In the Amsnow buyers guide, they rated the Yamaha as the best crossover sled of the big 4. Not by much over the Doo, but horses win by a nose all the time!

Nice to see-they said the Yamaha was smooth, comfortable, great speed, pull and throttle pull all rolled up-they also said you will be very suprised if you get on one and expect to be on a re-badged RX-1 or RX Warrior. Looking forward to some serious snow testing this winter......

Thats very good!. But hey, what else did you expect from yamaha on that one.. This is especially true when all the brands are coming out with continuously lighter and more powerful sleds almost every year.

I think these new sleds are going to be amazing

Anybody else see that all the rags are singing the praises of the new Yamaha's :thumbsup:

As always I would use Amsnow to wipe my backend in the outhouse at the warm up shack. I value the opinions of real riders that I ride with over any magazine out there. It's amazing how the real world opinions rarely if ever match what the magazines say. But you Yammy guys can past it up on all your shop walls and gloat all you guys want if it makes you feel better.

But you Yammy guys can past it up on all your shop walls and gloat all you guys want if it makes you feel better.

It does.

Once other thing to note, these were pre-production models. Often the actual production models arent quite as good as the pre-production ones.
Not saying that Apex and Attak wont be great sleds but lets see how the actual production models are.
Octane

Originally posted by rob7374@Aug 19 2005, 02:41 AM
As always I would use Amsnow to wipe my backend in the outhouse at the warm up shack. I value the opinions of real riders that I ride with over any magazine out there. It's amazing how the real world opinions rarely if ever match what the magazines say. But you Yammy guys can past it up on all your shop walls and gloat all you guys want if it makes you feel better.
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Rob-Somehow, this is what I expected you to say-obviously Amsnow doesn't know anything-they picked the Doo as the best Overall sled!

You're getting very predictable. BTW, the RS Vector was picked as best touring sled...........

Originally posted by spikegary@Aug 19 2005, 11:52 AM
Rob-Somehow, this is what I expected you to say-obviously Amsnow doesn't know anything-they picked the Doo as the best Overall sled!

You're getting very predictable.* BTW, the RS Vector was picked as best touring sled...........
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Darn. I'm getting too predictable. :lmao: All I'm saying is it is a trashy mag. I really do not see how any magazine can pick the best of anything when they are evaluating preproduction sleds. This has nothing to do with Yammy or any other manufacture.
On a side note you Yammy guys should be happy now that the CSRA is allowing the 4 strokers to run against the 2 strokers.

Originally posted by Mighty RX-1@Aug 18 2005, 08:36 PM
Anybody else see that all the rags are singing the praises of the new Yamaha's* :thumbsup:
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They must all be bad magazines because they don't agree with Rob.

I'm sure the regular production line sleds will be much worse than the pre-production sleds because they won't have the bugs in them that were worked out in pre-production....... :dazed:

On a side note you Yammy guys should be happy now that the CSRA is allowing the 4 strokers to run against the 2 strokers.

I have heard that too, I really cant wait to see this!.

This must be for the open class right?, becuase the yammys are 1000cc

Originally posted by spikegary@Aug 19 2005, 03:12 PM
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They must all be bad magazines because they don't agree with Rob.

I'm sure the regular production line sleds will be much worse than the pre-production sleds because they won't have the bugs in them that were worked out in pre-production.......* :dazed:
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Thats what happened in the case of the SX Viper. In preproduction form the magazines raved about it, saying that it was just what Yamaha owners were asking for to do battle with XCs, ZRs and MXzs through the big bumps.
When the production models were released, it just wasnt as impressive and now the SX Viper is considered to be a failure.
Octane

Originally posted by Octane@Aug 19 2005, 05:35 PM
Thats what happened in the case of the SX Viper.* In preproduction form the magazines raved about it, saying that it was just what Yamaha owners were asking for to do battle with XCs, ZRs and MXzs through the big bumps.
When the production models were released, it just wasnt as impressive and now the SX Viper is considered to be a failure.
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Are you sure it was considered to be a failure. Wasnt it the best selling snowmobile of that year, or at least a very good seller?.

Also, I know that there were complaints of the suspension being to stiff(Made for bumps), and the sled was durable and preety quick. Then in the trail Viper last year, it was the Viper S, with ohlins shocks up front and better rear suspension.

Even if it wasnt the best, its still preety harsh to say its a failure because it did do ok.

Originally posted by Yamahammer@Aug 18 2005, 12:11 PM
all the brands are coming out with continuously lighter and more powerful sleds almost every year.
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I thought I read somewhere that the Firecats and Rev's have been getting heavier every year while the Yamaha 4 strokes have been getting lighter. :dazed:

Originally posted by Yamahammer@Aug 19 2005, 07:41 PM
Are you sure it was considered to be a failure.* Wasnt it the best selling snowmobile of that year, or at least a very good seller?.

Also, I know that there were complaints of the suspension being to stiff(Made for bumps), and the sled was durable and preety quick.* Then in the trail Viper last year, it was the Viper S, with ohlins shocks up front and better rear suspension.

Even if it wasnt the best, its still preety harsh to say its a failure because it did do ok.
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The Viper is really much more of a smooth trail performance sled, certainly not a mogul masher or a ditchbanger.
Also, the SX Viper with powervalves was down on power compared to other 700s (10-20 hp) and even some of the 600s will beat it on the lake.
As far as durability, they are known for breaking front w-arms. Other than that (engine, cluthes, ect) they are very durable.
Not trying to bash Yamaha or the Viper, Im just saying that dont bank on what the mags say just yet. They have only ridden pre-production models, which are often lighter and more powerfull than the actual production units. Even then, the mags tend to favor the brands that buy the most ad space.
Its just like with the '05 Fusion. In the preseason they all gave it glowing reviews saying it would change the way we ride. Now the mags are saying the complete opposite about the Fusion.
Octane

Originally posted by shortstop20@Aug 19 2005, 08:06 PM
I thought I read somewhere that the Firecats and Rev's have been getting heavier every year while the Yamaha 4 strokes have been getting lighter.* :dazed:
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Nope, in one example, the Firecat F7 had the same weight since its intro and same with F5. The 2006 ZR 900 weight is down one pound from the 2003, but went down a whole bunch in 2004 for some reason. The mountain cat 900 151" track in 2003 was 4 pounds heavier than the 2004. These are the only sleds I really looked at to compare, so im assuming that all the others weight went down. Rev lost that stupid beaver tail, yammy is continuously making everything lighter, and so is polaris. Some may have went up but not from what iv seen.

I sure hope theyre not making sleds heavier or else my Nytro might not be sitting in my garage in the next few years..

Originally posted by spikegary@Aug 19 2005, 03:12 PM
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They must all be bad magazines because they don't agree with Rob.

I'm sure the regular production line sleds will be much worse than the pre-production sleds because they won't have the bugs in them that were worked out in pre-production.......* :dazed:
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Hey no magazine has to agree with me and vice versa and I will never purchase a sled based off of what a magazine claims. It always seems like whoever has the most advertising in the magazine that month gets the better review. Real world reviews from actual owners of sleds benifit me way more than some magazine trying to blow sunshine up Yamaha's ( or whoever the flavor of the month is )azz in exchange for more advertising.
As for preproduction to regular production at times there can be a big big difference. Chassis tend to gain pounds, suspension calibrations need to be finalized and same with clutching. Sure the sleds will be damn close but it happened before many many times were preproduction sleds shine and the actual production ones are turds.

Originally posted by Mighty RX-1@Aug 18 2005, 03:36 PM
Anybody else see that all the rags are singing the praises of the new Yamaha's* :thumbsup:
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Snowgoer quote." Even in the midwest, the Mono-Shock RA has fourth-place performance in rough conditions."

Trust me, Yamaha has learned a thing or two about making changes from the proto's to the actual production models. You will not see a fall off in either performance nor rider comfort from the proto's extensively ridden last winter. Two grass draggers I know have already dynoed their Apex's, they both came in about 149.5 HP out of the crate. Most RX-1 engines were in the high 130's

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I know the sleds I gave fits to with my RX-1 and Warrior, so you can imagine how I'm looking forward to seeing them again with a lighter more powerful sled :devil:

Can't wait to hear how things work out, should be an interesting season for Yamaha.

Gary, it's a shame when you can't even come inside the Yammi forum and say something good about them without riders of other brands weezling their way in to undercut you! :bash: Just don't even understand why people want to waste their breath with negative dialogue, but I guess that's what makes them feel better than the rest of us.

I truly can't wait to see how these new Yammis play out. This is going to be the biggest year for them yet, and the other 3 will prob lose more cust this year than any other manufacturer in any other year. If they're half as good as I think they are, Cat will lose a customer (ME) next year if they don't step up to the plate. It seems like the only knock the new ones have received so far is how easy the skid can bottom out...nothing that a new set of springs can't fix. I can't wait to spend some time on an Attak this season. The local Yammi dealer is a friend of mine and is pretty liberal about loaning sleds out to friends, and he's ordering at least a couple of Attaks (doesn't sound like many, but we're in southern IL where we haven't been able to ride the sleds locally for at least two seasons now).

BTW, SnowGoer had this to say about the CrossFire..."it's the best do-all sled to come from any sled factory." Hopefully Cat will take notes from the Attak and slip that perf 4-stroke they've been testing in the CF chassis very soon.