How many of you that have picked up your revs have noticed that all of the welds on the A arms are rusting and the pant is flaking off even before you ride it. Anybody else fill their gas tank to find out that the fuel gauge only goes to half. How about the discoloring of the anodize on the X's on the gold ski legs. And what I see as the biggest problem, the fuel tank only holds 10.04 gals., not the 11.4 as advertised. How many people have noticed this and does anybody know if there are any plans to do anything about these issues? ???

What does your dealer have to say?

They that no one else has said anything yet, and they will wait and see if ski-doo comes out with a bulletin. I am just wondering if anybody else has noticed.

Thats funny, I got mine for 3 weeks now in the garage and I dont see any of the problems your mentioning. Not to mention my dealer has one on his front lawn and it sits there all day. There is no rusting or anything.

Maybe you got a Lemon, I would bring that in right away and demand a new machine.

Good luck.

ya know what, i should have done that w/ my 01 mxz. i love that sled.

Looked at 4 rev dealer had out of crates 2 X,s and 2 sports, both X's had discolorization on legs and all had paint chipping and weld rusting? on a arms, plus all only had 10.04 gal fuel tanks! :cussing:

Bobler,

I noticed the paint has flaked off the welds on the A arms on mine as well. Not rusting yet though. Looks like crap. Unacceptable for a new machine.

At the Toronto show yesterday one of the REV's on display had it. Unfortunately I didn't think to say anything. Obviously the E-coat rust proof primer they used isn't up to spec.

REV owners with this problem should email Bombardier on their site immediately.

Louis

If I notice any of this you bet I will be emailing bombi, But I was outside looking again and I just havent seen anything that you discribed, THe a arm paint looks very good and clean. Maybe there was a batch made with defective primer.

Get me a picture of yours if you can and then ill send a message to bombardier to help you guys out.

Did you check out the one at H2O with chrome arms....sweet. Now thats the way Doo should have built em!

The only problem w/ chroming is hydrogen embrittlement can occur at welds. I have read about it in the past & it can cause the weld to break. I'm not really up on it. Maybe LadyK w/ her welding experience knows something about it.

I noticed about the gas tank size, In different magazines they publish two different size tanks. I cant remember the mags but having a smaller tank sucks. Even snowtech said the rev would hold as much gas as ski doo said it would hold.

I have three Rev's (two HO's and one 800) in my basement right now and all three have paint chipping from the welds on the a-arms. Not cool. We have not put gas in them to find out about the gas gauge. That's perfect! I guess we will be talking with the dealer.

what did you guys expect!!!!!???? ITS A FIRST YEAR SLED! but its still unaccetable and it would #### me off extremely if i owned one.

Someone has to step up and buy them! If everyone took the same stance as you, how would the machines get better? I am not real happy about it and digs like "what did you expect" don't help.

I bought a first year 700sx and never had a problem and I bought a first year mxz800 and I never had a problem. And the next time I buy a sled it will probaly be a first year sled. And for that phrase "what do u expect"? Quality. But all four manufactures do take short cuts to keep the cost of the sled down to the consumer. I would personaly have my sled weight 20lbs more and not have things break or bend.

sledcrazy, Little harsh don't you think? Try putting yourself in their shoes for even just a second before posting something like that.............Rick. :( :angry:

what did you guys expect!...ITS A FIRST YEAR SLED!

Can't believe you even said that. So this is the best we can expect out of a billion-dollar corporation? Inadequate testing of new products? Do their trains and planes fall under these same guidelines? I would hope not.
Unfortunately, tho, I think you are right. This is what you have to expect. It's all about money. It's more economical to push the sled out and deal with problems later than test for 10 years and deliver a perfect product. It's all business. Money is the root of all evil.

about the tank,refer to the fine print in all sales litature.the other problems should be fixed if they do exist.

Originally posted by Machzzzz1@Oct 28 2002, 10:38 AM
Get me a picture of yours if you can and then ill send a message to bombardier to help you guys out.
Could you pass along the email address that you use to email Ski-doo? I'd like to email them my thoughts on the REV too. I'll be ordering a new sled next spring & not entirely sure what I'll get

another ZX based MXZ 600

or ZX Legend if no more ZX MXZs

REV based Legend if there is one

REV MXZ 600

Maybe I'll start a poll & you guys can decide for me :D

Excuse me Rev.......AH Mr. Rev, I couldn't help but notice there are no A/C's on your wish list.

REVRND Just go to www.skidoo.com then enter there site. Click about us and click contact us.

They normally take less then a day to respond.

machzzzz1,they respond with the same letter to everyone.

Not really. THey have forums but they do change it.

What do you expect. They probably have close to 500 letters a day. At least your getting an answer.

About the gas tank size,some times the dealer will put 1 or 2 gallons in to test run the sled before you get it. Was there any gas in the tank when you picked up the sled?

I hate to say it but ALL (ok, almost all) first year sleds seem to have major problems that they work out the next year. It is just a risk of having the latest product. It's not necessarily bad, it is just the way it is with sleds. It's all of the manufacturers too. I would never buy a first year sled as I can't mentally deal with forking over huge amounts of cash and having problems. I'm just a wimp in that regard. I want to ride not wrench! I am thankful that my Mach has been reliable so far. Generally though, the Revs should be great sleds!

The Rev still is a great sled. Were talking about a cosmetic problem paint flaking around the welds.

However my REV has none of the problems anyone is speaking about.

But i think that the Fuel tank will be the size suggested by bombardier, and that the fuel gauge will work even though I have an electric fuel gauge so im probably not affected.

I sent bombi an email to get there stand on the subject and will post there responce. However I know that im in good hands and if any problems do turn out that bombardier will fix them and have me on my way.

That is 50% the reason I only buy bombardier.

Guys, im not trying to bash you and make fun of you, im just saying that you should have been prepared. I mean Arctic Cat is having problems w/ the firecats, and yammi will probly have them w/ the RX1. thats the only reason i didnt place a REV on spring order. I just hope you guys all have some backup sleds!

Look at the Viper problems from last year too. Fuel pumps freezing up, cooling issues & complaints about the rear skid calibration.

I think every new sled design has teething problems. It is harder to rack up the miles in a winter especially last year for testing.

At GM's Milford MI Proving Grounds, cars & trucks are driven 7/24. They stop for gas & the maintenance as per schedule. each driver drives for 8 hours.

Around 12 years ago I saw the cycles a typical pickup was subjected to.

City/suburban use, all pavement roads (good condition). Light load in box

Highway use, interstate & highway pavement medium load

Rural use, rough pavement, gravel roads, load in box to exceed rated GVW.

Anyone have any idea how the sleds are tested?

The way I found out about the size of the fuel tank is, believe it or not I was reading the owners manual and in the back in the specs it stated 10.04 gals, and this caught my attention because one of the reasons I bought this sled was for a larger tank than the 10.6 gal of my 2002 mxzx 800 that I ran out of fuel on, on three diff occassions trying to go as far as my riding budies, 95 miles. After seeing the spec, I drained the fuel that the dealer had installed and filled it myself to find out I could only get in 9.5 +or- gals in before it came out the overflow. The spec in the owners manual seems to be right, but all the advertised amounts are incorrect.

Originally posted by dooman@Oct 28 2002, 03:50 PM
about the tank,refer to the fine print in all sales litature.
Meaning they reserve the right to make changes etc, w/o any obligations.

I got the responce back from bombardier.

To sum it up they said they didn't know what I was talking about. They said that they have never heard of any A-arm paint flaking problem, And that the Gas tanks are 11.4 gallons not the 10.4. As for the fuel gauge issue they said that they also never had or heard of this problem.

However if we do experiance these problems talk to the dealer and they will contact the manufactor to resolve the issue.

Well I agree with them. I have absoultly none of the problems mentioned, and neither does my friend who just bought a 007 bond sled.

Maybe you just got a bad apple or maybe somthing during accembly cause the gauge not to work.

But as for the 10.4 gallons you read in the manual, Misprint.

Try filling your tank after you empty it, and see what you come up with, I am a former bombardier mech and I am not loosing my mind, at least I don't think I am.

Even though this isnt as accurate. I have seen the tank for the REV and it looks much bigger then a ZX tank. The tank is accually under the seat. Its a miss print in the book. If it was only 10.4 bombardier would definitly say so because thats a major diffrence.

Does 11.4 U.S. gallons = 10.4 Imperial gallons?

11.4 US gallons = 9.49 Imperial gallons.

So i guess thats not the problem... :D

I saw a new James Bond edition on display about 3 weeks ago and I pointed out the paint missing on the A-arms to a friend. That was well before I read this thread.

i think in the issue of snotech the 4000 mile test on the rev that they stated they could not fit the amount of gas that bombi said

Read this post this morning, went and checked mine and called my friends. Guess what all 6 sleds have the paint chiping/peeling. :cussing: Called my dealer and they checked the sleds that are on the floor, same problem. Dealer called DOO and they where told the problem is being caused by the type of welding rod that was used and Doo is not going to do anything about it.

Unacceptable !!!!!!!!!! :cussing:

Called Doo myself ( 715 ) 848-4957 got a refference # and was asked to E-mail some digtal pictures to info@ski-doo.com and in include the refference # in E-mail. Customer rep. that i talked to stated they have had many calls about this.


As far as the tank, i have never been able to fit the amount of fuel that DOO says u can, always been a gallon less.

No discoloring of the spindles on our 6 sleds.

Originally posted by 03REVX6@Oct 29 2002, 10:56 PM
they where told the problem is being caused by the type of welding rod that was used and Doo is not going to do anything about it.
* * *

I don't buy that. It would appear that the surface prep before painting or powder coating sucked. Any oils left on the steel before painting will mess up the paint job. I can't see how what rod they used would affect paint adhesion. Also on a mass production scale the A arms are probably mig welded. In that case the term was used incorrectly.

Anyone want to bring back that messed up tunnel topic from last winter? :devil: :D Lot's of welding comments there.

Anyway, go after them guys !!! !!! :thumbsup:

Originally posted by mxz21@Oct 28 2002, 01:58 PM
Someone has to step up and buy them! If everyone took the same stance as you, how would the machines get better?
Hey I appreciate you guys!!! :)

Revrnd,

I agree with u 110%

I am going to E-mail the pictures and go from there. Hopefully I/we can get this corrected. The more people that complain the better. ???

I think you should just go to your dealer to have thes things taken care of. They can't do anything about the gas tank volume, but I'm thinking that the other stuff will be taken care of. As far as the anodizing, I think that was a bad idea in the first place. It's a large area that is prone to dings and scratches anyway. If I were you (and I will be doing this when my wife 600HO gets here) I'd take the arms off and get them hardcoated. It's a translucent grey color that won't look out of place. I think the gold is out of place myself. I still think Doo is the best at fit and finish and they are definitely the best at customer service. Even if it sometimes feels like they aren't. JMHO

By the way...Good Luck!!! Stay on it guys, they will fix it! ;)

Did anybody else try emptying there tanks and then filling them. Maybe they are 11.4 gal tanks (I don't think so) but on my sled I can only get 9.5 gals in it period.

I got my REV X 800 last weekend...

The front shocks vibrate sometimes when idling and there is some paint scaling right on the welds on the A-arms as already mentioned by other people. Took a good look at all the welds that I could see... very impressed!!

I fueled it up last night ... used Jerry cans so it was hard to tell what the real fuel volume was. Fuel guage went up to just over half when it was full... I put the fuel cap on and then jumped on the machine and "bounced" it and then the guage jumped to full. Looked like something was binding? Maybe because it has never moved thru its full motion yet?
A warning... don't sit on the machine when the tank is full and the cap is off!! The tank flexes a bit and it will spill over!

The anodization on the spindles look real good on my machine.

After fueling it, I started to polish some of the machine... what do you guys recommend using to polishing the windscreen?

Use Lemon Pledge on your whole machine even the windsheild. Makes it look unreal.

Can someone post pictures of the problem so i know what to look for when i get mine.
Thanks

Just the lemon pledge that comes in the spray can... the furniture polish stuff? Never would have thought of that.

Here is a pic of my "paint issue". I circled it... kinda hard to make out (I hadnt even noticed it when I took the picture so I didnt focus on it) but you can kinda make it out.

I use the lemon pledge (Yes the furniture polish stuff) in the spray bottle. (Like windex comes in.) Set the nossle for mist and just use a little on a area. Then with a good cloth really buff it. It turns out unreal. And it will take away minor scratches from the windsheild and just make it as black as can be. If thats the color of your wind sheild.

Yes that is the chipping or flaking I was talking about, I also notice that your ski legs don't have the severe discolorization that I have seen on other x's. My ski legs are ok but I have seen 3 others at the dealer that were badly discolored. How about the size of your tank, did you check it before we all get disappointed and run out on the trail miles from nowhere? I was able to fix my own gas guage by removeing it and straightening the 2 slide rods. It appears as if when the guage was inserted into the rubber bushing it was put in at an angle causing it to bind up at a half tank reading.

Ok. I siffend all the gas I could out of the tank. Even lifted the back of the sled up to get all the fuel out.

Took it to the gas station on trailer i put 42.5L in to the tank. If my calculations are correct thats 11.2273 Us Gallons. Now that is a bit short but there could have been a little gas left in the tank. Also maybe the angle of it on the trailer caused it to get like that.

So I got .5 liters less then what bombardier says will go in and there was no way i was going to get anymore in without overfilling. I think there right on and we have nothing to worry about.

I looked on my sled where you said the a arms were flaking and theres nothing. Looks real clean and good. And my fuel gauge both digital and mechanical both went to full smoothly.

:)

Ok, if thats the case maybe just maybe there is a possibility that there is something wrong with the formation or molding of some tanks, I plan on removing my tank from the sled and triple checking because something is just not correct.

Thats weird.

Are you sure you got all the gas out.

That is the only part that I'm not 100% sure of, the way I drained it was by disconnecting the fuel line on the lower right hand side of the tank, connecting a hose to it and draining into a gas can, moved the sled up and down to make sure all fuel was out, It appeared to be. That is why I am considering takeing tank off and turning up side down. I've checked three times, all with same result, would have never even checked if it weren't for the specs in the back of the owners manual.

When I started to check the gauges on my sleds, I got a 1 gallon can & added gas a gallon at a time. I noted where the needle was after each gallon was added. That way you'll know for sure how much gas you added.

No I didnt measure my tank's capacity... the dealer had already had some fuel in it when I got it.

I tried the lemon pledge on my 96 MXZ... wow.. it does work real well and so much easier than using a car wax like I have been doing. Thanks for the tip!

Do any of you guys put plates on your machines? I can't find a good place to put mine because the tunnel reinforcment bracket is in the way.

How much would it cost to have the arms and the other parts powder coated??

Close up of my chips

there is paint "chipping" on the A arms - it seems like a small matter to me --- after a week of riding they were going to look that way anyway- but for the sled to be perfect it should have been fixed at the factory

I filled my tank and my gas gauge works fine.

I put in 10.9 gals US and I was a couple inches from the top of the filler tube with a small amount of fuel in the tank to start with... so It would have been well over 11 US.


BTW- Is the gas gauge supposed to be lighted or is it just glow-in-the-dark???


no discoloration on my a-arms (I am assuming you are talking about the X sleds with the “yellow” anodized spindles, etc.?)

in any event if you are not satisfied I would go to your dealer and demand that it be made right – I gotta believe they will fix everything that needs repair promptly and with a smile!

Good luck

Just glow in the dark for the gas guage.

thanks REV --- at least now I know I don't have a problem...

but glow-in-the-dark for 8500$ that sucks!

i am thankful it isn't a guage-in-the-cap those make your sled look like a lawn-mower!

I hear ya on the lawnmower gas cap.

If your thinking the tank is too small look into tourbuddy.com. I ordered the 1.8 gal addon tank for cheap insurance.

Some just ain't right, emptied tank, took tank off, shook it out completely, refilled, just under 10 gals of capacity, either something wrong with my tank or somebody ain't telling the truth

Spoke with Ski-doo today, 11/5, said they would replace the arm's but the new ones will have the same problem, they are working on a fix, but have none as of today ???



P.S. BOBLERIII where in CT u from ?

barkhamsted

Any new info on this a- arm problem? I looked at a dozen revs at my dealer yesterday all had this problem...including mine:(

I have the same a- arm problem and I will let you know about the gas next fill ! Pisses me off !!! I'll be e-mailing doo very soon !

Hey,
now that you mention it, I notice that mine is chipping and rusting also! This sucks!!!
Time to raise hell boys!

What A-ARM problem?

Do you mean the paint flaking off the welds?

If so, I am told the welds were not cleaned properly before painting so the paint isn’t sticking, no problem with the welds though.

I did a quick scrub with some steel wool and hit it with black satin paint. Viola – like new! (Oh yeah it is new…)

Cost $4.75 for the paint and it was quicker than taking it to the dealer... (I agree it should not of happened, but compared to the problems I have been hearing about the F7, I can handle some flaking paint…)

Not is there another A-ARM problem I am unaware of? If so please let me know!

Thanks-

Originally posted by idooski@Oct 30 2002, 07:27 AM
If I were you (and I will be doing this when my wife 600HO gets here) I'd take the arms off and get them hardcoated. It's a translucent grey color that won't look out of place.


Not a chance! NO-WAY! NEVER!

I paid almost $9,200 for my REV-X and the paint shouldn't be flaking off.
Wee need to stay on ski-doo like "ugly on ape!"
The squeeky wheel gets the grease boys.
My bud called them every day when they had that clutch recall a few years back. They told him they didn't have any new ones to send him and they were back-ordered. After a doz. calls or so, the lady finaly told him that they had a "special stash" of new clutches. They used them for people just like him that were relentless (just to get them off their backs). So...while others were sitting and watching the snow flakes fall, my bud was on the trail!

No that was it, it just looks crappy. I wonder if your paint will stick any better.
you are right it is a small deal I didn't mean to make it sound bigger

Good post Trapper.

Ski-doo sent me a relpy to my e-mail I sent yesterday. They said they would have a customer rep. give me a call and issued me a complaint #.
I had a couple of guys on Trail Conditions.com tell me that "it's not rust". They say that the welds are nickel plated and that is what your seeing.

Trapper

why not save your efforts for something important?? If we all start having engine problems or suspension woes, then it will be time to complain...

paint flaking ain't it for me... if the REV works as advertised I will be a satisfied SD rider. (I never owned a Doo b4)

i buy a new sled every year, and each one of them has some minor problems... paint chipping is pretty low on the list...

unless you gotta lot of free time -- I would save the energy for a big fight... and hopefully their won't be any of those for REV riders!

I'm just happy I'm not an F7 guy... sounds like some of those folks are getting to know their reps all too well...

But I do think it speaks very well for Doo and the REV that the biggest problem we are talking about is flaking paint!

AAJMO! :D

Have a great season... just 6 more days!

AMEN Viper ER2 :thumbsup:

Perfectly said ViperER2. If it gets really bad just do what he did and get a little paint and touch it up.

When you feel how the sled performs you wont care about it. And its so small that no one will even notice it once your on the trails anyway.

As long as it doesnt effect the function of the machine im happy with it.

For a first year sled if thats all we have to worry about then im really happy.