I heard that Polaris was going under in the sled business. Not sure if this is rumor or fact. Wouldnt surprise me with the short winters we have anymore. Anyone know more about this??

Check that stats. They are still #2, just under Bombardier by very little sales difference. Polaris is going under just as much as Bombardier is, if you want to look at it that way.

I was reading from google and they are down 22 percent profits from last year. Cat is the same way. Maybe they all will go under. Dont want to see it happen. We had poor snowfalls for a decade now, something sometime has to give. I dont wanna see it happen but it sounds like it might be right around the corner.

Check that stats. They are still #2,[/b]
where do you get the statistics?

As long as they keep building new types of machines and the great big less practical ones, I doubt that they are too bad off. The economy will have to dive before they really feel a hit and stop building those big ones. There will always be a market for the fans and similar sized liquids. We'll see any company scale back to them with perhaps a 600 cc top end before they drop the ball altogether.

Here ya go:

http://www.snowmobilefanatics.com/forum/to...#55689;� (http://www.snowmobilefanatics.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=53156��)

scroll up.

... why the heck would they give up the larger engines if they're no more expensive to produce??? The Fuel economy is starting to run par across the board as the technology improves regardless of cc size.

Muh link crapped out... hang on I'll try that again.

http://www.snowmobilefanatics.com/forum/attachments/43011.jpg

Crap, that was two years ago. Sorry 'bout that. Don't know this years stats. Anyway, some weather watchers have predicted that in ten years time there won't be enough snow in the winters for snowmobiling... hope they're wrong, lol.

remember that changing the melting point of snow topic.....? lets start a fund raiser to help research so we can make it! then we can all laugh at the weather men and tell them we got there snow for them w00t

Global warming IS real.. that is no longer up for debate.. How much of it is caused by man IS still up for debate... I remember tons of snow growing up in Vermont in the 60's and 70's... Sadly there is a trend, and the trend is for less and less snow... :(

no more snowmobiling!!!! dear God!!!! that cant happen ill just die...what will we do??? ahhhhh!!!!!...really if there was no more sleddin id hate mother nature forever!!!...lol.......no but i see what yall are sayin and if you just wait the earth goes through cycles i think if we give it a little time it will pull back around....maybe in my lifetime...dont know...but well see im prayin!!!

about the global warming, man cant do anything about it and it really is not as bad as the TV otherwise known as children's nanny. 2 degrees in 100 years is nothing. hey it could all change just like that. in the 70's it was global cooling and the next iceage is coming. dont believe everything you here on the TV, it is very misleading

on the polaris thing, no they are not. polaris is really trying this next year to cut skidoo in the mountain business. they are also looking to get out very aggressive fast sleds to cut some of that market to. This last year 07 sled are leading to the new 08 full line IQ chassis with lots of power and packages people will like. polaris is coming out with some insane new engines, my fav 800 small block with 155HP, a new 1000cc 2 stroke and a super power 4 stroke wit more power then the yamaha. as for the paackages, new dragon 600,700,800 for sure i dont know about the 1000. the new RMK for 08 is even better then 07 and the small block 800 is going to give the 800R skidoo motor a run for its money. polaris isnt going anywhere guys.

about the global warming, man cant do anything about it and it really is not as bad as the TV otherwise known as children's nanny. 2 degrees in 100 years is nothing. hey it could all change just like that. in the 70's it was global cooling and the next iceage is coming. dont believe everything you here on the TV, it is very misleading

on the polaris thing, no they are not. polaris is really trying this next year to cut skidoo in the mountain business. they are also looking to get out very aggressive fast sleds to cut some of that market to. This last year 07 sled are leading to the new 08 full line IQ chassis with lots of power and packages people will like. polaris is coming out with some insane new engines, my fav 800 small block with 155HP, a new 1000cc 2 stroke and a super power 4 stroke wit more power then the yamaha. as for the paackages, new dragon 600,700,800 for sure i dont know about the 1000. the new RMK for 08 is even better then 07 and the small block 800 is going to give the 800R skidoo motor a run for its money. polaris isnt going anywhere guys.[/b]
hope youre right time, but i also heard that polaris is not going to be focusing on the snowmobiling industry as much in the future. they are going to spend more resources in other aspects of polaris industries.

hope youre right time, but i also heard that polaris is not going to be focusing on the snowmobiling industry as much in the future. they are going to spend more resources in other aspects of polaris industries.[/b]
this is semi true. you have to go to were the money is. atv's is really were the money is but you see that with all the company's. bombardier is moving more money to atv's to. so is AC. they just make more money there. with less snow these that few years that is just how it is. polaris i know though is keeping a strong snowmobile program going. hopefully next year will be a great snow year and business for everyone will go up. by the wya if anyone is wondering how i know so much about polaris, i knowthe VP and im going to mostly likely go through their advanced placement program and end up working for them. i little insider stuff in that last post. well it is more known now then it was 3 months ago

I lived in niagara falls area all my life before working in the GTA area, and the snow was always hit and miss. Everyone says less snow fall over all these years and warm temps , but I know when I was a kid it was no different. As well, in the 03/04 and 04/05 years we had tons of snow, and it was f***ing cold. I remember commenting with my dad that we had made a trip out for 6 to 7 straight weekends (in the niagra falls area!!). That is un heard of down there, then the next year the same thing happened, cold and lots of snow. Now these last two years have been lack luster, and the environmental wienies blow the situation out of hand. We had a warm january, worldwide it was like 1 degree warmer, mainly because of canda and siberia areas. Well late january we got hit with all that cold, and so did out west (in canada). And I know I read a report that said february was like 4 degrees colder than the norm ( http://www.thestar.com/article/188324 ), where's all Gore to talk about that now!? A few major earth events(like volcanos), and a few cold years could change things around dramatically. the earth has been around for millions of years, and we have records for like 75 years, how can you make so much outta this knowing only a fraction of a percentage of the earth's history?!

As for struggling snowmobile business, well I blame tougher regulations , expensive insurance, and expensive trail passes for this. Depsite you guys telling me $230 for a o.f.s.c trail pass is CHEAP CHEAP!!. its not. back in the 90's where the sled industry was booming, trail passes were in the $80-$100 range(this is ontario, where the business was/is huge in itself). You can see how these regulations impact in a quicker fashion, in N.S and P.E.I they brought some tough regulations in for 4 wheelers and atvs, and sales dropped dramaticlally, as high as 30%.

I hope polaris dosnt get outta the business, as more competition brings us better products, but lets face it, its a tough business and its falling off big time.

A week or even two months of cold weather doesn't mean squat in the big picture. You can't go saying global warming is just a myth because it's cold for awhile where you live.. Again, global warming IS real , well documented and universally accepted as fact by the scientific community. People who continue to think it's a propped up myth invented by the tree huggers are simply not informed on the subject. Sorry but that's the truth.. I WISH I could just cover my ears and say "not so! not so!" any time someone brings it up. What we can do about it as a civilization and how much of it we cause directly is the debate now.. No disrespect to anyone here I hope.These are not MY views. It's just the way it is :(

A week or even two months of cold weather doesn't mean squat in the big picture. You can't go saying global warming is just a myth because it's cold for awhile where you live.. Again, global warming IS real , well documented and universally accepted as fact by the scientific community. People who continue to think it's a propped up myth invented by the tree huggers are simply not informed on the subject. Sorry but that's the truth.. I WISH I could just cover my ears and say "not so! not so!" any time someone brings it up. What we can do about it as a civilization and how much of it we cause directly is the debate now.. No disrespect to anyone here I hope.These are not MY views. It's just the way it is :([/b]
tic how about is fun fact for you, 98% of sciencitst world wide do not believe in man mad global warming. this is from a study of 100,000 scientist, i think that gives you a pretty good idea. if is the same as anything, one or two really vocal people can make something the biggest deal. Most if the global warming hipe is media driven and not really science. if you watch the gore video you can even see this. none of it fact it all just what a few people think. can we go from them talking around global cooling and an ice age coming in the 70's to global warming and we are all going to die from it being to hot today scientifically, i dont think so. On the other hand look at it this way, if gore and his other science followers were really that consernded about global warming, would they exspecially ore fly around on there private jet creative all these green house gasses, and one of those green house gasses is what you breath out of our mouth every few second. carbine dioxide is going to kill us all they say. well if its the biproduct of breathing then isnt it a good thing. o and isnt it what helps make trees grow. everyone just open your eyes and ears and really read through the lies and the propoganda. and if you believe the polar ice caps are melting and the ocean is suddenly going to be warm does believe that either. the souther ice cap grew by 3% last year. i dont know the norhtern percent but it grew to. They are trying to make this a crisis to get more of your money. according to the UN it would take 546 trillion dollars to get you so called carb emissions in the world back to how they were in just 1990. well if the us GDP is only 13 trillion this last year how many year would it take?

FACT...The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projects that global temperatures will rise an additional 3 to10 degrees Fahrenheit (1.6 to 5.5 degrees Celsius) by century's end.

FACT...ACIA (multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment) projects that at least half of the Arctic's summer sea ice will melt by century's end, and that the Arctic region is likely to warm 7 to 13 degrees Fahrenheit (4 to 7 degrees Celsius) during the same time.

FACT... Montana's Glacier National Park was created in 1910 it held some 150 glaciers. Now fewer than 30, greatly shrunken glaciers, remain. Tropical glaciers are in even more trouble. The legendary snows of Tanzania's Mount Kilimanjaro 19,340-foot (5,895-meter) peak have melted by some 80 percent since 1912 and will be gone by 2020.......................
FACT... Since the 1860s, increased industrialization and shrinking forests have helped raise the atmosphere's CO2 level by almost 100 parts per million—and Northern Hemisphere temperatures have followed suit. Increases in temperatures and greenhouse gasses have been even sharper since the 1950s.
FACT....The global sea level has risen by between 10 and 25 cms over the last century, as glaciers melt and warming sea water expands. .................................................. ...................This is not Al Gore or media hype. Sorry, I wish it was .. If burying your head in the sand and pretending these facts don't exist or thinking it's all a plot to get your money or entirely based on a political agenda makes you happy, go for it.... I am unable to find your study of 100,000 scientists that says 98% do not believe in global warming.. Please state your source...For the third time, global warming is accepted as fact, not theory at present time. How much influence MAN has on it is still up for debate.

FACT...The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projects that global temperatures will rise an additional 3 to10 degrees Fahrenheit (1.6 to 5.5 degrees Celsius) by century's end.

FACT...ACIA (multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment) projects that at least half of the Arctic's summer sea ice will melt by century's end, and that the Arctic region is likely to warm 7 to 13 degrees Fahrenheit (4 to 7 degrees Celsius) during the same time.

FACT... Montana's Glacier National Park was created in 1910 it held some 150 glaciers. Now fewer than 30, greatly shrunken glaciers, remain. Tropical glaciers are in even more trouble. The legendary snows of Tanzania's Mount Kilimanjaro 19,340-foot (5,895-meter) peak have melted by some 80 percent since 1912 and will be gone by 2020.......................
FACT... Since the 1860s, increased industrialization and shrinking forests have helped raise the atmosphere's CO2 level by almost 100 parts per million—and Northern Hemisphere temperatures have followed suit. Increases in temperatures and greenhouse gasses have been even sharper since the 1950s.
FACT....The global sea level has risen by between 10 and 25 cms over the last century, as glaciers melt and warming sea water expands. .................................................. ...................This is not Al Gore or media hype. Sorry, I wish it was .. If burying your head in the sand and pretending these facts don't exist or thinking it's all a plot to get your money or entirely based on a political agenda makes you happy, go for it.... I am unable to find your study of 100,000 scientists that says 98% do not believe in global warming.. Please state your source...For the third time, global warming is accepted as fact, not theory at present time. How much influence MAN has on it is still up for debate.[/b]
ill try and find that source but a few of those things you say up there are fact but have no science. very little of this provens anything. just go back to this, 35 years ago the same groups (there is an article in Time mag from 74 and then 06 with almost identicall word just warming and cool ing changed) said that we are going into the next ice age. as someone said before 100 year of record means nothing in how old the earth is. if you look through more like 6000 years of mankind to 100 years of record, what do those 100 years mean in the picture. not much. this is also fact ill find the soure on this. humans only create 3% of your grenn house gasses. the united states only 8% of that 3%. the other 97% is nature. animals, volcanos, storms, etc. if one volcano can create more green house gasses then 1000years of current car emissions what do you think we can do. yes the earth may be warming right now, only a few degrees but maybe in 20 years it will be cooling 3 degrees. are you willing to give all you money up to a hopeless casue. scietific consensise (gores video with a few scientists) does not give adaquite consideration to golbal warming. im sorry tic if you want to believe we are all going to die and in 100 years this world is going to be up in smoke but 6000 years of humans and we all of a sudden destroy the world in 100 year, not happening

Hey man, I'm not saying we're all going to die.. I'm just saying that there might not be enough snow for sledding. That would be a real bummer, I think we can agree on that! peace

Hate to #### people off but..................... Fact- the sun is a star, another fact-it's going to burn out some year, fact- when that happens we're goin to get really farging cold! I don't know about you but I'm going to ride the hell out of what ever sled I have to California, Texas or where ever the "lady's" are and then I'm going to be handing out lovin like gas at an all mens roast beef dinner!!!! Then when I can't take enough I will stand up as tall as I can and say "screw you guy's..........I'm goin home"
:whistling:

LOL.. The only problem with that theory is that as the sun burns out.. It burns HOTTER so it will get wicked hot before it gets cold. The sun is about mid life right now.As the Sun ages more it will burn most off its hydrogen and the helium left behind will burn hotter and brighter. Only when the helium runs out will it begin to cool

LOL.. The only problem with that theory is that as the sun burns out.. It burns HOTTER so it will get wicked hot before it gets cold. The sun is about mid life right now.As the Sun ages more it will burn most off its hydrogen and the helium left behind will burn hotter and brighter. Only when the helium runs out will it begin to cool[/b]


So then this would this be similar to my ex, who was full of hot air? [attachment=34458:I_dunno.gif]

:lmao:

Don't worry Redline will buy out Polaris:P

... why the heck would they give up the larger engines if they're no more expensive to produce??? The Fuel economy is starting to run par across the board as the technology improves regardless of cc size.[/b]

If the big engines are no more expensive to produce, then why are they more expensive? (I really doubt that it's the big machines making the profits - or less losses.)

The smaller engines cool more efficently, less snow means less need for speed or power. Fans work regardless the snow conditions - even the smaller LCs can be made to work more easily. Perhaps we'll see combination cooling just as larger vehicles have.

I've been paying attention to the weather, and I've been paying attention to the media... and I've come to this conclusion: we're being lied to by the statistics. It doesn't matter what media you're reading, they all contradict one-another. They don't add up. In fact, it seems steps are being taken to INCREASE the weather so that we feel the effects of global warming (knowing the earth will rebound, and there are ways to cool it down again) just so we will spends more money that usual to take our own steps to stop global warming (which is a money-making scam). Yeah yeah, I'm a conspiratist. As I believe in global warming more and more, I'm also led to believe that something is controlling it... for global "chaos" to exist... how has it been so easily predicted? We're not being told of something... whatever it is. And yes, the earth can rebound... before or after catastrophe? Who knows.

The money making gimick is that it's up to the consumers to fix global warming... BS. We can only use what's available. With that, there comes more money-making gimmicks. How long before snowmobiles become illegal to burn gasoline? Or cars for that matter? Why? Primarily because man-made resources render more controllable profits that can be altered to meet the demand of better profits vs rellying on natural supplies. Money making scam if ya ask me.

I'm so full of crap... lol.

I agree that we really can't "fix" the issue of global warming.. Throwing money at it won't help.. Technology is at least partially responsible for getting the environment into the mess it's in right now, it sure as heck isn't going to get it out.

record snow fall amounts in BC this year. cant complain about that. I wish I was there.
As for the global warming crap. Yes it is warming up mans fault? we are contributing. it is not a FACT yet though I do believe in some of it. but, I strongly believe 100% of it can be blamed on our governments for letting it go to hell. and im pretty damn sure that all these wars going on are not helping the situation at all. oh does that not count??:D

I just wanted to add: remember 14 years ago when scientists experimented with mirrors in space to see if they could alter the temperature of specific areas on Earth? Or has everyone forgotten? I know now they claim it's to direct sunlight to the satellites that are in Earth's shadow to conserve energy use in space... yeah... ok...

Funny how we forget. Look it up. There are still mirrors in space... their first target was the northern hemisphere... perhaps that had a bigger impact than they thought. Probably minor, but I'm willing to bet it did have somewhat of an impact.

how about the article in the new york times today showing up gore on his movie. ill see if i can get the article online here

I wonder if humans are to blame for the melting ice caps on MARS?

Tic,

1. "Global warming is real ze debate is over" reminds me of "All Ze Jews Are Ze Problem, Ze Debate Is over and ve muzt implement Ze FINAL SOLUTION"... That's right--we are headed towards enviro-fascism. It is downright alarming that environmentalists are unelected and answer to no one but themselves. They claim absolute moral authority to tell everyone what to do from the military to schools. Then they tell everyone else they have no right to even debate their beliefs. Very undemocratic and scary indeed for the future of our republic. You Global Warming True Believers have still never answered for the miscalculated Next Ice Age that was predicted in the 1970s.

2. What you posted as "facts" were not facts they were "Long Range Projections"and from extremely compromised sources. The United Nations does not exactly have a record of flawless accuracy or integrity. Also, projections are not facts, just like scientific theories are not scientific laws although Wannabe scientists lend theories and laws the same credence. Wannabe scientists also lend projections the same credence as recorded data. Our climatologists were warning us about RECORD HURRICANE ACTIVITY IN 2006!!! Remember? Er...didn't have any major hurricanes in 2006 did we?? As far as that goes, weather projections are wrong so much that most people would trust a used car salesman before they would trust a weather report.

There are natural weather cycles, there are El Nino and La Nina ocean currents, there is a God who is in control of everything, and solar flare activity can also cause temperature fluctuations. The enviro-fascism movement is a disease posing as a cure, and Global Warming True Believers (GWTBs) are the misguided foot soldiers of this movement.

As for struggling snowmobile business, well I blame tougher regulations , expensive insurance, and expensive trail passes for this. Depsite you guys telling me $230 for a o.f.s.c trail pass is CHEAP CHEAP!!. its not. back in the 90's where the sled industry was booming, trail passes were in the $80-$100 range(this is ontario, where the business was/is huge in itself).[/b]
I've spent $360 this year in injection oil. $185 for a trail pass seems cheap compared to that.

A week or even two months of cold weather doesn't mean squat in the big picture. You can't go saying global warming is just a myth because it's cold for awhile where you live.. Again, global warming IS real , well documented and universally accepted as fact by the scientific community. People who continue to think it's a propped up myth invented by the tree huggers are simply not informed on the subject. Sorry but that's the truth.. I WISH I could just cover my ears and say "not so! not so!" any time someone brings it up. What we can do about it as a civilization and how much of it we cause directly is the debate now.. No disrespect to anyone here I hope.These are not MY views. It's just the way it is :([/b]
tic, you and I think alot alike. I get a kick out of people who say that GLOBAL warming is not happening because they had a good winter not too long ago. The only thing up for debate now is what, if anything, we can do about it.


As for Polaris going under, or getting out of the sledding business, I imagine that everyone knows this is just a load of horse $hit.

I wonder if humans are to blame for the melting ice caps on MARS?[/b]


Silly Snowrash, or course we are, just think of all the spacecraft we have sent to Mars. Heck there is even a couple 6 wheel atv's roaming the the surface of Mars from Earth. Think of their carbon footprint. I know , I know they are not IC engines, but you know every electric motor creates ozone, think about it. And what about those baloons, wait that's not too technical, those cusioning spheres that protected those 6 wheelers on the decent, probably filled with CO2. There you go, that's how we have already changed the climate on Mars. :whistling:


You know, I don't think Gore is such a DA anymore, I think I'm going to invest in his company that buys and sells carbon footprint credits (at quite a large profit) for the insane.

Tic,

there is a God who is in control of everything,
The enviro-fascism movement is a disease posing as a cure, and Global Warming True Believers (GWTBs) are the misguided foot soldiers of this movement.[/b]
Now THAT"S funny! Oh man, you are too much. When even George Junior came out and finally said that he could no longer ignore the science I thought the religous right would start to tow the line, but I guess not.

Enough with the "enviro-nazi" crap. I get tired of people (especially right wingers) throwing around "nazi" every time there's a group of people who believe in something they don't. Argue the facts, and stop with the scare mongering.

still ahve to say that you guys are wrong about global warming. do you really think they can project the future weather and be right if they cant even get the 7 day forcast right. there is more and more realy science, not consense like gore talks about, that shows global warming is not man made, we may have a little warming but nothing to get excited about (.6 degrees in 120 years i dont think is really that big of a deal), and that you can thrwo as much money as you want at it and it wont do a thing. beside the article in the new york time yesterday giving a shot back to gore about his movie and that everything was stretched or wrong, a big scientific exploration to the north pole was called off do to the conditions were to cold and severe to survive up there. but just wait 3 month from now in the the always hot summer, global warming people will be running around like chicken with their heads cut off staying we are all going to die from global warming

about the global warming, man cant do anything about it and it really is not as bad as the TV otherwise known as children's nanny. 2 degrees in 100 years is nothing. hey it could all change just like that. in the 70's it was global cooling and the next iceage is coming. dont believe everything you here on the TV, it is very misleading[/b]

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but the people on TV don't just make stuff up. They have to do their research and generally give balanced stories. Just because it doesn't jive with what you believe doesn't mean it's junk.

How many weeks of riding did you get in this year? See that ice shelf in the Arctic? No? That's because its gone. Not because its made up by the "people on TV"....

Please again tell me global warming is not real.

still ahve to say that you guys are wrong about global warming. do you really think they can project the future weather and be right if they cant even get the 7 day forcast right. there is more and more realy science, not consense like gore talks about, that shows global warming is not man made, we may have a little warming but nothing to get excited about (.6 degrees in 120 years i dont think is really that big of a deal), and that you can thrwo as much money as you want at it and it wont do a thing. beside the article in the new york time yesterday giving a shot back to gore about his movie and that everything was stretched or wrong, a big scientific exploration to the north pole was called off do to the conditions were to cold and severe to survive up there. but just wait 3 month from now in the the always hot summer, global warming people will be running around like chicken with their heads cut off staying we are all going to die from global warming[/b]

I'm really not picking on you.. really..

It's not about money. Its about changing your thinking. Take a step back, look around. It's not just happening in your back yard, it's happening everywhere...

the iceslef in the arctic is not gone it is still there. just like anything it will get bigger and smaller as years go in. and as for tv it is really agenda run. tv is the worse out of all the medias in bias. and as riding, you just have years of bad snow. it not that we didnt have supper low average snow, we had above average it just all came at the end of the year. some years are good some bad that is just how it is. llok at the war in iraq if you dont believe me on bias. there is great things everyday that happen over there, but they only show the negative car bombs and deaths. someone made a documenty the the new reporter get a call about a bombing, drive out there from the hotel, hit record then drive back. they record this happening over and over. no one goes and looks for the good things, why becasue they dont want the war to look like a good thing becasue the dont like bush. negative sells. just like murders to. ,urders have gone down 600% sense 1990 but all you see on the new is so and so got murders. they tell you want they want not always whats ahppening.

Thought this thread was about polaris going under? Well I spent my lunch hour on the phone with Hot seat and it appears this may have some legs.....I called looking for a clutch kit for my 06 900 Fusion and was told they were no longer developing for Polaris....Arctic cat is their thing now! Ask what direction I should look and was told SLP....No dice over there either....If you read between the line Polaris is no longer pay these companys to develop products anymore :unsure: Does not look promising. As far as global warming or not....why worry...we can't change whatever is happening anyway :whistling:

hey mike EPI is where you need to go. they are the polaris clutch guys now. speedwerks/hotseat has always really been a arctic cat company. theyo nly did polaris for the business but slp is killing them on polaris products so they quite the polaris thing. goodwin to makes kits for polaris

Scientists Told To Stop Talking About Global Warming (http://sports.espn.go.com/outdoors/general/news/story?id=2793243)

The scientists being stifled disagree with the so-called "settled facts" of global warming and they are being ordered to stop raising their disagreements.

Here's some more information. This Canadian scientist has been receiving death threats because he opposes the "settled facts" of Global Warming.

Canadian Scientist Receives Death Threats (http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/cover031207.htm)

Do you believe that Global Warming is killing Polar Bears? Then you must know more than the Polar Bear Biologist from the Province of Nunavut. He says their population is growing.

Polar Bear Experts Says Polar Bears Are Fine (http://www.bear-hunting.com/news.cfm?Action=News&NewsFlashID=289)

Note that seldom do those arguing from the standpoint of the Global Warming True Believers debate the facts, they usually turn to personal attacks.

Just presenting facts for the sake of a balanced debate...

that is also similar to minnestosa where when the debates on global warmer where happening at the capital in january, they would not let any scientists that disagreed with global warming in the building.

I've got a real gut feeling that Polaris dropping its sled line is going to happen. There is just too much chatter, everyone from my dealer to a buddy of ScottMc who used to work for SnowGoer has heard the similiar reports. Put that with the fact that Polaris really hasn't dumped too much money in the research end of sled development and they could have an easier out. Lately the trend seems like the rumors really get going about a year before the ball is dropped. Just my opinion, no facts of corse :whistling:

Wow... lol.

Antarctica is loosing some ice because scientists discovered there was a volcano under it that had erupted. Look it up. Does that count as global warming? Perhaps, but not man-made.

There are less aftermarket parts as Polaris starts making their own custom parts for their own sleds. Why buy an aftermarket part when the parts with the Polaris stamp on them are just as good? Polaris even started building their own engines... hardly a sign from a company going under... most companies that go under can't afford the idea of starting to design their own engines... Arctic Cat... caugh... the money came from somewhere. Polaris is simply trying to maintain a monopoly over it's own products (profit, profit, profit, even if sales are low).

Rumors tend to start a year before they happen, eh? Then how come this rumor of Polaris going under had been on these forums for 2 years already? Yep, this is the third year I've heard this. So what are you trying to prove??? LOL. That we are in fact causing global warming on Mars, I suppose... lol. That was a good one :)

i know for a fact that polaris is not going under. and they are not getting ride of the snowmobile line, they are expanding. polaris is trying to get back into the game after 05 and 06 being so bad for them with the 900 fusion. i think polaris has got one hell of a good line up for 08. i think why some of the dealers are felling funny is polaris is having large managament changes going on inside the company and things are changing. the changes has lead to some cut off communication with dealers and just thing not going smoothly. i think when everyting is said and done, polaris is going to be right back up with skidoo in 09.

Wow... lol.

Antarctica is loosing some ice because scientists discovered there was a volcano under it that had erupted. Look it up. Does that count as global warming? Perhaps, but not man-made.

There are less aftermarket parts as Polaris starts making their own custom parts for their own sleds. Why buy an aftermarket part when the parts with the Polaris stamp on them are just as good? Polaris even started building their own engines... hardly a sign from a company going under... most companies that go under can't afford the idea of starting to design their own engines... Arctic Cat... caugh... the money came from somewhere. Polaris is simply trying to maintain a monopoly over it's own products (profit, profit, profit, even if sales are low).

Rumors tend to start a year before they happen, eh? Then how come this rumor of Polaris going under had been on these forums for 2 years already? Yep, this is the third year I've heard this. So what are you trying to prove??? LOL. That we are in fact causing global warming on Mars, I suppose... lol. That was a good one :)[/b]
What I heard from Hot Seat was that they are making the parts for polaris. I hope they are staying in bussiness! I love the product :thumbsup:

Why is everyone blaming the Fusion for Polaris sales going down? Anyone who's owned one is happy with it. It is an IQ with an awesome looking hood vs the new IQ with an ugly looking hood.

Polaris has to be doing well. How else can they manage the "shift" sled, which is basically and affordable low-end performance sled? Where's Bombardier's affordable version? I've yet to see it... Polaris has always had the lowest prices (since I started snowmobiling) so when did this automatically mean that they were going under? To me, it's simply a marketing ploy to attract new customers.

I have a more important question: How come the people who talk about Polaris going under are Arctic Cat fans? It always seems to be that way... even though they're sister companies.

i think the fusion is a nice sled myself, id rather have an IQ because i like the look of them better but thats me. the problem with the fusion is it just got a bad rap. the vibration if the 900 and the few electrical problems pushed everyone away. i dont know why but it did so what im saying is it was never a bad sled just got a reallt bad rap. the AC firecats had 10 times the problem in 03 that the fusion had in 05 but i guess people where just lookin for a way to pas up polaris and politics was the way they did it. give poo a bad rap and it stayes for a while

Yeah, I know what you mean. There was no electrical problem with the 900 though, at least I've never heard of one. Well, the only electrical problem was the wiring to the handlebars was not routed properly, and needed to be fastened in a different spot. That's no big deal to me. The vibration thing is hard on the joints after a 662.5 miles run in two days with only 7 hours sleep in 3 days, let me tell you, lol. I'll be looking into that a bit further for next year, lol. I hear there's a nice 2 inch adapter that removes the vibration in the handlebars, sounds good to me, lol.

I just don't like it when most of the people I meet are impressed with my sled, and at a distance people look to see what the hay is coming because it sound deep and powerful vs high pitched like someone stuck a can on a 500 to discover it's a 1,000cc. Then, when I leave the real world, I visit these forums and once again there are Arctic Cat fans bashing the sled I just gathered a crowd with. I don't know why... because they're good little sleds and extremely affordable by today's standards. I only saw ONE other one during my 662.5 mile trip. To me, it's always something special. Kinda like seeing a Corvette. You'll see one in every community, but not every man and his dog owns one; like the Mustang. And I prefer Ford over Chev any day... not a real fan of either... but let's not go there. LOL.

Aside from the vibrating 900, how has the durability been on the cleanfire? I have not heard/read anything bad

Boy is this one big two topic thread.
But since were at it! Whether "global warming" today is a sign of things to come or just a passing mild spell which has happened a million times in history, whether it is man made or not, or we do contribute fully,partially or not at all to it, there will be one good thing to come out of this news and that would be the fact that we must clean up our act and air pollution if even to save our own health, especially for those living in or aroung big industrial cities.

maybe polaris is causing global warming and the enviromentalists are forcing them under. :undercover:

maybe polaris is causing global warming and the enviromentalists are forcing them under. :undercover:[/b]
LOL!! That's got to be it.

doo's economy sled? how bout the MXZ550f??? 5,700 US dollars last time I checked.

doo's economy sled? how bout the MXZ550f??? 5,700 US dollars last time I checked.[/b]

I'm talking strictly performance sled... of which is a 600LC or higher for roughly the same price you mentioned, preferrably. But yeah, that is a good price :). An I have to say, I'm not totally against FC sleds. I don't pay attention to the speed I'm going at all, but for me the LC suit me, but doesn't suit everyone.

Two sided thread? Yep, I'm a true gemini, so I'm loving this thread! Let's add more eccentricity, acknowledging the fact that I just added a third topic in here... LOL.

The 900's are losing their pistons/rings typically between 2,800 miles and 3,800 miles. Not a major rebuild (no damage is typicallly caused by this, just seems to be faulty parts???) but if you ride it hard, which most of us do, you can expect a small rebuild within 5,000 miles anyway (if you take a 2-stroke easy, you can get as much as 10,000 miles before needing new rings/pistons, right? Ride it hard and it's at 5,000 miles; so to get 3,800 miles is not that far from what you could expect for someone like myself who razzes the thing like all heck until it's dead anyway, LOL.) That said, I have near 3,000 miles on my '05 900, and so far no problems at all. Warranty expires on it the end of Feb, 2009. So, I'll be past that trouble zone long before the warranty is up, anyway :D An after the warranty, I'll probably get that new 800 at 155hp to fit just nicely :D

To get this thread back on track, has anyone seen the 600RR?

A week or even two months of cold weather doesn't mean squat in the big picture. You can't go saying global warming is just a myth because it's cold for awhile where you live.. Again, global warming IS real , well documented and universally accepted as fact by the scientific community. People who continue to think it's a propped up myth invented by the tree huggers are simply not informed on the subject. Sorry but that's the truth.. I WISH I could just cover my ears and say "not so! not so!" any time someone brings it up. What we can do about it as a civilization and how much of it we cause directly is the debate now.. No disrespect to anyone here I hope.These are not MY views. It's just the way it is :([/b]




You need to listen to a little Glen Beck dude................Ok sorry lets keep politics off the site.


I propose the idea of a "trail paver". Build a groomer with a paver body on it that has a huge hopper on it. Fill it with all the parking lot snow piles buisnesses are diing to get rid of anyway. Lay it out 8 inches thick on all the trails and prestow two birds, one snowball. Who's w/ me?!

Mountain areas still get plenty right? Everyone would be happy.



On a side note, winter here in WNY started as a flop, but acually turned out pretty good for the short duration it was. If someone told me in early Feb I'd get three times the miles I put on the last few years I would have told them they were crazy.

You need to listen to a little Glen Beck dude................Ok sorry lets keep politics off the site.
I propose the idea of a "trail paver". Build a groomer with a paver body on it that has a huge hopper on it. Fill it with all the parking lot snow piles buisnesses are diing to get rid of anyway. Lay it out 8 inches thick on all the trails and prestow two birds, one snowball. Who's w/ me?!

Mountain areas still get plenty right? Everyone would be happy.
On a side note, winter here in WNY started as a flop, but acually turned out pretty good for the short duration it was. If someone told me in early Feb I'd get three times the miles I put on the last few years I would have told them they were crazy.[/b]

I have thought of bringing snow into the trails many times! Its a good idea but unfortunately prolly not economical. It would be interesting to know if anyone has tried it.

i think when everyting is said and done, polaris is going to be right back up with skidoo in 09.[/b]
are you a stock broker?

the people who talk about Polaris going under are Arctic Cat fans? It always seems to be that way... even though they're sister companies.[/b]
sister companies? are you a stock analist?

FACT...The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projects that global temperatures will rise an additional 3 to10 degrees Fahrenheit (1.6 to 5.5 degrees Celsius) by century's end.

FACT...ACIA (multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment) projects that at least half of the Arctic's summer sea ice will melt by century's end, and that the Arctic region is likely to warm 7 to 13 degrees Fahrenheit (4 to 7 degrees Celsius) during the same time.

FACT... Montana's Glacier National Park was created in 1910 it held some 150 glaciers. Now fewer than 30, greatly shrunken glaciers, remain. Tropical glaciers are in even more trouble. The legendary snows of Tanzania's Mount Kilimanjaro 19,340-foot (5,895-meter) peak have melted by some 80 percent since 1912 and will be gone by 2020.......................
FACT... Since the 1860s, increased industrialization and shrinking forests have helped raise the atmosphere's CO2 level by almost 100 parts per million—and Northern Hemisphere temperatures have followed suit. Increases in temperatures and greenhouse gasses have been even sharper since the 1950s.
FACT....The global sea level has risen by between 10 and 25 cms over the last century, as glaciers melt and warming sea water expands. .................................................. ...................This is not Al Gore or media hype. Sorry, I wish it was .. If burying your head in the sand and pretending these facts don't exist or thinking it's all a plot to get your money or entirely based on a political agenda makes you happy, go for it.... I am unable to find your study of 100,000 scientists that says 98% do not believe in global warming.. Please state your source...For the third time, global warming is accepted as fact, not theory at present time. How much influence MAN has on it is still up for debate.[/b]

FACT... Did you know that the coldest period in the earth history also had the highest co2 content in the atmosphere.

FACT... did you know that during other times of high snow melt and mild temperatures there has been a huge increase in sun spots, which cause large "balls" of heat wave to be sent toward the earth... and that these sunspots have had a major increase in recent few decades?

FACT... did you know that global warming is not "accepted as fact", in fact just like another poster said, there is ZERO scientific evidence that supports human caused global warming. Somthing like 1 volcanic erruption puts out 10 times more co2 gas to be released than humans could put out in somthing like 10 years?

FACT... You need to stop believing the democrats who run the media and love to shove things down your throat and label them as FACT, CUZ IT'S NOT. If you want to jump on the demmi bandwagon go right ahead, but dont come telling about FACT that your basing off of OPINION.

are you a stock broker?[/b]

Nope, just guessing. Nobody said I'd ever be right though, but that's my guess. :)

sister companies? are you a stock analist?[/b]

I was told Arctic Cat was formed by someone who originally helped with the designs for Polaris. I could have been informed wrong, but people do tend to put Polaris and Cat in the same category (no offense to either brand). Am I wrong to categorize them as "sister companies" when once upon a time they were similarily designed? It may not be true anymore, but it once was.

FACT... Did you know that the coldest period in the earth history also had the highest co2 content in the atmosphere.

FACT... did you know that during other times of high snow melt and mild temperatures there has been a huge increase in sun spots, which cause large "balls" of heat wave to be sent toward the earth... and that these sunspots have had a major increase in recent few decades?

FACT... did you know that global warming is not "accepted as fact", in fact just like another poster said, there is ZERO scientific evidence that supports human caused global warming. Somthing like 1 volcanic erruption puts out 10 times more co2 gas to be released than humans could put out in somthing like 10 years?

FACT... You need to stop believing the democrats who run the media and love to shove things down your throat and label them as FACT, CUZ IT'S NOT. If you want to jump on the demmi bandwagon go right ahead, but dont come telling about FACT that your basing off of OPINION.[/b]

He he, I like this guy :) Fact vs opinion. In my opinion, global warming is still not proven. Global chaos, maybe. But we haven't been studying the stats long enough to prove either :crazy:

I was told Arctic Cat was formed by someone who originally helped with the designs for Polaris. I could have been informed wrong, but people do tend to put Polaris and Cat in the same category (no offense to either brand). Am I wrong to categorize them as "sister companies" when once upon a time they were similarily designed? It may not be true anymore, but it once was.[/b]



You were sort of well informed. The Heeten brothers had a company called Heeten Hoist and Derrick back in the 50s/ 60s. One of the brothers developed what Polaris now claims was the first sled. (but we all know it was Mr Bombardier...anyway) He changed the name to Polaris NorthStar because people kept asking who Hoist and Derrick were...true story. He later changed the name to Polaris Industries. One of the other brothers (Edgar maybe?), not sure of the names and spellings...sorry, broke off and moved to Thief River Falls and started Artic Industries later Arctic Cat. The rest is......


There's your history lesson for today kids. :D

You were sort of well informed. The Heeten brothers had a company called Heeten Hoist and Derrick back in the 50s/ 60s. One of the brothers developed what Polaris now claims was the first sled. (but we all know it was Mr Bombardier...anyway) He changed the name to Polaris NorthStar because people kept asking who Hoist and Derrick were...true story. He later changed the name to Polaris Industries. One of the other brothers (Edgar maybe?), not sure of the names and spellings...sorry, broke off and moved to Thief River Falls and started Artic Industries later Arctic Cat. The rest is history.
There's you history lesson for today. :D[/b]

Cool! :) Why does Polaris claim to have built the first snowmobile??? They still do that on the DVDs you get when you buy a new one :huh: Bombardier was 20 years ahead of Polaris.

Wow,,,, after 30 minutes of reading this thread, I think my IQ has dropped about 2 points,,, This thread was supposed to be about whether Polaris is dropping out of the sled market,,, In my opinion they are simply putting more time, effort, and research in areas where they will increase their profit. Thats common sense and its done everywhere in business. Does this mean they are dropping the line??? Doubt it, they are moving in the best way posible to improve the big picture.
I also remember reading that everyone starting the rumor about Polaris dropping sleds were arctic cat people,,,, reading back through, I cant seem to find ANY arctic cat people in here who said that Polaris was dropping their sleds,,,, Oh yeah, thats a FACT.
Next I read a nice little slam on the recalls on the 03 firecat compared to the vibration on the polaris 900's. Not every sled is perfect,,, the recalls on MY 03 FIRECAT were taken care of and it really did not take anything away from me, the sled, or riding time,,,, as for the vibration on the 900,,, every person I have talked to say that after riding it a while, you dont notice it. I am also not sure which arctic cat rider here is slamming the looks of the 900 as I cant find that anywhere in this thread either,,, Oh yeah, thats another FACT.

global warming,,,, to me, its involved with politics and I was always taught to stay away from politics and religion as it will lead to conflict,,,, If we want to discuss global warming, lets move it over to the general chit chat area and keep this post open to people wanting to discuss the polaris rumors,,,, Oh yeah, thats another fact.

In other words,,, lets get the thread back on track..... thanks
Brian

Well I went to the sled show in Winnipeg yesterday the big 4 where all in the house and the Polaris sleds look great .....I just can’t see it ..


Rick

Well I went to the sled show in Winnipeg yesterday the big 4 where all in the house and the Polaris sleds look great .....I just can’t see it ..
Rick[/b]

Yeah, They arent giong anywhere, or dropping thier technology, they are just cutting funding to a level where it matches profit.

Anyone knows that in a business if you sell product A that makes twice the money product B makes, then you dont match your funding at 50% for A and 50% for B, You fund for 66% on product A and 33% for product B.

Its like the instant that Polaris cut funding for the sled division people started speculating without thinking about it first.

I know we would like to think that Polaris cares the most about thier snowmobiles but it just isnt true.

Well, that's just depressing regardless of what's going on :( I don't care what anyone says, I love my Fusion and I'm going to enjoy every second I'm on it :)

i hope they don't. that would be a big blow to our sport. to watch the industry go from many to just a few and then to lose one of them would be a sad thing.

I was told Arctic Cat was formed by someone who originally helped with the designs for Polaris.[/b]
never believe a thing you hear especially if someone telling you that HEARD IT. cat was born by the man that started polaris. since then cat has been broke and brought back to life.

never believe a thing you hear especially if someone telling you that HEARD IT. cat was born by the man that started polaris. since then cat has been broke and brought back to life.[/b]
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