Okay I have just picked up my new ride and 3 of my friends a die hard cat fans. They will not stop bugging my about how their F6 are gonna waste me, telling me that all my "Mustard bucket" will see is snow flap,

I want to know if this is true or not cause they will not get off my back, and I already got 50$ in this bet.

Buy a Cudney Clutch kit and you should waste them.
www.cudneyracing.com

Check this site out, he makes a killer mods for the mxz700, check out his big bore kits too.
www.2strokeheads.com

If both are stock out on the lake the F6
is going to take you w/out a shadow of a doubt. SWRules

Yah thanks fir the advice, I'm not sure, the guy before me said he took a 2003 600 ho by about 2 sleds from top to bottom, not sure if that is true or not.

Yah thanks fir the advice, I'm not sure, the guy before me said he took a 2003 600 ho by about 2 sleds from top to bottom, not sure if that is true or not.
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My REV 600 H.O. is fairly well set up clutching wise. Bone stock in the engine department and I can run with MX Z 700's for the most part. There is the odd one around here that is faster though. But those F6's are just soooooo damn fast and it is sooooooo easy to make them faster.
How good is the engine in your MX Z ? If it still has stock Doo pistons and rings I would be getting a set from Cudney for it. Get him to clean up your head as well. Then get one of Bill's clutch kits and at least reed spacers from him. TPI's would get you a little more air flow as well and redds. He sells this all in one kit btw for $590 Canadian...not including the pistons/rings and head clean up. Then set up the rear suspension properly so you get some decent transfer. This should keep you out front. Otherwise get used to seeing those F6's snow flaps.

F6's are fast no doubt, a well clutched mxz700 should handle them though. If you are bone stock however i think you are gonna be out your $50.

Wow I am really surprized that the f-6 can run that well, I look up stats and the f-6 is around 118 hp while 700 mxz is 124- 126, but I guess it is the lightweight that makes them fast, and how off is my stock clutching?

(p.s has anyone actually seen them run against my 700?) thanks fir the replys

SWRules i've seen an F5 run with a '00 mxz 800 on the lake both bone stock the mxz had a can and that was it . The mxz won but the F5 stayed near it . The F6 is at a whole nother level then any 600 on the market. They are just fast!! I've seen an F6 take mxz 700's and 600's and 800's alike the 800's give them a hell of a run tho!If you mod out your MXZ it's still not a gaurentee that you will win !! They are just that fast!! and it is really easy to make them faster. If your buddy decides to mad out this season to you mine as well hand him your $50 :slick: SWRules

If it still has stock Doo pistons and rings I would be getting a set from Cudney for it. [/b]

What do these pistons do different that make them better?

Get him to clean up your head as well. [/b]

What do you mean clean up the head as well?

Then get one of Bill's clutch kits and at least reed spacers from him.
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I am digging the clutch kit for next year but what do the reed spacers do? I ahve new reeds but didn't hear anything about spacers when talking to others, What is the function of them?



Sorry for all of the questions but as a rookie this is how I have too learn. Thanks for any input.

If both are stock out on the lake the F6
is going to take you w/out a shadow of a doubt. SWRules
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Sure glad we know that for sure now.

I also would like to know how they compare on the trials, I really like both of these sleds and owners who have compared them. I always like to hear a good experience.

I have a 2004 f5 What do u think the Chances would be of me beatin a 2003 renagade 600 ho. He has v force threes.

I agree with what you're seeing here. I have an '02 700 and have never been super impressed with the power I have. It's a good sled and like how it runs & rides but I thought when I bought it I'd have to hang on for dear life, but's that is not the case. Unless you are ready to blow the jing on upgrades, don't bet a whole lot on a race across the lake.

yah I agree, but I still love the low end torque of this motor.

What do you guys think of cudneys clutching?
Oh a what jets can u run also.

I have a 2004 f5 What do u think the Chances would be of me beatin a 2003 renagade 600 ho. He has v force threes.
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V-Force III's on a 600 HO really don't make any difference. Slightly crisper throttle response, but any over-all performance gains are negligable.

i think you guys need to get your sleds dialed in a little better. my 02 series III 600 will run about 1/2 a sled behind an f6. i am ahead untill about 50 and then he passes and stays about 1/2 sled up until about 80. havn't gone much over that with him. they have a very impressive mid range but if you are dialed in your 600HO/700 should be able to take them. my buddies 05 600ho beats the f6 everytime by about 1 sled. take this with a grain of salt, our doo's are running top notch and this was an isolated day ;)

Well I had it out today and, man she rolls on the road!! raced my old zl500 and couldn't even see it at the end of the race

It will take one hell of a fast f-6 to spank me I know that for sure.

What do these pistons do different that make them better?
What do you mean clean up the head as well?
I am digging the clutch kit for next year but what do the reed spacers do? I ahve new reeds but didn't hear anything about spacers when talking to others, What is the function of them?
Sorry for all of the questions but as a rookie this is how I have too learn. Thanks for any input.
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Bill's pistons and rings just last way way longer than Doo ones. You will not get a performance gain over brand new Doo ones but your performacne will be there for much much much longer.
Doo cylinder heads are poor machined imo. I have noticed too much variance from side to side on individual cylinders. Basically Bill will "true" it up.
Reed spacers work on the 700. They fit between the cylinders and the reed cages and likely good for maybe 1-2 h.p. at the most but will give a better running sled.

i think you guys need to get your sleds dialed in a little better. my 02 series III 600 will run about 1/2 a sled behind an f6.
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I had the exact same sled. An 02 MX Z 600. It would run all day long infront of most XC 6's and ZR 6's. It was set up very well. It still could not hold a candle to an F6. Maybe a porly set up one yes but if the rider has any clutch tuning skills it was seeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyaaaaaa ! The top end on them is amazing for a little 6.

I think you guys ae all smokin crack!! I have a 00' MXZ 700 and my buddy has a 04' F6 and he never beat me out of three races. Both done stock and no stud. Plus he's lucky if he weighs 140# I weigh 195#. If they are stock it may be a good run but smokin the MXZ NO WAY. The closest he was to me was two sled lengths. Now there were a couple guys at the lake that day that had F6's with the F9 kits on them and they were smokin everyone. I mean everyone. Sounded totally stock. I'd like to see these STOCK F6 run the stock MXZ 700 and SMOKE it. Im not talking a 1/2 sled length. you can get that from a good start. plus the fact of the matter is how good are you on a trail? trail riding is real riding that takes skill anyone can point a sled in a straight line and squeeze the trottle. plus my wifes 01' xc 600 ran with the thing for a while till top end. with my wife on it. lol

I had the exact same sled. An 02 MX Z 600. It would run all day long infront of most XC 6's and ZR 6's. It was set up very well. It still could not hold a candle to an F6. Maybe a porly set up one yes but if the rider has any clutch tuning skills it was seeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyaaaaaa ! The top end on them is amazing for a little 6.
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i agree with you on the top end, never raced one that long but they are fast on top. the one i raced was as is from the dealer, my clutch has been "tuned" still all stock though. i also jetted down for the temps and have the suspension dialed in. he would pull a 1/2 sled at about 50 then sta there till about 80....... i contacted dynamo joe to hlep take care of this little problem :hallo1: FWIW an 02 mxz pulls 2 sleds out of the hole on me then stays 2 sles up all the way to 100.....roll on at 30 my 600 is dead even with a 700.... i'm thinking the 700 will pull hard on an f6 but by 80 or so he will be gaining IMHO

plus the fact of the matter is how good are you on a trail? trail riding is real riding that takes skill anyone can point a sled in a straight line and squeeze the trottle. [/b]Fist off the last part of this sentance ( "anyone can point a sled in a straight line and squeeze the trottle." ) just shows how little you know about racing. Think before you speak.
As for the rest of the sentence trails are no place for riding hard. Get with it. Leave that to other places where innocent and unsuspecting riders can't get hurt by your foolishness.

I had my 700 out this last snowfall, I think it is a great sled, It has good bottom end, but top end falls off at 95, "I think I may handle a f6, bottom end but top end will be similar, I also think stock jetting is too rich.

Fist off the last part of this sentance ( "anyone can point a sled in a straight line and squeeze the trottle." ) just shows how little you know about racing. Think before you speak.
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Are you trying to tell me that it takes skill to go out on a saturday on the lake and race sleds by a buddy starting you? Get real. My 6yr old daughter could do that. Maybe a competition with lights and an actual strip yeah. NO WAY could you convince me it takes more skill to drag a sled vs racing say snowcross!!!

I would beat you on any track so it doesn't matter.

LOL

Are you trying to tell me that it takes skill to go out on a saturday on the lake and race sleds by a buddy starting you? Get real. My 6yr old daughter could do that. Maybe a competition with lights and an actual strip yeah. NO WAY could you convince me it takes more skill to drag a sled vs racing say snowcross!!!
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I would say yes it does take lots of skill. Sure anyone can just pin the flipper and hang on but it also takes a lot of skill to know based on the snow conditions where to sit for best traction, how to adjust your mass correctly to maintain traction going down the strip, can you compensate fast enough if the front end comes up too high, to even keep it going in a straight line sometimes, when to back out if need be and when to get back on it etc etc etc. Sure messing around with buds on a lake may be different for you than it is for me and the guys I ride with. For us though it is all about braggin rights and we take it very seriously. Now you're comparing skill level to snowcross ? very different sports. How much of snowcross is sled set up and how much is rider ? I would say it is way more sled than rider. Both require skill. Spend a season drag racing your sled and see how much skill is needed. You can take the same sled and use to riders of the same weight but different abilities and the more skilled racer will go faster every time.

Drag racing at the lake w/buddies= no skill needed
Bracket racing for $$$$= skill

I'm not trying to argue but when my wife can drag after telling her the basics of it and she can beat people it doesnt take much skill. What I will say is the set up of a sled and adjustments needed for conditions and temp takes skill! That I will say the right set up in that can mean a sled length win or a sled length loss!

SWRules

i agree to this, my wife won the 600 class stock grass races last year, no thanks to my set up :)

Drag racing at the lake w/buddies= no skill needed
Bracket racing for $$$$= skill

SWRules
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Agreed!!

Also agree!!! :withstupid:

I don't know how fast an F6 is, but I have an 01 MXZ 700, and I couldn't take my brothers 04 600 HO SDI on the lake. So...if a F6 smoke a 600 HO, it should logically take the MXZ 700

Just my .02 c and my 200th post. Yea.

your 700 should have beat the HO if both are stock and set up properly......

Brother of the friends F6 i raced with my 00' 700 with had the 04 600ho and I beat him to. They must be set up way better than your guys 700's or something because stock for stock no way. plus he weighed even less than his bro. Maybe he just hooked up better than you on his 600. Maybe you only have a .88 track I don't know. You guys are killing me with all this. Should be a close race with any of them though. Split at worst.

I think it takes more experience than skill, to drag, ex. knowing how to get proper hole shots( very important)

I also got a problem with my recoil, it skips when the engine is warm, but catches when the engine is cold, can't figure this one out.

p.s any tips on dialing up this sled from stock e.x jetting etc..

Set up is key to drag racing. In 2003 my friends and my 700 were running with and sometime beating F7's from the local Cat shop. (The boy's at the shop took awhile to figure out the clutching on the first year F7's) Does this mean I think my sled runs stronger then an F7? No, but it sure felt good when we sent the boys back to the shop on two consecutive week-ends with their tails between their legs. BTW our 700's were bone stock but our suspensions were dialed in. Does drag racing require skill? Yes if you consider picking a lane, weight transfer, and set up skills that you can learn and get better at. I have a buddy who will not even touch his brake when he lines up because he believes the build up of brake dust will slow him down.

hmmm my buddy now has a crossfire 700, I think i have bit off more than I can chew with this one lol :huh:

those sleds are heavier then f7's :)

after seening several 06 F7's and Crossfire 700's run this weekend there could be a whole lotta surprised Doo, Poo and Yammy riders out there. Cat has done something. They fly.

I had my 700 out this last snowfall, I think it is a great sled, It has good bottom end, but top end falls off at 95[/b]

95 on the speedo? Or 95 on the GPS? If you're topping out at 95 on the speedo, then that's not very fast. My buddy's 1982 Yamaha SRV 540 fan would top out at about 105 on the speedo (about 95 TRUE mph), my 82 SS440 fan would top out at 82-84 mph on the GPS with a full tank of gas and me (210 lbs) riding..... My g/f won the snow drags (amateur of course) on my SS440 2 years ago in the 440 class. Seat removed, fuel almost empty, she weighs about 115 lbs. 92 mph on the radar, 1000 ft run.....sled weight was 407 lb dry weight, so I'm guessing she raced it at about 385 lbs dry weight as oil injection, and seat were removed.

Cat has done something. They fly.
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Just get something like a Freestyle or a 440 even and you can beat them. now you may not beat them the first or second run in a 500ft race but you should be able to take them on the 3rd or 4th or even the first time racing across a long distance. lol

If Cat can make one that will not break as much I would think about getting one. I like some of the crossfires I have seen.

If Cat can make one that will not break as much I would think about getting one. I like some of the crossfires I have seen.
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To tell you the truth I had admired how my riding partners Fire Cats have held up. Even the 03's after the updates were done they have been very very reliable. My 04 REV has been good as well...except for rings and a few other things. IMO no one really makes junk any more.

Like anything really you can get a lemon with anything in life although some sleds do have more problems than others. ie 05 900 fusion. But it would be nice to get a sled new that you wouldn't have to get 100 updates just to make it good. Who wants to spend time in the shop even if it's under warranty.

I have a great 700 non RER set up to use. if you have the rer, Goodwins set up I suggest for the 700. the head needs cut to maintain compression with cudneys pistons. I run the doo parts and have had good luck in doing so. buddy here bought an f6 last year so we'll see soon.

I was just talking to my local dealer, and he claimed that he could get me a good gain mid to top end with just modifying the clutch, in stock form, no new parts.

Have any of you had any big gains mid to top end by modifying the stock clutch or is he telling me a bunch of bull to get my money,

I was just talking to my local dealer, and he claimed that he could get me a good gain mid to top end with just modifying the clutch, in stock form, no new parts.

Have any of you had any big gains mid to top end by modifying the stock clutch or is he telling me a bunch of bull to get my money,
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I'm curious how he plans to mod the clutching. You can make decent gains by just using off the shelf Doo springs and helix's and a set of adjustable pins. It all comes down to time to test and change set ups and have a proper way to evalute each run etc. Just seat of the pants feelings don't mean much.

I think I may do it, I think i'll need all of the top end I can get. The dealer seems that he knows what he is doing so it all good.

the goodwin setup is faster than using the doo ramps and springs. I have tried about every setup you could imagine on the 700 non rer zx.

Well I had her out today, got about 108- 109 mph on the speedo, not sure how fast real world but goin pretty good,
Dooman will the godwin set up stick with crossfire 700? I am in need of slightly harder pull from 70 + mph.

the goodwin setup is faster than using the doo ramps and springs. I have tried about every setup you could imagine on the 700 non rer zx.
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There is your answer. The Goodwin setup rocks! I know, I have seen his sled run. It is fast. :D

Well I had her out today, got about 108- 109 mph on the speedo, not sure how fast real world but goin pretty good,
Dooman will the godwin set up stick with crossfire 700? I am in need of slightly harder pull from 70 + mph.
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good question. have not ran a crossfire. I have tried many times to run a buddys f7 with black magic clutching(junk) and he declines everytime. I think however the f6 (d+d clutched) that is around now is faster than it anyhow. I know he will run we just could not see the other night it was snowing, blowing so bad.

good question. have not ran a crossfire. I have tried many times to run a buddys f7 with black magic clutching(junk) and he declines everytime. I think however the f6 (d+d clutched) that is around now is faster than it anyhow. I know he will run we just could not see the other night it was snowing, blowing so bad.
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Barry, you will need to look over your shoulder to try and find him. A F6 will never run with your 700 doo. If he does, he is more than a 600, probably more like an F8. Go get him. :D

Doo you think goodwins will out doo cudneys?

P.s keep us posted on the f-7.

might want to contact dynamo joe :) i bet his 800 kit would work on a 700.......

Doo you think goodwins will out doo cudneys?

P.s keep us posted on the f-7.
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I have tested both kits in 2000. I had a 2000 MXZ, without a doubt, for trail riding and the drag races, in my personal sled it was Goodwin all the way. :D

Barry, you will need to look over your shoulder to try and find him. A F6 will never run with your 700 doo. If he does, he is more than a 600, probably more like an F8. Go get him. :D
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Not true. With all the F6's I have seen and riden they will and do give fits to most other 700's. Only exception is the F7. The F6 is light and the skid is imo a way better skid for drag racing then the SC-10. There is and always will be exceptions to the rule as well. I would say for the most part the F6 will be right there or faster but there is always the few that are better at setting up there sleds than others.

Have you ever raced a f-6, I hope to pull him off the line and stay there,

If I don't I bet he will eat me up top end.

FWIW i just beat a 2000 mxz 700 with my 02 600. the 700 was all stock and mine has a dynamo joe clutch kit and is dialed in pretty well. i pulled from him around 20mph by 2 sleds and was 2or 3 sleds up by 80.....:) its all about the set up :) make sure your 700 is dialed in ;)

tell your bud with the 700 to get with me I will give a set up to give him the 4-5 sleds(in 900feet) he needs to be in front of you :) , ohhh yeah.

Not true. With all the F6's I have seen and riden they will and do give fits to most other 700's. Only exception is the F7. The F6 is light and the skid is imo a way better skid for drag racing then the SC-10. There is and always will be exceptions to the rule as well. I would say for the most part the F6 will be right there or faster but there is always the few that are better at setting up there sleds than others.
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Well, let's see, I spend a lot of time drag racing here in Michigan. When you say and I quote: Not true, what are you saying? I have yet to see an F7, or F6 that is faster than an MXZ 700 that has the clutching in it as stated. The MXZ 2000 700 has the SC10II skid not the SC-10 that you state. Bring that F6 or F7 to Michigan and we will show you what the Ski-Doo 700 can do. Let's line em up and walk the walk, not talk the talk. Bring it on! :D

When you say and I quote: Not true, what are you saying? I have yet to see an F7, or F6 that is faster than an MXZ 700 that has the clutching in it as stated. The MXZ 2000 700 has the SC10II skid not the SC-10 that you state. Bring that F6 or F7 to Michigan and we will show you what the Ski-Doo 700 can do. Let's line em up and walk the walk, not talk the talk. Bring it on! :D
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When i say not true it means don't count your chickens before the hatch. You're only the fastest till the next race. And in actual organized drags anything can happen in 500' or even 660'. On my part I have yet to see any MX Z 700 out run a well set up F7. The Fire Cat is lighter and has 12-14 more ponies. Even at the drags here the 700 class is dominated by F7's. There are lots of F6's out there that will run really really close to a well set up F7 as well. Hey the MX Z 700 is still a fast sled. But lets face it F7's can and do run away from many 800's. Maybe you just have a magical one. There's also a heck of a lot of good tuners here. But to be honest they gave up on the 700 and focused on the 600H.O.'s and 800H.O.'s.
As for the skid I was not refering to a specific model of the SC 10 just the SC 10 in general. Regardless of the model. I've played around and set up many different SC 10 suspensions ( be they SC 10 I,II,III, and now IV ) and the same with the Fire Cat rear suspension. To me it is a better skid for drag racing.
Walk the walk, not talk the talk ? ...Big Talker...Betty Crocker. Show up here with the MX Z 700 if it's bothering you so much. I'm just telling it like I see it.

When i say not true it means don't count your chickens before the hatch. You're only the fastest till the next race. And in actual organized drags anything can happen in 500' or even 660'. On my part I have yet to see any MX Z 700 out run a well set up F7. The Fire Cat is lighter and has 12-14 more ponies. Even at the drags here the 700 class is dominated by F7's. There are lots of F6's out there that will run really really close to a well set up F7 as well. Hey the MX Z 700 is still a fast sled. But lets face it F7's can and do run away from many 800's. Maybe you just have a magical one. There's also a heck of a lot of good tuners here. But to be honest they gave up on the 700 and focused on the 600H.O.'s and 800H.O.'s.
As for the skid I was not refering to a specific model of the SC 10 just the SC 10 in general. Regardless of the model. I've played around and set up many different SC 10 suspensions ( be they SC 10 I,II,III, and now IV ) and the same with the Fire Cat rear suspension. To me it is a better skid for drag racing.
Walk the walk, not talk the talk ? ...Big Talker...Betty Crocker. Show up here with the MX Z 700 if it's bothering you so much. I'm just telling it like I see it.
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I think we are all talking about trail sleds here. If you want to get into a debate about who is going to win at the track, it comes down to race teams and drivers and the team that best gets away with pushing the rules to the limits.

Now if it's about trail sleds that can run in the trails all day w/o a burndown because of the race chip, then I too want to see that F7 come to Michigan and run with some of the Doo 700's that I ride with.

So let's all just part friends here and walk the walk and leave the trash talking off the table until the race, okay?

When you set a date, be sure to let me know. I want to be there. :thumbsup:

tell your bud with the 700 to get with me I will give a set up to give him the 4-5 sleds(in 900feet) he needs to be in front of you :) , ohhh yeah.
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nope! :hallo1:

All I really want to do is mod the clutch some how to get more mid - top end on this motor as I feel It has more potential the it does now, stock.

It has great bottom end, but I want to just make a mod to my clutch, to make my 700 run like it should, as most sled stock are set up safe rather than strong.

I think we are all talking about trail sleds here. If you want to get into a debate about who is going to win at the track, it comes down to race teams and drivers and the team that best gets away with pushing the rules to the limits.

Now if it's about trail sleds that can run in the trails all day w/o a burndown because of the race chip, then I too want to see that F7 come to Michigan and run with some of the Doo 700's that I ride with.

So let's all just part friends here and walk the walk and leave the trash talking off the table until the race, okay?

When you set a date, be sure to let me know. I want to be there. :thumbsup:
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Keith, I agree totally. We know what runs good here in Michigan. Yes, I was talking trail sleds, EFI chipped firecats that have a 600 foot maximum before boom boom.

well this good tuner still rides a 700. this coming week I will be in michigan with an f-7 and a f-6. the 7 black magic clutching and efi mods, the 6 had d+d clutching. we will see. idooski can start us :thumbsup: . anyone need directions? as for the topic yes the 4-5 sleds is just clutching and jetting correctly the sled. another sled is had gearing it down and it still will crack 110mph on the speedo which is like 106mph on the gps in 1200 feet. I prefer the trails to the lake so topend is not my ballgame. p.s. I forgot the 6 will be sporting a can after x-mas.

well this good tuner still rides a 700. this coming week I will be in michigan with an f-7 and a f-6. the 7 black magic clutching and efi mods, the 6 had d+d clutching. we will see. idooski can start us :thumbsup: . anyone need directions? as for the topic yes the 4-5 sleds is just clutching and jetting correctly the sled. another sled is had gearing it down and it still will crack 110mph on the speedo which is like 106mph on the gps in 1200 feet. I prefer the trails to the lake so topend is not my ballgame. p.s. I forgot the 6 will be sporting a can after x-mas.
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Barry, sounds like fun! What day are they going to be there, I might just need a mental health day from work that day. :D

Hell I thought the original question was about the f-6 beating the mxz700 not the f-7. You guys have to video tape this racing if it ever comes about so that we can see these STOCK f-6 sleds beating the mxz700, dont think so cause I have raced them and won. Thing that sucks around here is the new 55mph laws that apply to the lakes also. So don't know how the weekend racing on the lake will go this year. A buddy just told me that two of his friends just got tickets yesterday for speeding on the lake near Tug Hill NY. Like the idea on the trails for the limit but the lake is another thing. Alot of people like to goof around and race for fun on the lakes but this season may be a dud!!!

Dave ,heading up monday morning. cats leaving for sure wen. I may stay till sat not sure .

dooman , what jeting do you run safey on this 700 motor, I belive I have 510 right now. are 490's safe till -30/ -40?

I may be considering a cudney clutch as top end falls of on this motor. Will goodwins for sure be better? thanks

I have the round slides. I dropped 2 numbers on the 700's stock otherwise. richened up the idle when I went to boyesson reeds. I like the goodwin clutching. and to date have not found a quicker set-up on a stock motor/piped 700. now we did not have a chance to topend the sleds this week . I did however have the f7 by 3 sleds in 500 feet. I guess it could blow by me though :confused: , I doubt it though. the 6 never tried me. I am running a year old drive belt he was on a fresh one . :whistling:

I have the round slides. I dropped 2 numbers on the 700's stock otherwise. richened up the idle when I went to boyesson reeds. I like the goodwin clutching. and to date have not found a quicker set-up on a stock motor/piped 700. now we did not have a chance to topend the sleds this week . I did however have the f7 by 3 sleds in 500 feet. I guess it could blow by me though :confused: , I doubt it though. the 6 never tried me. I am running a year old drive belt he was on a fresh one . :whistling:
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WOW! gals to hear about an f7 getting whooped on :) is your sled all stock other then the clutch and reeds??

motor/pipe stock. reeds,clutching and tuning thats it. when we had the crankshops twins on another sled it had 9 more hp. we had it running with-in 1/2 sled of my 700 with a rider that is 55lbs heavier. I rode the f-7 and it was real rich only seeing about 1050 on the egt's.

motor/pipe stock. reeds,clutching and tuning thats it. when we had the crankshops twins on another sled it had 9 more hp. we had it running with-in 1/2 sled of my 700 with a rider that is 55lbs heavier. I rode the f-7 and it was real rich only seeing about 1050 on the egt's.
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Thanks for the post Barry. Sorry I missed you at Keith's. Oh, I guess you "walked the walk" just like I knew you would. :D

I am inpressed on how some liitle tweaks wake up a sled, I will mabey but reed spacer and a clutch kit, that will prolly do it good!!

save your money on the spacers. jet it and clutch it. I run a 44 bottom not the factory 43 gear. about half the change of dropping one up top, and no chain change. Dave , I was riding, not driving. the driver took us to Paradise not Irons. after they lean the efi down on the cat I am going to see the back of it I bet. we'll see.

save your money one the spacers. jet it and clutch it. I run a 44 bottom not the factory 43 gear. about half the change of dropping one up top, and no chain change. Dave , I was riding, not driving. the driver took us to Paradise not Irons. after they lean the efi down on the cat I am going to see the back of it I bet. we'll see.
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You should have just stopped in Irons. I put on nearly 400 miles for the week. We even rode yesterday for about 3 hours. Let the driver know will ya? :D

I had my 700 out this last snowfall, I think it is a great sled, It has good bottom end, but top end falls off at 95, "I think I may handle a f6, bottom end but top end will be similar, I also think stock jetting is too rich.
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I have a 99 MXZ 600 and I've had the speedo reading 160 kms/hr (100mph) on packed snow racing down Falcon Lake In Manitoba. Your 700 should be a tad faster no?

Still waiting to finish "breaking in" my new mxz 800 adrenaline. ANy ideas about top speed on this thing? NO... I had this nick long before i bought the new sled :)

no, mine will do 110 mph on the speedo , it just takes a while after 95 mph.

Talked to mr. cudney, he figures his kit will gain 3-5 sleds in 1/8 of a mile, which is respectable, havn't heard from goodwin at all on what they gain.

4-5 sleds in around 800 feet or so.

no, mine will do 110 mph on the speedo , it just takes a while after 95 mph.

Talked to mr. cudney, he figures his kit will gain 3-5 sleds in 1/8 of a mile, which is respectable, havn't heard from goodwin at all on what they gain.
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I think you need to re-read this entire post. The answer is there, just read it. :D

Well I finally got out racing and I was very suprised with my results.

I raced a crossfire 700 and a f-6, all of us were stock studded.

The crossfire pulled me off the line and the f-6 was right beside me, mid range the crossfire and I were dead even, and we stayed there till top end. The f-6 did very well but it fell behind after 75 mph.

We raced a 20 acher field 0- 90 mph, and we did this 6-8 times all the same result.

So there are my results and I did better then people said, and the f-6 did far well but I was too strong, pulled him mid to top end, which I should of cause I got more power.
( buddy with the crossfire was Pi$$ED, he thought he would smoke me bottom to top!!! lol)

the the f6 was next to you till 70MPH, that is pretty fast for a 600, i figured the 700 would beat it on top....i would think the crossfire 700 would be a little faster, maybe from 95 mph and up it would pull ahead, although the crossfire is pretty heavy too.....congrats! now put a clutch kit in and you'll be beating 800's :)

Ya I figured that since the crossfire had lots of extra track to turn, mabey an f-7 would take me (shorter track) but it wouldn't be by much if anything, my mxz and crossfire were WFO and we didn't have anything on each other.