Is anyone going to the 2008 sneak peek of polaris sleds at Earl Brown Heritage Center - Brooklyn Center, MN on Mar 12, 2007 ????

If anyone goes take pictures and post please!!

Is anyone going to the 2008 sneak peek of polaris sleds at Earl Brown Heritage Center - Brooklyn Center, MN on Mar 12, 2007 ????

If anyone goes take pictures and post please!![/b]

A little far from here, but I defintely know that they have a new model called "Shift".

Anyone else heard of this ?

the shift is the little thing levi one of the racers can up with, it like a snow scooter, pretty cool. for the top of the list of cool new stuff. 800 small block 155HP range, 1000 2 stoke and 1000 cc+ turbo 4 stroke with more power then the yamaha a lot more power. dragon package in 600,700,800 models. a iq 600 race chassis kind like the proxr was for 04, and lot of other models. the new 800 dragon RMK is going to be the mountain sled for next year. ive seen it, its insane

Whats your source?? I stopped my polaris dealer today and he had an '08 brochure with new sleds. None of these sleds with exception of the mountain sled were in there. No 1000's. Im not saying your wrong but I did not see any of this. They are not even making the 800 dragon in a short track, only a mountain model is what i saw.

there was the a iq racer 600 in it. also that shift didnt look like no scooter to me looks like a light weight iq dragon in stealth. my dealer said he heard something about a 1000cc mean machine too but some how I think it wasnt ready for snow check review. I can see it coming out as a late model.
I think they have a good line up this year but, they should of put that new 800 in a trail sled and/or in the racer. that would of been sick enough for me to maybe get off my wallet.
now im looking forward for the 09's. !!

When they first came out with the current 800 VES engine, it spent it's first year in the RMK also. It's a test bed to make sure they don't get too many of them out there and then have something get sideways on them. Too bad it doesn't alway work - look at the crank and VES valve issues that went undetected.....

i say the 800 in a short track dragon then i looked in the new brochure. the new 1000 engines i geuss just arnt ready yet, i was talking to mark blackweel today, they dont want another 900 fusion like problem. better to wait and not pay the price

So if the VP of Polaris told you they aren't going to have all these other sleds, who told you they were?

i had talked to mark a while ago and he said they were trying to get them ready for the 08 season, well some they just didnt get perfected and they didnt want another 900 fusion like problem. better to be a year later then end in problems and recalls

the shift is the little thing levi one of the racers can up with, it like a snow scooter, pretty cool. for the top of the list of cool new stuff. 800 small block 155HP range, 1000 2 stoke and 1000 cc+ turbo 4 stroke with more power then the yamaha a lot more power. dragon package in 600,700,800 models. a iq 600 race chassis kind like the proxr was for 04, and lot of other models. the new 800 dragon RMK is going to be the mountain sled for next year. ive seen it, its insane[/b]

I've heard the same. 800 with 155hp.

they made a Dragon RMK 154HP 800CFI, four stoke 120HP Dragon Turbo, Switchback Dragon 700,600, 120HP IQ shift 600, pics on there website

the four stroke turbo has 140hp. just correcting you before somebody puts it down.

i still think that wilthout the huge engine they will so very well this year. as i said they are not really yet. dont want to have another 900 fusion. i think the shift is going to be a hot sled. i may get lots of people to upgrade because of the sled for the price. im really happy about 136 switchbacks and dragon packages in every catagory. im thinking a dragon stitchbackk 700 is the sled for me. get a used one after this next season. i really think the 800 is going to kill though. skidoo was all happy with the 800R and polaris comes along and makes something even better then that. 154 ponies can really make a guy happy.

Yeah, the darn 800 now has more hp than the 866 (er... 900). Oh well. Perhaps I still get better fuel economy??? lol.

im just thinking of what kind of big bores there is gonna be built with that new 800. Htg right now is in the making of a 200hp+ 830 based of the 700 clean fire. not that it matters but its always cool to have a rad mod.

i thought my 660 put out alot. how 200 ponies out of a 830 thats insane. im thinking the 800 bored to 1000 and twin pipes, porting adn the whole deal it would be over 220 HP. that would be one hell of a mountain sled. watch out turbo yamahas here some good old 2 strokes

i thought my 660 put out alot. how 200 ponies out of a 830 thats insane. im thinking the 800 bored to 1000 and twin pipes, porting adn the whole deal it would be over 220 HP. that would be one hell of a mountain sled. watch out turbo yamahas here some good old 2 strokes[/b]

Using the same hp to cc ratio, you should be able to get 159hp out of your 660 in comparison to the possibility of 200 out of a 830... so it's not as far fetched as it originally sounds. Think about it, if the 500 stock puts out 100hp, the 600 stock puts out 120hp, and the 700 stock puts out 140hp, then the 800 stock should put out 160hp before any mods. Why isn't it already at that point to begin with???

With the right mods, my 900 (866cc) could realistically see 173.2 hp. BUT it seems Polaris concentrated on fuel economy instead of hp, so it has less hp per cc than the 500, but better fuel economy per cc, for example.

really there is to many fators to make engines going up like that. once you reach a point a curve will be created and no long a strait line hp gain per cc. also techs on engines get more and more sufficitcated. just look at a 600 ves to and clean fire HO. they have the same bore but a cleanfire HO buts out 10 HP more. enginges are just far to complex to make this assumsion, an expamle, a 5.3L 327 vortec engine puts out more HP then a 5.7L 350. according to cc that chouldnt be right but it is. bore, stock, fuel delivery, exsaust, back pressure, compresion, fuel octane used, intake, etc. they all make an engine perform how it does, it just is what you can change to make something better.

did anyone else see the 08s on the site and just about cr@p themselves, cuz i did haha, i had to go change before i could look again, these things are SO beautiful i couldnt believe it, that 600RR is looking like my sled for next season

I must be getting old. I was disappointed in how little useful stuff they build anymore - or anyone else for that matter. It's starting to look like us "old fogies" are supposed to be satisfied with little tiny fans. Pol has the 340 Transport, AC the 370 Panther, hmm?

Actually, the Transport looks like it'd be a pretty nice rig for utility use if it had around 50 horses instead of a measly 36. Of course that little 340 is about the most bullet-proof engine Polaris has even built. And amazingly, they've made few changes to something that has worked well. That, of course, means you can get parts for it cheaper than the bigger machines. (While most cranks cost nearly $1000 to replace, the 340 can be gotten factory new for less than half of that - not that you'd likely have to. The low HP plant isn't very hard on its internals.)

I must be getting old. I was disappointed in how little useful stuff they build anymore - or anyone else for that matter. It's starting to look like us "old fogies" are supposed to be satisfied with little tiny fans. Pol has the 340 Transport, AC the 370 Panther, hmm?

Actually, the Transport looks like it'd be a pretty nice rig for utility use if it had around 50 horses instead of a measly 36. Of course that little 340 is about the most bullet-proof engine Polaris has even built. And amazingly, they've made few changes to something that has worked well. That, of course, means you can get parts for it cheaper than the bigger machines. (While most cranks cost nearly $1000 to replace, the 340 can be gotten factory new for less than half of that - not that you'd likely have to. The low HP plant isn't very hard on its internals.)[/b]

Have you looked at ski-doos utility line. They have bigger bore utility machines. I don't even think they make the 380 anymore. I think there smallest and only fan is the 550.

Have you looked at ski-doos utility line. They have bigger bore utility machines. I don't even think they make the 380 anymore. I think there smallest and only fan is the 550.[/b]

I could be wrong, I thought they still made the 500?

did anyone else see the 08s on the site and just about cr@p themselves, cuz i did haha, i had to go change before i could look again, these things are SO beautiful i couldnt believe it, that 600RR is looking like my sled for next season[/b]

I'm extremely dissapointed in the '08 lineup. It looks exactly the same as the '05 lineup, the '06 lineup, and the '07 lineup without the Fusion in the mix. So what's the big deal with the looks, when there aren't any new ones??? I do like the new look, but to me to go from the look of the Fusion to the current look of Polaris is taking a step backwards (the current look was released to the public before the Fusion was; the Fusion in my mind is a step up in terms of looks). I'll be waiting for yet another new look from Polaris before I get excited with the way Polaris looks. Perhaps they are in trouble, they couldn't afford any new looks.

Did anyone else notice that the IQ Shift does not have a rear wheel?

And actually, now that I've watched videos of the new Polaris, I change my mind. I DON'T like the current look of Polaris.

i noted taht on the shift to, i kinda like it, it helps sidehill to (maybe im the only guy that looks at it this way) but id have to disagree that is looks the same. look at the new engines, the new dragon packages (some with ryde fx shocks others with WE shocks, you can gett he WE in the none RMK dragons if you spring order), the new seats, handlebars, skis, track lengths, raw chassis, 136 switchbacks, the whole thing is new. i think the sleds are aewsome. everyone has there opinion on things, some people like the look other people like a different look thats just how it is

I could be wrong, I thought they still made the 500?[/b]

Nope. The only fans they make are the 300 in the freestyle, and tundra. And the 550. Ski-doo doesn't even make a true 500 anymore, liquid or fan.

i noted taht on the shift to, i kinda like it, it helps sidehill to (maybe im the only guy that looks at it this way) but id have to disagree that is looks the same. look at the new engines, the new dragon packages (some with ryde fx shocks others with WE shocks, you can gett he WE in the none RMK dragons if you spring order), the new seats, handlebars, skis, track lengths, raw chassis, 136 switchbacks, the whole thing is new. i think the sleds are aewsome. everyone has there opinion on things, some people like the look other people like a different look thats just how it is[/b]

Those are all parts that were easily added to any Polaris sled in 2005... I have a buddy who has an '05 Fusion 900 with most of those parts you spoke about, and I have the standard options with mine. I'm talking basic looks: the shape of the hood. All the same. Except the 600RR, which is the same 440 hood since 2005 as well. So there are no new looks, which is what I was talking about. If they can spend a small fortune getting that style look to fit the same IQ chassis the Fusion style hood was on, they can do it again to offer just one more style hood for one specific sled to make it that much more "worth the money" from the consumers perspective. I also prefer the idea of an air rad over a long heat exchanger... that air rad has been put to good use for me.

Like me, for exampe, again. I like the Suzuki Madura motorcycle. I ride a Suzuki Madura V4 Liquid cooled motorcycle. I never see them around, except Ride For Site there's usually one or two. So they are around, just not everywhere. It just makes it seem special to be privelaged enough to own one, even if it's book value is not high although it's now considered a collectable. The Fusion to me, is the same thing. I feel as if I'm riding something special. Not something that shares the same style hood as every other snowmobile with the same chassis as me. If I'm going to spend a lot of money with added options, I want more than just different graphics to represent it. I want a special hood at least. I want people at a glance to say "oh wow, he's put a lot of money into that sled!" even if it's just a standard package.

to me they are still pretty new looking. the revs have been around since 03 and really the iq might of cam out in 05 but didnt really make a hit till 06 and yes the RR body has been out since 05 but not to the public and if its at the track, then people want it on the trail. I dont know why you need noew looks every other year?? friggin trucks all look the same year to year. I think for example the cats should of stayed in the old chassis before this new one. they are getting uglier by the year!! from ALL brands , they re all getting this futuristic look that looks like they came out of a video game. the race sled is the only one that looks mean and tough not star war and nasa fancy.
I truly believe manufactures are running out of ideas cause consumers are demanding to much "change" ALL the time.

to me they are still pretty new looking. the revs have been around since 03 and really the iq might of cam out in 05 but didnt really make a hit till 06 and yes the RR body has been out since 05 but not to the public and if its at the track, then people want it on the trail. I dont know why you need noew looks every other year?? friggin trucks all look the same year to year. I think for example the cats should of stayed in the old chassis before this new one. they are getting uglier by the year!! from ALL brands , they re all getting this futuristic look that looks like they came out of a video game. the race sled is the only one that looks mean and tough not star war and nasa fancy.
I truly believe manufactures are running out of ideas cause consumers are demanding to much "change" ALL the time.[/b]

LoL. I see your point completely. In actual fact, you're right, with the rr body available as on '08 model to consumers for the first time, THIS would be your "special" sled with a special mean-looking body. Vs every other IQ with the same look. I don't think they need a new look, but I'm just a little spoiled. To me, and people I meet, the Fusion is still a new look. I had one guy ask me this past weekend "this is a new machine, right?". I'm like no... but almost new. With the Fusion still around as if it were "new" and the RR on the go for consumers now, there is enough variety in Polaris... but to have the new lineup missing that extra "oomph" that Bombardier keeps aiming for... then again I don't like the looks of the new Bombardier either. Doesn't the chassis look familiar??? Looks like their version of the IQ chassis in my mind. At least, from a viewers perspective.

LoL. I see your point completely. In actual fact, you're right, with the rr body available as on '08 model to consumers for the first time, THIS would be your "special" sled with a special mean-looking body. Vs every other IQ with the same look. I don't think they need a new look, but I'm just a little spoiled. To me, and people I meet, the Fusion is still a new look. I had one guy ask me this past weekend "this is a new machine, right?". I'm like no... but almost new. With the Fusion still around as if it were "new" and the RR on the go for consumers now, there is enough variety in Polaris... but to have the new lineup missing that extra "oomph" that Bombardier keeps aiming for... then again I don't like the looks of the new Bombardier either. Doesn't the chassis look familiar??? Looks like their version of the IQ chassis in my mind. At least, from a viewers perspective.[/b]
the rr is going to be a special sled and only the few who ride that way will really buy it i think. as for the fact the poo does make sled that go fast (or i think that is waht you are impling) that is not really true. the 600 700 and the new 800 which you can get in a short track if you pay cash and go to your dealer, can go fast. these engines put out more HP then any engines they size every made. a 125 HP 600, 140+ (it been dynoed up to 149 and the lowest is 141 after break in) 700, and now a 154+ 800 (SLP dynoed 159 HP) i think they got some crazy power. everyone thought that 700 twins were crazy back in the late 90's not a 600 has 15 more HP then that. i think poo has got the strongest engines out there, maybe not always the most economic engine but powerful. i think this year is really the year to show skidoo that poo can keep up and eve npass them in technology and performance.

the rr is going to be a special sled and only the few who ride that way will really buy it i think. as for the fact the poo does make sled that go fast (or i think that is waht you are impling) that is not really true. the 600 700 and the new 800 which you can get in a short track if you pay cash and go to your dealer, can go fast. these engines put out more HP then any engines they size every made. a 125 HP 600, 140+ (it been dynoed up to 149 and the lowest is 141 after break in) 700, and now a 154+ 800 (SLP dynoed 159 HP) i think they got some crazy power. everyone thought that 700 twins were crazy back in the late 90's not a 600 has 15 more HP then that. i think poo has got the strongest engines out there, maybe not always the most economic engine but powerful. i think this year is really the year to show skidoo that poo can keep up and eve npass them in technology and performance.[/b]

I agree with you whole-heartedly on that. I wasn't talking about performance at all... I was simply talking about the shape of the hoods :dazed:

I actually liked the look of the fusion better than the iq look. but I guess with all the bad luck they had thats probably why they canned it. if they cna make the sled look somewhere between the edge and the iq than I think they'd be on the right track!

I just want to make a comment here on the looks of the sleds. I don't hate the look of the new Polaris, but when I watch the videos... they look out of place on the snow. In person, however, I saw one in use this year, and it kinda looked like the Fusion's big brother (if that makes any sense).

Regardless... when I first bought the Fusion, most of the people I spoke with said they preferred the look of my brother's 500XC/SP because that's the look they're more familiar with. So I spent $$$$ more than my brother, and everyone preferred his sled over mine. That sucked. But now that you can't buy a new Fusion anymore, the tables are turning. The look of the XC/SP is almost completely gone now... so people have to choose a newer looking sled. NOW people tell me, they like the looks of the Fusion. But the main point is: until you are used to the way something looks, it's going to look funny to you. I did not like the new Chrysler pickup trucks when they came out. I thought the name of the game was to make curvier trucks, then they start making them square again. But, now it's grown on me, and the curvy trucks look out-dated and I like the big beefy front end... ok that didn't sound right... lol.

Anyway, that was supposed to be an example of how things grow on people. Rest assured, if I had bought a sled with the current look, I would possibly be poking fun of the Fusion... it's just that I own one that makes it seem special to me. Everyone has their opinions, and for every person who likes my sled, I can find someone who would never want to own it. I'm just very opinionated at times.

that makes sence to me. I know what your saying 100%. but I remember when the edge came out it was wow sled it looked crazy sweet and now i just dont get that feeling for the new sleds coming out its more whatever then sweet other than the iq racer, that still kind of gives me that feeling of sweet!!!!