTE.
CALEB

Just sent mine maybe this will start them thinking http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Just got a reply from ski-doo on a letter that I sent to them on my own......Though I was a little abrupt, I think I got my point across

De : * *info@ski-doo.com[SMTP:info@ski-doo.com]
Date : *Wednesday, August 28, 2002 1:54 PM
A : * * info@ski-doo.com
Objet : Sujet

Ski Doo 2003 * *
* * * *
Name / Nom : * *Brian Morgan * *
Email / Courriel : * * *brian.morgan@heritageindustrial.com * *
Phone / Téléphone : * * * * * *
Comments / Commentaires : * * * I have owned many ski-doo&#39;s over the past 20 years. I now have a 02 800 MXZ-ZX chassis sled. I love the sled itself but I could care less for the 800 twin motor. It is sad when you get beat in a drag race with a 98 670 mxz that IS stock. The 800 lacks top end pull period. I know you will say if i want a top end sled to buy a Mach....But, 98% of the people that ride want the best of both worlds. They trail ride and get together with our buddys and race If ski-doo doesnt put a tripple in the ZX chassis soon (and we both know that the weight difference between the 800 tw in and the 809 tripple is marginal)I think that I will either convert mine which would cost too much money or buy a sled from a company that listens to the consumer. The RX-1 or the SXViper would more that likely be they way that I go. You need to stop and listen to whats being asked...please, or if you are not carefully you will be losing a lot of customers. * * * *

* * * *



Mr. Morgan,

Thank you for contacting Bombardier Recreational Products.

We appreciate your taking the time to express your comments on the engine in the ZX chassis. I am forwarding your suggestion to our Ski-Doo® engineering department for their consideration.

Feedback from our customers is valuable to us here at Bombardier. *Be assured that we take all customer comments into consideration.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to write to us.

Sincerely,



Claire

Representative / Représentante
Customer Assistance Center / Centre d&#39;assistance à la clientèle
E-mail / Courriel: *info@ski-doo.com; *info @sea-doo.com
Tel: U.S.: (715) 848-4957; *Can: (819) 566-3366

HEHEHE. *I bet skidoo called rotax in austria and placed an order for 50000 809s to be made.

Here is my letter back from them today:

Mr. Lamley,

Thank you for contacting Bombardier Recreational Products regarding your suggestion on having a new 809 powered ZX with a MXZX440 chassis. *Your comments are always greatly appreciated. Many times, it is because of loyal customers such as yourself, that take the time to inform us, that we can constantly improve aspects of our product line which help to fulfill our customer&#39;s needs. Rest assured that your comments have been transferred to the department concerned. *Please note however, that we cannot guarantee any further response, pending their evaluation of your ideas.

Trusting this information is to your satisfaction. Please do not hesitate to contact us for more information. It will be our pleasure to look into any future requests.

Sincerely,
Sandra
Representative/Représentante
Customer Assistance Center/Assistance à la clientèle

Tel: 715-848-4957 (USA)
Tel:819-566-3366 (CDN)
Fax: 819-566-3062
Bombardier.Service@recreation.bombardier.com

I got my letter back today, it was from Peggy. I would show it to you but I dont know how and your suggestions how to, do nothing. But it was a very positive letter, one more for the 809!

That Peggy is one busy gal. I got mine back today, as well.

This was my reply someone must be reading them that is a plus. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Mr. Evans,

Thank you for contacting Bombardier Recreational Products for your comments on changing the Mach Z to the ZX chassis. We appreciate your comments and we would like to assure you that we take input from our customers with the utmost consideration. Changes to the Bombardier line of products are made yearly and oftentimes these changes come directly from the feedback that we get from our loyal customers. *Please be assured that we have passed your suggestion along to our new product development department for future consideration

Please do not hesitate to contact us for more information. It will be our pleasure to look into any future requests.

Sincerely,
Peggy
Representative/Représentante
Customer Assistance Center/Assistance à la clientèle

Tel: 715-848-4957 (USA)
Tel:819-566-3366 (CDN)
Fax: 819-566-3062
Bombardier.Service@recreation.bombardier.com

Sent my reply tonight!! Just a little longer till we get some snow!!! Summer flew by!!!

I&#39;m late, but I&#39;m in. I drafted a quick letter and sent it off. I&#39;ll fill you guy&#39;s in on the responce.

Sounds like things are going good. *I do belive that they will send this info up to people that make the desisions. *

And I also belive that convinceing them to put a 809 in a ZX will not take much arm pulling anyway.

Keep it up.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Machzzzz1 @ Aug. 29, 2002, 6:10pm)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Maluchm I didnt mean for us to re send the letter 50 times. *Maybe 2 or 3 times max. *But I want as many diffrent posters as possible.[/b][/quote]
When you get a chance, read my post again! *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
But thanks for clarifying this for others who may have
misinterpreted you.

I sent 2 in.. One copied from here(Slarson) , and one I wrote *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

When you think about the Mach Z what comes to mind??

When I bought mine, I wanted the "flagship" Doo. I also liked how my big body fit on it.

The dealer that sold me the Mach Z explained my choices like this: You can buy the MXZ which is a Jockey&#39;s sled or you can by the Mach Z which is a man&#39;s sled. *
http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I love the triple and hope they keep the Mach Z in their lineup!

Good Job everyone.

Lets hammer them again. *Send more letters. *We have to get the message accross.

Oh and by the way. *I was at the dealer with a tape measure the other day.

The 809 triple could fit in the rev with very little trouble. *Might have to redisign the plastic side panals. *But its very close and for skidoo, it would be nothing.

But all I care about is the triple Mach.

How would ya fit 3 pipes in a Rev? The nose is way too narrow! Or would everyone settle for a triple single?

It doesnt matter how we would do it. *Were talking about bombardier, *They have all the resources to do anything they want. *If they wanted to put a chev 454 in the REV they could do it. *

Even a single wouldnt be bad. *Its the engine that I mostly want.