IndySKS, did you hear at the AGM if the OFSC is keeping the publishing group that puts out the current OSM as the official magazine?

You guys that are from Ontario what are your thoughts on this? Do you think Terry Kehoe saw the writing on the wall & bailed?

I thought that his son was the new chief in that department http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif The fact that our less than stellar government
has more to do with the ofsc has me worried.Time will tell i
guess.

The Ontario snowmobiler mag is a joke! What really burns me is that $10.00 from every trail permit sold goes to support this mag! I,m sure that the 10 bucks could be put to better use!
Thats my 2 cent's.

I agree with you on that mr670.I'de rather have my $10 go right to my club cause they are the ones that need it.We'll
have to wait and get indysks's post on this matter.

I disagree, I enjoy the OSM magazine. *For $10.00, the maps alone are worth it.

I don't think you will see things change.

FishHog

I think OSM is a good magazine, especially if you like touring or sledding in different areas around the province. It is not a great technical mag or for reviews but it has it's place. I just worry now that they are no longer affiliated with supertrax that the quality will go down.

I like OSM for the maps too Fishhog, and I hate to tell you guys that Terry Kehoe is no longer with Super Traxx mag either http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif

My opinion is that alot of their product testing is "fluff" but the map atlas more than makes up for it. Besides, w/o the mag, what would we read when we're not on Snowmobile World? http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

You guy's would actually try to go on a snowmobile tour, to a unknow area with the osfc map atlas as you only guide. I would be afraid to get lost in a fold or stuck on a staple. I find them almost unreadable and very out dated, they show trails that have been closed for over 2 years.

Also, try to tell the OFSC that http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif I know of trails east of Apsley that haven't been run on in 15 years. http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sleepy.gif

i kind of like something else to read on the water powered throne at 6:00 am, so i like getting the magazine.

i have to say that kehoe is good but some of the actual test reports are,,, well,,, could be better, some of the lingo is crap.
when they write things like squeezing the kevlar or squishing the flipper that sounds crap.

Paul, you're getting old & cranky *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

revrnd,
*thanks for the reminder. *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

I take it that you won't be buying that new sled magazine that they were talking about. Lots of freestyle stuff supposedly. I forget the name.

I agree with paul on it being decent bathroom reading material,
a few have even found there way to the outhouse http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif Just not enough info and content in there for my bathroom reading
needs http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif *http://www.snowmobileworld-s2.com/forums/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif

Sorry for the delay in responding but things have been real busy here lately

Yes Ontario Snowmobiler magizine will comtinue to be affiliated with the OFSC. Terry may be gone as Editor but his son is taking over the duties. Ontario Snowmobiler and Super Tracks are no longer affiliated ( so I was told ) Super tracks will not be hosting the show in Toronto this fall either. It is now Sponsered by Ontario Snowmobiler . As LadyK said Terry is no longer with Supertracks as well , when he spoke at the AGM last week he said he was moving on to other interests.

mr670 : Actually it is only $5.00 from each permit that goes to the magazine ( sounds a bit extreme to me) . On the back of your permit ( everyone has read that ...right ??) # 7 states :
I understand that my OFSC benifits include a subscription to a snowmobile magazine for the 2003/2004 season. I further understand that I may request a refund of the $5.00 subsciption fee or may have the fee aplied to the OFSC Trail Fund or OFSC Enviroment Fund or the OFSC Administration Fund by contacting the OFSC office above.
As for the quality of the material printed , it is kind of informative but I wouldn't run out and by a sled because someone wrote an article in a magazine and said it was a what I should buy.

As for the maps , yes they are out dated wiith a lot of missing trails and trails that no longer exist . It is the resposibility of the local Clubs or Associations to send them updated maps on a yearly basis. I sent ours in this past summer and will be watching to see if the changes are made.
I am asuming that the clubs are not doing this or the magazine is not making the changes.
There is good news in the works though, currently the OFSC is requesting maps of all trails in the Province to compile a up to date data base that will be used to map trails on their new web site. Yes the OFSC site will some day soon have a complete and acurate map of all trails in this Province on their web site . They are also making an attempt to map all trails with a gps . I was told 11 Districts have got theirs done or have a good start on it. This gps mapping will also be used to create the OFSC web site map . All for a cool $280,000.00 of TSS money ( my opinion is it could have been better spent elsewhere ) Oh by the way the $280,000.00 is just for the web site we as club members are to ride and gps all trails for free !!

Thanks for the info IndySKS.

Its nice to hear an informed opinion. :thumbsup:

Thanks FishHog, I try to answer what I can , it seems to help keep everyone informed and a wee bit happier. :D

Indy good work! Now if you could get things settled down on that other site :D

I thank you for your time and insight indysks :)

This has nothing to do with Ontario Snowmobiler lmagazine but I thought you guys and gals might be interested in this :

Posted comment on another board :
FZed -- Thursday, 26 September 2002, at 12:32 a.m.
I watched the news just last week and it was announced that the Ontario Government just added some money into the trail system.

My responce is as follows :
FZed Yes the goverment of Ontario is pumping money into snowmobiling in Ontario . 15 million dollars over 5 years . I now this topic has been covered before but I will bring some of the new people up to date . Last fall the OFSC signed Bill 101 with The Province of Ontario making trail permits manditory. The goverment realizes how inport the snowmobile industry is to tourism ( especially in the north ) . Therefore they are giving ( yea right ) us money to inprove the trails and make them safer and to promote more tourism in Ontario . Sounds simple doesn't it ...Not . The program they use to apply this money is called the TSS program ( Trail Safety and Sustainability ) In order to get the money you have to follow a 40 page set of guide lines telling you exactly where the money can and can not be spent ( go figure the Goverment would come up with something like that ) They do not just hand us money every year and say here go spend it , it is separated into different periods where we get certain amounts of money. We have just finished the second period. Oh and to get the money you must spend the money, somethings they want unpaid bills for and other have to be already paid and then it is paid back to the Clubs , District or Assoc.
Last winter there was a large amount spent on desil feul for groomers. Based on the matrix system each District got a certian amount of money to divide into the district for feul. The feul program will also be carried on this winter as well the OFSC is looking at paying the insurance for all groomer in the province out of the TSS money . This will leave more money in the pockets of the clubs to use on the trails. A sign program is also in the works for this winter as well as for steel posts to hold stop and stop ahead signs . There are many other parts to the TSS program like Safety Research and Analyis , Safety Education and Promotion, Program Delivery, District Service Delivery, Operational Sustainability, Tourism Product Development , Map Based Web Page, Administration, And Risk Management. That was the programs that TSS money was spent on in the second period. The next period may have some different programs.
Well that should keep everyone entertained for a while ...
IndySKS

revrnd,
I seem to have changed the mind of the originator of the Thank you Dennis Burns post. I would call that a victory

:p

i seen where the government is throwing $2,000,000.00 this year and over the next 5 years for a total of $15,000,000.00, like indysks said. but it will cost tax payers $150,000,000.00 for the money to get there. :cussing:

Like we've all said this is a deal w/ the devil. But if the safety initiatives work & the numbers come down, maybe the insurance companies will look at us in a better light.

15 million may sound like a lot but over 5 years it is really just small potatoes. The paper work and meetings that are needed to deal with this just unimaginable. Remember this is spread across the whole province. The biggest problem is getting the clubs too relieant on this money as a welfare system. In 4 years TSS will ru out and we can't go crying back for more .....

Well not unless by then they have a new scam !!!

Again nothing to do with the magazine but some informative points I responded to elsewhere:

Yes some of the TSS money will go to help out needy clubs to buy Groomers and make trail and bridge improvements and most of that is in the North, but not all . In period 2 of TSS ( 1.9 million ) District 10 got a trail reroute worth $73,000. District 11 got a trail reroute worth $30,000. District 12 got a trail up grade worth $18,500 . District14 got a trail reroute worth $30,000. and district 16 got $45,000 to upgrade some condemed water crossings.
As for the more evenly distributed permit money that has nothing to do with the TSS money, it is all based on a very complicated matrix system developed by the OFSC . It all has to do with grooming and length of the season ect ect. Depending on your permits sales trail length and season length you recieve a certain amount of points , from there it is determined the cost of the permit to the club. Not all clubs in the Province pay the same for thier permits. Some pay in the $50. range and others are over $100 . This takes away from the rich clubs and puts the money back into the system where it can help out the poor clubs in the form of District Equalization payments. Some districts will be getting as much as $240,000. in District equalization payments . Many districts will be getting money in the $100,000 to $200,000 range, there are others that get nothing . This money will help pay for the short falls that each district have during the winter. As I said it is very complicated and this is just the tip of the iceberg so to speak

I got the latest Ontario Snowmobiler & our own LadyK is in it. "We're not worthy!" :D

we were waiting for that issue Rev, we havent seen it yet. We hooked up with the OSM guys at the watercross in Uxbridge this past spring. Still waiting on the pics from crazy B on that. Winterfreak is supposed to be in there too, something about brand loyalty ;)

Here are the pics.

I hope that second tattoo wasn't on LadyK.

If so, you might want to shave those legs ;)

Thats not my leg Fishie LOL good one tho. It is our very own Winterfreaks leg. I sent his pic in with mine after buddy asked me too at the watercross in Uxbridge. It was pretty funny actually. He saw me after racing and flipped over my tat, then went over to Permafrost and Crazy B and said you got to see this chick I just met with a bombi tat on her back. Crazy B tells him its Permafrosts wife. :hallo6:

Thats good to know, Honey.

You kinda had me scared there for awhile.

P.S. They really need to start paying you guys for advertising.

I wanted to get a set of leathers made up by Younkers in London back in the 80s. I wanted Ski-doo on the sleeves & legs. they said I would have to get permission from 'doo before they would do it. Ski-doo wouldn't give me permission.

What gives? Think of the free advertising I would have given them. That year the Racer leather styling sucked. I guess they wanted me to buy their leathers.

I never did buy leathers, but afterwards, I asked the guy at Steve's Leathers in Oshawa about putting brand names on. He said no problem as far as he was concerned. he said he had lots of guys that rode bikes & wanted the brand on their jacket.

I want to buy a bike so i can wear leather pants and not
look like a homo :0:

Originally posted by z800rtx@Oct 16 2002, 07:48 PM
I want to buy a bike so i can wear leather pants and not
look like a homo :0:
Some how, I don't think that's going to solve your problem buddy.

:inlove: FishHog

The goverment just must have realized that they were not fully cashing in on sledding so they decided to make things more efficent for them to collect the cash.

Even though there dumping cash in, you can bet there gonna take more.

Hopfully they will raise the speed limit to 70 or somthing. 50 is just way to slow for todays machines. If there going to start inforcing it, my Mach Z is going to have to school there Rev 800 Cop Package.

Can't believe it....me in a mag ( at least part of me. ) Hey guys the hairy leg thing is a lose lose situation. If it's a hairy leg I get picked on, if I would have shaved that part of my leg, them I would have got picked on even more. Sounds like to me there is just alot of jeaslous people *LOL*

:D

Special THX to Lady K!!

Can't wait till 500 posts now



Last edited by WINTERFREAK at Oct 20 2002, 01:15 PM

If ya shaved your leg fish hog may have questioned your manhood
as well :0: :p

BTW

FZed is me SWRules :D

Check out my profile there :D

FZed was my 1st handle on the net 3 yrs ago :hallo7: