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PowderBoy
12-20-2005, 03:27 AM
WOW!!!!! i rode one of these bad a$$ machines this weekend and it was one of th emost impressive machines i have ever ridden. it gave me goose bumps like the day i discovered my 800 triple. i cooked 96 down a fairly bumpy trail and the machine definetly had more. if i didnt have to change my boots, helmet, jacket, pants, and gloves i would buyone.. man i cant imagine what this sled would be like with a turbo!!!! just thought you yamaha guys and gals would want my w00t opinion

Mighty RX-1
12-20-2005, 09:20 AM
I see new gear in your future after you see the 07's :D

CORY9
12-20-2005, 09:31 AM
Amazing how many people are saying that, sounds like Yammi hit a homerun, nice to see! :christmas:
I know the price is competeitive, but it's still a little high. If they could get it down I'm sure their sales would skyrocket.

PowderBoy
12-20-2005, 10:41 AM
when you look at it you might as well buy the top of the line apex with all the nice suspension adjustments. i think that machine was like $10,500. the suspension was very impressive and seemed to handle some decent bumps fairly nice. i know the machine is heavy but you definetly dont feel it. they have found a way to distribute the weight mor freely. biggest downfall of the apex? its not green hahaha. i think overall its am impressive machine but i do not find it the most attractive. i almost wish they modeled it closer to the old srx.

Mighty RX-1
12-20-2005, 01:12 PM
You can pick up an Apex in the mid 8's with all taxes and fee's included. Yes the base Apex comes with the slick remote adjuster on the side of the tunnel for the rear suspension. If you factor in that you also get Reverse, Electric Start and 150 Fuel injected horses that's a hell of a lotta sled for the price :D

PowderBoy
12-21-2005, 03:59 PM
i dont think my dealer was willing to budge much on the price. a guy I ride with tried to get one this week but was told theres a 2 month waiting list!!!??? i told him to try another dealer. theres no doubt though that this dealers in one of the largest yamaha dealers in the country. if he really has a waiting list then theres no reason for him to ask much less the msrp.

Mighty RX-1
12-21-2005, 10:40 PM
a guy I ride with tried to get one this week but was told theres a 2 month waiting list!!!??? i [/b]
That dealer is full of $hit. Find another dealer, there isn't a waiting list.

PowderBoy
12-22-2005, 06:39 AM
im sure someone has one. i dont know why this dealer would say that... unless hes pulling the old i have one for more $$$ if you really want it

NewfieBullet
12-22-2005, 07:17 AM
You can pick up an Apex in the mid 8's with all taxes and fee's included. Yes the base Apex comes with the slick remote adjuster on the side of the tunnel for the rear suspension. If you factor in that you also get Reverse, Electric Start and 150 Fuel injected horses that's a hell of a lotta sled for the price :D
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No matter how you cut it, it's alot of money for that sled. As for the reverse, nobody but Cat would dare try and sell a top of the line sled without reverse, so that should be considered standard equipment these days. If I'm shopping for a truck I don't get excited because they're throwing in a reverse gear.

That said, if you compare the price to a Yamaha outboard, it's like buying the motor and getting the rest of the sled for free. WHen you look at it that way it's a helluva deal.

What I'd really want though is a Nytro with a 136. I'm not a big fan of the skid under the Apex.

Mighty RX-1
12-22-2005, 03:07 PM
I stand corrected; it may depend on where you are but a buddy in MN has called several dealers around him looking for an Apex and can't find one.

twomorestrokes
12-23-2005, 07:48 PM
Man, who pays suggested retail prices anymore? If your dealer won't budge, it may be worth a couple hour drive for a couple grand....

Zog
12-24-2005, 05:00 PM
If we had any snow here, I'd certainly be looking at a new Apex. Not much point this winter, though.

RED800
12-25-2005, 01:45 PM
where are u gonna get a apex for mid 8's with tax and fee's incl..that means ur paying high 7's low 8's,i paid 9700,w/o tax for RTX,my county sales tax is 9.5% :bash:

Mighty RX-1
12-27-2005, 01:36 PM
where are u gonna get a apex for mid 8's with tax and fee's incl..that means ur paying high 7's low 8's,i paid 9700,w/o tax for RTX,my county sales tax is 9.5% :bash:
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Hopefully your dealer threw in some goodies for you RED, RTX's here in Michigan could be spring ordered for $9,100 out the door. RTX's with Reverse for $9,400 out the door. Apex er's for $8,640.00 out the door.
Whe I say out the door I mean including everything. Tax, prep freight etc. In other words, if you had to write a check on the spot it would be for the amount I listed.

mnovarossi
12-27-2005, 04:39 PM
Wow, those prices sound really good. I paid $8100 OTD for my Nytro.

CORY9
12-27-2005, 07:40 PM
Hopefully your dealer threw in some goodies for you RED, RTX's here in Michigan could be spring ordered for $9,100 out the door. RTX's with Reverse for $9,400 out the door. Apex er's for $8,640.00 out the door.
Whe I say out the door I mean including everything. Tax, prep freight etc. In other words, if you had to write a check on the spot it would be for the amount I listed.
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Even with the difference in the dollar something doesn't add up. The price list I received from the local dealer less than a month ago reads as follows:

(All dollars in cdn)

APEX RTX; List 13,799, selling price including PDI & freight $13,382 plus 15% tax = $15389

APEX RTX ER; List 14,299, selling price including freight & PDI $13854 plus tax =$15621.60

NYTRO ER; List 12,599, selling price including freight & PDI $12,248 plus tax=$14085.20

What's the present difference in currency, 20%??????????

What am I missing here? There is no way I could convince my wife that the extra coin was justified in good concience. Too bad, wanted a Apex :dazed:

twomorestrokes
12-28-2005, 08:51 AM
where are u gonna get a apex for mid 8's with tax and fee's incl..that means ur paying high 7's low 8's,i paid 9700,w/o tax for RTX,my county sales tax is 9.5% :bash:
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I sat on an Apex RTX at my dealer (Nelson's Speed Shop) a couple months ago and the tag was mid 8's. I don't recall the exact figure, but I'm always amazed at how far under MSRP they sell. Of course this won't help you in New York, but you asked. I've seen prices vary by thousands of dollars state to state. Too bad. I paid 6,800 for my '05 last year.

CORY9
12-28-2005, 11:22 AM
I sat on an Apex RTX at my dealer (Nelson's Speed Shop) a couple months ago and the tag was mid 8's. I don't recall the exact figure, but I'm always amazed at how far under MSRP they sell. Of course this won't help you in New York, but you asked. I've seen prices vary by thousands of dollars state to state. Too bad. I paid 6,800 for my '05 last year.
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$6800 for a Vector???? What the heck gives???

06 Vector ER; List price $12,099, sell for $11,776 including freight & PDI, add tax= $13,542

Thats no cover, no spare belt or plugs.

Are we getting rail up here in the great white north?? :bash:

Are we that much further away from Japan :lol:

Someone enlighten me :dazed:

twomorestrokes
12-28-2005, 11:33 AM
$6800 for a Vector???? What the heck gives???

06 Vector ER; List price $12,099, sell for $11,776 including freight & PDI, add tax= $13,542

Thats no cover, no spare belt or plugs.

Are we getting rail up here in the great white north?? :bash:

Are we that much further away from Japan :lol:

Someone enlighten me :dazed:
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Of course that figure is U.S. and Canadian funds are quite a bit more. I always buy from there since 1999. I bought my '98 elsewhere and was shocked at all of the hidden fees. I bought my wife's '99 Phaser 500 there when they were still hard to find and I paid 3,900 for that! I guess I've just been spoiled by their low prices because I am only an hour and a half away. Worth the drive for me, but I realize that folks in other areas may not have the same benefit of a dealer like this.

Mighty RX-1
12-28-2005, 02:39 PM
Cory9, Earlier this year there was a big to do on TotallyYamaha about how much more sleds were in Canada and many were coming to the states to buy.
2morestrokes, Nelson's is where I was quoating the prices from.

twomorestrokes
12-28-2005, 02:51 PM
2morestrokes, Nelson's is where I was quoating the prices from.
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I thought they sounded good! :) Is that where you got your Attak?

CORY9
12-28-2005, 03:21 PM
Cory9, Earlier this year there was a big to do on TotallyYamaha about how much more sleds were in Canada and many were coming to the states to buy.
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There has to be something I'm missing here :dazed:

Yes, as I stated, I am quoting Canadian funds vs US, so what's the currency exchange, 20%??? That's not even in the ballpark, we are looking at 50-60% increase (or more) in what's available up here. :(

Yammi will have a tough time increaing it's market share in Canada with this going on.

Mighty RX-1
12-28-2005, 03:48 PM
2more, I got mine at US-27 Motorsports, I knew the previous owner Tom pretty well.
Cory9, Like I said there was a big ta do on TY about this. No one could explain why but there were substantial savings coming to the us to buy. Seems to me guys were saving like 2 grand coming here. I remember when it was cheaper to go to Canada to buy and was tempted myself to do so when I rode Doo.

twomorestrokes
12-28-2005, 04:00 PM
I knew that you know Tom quite well Mighty. Just wondered if you stayed with the same location after it switched hands.

As far as the price difference goes, I've seen Canadian purchased sleds for sale on the TY site because they found out how much less they can buy them for in the states. Strange.

Mighty RX-1
12-28-2005, 05:39 PM
I knew that you know Tom quite well Mighty. Just wondered if you stayed with the same location after it switched hands.


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Tom was still owner when I ordered, new owner when I took delivery. Last sled I will buy from that Location..........................

doo rider
12-28-2005, 07:59 PM
Dealers in the US pay different prices for the sleds depending on how many they order and sell. (ie. a dealer that orders 200 sleds will pay less for them than a dealer that orders 50 sleds.) That is why the big difference in prices in the US. In canada all dealers pay pretty much the same amount, regardless of how many you order.

Competition in selling sleds in Canada is really about service and discounts on accessories and stuff to customize, because there really might only be a couple hundred difference in the prices of dealers up here.

We do get hosed on the prices here in Canada thats for sure

Do the Doo
12-28-2005, 09:59 PM
Anyone reading this from New England?? I am curious on the pricing here. I know New England ALWAYS runs higher $$ compared to the Great Lakes, Mid West pricing.

Doo

JonnyMXZx
12-29-2005, 10:47 PM
Couple Apex's left in Central MN at Brothers Motorsports 218-829-6656
No I dont work their I just buy all my stuff their!!

snowrash
12-30-2005, 04:01 PM
I can't believe the price diff from $US to $CDN. Even at $9000 US before tax with say %20 exchange CDN is $10800 thats at least $4000 CDN before tax and I believe our rate is closer to 18%.
$4000 can buy me a second back up sled!
I may just have to go to the U.S for my next sled.
Now a question. If my family member in the U.S brings a brand new sled over here, is there any way to get around delcaring it as a new purchase? i believe there may be some issues with bringing a new machine over the boreder.

CORY9
12-30-2005, 05:12 PM
Good question, would sure save some serious coin!!!

Wonder if the warranty would still be honoured?

Lets see, which distant cousin in the States should I call and say hi to?????

Homer2002
12-31-2005, 08:22 AM
I am certainly going to look into buying my next Yamaha (or Ski-Doo) from the US. The warranty is the only issue I can see being a problem, although I've never had a single breakdown on the two new Yamaha's I purchased in the last four years. I live in a border town so maybe I would be able to take it to a local dealer in the US for any warranty work. The only extra cost other than the currency exchange is a $209 RIV fee. So I could save a couple thousand dollars by buying in the US. Some of the prices that guys quoted from Ontario are crazy. There are acouple dealers in my area that sell for $1000-$1500 below list. They should be calling around and maybe driving 2 or 3 hours.

RED800
12-31-2005, 01:42 PM
im in ny(oneida county)9.5% sales tax,my rtx was 9700.00...tax and everything was 10,700.....and thats a good deal....GT'S around are going for 10,500w/out tax..my bro's attack was cheaper than my apex he paid $9600.00 w/out tax...going prices in ny

daveh
12-31-2005, 04:54 PM
9200 for an Apex ER in NH.

Do the Doo
01-01-2006, 10:42 PM
DaveH, Where in NH? Is it a multi brand dealer? Meaning he sells ski-doo, polaris etc. I want to be able to trade my sleds in to a dealer that knows Ski-doos as well as Yamahas.

rvanderklok
01-03-2006, 08:03 AM
Dealerships all pay the same price for the machines (even after exchage rate, it works out to be the same. ie. if US dealer pays $5000 US, then Canadian Dealer pays $6000 depending on the exchange rate). The markup PERCENTAGE is the same ie. both dealers mark up the sled say.......30 points. Where us Canadians get RAPED is with the gov't's VEHICLE TAXES plus the Federal and Provincial taxes. I know a guy who just bought a brand new ATV in the US (he has dual citizenship) and he saved himself almost $4000. Because of his dual citizenship, he was basically able to say that he was just bringing his bike home, and that eliminated Canada's Taxes, and duties.

arcticcat580
01-03-2006, 04:30 PM
Dealerships all pay the same price for the machines (even after exchage rate, it works out to be the same. ie. if US dealer pays $5000 US, then Canadian Dealer pays $6000 depending on the exchange rate). The markup PERCENTAGE is the same ie. both dealers mark up the sled say.......30 points. Where us Canadians get RAPED is with the gov't's VEHICLE TAXES plus the Federal and Provincial taxes. I know a guy who just bought a brand new ATV in the US (he has dual citizenship) and he saved himself almost $4000. Because of his dual citizenship, he was basically able to say that he was just bringing his bike home, and that eliminated Canada's Taxes, and duties.
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now that's one hell of a way to go.
lol, you could make a boatload selling sleds in canada with dual citizenship

CORY9
01-03-2006, 07:22 PM
Dealerships all pay the same price for the machines (even after exchage rate, it works out to be the same. ie. if US dealer pays $5000 US, then Canadian Dealer pays $6000 depending on the exchange rate). The markup PERCENTAGE is the same ie. both dealers mark up the sled say.......30 points.
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Not a chance do US and Canadian dealers pay the same price. Are you trying to tell me the Canadian dealer listing sleds at $14,000 BEFORE taxes pay the same as the US dealer sending sleds out the door taxes in for $9500?

The exchange rate is less than 20%

Dealers do not make 30% mark-up.

If your theory is correct then the Canadian Yammi dealers are very, very rich.

twomorestrokes
01-04-2006, 08:48 AM
The markup PERCENTAGE is the same ie. both dealers mark up the sled say.......30 points. [/b]

There is no set markup percentage in the US. Just depends on how many sleds they want to sell. Some dealers go for low volume/ high profit margin, others go for the high volume and repeat customers, just like car dealers. I prefer the second choice. I work within 1/2 mile of a large multi-brand dealer, and there are a couple more right in the same town. I drive an hour and a half to my regular dealer, but I typically save at least $1,500 per sled. That covers the extra fuel cost for the trip I'd say. :)

However, I realize that many folks don't have the pleasure of having dealers that are willing to compete that are within driving distance.

FreezerBurnt
01-04-2006, 05:17 PM
$1ca = 0.85us

Canadians are getting hosed big time and it has nothing to do with Taxes

Those prices above are before taxes

If you live near the border its time to shop in the States

remember a 3yrs ago $1ca = $0.64

And manufactures are still basing stuff on that type of $$$$ diference

back then it was cheaper for Americans to come up here but now the table has turned the other way

doo rider
01-04-2006, 07:43 PM
Dealerships all pay the same price for the machines (even after exchage rate, it works out to be the same. ie. if US dealer pays $5000 US, then Canadian Dealer pays $6000 depending on the exchange rate). The markup PERCENTAGE is the same ie. both dealers mark up the sled say.......30 points. Where us Canadians get RAPED is with the gov't's VEHICLE TAXES plus the Federal and Provincial taxes.[/b]


I have a hard time believing that......there is too much difference in the cost of the sleds.

I know for a fact that there is not that much markup on some of the sleds. How do you explain the difference in price on some of the dealers in the states.....a couple thousand difference in some cases and its all US$$........Go to 3 different dealers here in ontario, and I bet you will find that there is maybe $500-600 difference.

Different marketing rules and pricing for the US.

comparison. my sled GSX in the US is listed at $9149, here in ontario its $12049. $2900 difference. compare at 20 cents on the dollar and its still only $11000. Where is the extra $$ going???

That has nothing to do with the taxes or environmental charges or anything else.


YES WE ARE GETTING HOSED FOR PRICING HERE IN CANADA

rob7374
01-09-2006, 12:15 PM
Getting back to the original point to this topic. I took a new Apex ER for a cruise the other day as well. I went to the dealer to see what akll the hype was about. He loaned me one for a few hours. Tried it in the ditch as well as flat groomed trails and down the river. The seating position was better than the RX 1 it replaces but not as comfortable as my REV imo. I liked the exaust sound. Very cool. Played with the suspension some getting it set up for me and I had it handling pretty decent. I could feel the extra bulk compared to my REV and the sled seemed bulky to me from behind the controls. Again this was compared to my REV. Did it feel like a tank...no. One thing I did hate was the handle bars. It fewlt like I was riding a tricycle. They just seemd way too narrow. That I did not like. Not sure how far out, if any, the speedo is but I had it showing 121 mph down the river. Very smooth power delivery. It reminded me of the F7's. Unless you are racing against someone you really don't know just how fast you are going or how fast the machine is. Did not like the engine breaking either. I prefer to have the sled coast freely when I let off the gas. Just my $.02