08-31-2002, 11:13 AM
Just curious, They passed a new bill in Canada for gun control 2 yr ago (I think) which obligates people to register all firearms and it was very controversial.
08-31-2002, 11:13 AM
Just curious, They passed a new bill in Canada for gun control 2 yr ago (I think) which obligates people to register all firearms and it was very controversial.
08-31-2002, 12:00 PM
Guns dont kill people its the idiot holding the gun that kills people. Its just like cars dont kill people, it's the drunk that's driving it that kills people. I do however think that if you own guns they should be locked up and the ammo stored in a seperate location to discourage and protect young kids with curious minds.
08-31-2002, 02:21 PM
I am from Mn and believe in no gun control, both my wife and i have our conceled weapons permits, *I hunt deer,pehasent,geese,ducks,stray cats, ect. * I own many guns and have a great respect for them. * Many of these people that believe in banning guns have no knoledge(sp) of them . *or no expierience with them. *I must admit that when we go to canada i have to check my gun at the border. *(ie no pistols come up with me(or if you bring a rifle to hunt they charge you a fee)). * *These are just my opions and it is hard to voice them here. * One thing i can say is gun training. *and gun respect.
08-31-2002, 05:52 PM
Would a person be more dead if I beat them to death with a golf club or shot them? It has nothing to do with the method, it is the behavior that creates the problem.
08-31-2002, 06:38 PM
Education is the key. In NY our Republican Governor vetoed a bill that would have allowed gun safety to be taught in the schools. I was taught by my father that a gun is dangerous, but only if not used properly.That is some of the problem, no one around to teach young people the respect and proper usage of firearms. Gun control is not the answer. These laws do not hurt the criminal, but impede on the law abiding citizens. If a criminal wants a gun, they will find a way to get one. Also, these frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers are just that,lawyers seeking money from deep pockets. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif *I could go on, but....
08-31-2002, 08:04 PM
I am sure many of you seen my opinion of gun control "putting the second bullet in the same hole the first made" that is gun control.
08-31-2002, 08:36 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Would a person be more dead if I beat them to death with a golf club or shot them? It has nothing to do with the method, it is the behavior that creates the problem.[/b][/quote]
But would one rob a bank with a golf club?
Personally, I think that pistols should be banned since I don't really know of any good use for them except threaten or kill people and maybe close the light's (if some of you watch the Simpson's) but as far as shotgun's go, I don't find anything wrong as long as they are used by responsible people. They should be and are regulated so they don't get in the wrong hands but this should be a free service. It's not that much of a hastle unless someone buy's one every day, then I could understand that the paperwork might be a bit thick. That's just my .02 $ Can or 0.001 US $
08-31-2002, 08:53 PM
Should you be robbing the bank in the first place? Behavior.
08-31-2002, 09:58 PM
guns dont kill people, people kill people. like a friend of mine said " god didnet make men equal, smith and wesson did" and he has a point so *that goes to show you with the school shootings that you shopudlnbet pick on the little kid cuz hes gonna come back and shoot you *i am a member of the NRA and i own WAY to many guns and *the goverment cant come get them and if anyone tries ill be ready they are my guns *and i should be able to do what i want with them... if you take guns away you make it easier on the "robber" or "bad guy" *im kinda goin on a rant here but im a strong believer in guns and *its easy to get me goin on this subject..
forgot to add.. * what good will it do to take away guns or restrict them *JACK !! *guns will alway be there and do you think the big bad mophia guy is gonna go to wal-mart and pick out a nice new 9 im kinda thinking not so hes always gonna be able to get them all it does for gun control is makein the honest person suffer
08-31-2002, 10:30 PM
It is the idiots that use them that are the problem, gun crime will NOT go down even if they ban them, because all of the criminals will have them. Ask great britain how much their murder, assault, and robbery crimes have risen since enacting their latest bans. The problem is that beaurocrats that no nothing about them, and the lawful people who own them. Gun control is proven NOT to reduce crime, rather the opposite is true. Yes a utopia without guns, violence and a multitude of other terrible crimes would be nice, but it is just not and never will be reality, so the anti gunners should get their heads out of their butts and smell the coffee.
08-31-2002, 10:57 PM
So why should anything be banned? There's always going to be drugs on the street, why not make em legal? Same thing goes with all banned or regulated substances, things or even actions. Ultimately, it all comes down to people. The only thing is where to draw the line. Should known terrorist be allowed to buy gun's... I'll stop posting on this thread cause I too could go on and on but I do find other people's point of view interesting.
08-31-2002, 11:33 PM
I thought gun control ment using both hands and hitting what you aimed for. the only thing making them ilegal will do is raise the price not the availability. *just my 2 cent`s
09-01-2002, 06:29 AM
AC it is simple,
Terrorist get guns through rogue countries or illegal sources like most criminals. If they were not commercially available in the USA they would be smuggled in from a country like Iraq or others, the point is no law will stop them from coming in just like narcotics. I assume it would be the same in Canada too.
09-01-2002, 06:43 AM
from my cold dead hands they will get my guns,including my hand gun.think about this,I think everyone of age should be made to carry a gun think how low crime would be,are you going to try and hold up a person you know is carring a gun,try and car jack a family or individual you know has a gun,I think not.like others have said the day they took guns from g. britain was a sad day indead now the law bidding citizen has no arms and the criminals are still buying them in the street.the day guns are outlawed I will become an outlaw.
09-01-2002, 09:00 AM
WELL SAID!!!!! im with you on that all the way
09-01-2002, 09:15 AM
I live on rural property. *The average response time for any emergency service is over 10 minutes. *This is a fact of life in the country. *If somebody is going to be stupid enough to break into my house, then the only mop up job the sheriff is going to have to do will be to remove the intruders body.
Furthermore, banning guns forces the populace to depend on the government for their protection. *Since when has the government done ANYTHING right, or worthy of being trusted?
There is another cliche that is all too true - Government prefer unarmed peasants.
We don't need gun laws, we need to make self responsibility commonplace.
09-01-2002, 12:35 PM
I agree with you in theory Dooman about everyone having a concealed carry, the only problem is that people get pi$$ed off over stupid crap and end up shooting each other. You think road rage is bad can you imagine what it would be like with guns.
*I own several guns myself including a number of handguns and your right I'm not goign to wait for Law Enforcement to come and protect my family and I from an armed intruder. Law Enforcement is mainly a reactionary entitiy (show up and clean up after the fact). I dont mean that as a rip on cops, but they cant be everywhere all the time. *You break into my house your going to be met with the business end of a *Ruger Mini-14 with a 30 round clip. *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif
09-01-2002, 02:02 PM
Well AC if you want opinions heres one for you. More people in the US are killed by fire than by guns, this would probably hold true in Canada also. *In your profile you state you like to "BURN THINGS." Does this mean we need to outlaw matches? What about the fire you start that gets away from you, and your local firefighter gets hurt or killed putting it out? There has been a debate going on over loud pipes. I don't like them but I also don't think we need a law about it. Be careful how many freedoms you are willing to give up for others, as someday the shoe may be on the other foot.
09-01-2002, 03:54 PM
tobacco kills, more than guns.I bet if you research you will find more people die in cars than by gun fire as well.
09-01-2002, 10:05 PM
I dont know where to start on this topic. Alot of you have said most everything that I believe. All the guns in the U.S. could never be gathered up. I know so many people that have older guns that arent registered, as Im sure most of you do. How are they going to get them? It will never happen. Jeff Foxworthy says something like "there is an engine swing from a tree in the yard, dont go there! You know there is a shotgun waiting for you. I too have my personal protection permit. I go to school in Pittsburgh and ride the bus at night a lot and it can be pretty scary at times. I am glad that it is my right to carry a pistol to protect myself. I hope that I never have to use it, but it is nice knowing that it is there. AC, I use the pistol for target shooting, it is a lot cheaper to use than my rifle. It is like gas mileage, the smaller gun like the smaller sled, car, or truck is cheaper to use than the bigger one. My father hunts with a pistol, it is more of a challenge to him. I hope that you are not against hunting. Please dont get me going on that *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/exclamation.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif It is so true that when guns are outlawed, that only outlaws will have guns. I do believe in gun control. I dont see why you need a fully automatic uzzie or anything bigger than a 10 round pistol clip. Unless your are in some wild wild west movie, if you cant handle in ten shots, forget it. I too feel that IF guns are outlawed, you will have to pry mine and a lot of others out of my cold dead hands! I will stop there. I could go one forever!!!
09-01-2002, 11:12 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hope that you are not against hunting[/b][/quote]
Don't worry about that, I went hunting a few times, it's even part of the French-Canadian culture.
There is a saying in French " vaut mieux prévenir que guérir" which means it is better to prevent then to heal and IMO, gun control is the only way, unless there is a better solution http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
Here are a couple stats I've found:
In the U.S. for 1998, there were 30,708 deaths from firearms
The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care.
And Taconitehead, *I don't know where you get your stats but this is on the USFA National Fire Data Center (NFDC) site
Approximately 3,400 Americans will die of fire related causes in 1999.
Seems a bit lower than firearms-related death's.
About car-related death, Imagine how many more there would be if cars, traffic and speed were not regulated http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif
And this is the Firearms Death Rate (per 100,000) for Young Males in Selected Countries - 1993 It's a bit old but it does depict a rather grim picture of the situation without gun control, I don't know how it could be much worse *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
And as I said, I'm not for banning guns, but I would like to know that something is being done so most gun's have a responsible owner.
09-01-2002, 11:44 PM
for the guy that was talking about no pistols, i use my thompson and my 44mag to go hunting with. *also you can take a shotgun and trim the barrel and stock and make a heck of pistol, *also if you have 10 rounds or 15, or 30, what diffrence does it make, * I only need 1 round to hit what i want, *but, *what if a have multiple targets. *just a thought. *OH by the way they still sell the glock 17 with a 17 round clip.
09-02-2002, 02:34 AM
Under my mattress, there is a .22 with 9 round clip, the clip is loaded with 9 bullets but not in the gun, if someone breaks into my house, I get it out, if they are armed, I see no reason why I shouldn't shoot. *What I really hate is how most people think that if you take guns away, the criminals won't have them either, but that is wrong, I'm with dooman, if every [I]sane, stable, able person[I] had a concealed weapon, the criminals would not want to commit the crimes that they do.
09-02-2002, 03:49 AM
Your "chart" says it all.............Israel has on of the highest percentages of firearms ownership in the world and a low death rate, switzerland is very high also, and they didnt even make the list. What this proves is it is not the firearms but rather the culture and what people are willing to do with them. I understand other countries are low and they have little if any firearms, but many of them have much lower crime violent crime rates. Here in the states it seems many people place little value on others lives, but even if you outlaw firearms they will still be here, only the bad guys will have them.
09-02-2002, 06:20 AM
they can sell the big clip guns just not produce them for anything other than police.there are ways around this. I know a small shop that takes trade-ins.he gets the year old guns to sell and sells the law officers new ones ,completely legal.not to mention most manufacturers knew the laws were about to change and they cranked up production to beat the date of manufacter deadline. the size of the clip should not matter anyone,particularly the government.I will say that the for-fathers had a vision and it included the right to keep and bear arms,no limits. they did not say you could only have the ones we want you too.the common response to this is they were thinking of the military/militia,which was not even in existance at that time.new law,I say the only sleds for sale will be ski-doos ,no cats,or polaris and yamahas will be for sale legally.that is the kind of laws we don't need.
09-02-2002, 10:11 AM
The only way to control death by gun is to start controlling these people at a young age. With all the lawyers and social workers these days there is no disaplin (sp) these days. If a kid steps out of line let him have it but do it with love and teach them respect. This is the whole problem these days. Most criminals are people that had lack of disaplin or lack of love with disaplin. Also bring back capital punishment. I a person goes out and shots and kills someone in a crime of somesort he should go to trial to make sure it is proven he/she did it than off to the sentencing ie hanging electrocution or something other than just going to sleep. They brutaly killed somone they should get the same. Control by fear. The prison systems are getting to cushy.
I will dissaplin my children as I see fit but I also love them very much and am the first person to talk to them and give them hugs and kisses after this.
We don't need gun control, we need people control period.
ps I have a handgun, ruger blackhawk .45 long colt and I use it for deer hunting when walking the brush..
09-02-2002, 10:28 PM
Gun control is stupid. *It only controls the honest, law obiding gun user. *
The criminals will always have there guns period.
09-02-2002, 11:12 PM
I've spent my life around guns. #### my dads basement is insane now. i was there yesterday and he has 6 reloading presses now. Some hydrolic and air powered. I can hit a dam dime at 50ft, that is gun control. The only people that shouldn't have them are criminals and men/woman not mentilly fit to. If you have domestic abuse cases no guns I say. I have a friend that lost his mother and father after his dad went nuts during a divorce.
09-03-2002, 11:47 AM
Anyone watch "CSI" last night, where dude killed dude with a frozen beef bullet? *Pretty creative.
"Guns don't kill people--I kill people!"
09-03-2002, 02:04 PM
Don't even get me started.
But just for the record, every Canadian should know what our government is doing about gun control.
By the end of this year, I have to have all my guns registered with the gov't. *Incl. make, model, barrel length, action etc. *No all of my restricted guns (handguns) are already registered. *I had to take a course, and undergo a police investigation of my past record, and allow them to talk to my wife, friends and neighbours.
However if I don't send them the information they want on the old family shotgun by Dec. 31, 2002, I will be a criminal.
This registration process was supposed to cost the Canadian people less than 100 million dollars. *Current estimates are now almost 1 billion dollars, with the large majority of the gun owning/law abiding population having not yet registered.
Canada committed $250million to the law against terrorism, and over $1 billion to the war against law abiding gun owners.
Doesn't seem right to me.
09-03-2002, 10:44 PM
AC, all I'll say is that handguns have had to be registered in Canada since 1934.
A couple of questions for you,
What percentage of "direct" firearm crimes (not carless storage tacked on to a stolen property charge) are illegal handguns. These were the fudged statistics the Department of Justice wanted the RCMP to create.
What percentage of legitimate gun owners in Canada own handguns? I think you will find out that the crimanals are using handguns a lot more that the average hunter is causing problems w/ his shotgun.
If any Canadian posters would like to get on a very informative mailing list, email Garry Breitkreuz, MP (Yorkton-Melville at firstname.lastname@example.org
I grew up in a household w/ guns too & was told from a very early age that they were not toys & was taught the proper use. 22 years ago this fall I took the Ontario Hunter Safety Course & have been partridge & deer hunting ever since.
I will not reply to any further posts as this is one subject I don't want to get into.
09-10-2002, 12:25 AM
If i remember right, a year or two ago they asked the head of the police in a big city in canada how long it would take hime to go out in the street and get a hand gun. * He stated to the us reporters that if they gave him $200 us he would be back in 20 *with a hand gun, *alot of good the registering is doing in canada, aa funny one to look at is what they did in australia, they had every one register there guns, *then one day the goverment came by and collected them, nice ,huh, *i like, they can have my gun when they pry it from my cold dead fingers. *the problem for them is that we have started shooting at a gong a 1000yrds out , and we are getting preatty good at hitting it. *ps if you buy a 50 bmg you can hit stuff very well at a mile. but with $5000 i can go out and buy one of these very easily. just a thought. *have a good one all.
09-13-2002, 02:54 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">However if I don't send them the information they want on the old family shotgun by Dec. 31, 2002, I will be a criminal.[/b][/quote]
Here is some insight into the whole gun law. My dad was the cheif firearms officer here in Manitoba and what he said is that the police are so understaffed that the only reason a person would get into trouble with his guns not being registered or stored properly, is if he did something that would allow them into their home or was reported by a neighbour. He figures that in his and my lifetime we will not see house checks in regards to gun control. Its sort of like the satellite thing, you won't be bothered until they search your house for anything.
Here is an example: You steel a snowmobile and the police track you down, They get a search warrent to search your premise and find you have a stash of guns and ammo, and not stored properly, and they find the snowmobile. You will be charged with the theft of the sled, having unregistered guns, and not storing your guns properly. Tou go to court and fight all of the above and make a deal to take the theft charge if they drop the other charges. Your always charged with as much as possible so they can at least get a conviction of some sort.
So for many years to come, your guns are safe at home.
09-13-2002, 03:29 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sled Dogg @ Sep. 03, 2002, 12:12am)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">#### my dads basement is insane now. i was there yesterday and he has 6 reloading presses now. Some hydrolic and air powered.[/b][/quote]
Caleb, where does your dad live. *ha ha http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
09-13-2002, 04:30 PM
"An armed society is a polite society" *I *have had my concealed weapon permit for just over a year now. *I carry a .357 magnum everyday. *I use to be one of those drivers that was really quick with the finger and a few choice words for other drivers that I thought did something wrong. *It's funny, but I don't do that anymore unless it's really bad. *You know why I changed? *Because I don't know if the other clown is armed and I don't want to give him a reason to let me know that he is.
"If Guns were Illegal, only criminals would have guns"