This storm is massive, I feel for the people down there, and praying that everyone will be ok.. :thumbsup:

Originally posted by snow4mydooplz@Aug 28 2005, 08:14 PM
This storm is massive, I feel for the people down there, and praying that everyone will be ok.. :thumbsup:
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Yeah she's a BIG one just saw her on THE WEATHER CHANNEL!

Can't mess with Mother Nature! Here's hoping for the best!

I leave for vacation tuesday, supposed to be going to Williamsburg, VA. The projected path now looks like its supposed to stay off of the coast, but is going to hit here at home more though. :( :D

I just watched the news. Man that thing is wide too. Packing 160mph+ winds. Supposedly this will only be the third category 5 hurricane to hit the states. This is the storm that they always hoped would never hit New Orleans, since the city is below sea level. Not only will the hurricane dump water up to 28 ft above flood level, but the winds will also pull water out of the lake (forget the name) just north of the city and blow it in to the city....they're going to get it from both ends. I really feel for those people down there too.

Well, looks like their worst fears came true. Even with missing the eye of the storm, New Orleans still flooded due to the levy breaking on the lake north of town. Many people in old town went to bed last night thinking they missed it, only to wake up this morning to their streets/homes flooded due to the levy breaking overnight.

The Biloxi shoreline really took a hit. Homes and businesses are completely gone. Seeing that footage, can only make one try to imagine what the Tsunami was like.

Devastating to say the very least.
My thoughts and prayers go out to all who are effected by Katrina.
Remember those in need; the Red Cross is asking for support in their efforts.

Originally posted by charlies custom polaris@Aug 30 2005, 11:07 AM
Devastating to say the very least.
My thoughts and prayers go out to all who are effected by Katrina.
Remember those in need; the Red Cross is asking for support in their efforts.
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I"m really happy you brought this up... going to do that tomorrow, give blood that is. :)

Well I'm sitting here on Wednesday evening watching CNN and I have to just say you guys.. This whole thing has distrubed me bigtime.. I just can't believe the devestation that has taken place. It just seems that the news keeps getting worse and worse as the hours go by. This morning at work I walked over to the water tank and got a cup of water just like any other day, but today, I seriously thought to myself, " there are people who would love this water right about now and yet they wonder if they will be alive to take a drink".. It's very very sad, and just wanted everyone to know I'm thinking about this alot and I"m sure a lot of you are too... SWRules

The more I read and see about this, the more I'm affected too, and feel like there's something I should be doing. Don't know what I'm more amazed at, the total devastation or the idiots who are looting from their fellow citizens. :bash: It's truly impossible to realize what has happened down there. The following link is full of pics and stories. There is a lady (rescued) who tells of hearing her neighbor lady and her 5 yr old son yelling from their attic for help....as the waters rose, the voices disappeared. We'll probably never know how many times something like that happened. There are pics of people helping each other, but also a pic of a car going down a street with the trunk full of cases of beer that were just stolen from a drug store.

One of the oil platforms was washed 66 miles from the ocean to the shore...they said it weigh 12 million lbs or tons. Some of the oil rigs are still missing, but apparently no oil was spilled during the storm.

NOLA.COM (http://www.nola.com/hurricane/photos/)

The more I read and see about this, the more I'm affected too, and feel like there's something I should be doing. Don't know what I'm more amazed at, the total devastation or the idiots who are looting from their fellow citizens. :bash: It's truly impossible to realize what has happened down there. The following link is full of pics and stories. There is a lady (rescued) who tells of hearing her neighbor lady and her 5 yr old son yelling from their attic for help....as the waters rose, the voices disappeared. We'll probably never know how many times something like that happened. There are pics of people helping each other, but also a pic of a car going down a street with the trunk full of cases of beer that were just stolen from a drug store.

One of the oil platforms was washed 66 miles from the ocean to the shore...they said it weigh 12 million lbs or tons. Some of the oil rigs are still missing, but apparently no oil was spilled during the storm.

NOLA.COM (http://www.nola.com/hurricane/photos/)

Hi all, Mr. negitive here. I for one am having a bit of a time feeling sorry for these people. I mean, look at New Orleans and most of Louisania, it was and is a "swamp" that was dredged out with an average of 6' below sea level. Then levyies were put up to keep the sea out [ya right]. When mother nature barks we are at her mercy no matter what we do.
I also dont feel sorry for people that build along the coast or build houses on mountain sides on stilts.
What would you say if some one decided to build a town or city in the middle of an in-active volcano because it hasn't erupted in 1000 years??

NUTS right? Well the way I see it, all the above mentioned is no different.
If you are willing to live in the lions mouth dont cry when you get bit!

I'm sort of with you there Mikadoo. However I feel badly for all the injuries and lost lives. The fear some of them have faced is incredible.
But I can't figure out why educated people would want to live there? Knowing that YOU are living below sea level.
I guess everyone takes their chances, just like we do sledding, biking, skydiving, you think it's not going to happen to you.
for good pics visit CNN site http://www.cnn.com

yes NO has always been below sea level but the elevation has also drastically changed since its inception (sunk). As a civil engineer I still can't figure out all the logic behind this with the urban development anyway.

The only reason that I am not feeling badly for them is that they knew this was coming, unlike the tsunami... however, the eye missed them and many returned, then the levy broke. However how many times have they been told to evacuate? I have made my donation to the red cross in the name of SW and I hope others will do the same. (remember this when you turn in your taxes)

and also remember these are still people and they do need help. Unless you can ride over in a helicopter with bags of bread and water, they need the real dough.

Mikadoo, I certainly agree with you about building homes, etc, in those locations. When I visit California I can't believe how some of those houses literally have more sq feet hanging over the edge than on solid ground. HOWEVER, many of these people have been lead to believe over the years that there was a plan in place for something like this. Would I ever live in a fishbowl like that, HELL NO. But that doesn't prevent me from feeling sorry for folks who have lost their loved ones. I guess by your view, we shouldn't feel sorry for your family if you were to crash your sled into a tree, or fall through the ice on a lake? :confused: I mean after all, sledding is a pretty dangerous sport when you consider what it involves. I'm not being an a-hole here, just throwing it out there so you might see it from a different side. The ones I really don't feel sorry for are the ones who were able to get out but didn't, and the ones that are looting now and shooting up the place.

When that levy was built, it was only built to cat 3 specs because that's all they were approved for. Last year was the biggest cut back in budgets in that area for natural disaster preparedness/recovery. There has already been some mention about cleaning the place up and turning it into a lake....kind of hard to believe for some, but really, what else is that area good for????

Originally posted by JIM FRITCH@Sep 1 2005, 09:03 PM
* There has already been some mention about cleaning the place up and turning it into a lake....kind of hard to believe for some, but really, what else is that area good for????
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the fish would die from all the ecoli on bourbon street

The news last night had a half hour on the disaster. I was shocked and horrified. The disaster is that such a huge wealthy county still has thousands of thousands of people starving, dehydrating ect.
I'd look to, to find food and water.
It seems like there was faster relieve efforts made for the poor country. Bush is only showing up today!
They are taking their time removing surviours from the dome because they don't want to over crowd the buses, and bringing them slowly to areas where everyone can have a bed ect. Skip the nicities, get their @$$es out of there.
Everryone knows that Canada has the DARD. Why didn't bush get on the phone and ask for it immediatly for the people at the dome? It takes days for it to depart, but it might have been there now.
The disaster to the area is one thing, the real disaster is a lack of relieve efforts. I just can't believe that an entire country can't act faster to aid ONE city. 5 days with out food, water, meds.
Guess ya can tell and I didn't sleep well, thanks for letting me vent.

Originally posted by mlabudda@Sep 1 2005, 08:22 PM
the fish would die from all the ecoli on bourbon street
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Budda, I think that's why they are saying to clean it up first, and then let 'er fill.

also on the news last night, it showed the resucue workers out on the boats trying to find people in houses and they said they are not going back out until they have someone to protect, as the rescuers do not feel safe. this is crazy, yes people are pi$$ed about the hole thing but there is no need to start shooting at the rescuers.

My question is....when everyone is cleared out and the clean up starts....what will they do with all of that contaminated water? I can't imagine pumping it into the mississippi river or the gulf.

another thing....NO may have always been below sea level and may have been sinking for some time, but they have also lost ALOT of their coastal marshes that used to give some protection.

I remember last year when Ivan was steering toward NO they were worried about the levies. I'm sure plenty of people had concerns long before then too. I can't fathom why nobody was more prepared for them to fail. I see some news outlets are now ranting about how the Army Corps of Engineers budget for the NO levies was slashed this past summer. But even if the budget was there, do they really think those levies would have been that much better if the budget was intact? How much work would have been done? Apparently the state of LA and the city of NO should have been screaming about the levies a long long long time ago.
I hear the Mayor of NO screaming about no fed help. Where was his plan for the levies failing? Maybe he should have had some of those school buses that are now under 10' of water on higher ground prepared to evacuate people in the event of a disaster like this. I realize that most of the roads would be impassible for the busses now, but maybe if they had started when the levies first failed.....who knows...
I'll step down off my soap box now. Thanks for the space to let my opinions out.

my anger of the whining going on down there prevent`s me from going into great detail .all i`m going to say is they had a week`s warning

Originally posted by ONTHINICE@Sep 7 2005, 10:54 PM
I guess I'm the 'odd' one out here, but hey; I gotta be me :D
I was brought to tears when I finally seen the SPCA on the news rescuing all them wonderful 'pets' that had NO options.
Even the Military peeps were crying and applauding the SPCA for their speedy action.* KUDOS!!! :thumbsup:* :thumbsup:
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I hear ya on that one!!! Almost makes me cry when I see them pass right by the animals swimming in the muk while looking for humans :( I would be one of those people refusing to leave if they wouldn't let me take my pets. Times like these I wish I had a ton of money to set up shelter for those animals. There has been a lot of great work to save as many as possible, but many have perished. They were talking of one animal shelter that had flooded...over a hundred animals drowned, but there were still over a hundred swimming in the waters w/in this shelter. Have seriously thought about taking time off to go down there, but I don't think the risk of not coming back would be fair to my family.

On another note, have you guys seen the recently released photos from inside the convention center????? :devil: Decapitated bodies....can't believe CNN got away with showing them....that place must have been a living hell like many described it...killings, rapes of young people, etc. Hope the guilty ones have met their fate.

Originally posted by ONTHINICE@Sep 8 2005, 12:54 AM
I guess I'm the 'odd' one out here, but hey; I gotta be me :D
I was brought to tears when I finally seen the SPCA on the news rescuing all them wonderful 'pets' that had NO options.
Even the Military peeps were crying and applauding the SPCA for their speedy action.* KUDOS!!! :thumbsup:* :thumbsup:
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Forgive me OTI for this but,,, I have figured out that the SPCA stands for a good organization but what do the letters SPCA actually stand for?? I would imgaine it is something like the Humane Society here.

On another note, why was it such an issue to tell these folks that yes you can bring your pet with you?? I have only had my little kitty "snirt" for a few weeks now but would not want to leave him behind.

society for the prevention of cruelty of animals . M

Originally posted by snow4mydooplz@Sep 11 2005, 05:18 PM
On another note, why was it such an issue to* tell these folks that yes you can bring your pet with you??* I have only had my little kitty "snirt" for a few weeks now but would not want to leave him behind.
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where do you draw the line.. cats dogs iguanas, etc. And then if you allow dogs where is the cutoff, a little poodle vs a st bernard? they had to do something, I would be pretty ticked if say someones grandmother wasnt rescued because they didn't have room for one more and there was a St Bernard in there.

Now on another topic, we thought Katrina was big, why would they name one Rita? sounds like Katrina to me.

With 175mph winds an expert expects the coastal city of Galveston to be flattened by a storm serge, wall of water, that will not immediately retract back to the ocean. This wall of water is expected to continue to Houston and submerge the downtown area with 15 feet of water. The destruction is expected to be greater than Katrina.

Originally posted by mlabudda@Sep 22 2005, 08:51 AM
Now on another topic, we thought Katrina was big, why would they name one Rita? sounds like Katrina to me.
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Similar, for sure. But those names are given before the season starts.