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Jack Frost
10-30-2006, 07:06 PM
:unsure: Which can is best on a 01 700 XC/SP non-ves in an EDGE CHASSIS? :unsure:

michahicks
10-30-2006, 08:19 PM
The one that comes with it. It's free, and makes as much or more power than any of the others.

800MXZ
10-30-2006, 08:23 PM
As Michachick said. Stock is best.

Only advantage to a aftermarket silencer is weight, and one generally gives up on some bottom end power to get it. All for the great price of $200-300 bucks!

rolandoc
10-30-2006, 09:04 PM
i have the SPG (skinz protective gear) on my 05 700. sounds nice. not obnoxious though

TaxiCat
10-31-2006, 01:36 PM
As Michachick said. Stock is best.

Only advantage to a aftermarket silencer is weight, and one generally gives up on some bottom end power to get it. All for the great price of $200-300 bucks!
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And when the DNR decides to do a freindly check you can add another $200+ beans to that. So when it's all said and done you could simple take $500.00 and either burn it or give it to me. Of course you will still have that nice tire chock for your vehicle.

tifa_5_2000
10-31-2006, 02:38 PM
save money on the can and buy the slp single pipe without the can. that will be worth something.

02_600XCSP
11-06-2006, 09:50 PM
There is one really good reason to buy an aftermarket can. This is why: In my 02 600 XCSP the ball end of the exhaust pipe actually beat through the socket end of the stock can(only problem I've ever had) causing raw exhaust to be inhaled by the engine, obviously causing an extreme rich condition; solution, an SLP can for half the cost of a factory one.

Also, I'm not gonna argue with all of these guys but I noticed a difference in the performance. Like I said, I'm not arguing with these guys, maybe it's in my head, but I will argue the fact of the noise. It sounds totally different, in a really awesome way, but it is still not loud enough to cause problems with the DNR. It's not even so much that it's louder, it's a different tone, completely. Just thought I would share my experience. Any one else ever have or heard of that problem with the stock can?

smallcat_ak
11-06-2006, 11:42 PM
I personally dont think a DNR would hassle you much over a can. The can i like the best is the MBRP race can which still isnt all that loud but it is one of the louder cans. If you want one that sounds clean and isnt much louder id look into a snostuff rumble pack.

I dont think there is a best, if you want a little more sound without a power increase a can would be great. If you want power id look into a single pipe.

02_600XCSP
11-07-2006, 01:06 AM
When you guys say single pipe your referring to an aftermarket single pipe as opposed to an aftermarket dual pipe right?

michahicks
11-07-2006, 01:11 PM
<<<<There is one really good reason to buy an aftermarket can. This is why: In my 02 600 XCSP the ball end of the exhaust pipe actually beat through the socket end of the stock can(only problem I&#39;ve ever had) causing raw exhaust to be inhaled by the engine, obviously causing an extreme rich condition; solution, an SLP can for half the cost of a factory one.>>>>

1. Wearing out a socket is a maintenace issue - stock OR aftermarket. There are/were ways of preventing this from happening.
2. If you have (had?) your stock airbox system intact, you would be pulling 100% outside air into your engine - nothing from under the hood.
3. Used stock exhaust cans are not expensive, likely way less than half of a new aftermarket.

<<<Also, I&#39;m not gonna argue with all of these guys but I noticed a difference in the performance. Like I said, I&#39;m not arguing with these guys, maybe it&#39;s in my head, but I will argue the fact of the noise. It sounds totally different, in a really awesome way, but it is still not loud enough to cause problems with the DNR. It&#39;s not even so much that it&#39;s louder, it&#39;s a different tone, completely. Just thought I would share my experience. Any one else ever have or heard of that problem with the stock can?>>>

The only people that say cans make more power are the manufacturers. I&#39;ve not heard or read anything by anyone that can/will back those claims up on a dyno. If you want to justify spending the kind of money it takes to buy a can as a "weight savings", OK, fine. But I defy somebody that can tell me they can feel the difference in handling between 3/4 tank of gas, and a full one. This would be very comparable to the weight savings we would be talking about - at most. Some aren&#39;t even that much.

Run what you like, I&#39;m not here to condemn you for that, but at least be honest. You are runing one because you like the sound, period. Please don&#39;t try to justify it any other way. It&#39;s not likely there IS another way.

Jack Frost
11-07-2006, 04:45 PM
:dazed: Whoa....I just asked what can was better :crazy: I&#39;m not looking for extra power....just a little better sound !!! I heard electric golf carts that are louder than my sled :unsure: My wife likes the noise when she is ridding in front of me.... I had a V-max 4 until last January :( So I&#39;m just looking for a little tone w00t Everyone play nice :inlove:

02_600XCSP
11-07-2006, 10:43 PM
First off, I take excellent care of my sled. PERIOD. There where no springs broke or missing. That&#39;s fine if there was/were ways of preventing it, but I&#39;ve never heard or seen of anything like it. Also, it wasn&#39;t something that you could see was happening over time without removing the pipe, once it was weak enough, it broke. For get it man, you know all.

Don&#39;t tell people why they are running things either, Ya I like the sound, that&#39;s not why I bought it though. I was just trying to share an experience man, I&#39;m so sorry for ever writing anything. :cussing:

michahicks
11-08-2006, 07:45 AM
You guys have it wrong. I meant it when I said I don&#39;t care what you run.

What I do care about is the spread of bad information. I believe in the fact that bad information is worse than none. It takes time (and sometimes a lot of money) to figure out/experience the fact that the information you were given is wrong. Then you have to continue your search for the answer you were looking for to start.......

My post above was not written in anger. It was written explaining why I believed the post written previously was incorrect on many points - and coming from the standpoint there may be sombody coming along reading this later that may be influenced by this information.

02_600XCSP
11-08-2006, 07:21 PM
ok, I get your point. But I didn&#39;t provide any bad info, I simply provided an experince that happened to me. Like I said, the "performance" might be in my head, no no, it is in my head, ok. Look, I agree with everything you say, wrong info or bad info is worse than no info, by far, but how can 1 person prove good info vs bad info? That is what a forum is for, majority.Here is some food for thought, I agree that with an aftermarket can alone, there is little to no performance gain. But, if you do a lot of mods,(engine) a can should allow more gas to flow through it at a faster rate.

Ya, if you have no mods, letting more exhaust flow will do no good if there isn&#39;t more exhaust to flow. But if there is more exhaust to flow, and it can&#39;t flow fast enough, your loseing power.

I didn&#39;t mean to be a dick or anything, but you DID insult me. Maybe you didn&#39;t mean to, it&#39;s not a big deal anyways. Just please continue to keep giving all the good info you got. :)

versatileman
11-09-2006, 03:35 PM
Every one needs to play nice.
The issue of an aftermarket can is more than weight, tone, noise, or cost - it is trails.
I noticed that you guys do ride in MI, believe it or not, it is illegal to run most aftermarket exhaust cans in MI due to increased Db, now I know that there are few people that have ever been ticketed for this, but the DNR or Sheriff can ticket for them if they wish.
We need to follow Canadas rules, I have to remove my single pipe (I still use the stock can) and clutch kit when I ride in Canada as any exhaust modification is illegal there and I respect their laws - even though the sled is quieter with the d&d single and stock can.
My issue is trails, so much of Michigans trail system is privately owned and the use of these trails is begged from land owners every fall (our club is currently on their knees trying to beg for land use to connect two trail sections that we lost the connector for due to noise complaints).
As a land owner on our trail system this issue is in my top 3 things that pi$$ me off and often make me consider not renewing my land lease.

If you guys never ride into a town or never pass by a residence, then run what you want, but please be respectful to our land owners, without them you will probably have to ride in circles in your back yard.

Oh, and 02_600XCSP, my wifes zr500&#39;s muffler did the same thing as your 600s - and I take GREAT care of my equipment (it did have 8,000 miles on it).
I chose to buy another used one off of Ebay (less than 60 dollars shipped), but that was my choice.

If you do decide to run a different can, please, please, please make it one the quieter aftermarket ones available, please avoid the ear bleeding race cans or hollowed out round packed cylinder style silencers, as a land owner and active club member, I beg you.

02_600XCSP
11-09-2006, 07:28 PM
I couldn&#39;t agree with you more. I made a mistake in one of my posts, I don&#39;t have the SLP can, I have the sno-stuff rumble pack. Anyways, it isn&#39;t really any louder at all, it is just a totally different tone. I can&#39;t really relate to the michigan trails because I just moved here this spring, but in NY the trails pass through many towns and if you don&#39;t ride like an a$$, I don&#39;t think any can would be loud enough to cause problems.( In most cases, of coarse there are exceptions) I think it&#39;s all in your right thumb. I highly respect all landowners that let us ride on their land, and the same goes for townships that allow snowmobiles to ride right through town on the sidewalks. If you just respect your privilege, there isn&#39;t too much to worry about. :)