: How Many And What Company To Buy From(studs)
10-25-2002, 02:48 PM
I have a 00 MXZ 600 and it's time for studs. Just wondering what company most of u guys run and how many for the 600cc class. I was planning on going with 144 pics either using Saber Warthog xzp or Woody's traction master. (Both are carbide tipped)
Also what kind of backers do u guys run and how do they hold up. thanks for any info!
10-25-2002, 04:41 PM
I would run 120 in that machine myself,this is a choice for your conditions and style.I do however run woodys only.I run 144 in my 700,with allum. backers.you should increase your wear bar carbide as well with studs.
10-25-2002, 09:39 PM
I agree with dooman, woody's. I alos run 144 on my 700, but I use steel backers.
10-25-2002, 09:56 PM
I put 120 in my 700 and going to do the same in my girlfriends 600.
10-26-2002, 01:19 AM
10-26-2002, 09:19 AM
I put 144 up the middle on my old 01 mxz 600, used woodys and didnt have a single problem. They looked brand new after 4000 miles.
10-26-2002, 11:52 AM
120 or 144. I ran 144 in my 700, you could probably use a little less.
ZR Sled Head
10-26-2002, 11:53 AM
If it was mine I would go 96 down the center. I had a 99 MXZ-600 with 120 which to my liking always made it too tight in the corners. I ran 96 in both my 600 and 700 ZR's for thousands of miles with no issue. Used Woodys studs with their backers and your good to go.
10-26-2002, 03:18 PM
unless you run in very icy conditions, i would suggest to go with 1.25 inch track instead. I use to stud and now i find the bigger lug track the way to go, mind you are trails don't get icy just loose snow or fairly packed.
ZR Sled Head
10-26-2002, 05:01 PM
I'm with you on that one Kenny, I rode all last season with no studs on a ZR-800 with that very track. Exceptional traction on everything except ice.
10-26-2002, 07:55 PM
120 right down the middle. Roetin Hornets (expensive though) or Woody's. Use the Fast Trac round plastic backers. I have tried the following studs, and my experience with each:
Roetin: Best around, most expensive
Woody's: Close second, less expensive, they do bend. Never broken one.
Fast Trac: Crap. Break them all the time, loose points, they don't back their warranty very well. They do make awesome backers though...
I have tried aluminum round and square backers, steel round and square, and plastic round and square. Round Fast-Tracs are the best. The square ones are fine too, it just takes more patience when installing them.
10-27-2002, 02:05 PM
So if i go with 120 Roetin hornets and round plastic fast trac backers I should be able to to hook up with no probs. Thanks everyone for your help.
10-27-2002, 02:18 PM
144 up the middle using woodys gold diggers.
10-27-2002, 02:23 PM
So up the middle is the way to go. But do I really need 144 to hook up or is it just added weight.
Also I can get 120 Roetin Hornets And fast trac airlite round plastic backers for a total of $267.45 Sound like a good deal to me. But if woody is the better way to go thats what i'll be doing. Might as well do it right the first time, so keep the pro and cons comin.
10-27-2002, 02:29 PM
I really trust woody studs. Will never put anything else on.
As for do you really need 144. Well No but if your an agressive driver 120 could give you some greif and you might get some pulls. I would rather over stud then understud.
Plus it will make for a much safer ride, with great hookup....
10-27-2002, 02:55 PM
So If I go woody's should I go with the modified Gold digger(very pointy) or the gold digger trail.
10-27-2002, 02:58 PM
Should I run woody's backers as well or stick with the fast trac plastics. I just did a price check and i can get 144 gold digger trail with round alliminum backer for $322.35... Sound Good?
10-27-2002, 03:18 PM
I have a 2001 mxz 600 and put in 120 woodys studs when ot was new i now hav eover 3500 miles on it and they look like new. It gives you good traction and still allows you to turn eaisly.
10-27-2002, 05:06 PM
seems that 144 studs is min for the best of both worlds
trail and performance.. !!! good luck :cussing:
10-27-2002, 05:12 PM
Oh!!! I went with 144 stud boy's with aluminum backers great price through mcb performance..What's your thought???
10-28-2002, 12:13 AM
I have a 02 600 and just had 144 woody's with studboy angled backers. What carbides should I use up front,Ski-doo or Woody's? And also what size 6 inch or 8 inch?
10-28-2002, 09:49 AM
I would use 144 woodys reg. gold diggers or mega bites with alu backers round or square. IMO NEVER use plastic backers I have seen too much track damage I directly attribute to backers flexing & not supporting the stud.
10-28-2002, 04:03 PM
I have 120 Hornets on a MXZ700, and it will lift the skis with no track spin on grass. I have the 1" track (really like .92) and the studs are 1.080".
I also have 96 Woody's Goldiggers in my MXZx 440 with a 1.25" track. The studs are 1.375" (if I remeber correctly). It will spin the track on grass, but hooks up OK. The woody's bend, but I have never broken one.
I have never bent or broken a Roetin stud. They are not the most popular stud (probably due to the price) but I can verify they are very good studs. If you buy them, be careful to check that they are real Roetin's. At a show a few weeks ago, I saw someone trying to sell knock-offs are Roetin. He had them in a plain white box. Real Roetin's come in a box clearly identified as Hornets, and include a track cutter tool.
10-28-2002, 04:11 PM
I would stick with the 6". 8" and above get really difficult to turn. I made the mistake of running 10" once, and while the thing railed around the corners, it really wore out my arms quickly, and it really wasn't a whole lot better than the 6".
That price for Woody's is too high. There is a dealer near me that was selling the woody's goldiggers, with the fast trac backers and nuts, for $1.88 each, plus tax. Normally, they sell them for about $2.23 each.
The reason I went with 120, was I am tired of studs on the edge of the track tearing out. A buddy of mine tried the 120 up the middle on his 700, so I tried it, thinking I could always add more later if I want. I am really happy with it! plus, the added weight of the extra 24 studs just takes more off your top end. I would try the 120 and see how it goes...
10-28-2002, 07:51 PM
never have had a problem with woodys goldiggers.(144) i have also used alum backer plates without a problem, i just recently tried the fast trac air lite backers(plastic) and have not had a problem with them, just dont overtighten them, i have a buddy who had a local shop install his studs and the plastic backers cracked in half because they were overtightened!!!!...and he was the one who talked me into the plastic backers....like i said, i never had a prob....go for it!
10-30-2002, 10:48 AM
Thanks everyone for all ur help it was greatly appreciated.
wow i just bought 96 warthog studs and the saf trac backers or whatever they are for $110 canadain at the snow show i got the template free too
10-31-2002, 02:35 PM
While this is not a poke at anything, if there is one thing I have learned in my life, YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR...
The bitterness of poor quality lingers long after the sweetness of a cheap price is forgotten.
10-31-2002, 04:07 PM
I know a couple of guys that are going to run 96 studs on thier 800 REV X's. I told them it's not enough and stud tearout is a definite possibility. What do you guys think?
I have a 600 HO Rev and thinking about 120. Had 96 on my 2000 mxz 600 and had 1 stud tear out. Man that looked bad on the track. Luckily it didnt trash the track. It was one of the outer ones. Always up the middle from now on.
10-31-2002, 04:34 PM
I have the same sled and was thinking of studding this year as well. I'll probably go with 120. Other than tunnel protectors, is there a concern regarding the heat exchangers near the drive shaft?
Does your sled run lean? What type of oil consumtion do you have? My engine seized up on me in 2001 with approximately 1400 miles. Was riding in the UP at moderate speed (approx 40 miles/hr). Purchased extened warraty through Dealer, however had major obstacles in having them honor their warranty. Bombardier didn't assist in this matter at all, their 12 month warranty had expired.
Has anyone else had a similar situation.
10-31-2002, 09:55 PM
what ever you doo doo not and i mean doo not use saber studs actually if you are going fishing anytime soon you can use them as sinkers becuase that is all they are good for i had them on my machz 3 years ago about 240 of them i lost 17 of them in one ride icalled saber they said it must have been a bad batch so they sent me out new ones and i had to pull the old ones out and put the new ones in i still lost abunch the following ride it wasnt just me i went in with four other people so we would get a good price and it happened to all of us. now i put woodys in my new sled 2002mxzx700 192 of them and i have not lost a single pick and i have 1600 miles on my sled my friend has a cat that is four years old with an insane amount of miles he has only three woodys missing out of his track
11-01-2002, 05:41 PM
The 2000 MXZ 700 I just bought came with 168 studs. Is this too many? The majority seem to run 144 or less. If this is too many can I remove some and just leave the hole?
11-01-2002, 11:20 PM
[B] DOODOO is correct, SABER SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!