I just was reading SUPERTRAX magazine and read somthing that caused me to go faint.

The Moms boy that wrote that arctical is now on my person with the most needed ### kicking list.

THis is his arcticle.

PROS: Velvety smooth Rotax power extrudes through a TRA calibrated by Geniuses. Radar speeds in excess of 120 per with minimal fiddling.

Ok that wasnt bad, Infact that was a much desirved review of the mach that has been getting nothing but crap from the mags since it first came out.

BUT THEN.

CONS: LOOKS LIKE A 90's HYUNDAI. Weighs as much as a THIRD WORLD TAXI. And has the Handling Prowness of a BUICK ROADMASTER..

THen they called the CK3 Out dated in 98. Then they say that the 809 triple produces power that gets our attention on lakes but for everything else theres a REV.

That is a total BS review. IMO the Mach is one of the best looking machines out there. And it handles pretty good compaired to other machines in its class. Sure if you compair it to a REV it may not be the best but against a XCR or RX-1 its right up there.


http://www.skidoo.com/SkiDoo2003/web/html/archives/media2001/action_shots/ac_machstd800y_400.jpg

And a Hyundai. Yeah right.

http://autos.msn.com/merismus/Summary/q434812a.jpg

I'm with you buddy.

But thats the kind of crap that apparently sells mags.


I'll hold him down, and you hit him. :p

Better yet, we can get Snowmonkey to sit on him. ;)

LMAO fish hog.You don't want to kill the poor fella though.
Must be one of those 4-stroke supporters ehhh machzzz1 ;)

Well I read more of his reviews and nomatter the machine if it has a triple in it he makes fun of it.

And yes he does seem to give 4 strokes a little bit of a break. But he was hard on the RX-1.

But this Mach review HURTS.

its not that they are picking on tripples,there has been no money spent on the tripples for a few years now and they are all heavy and outdated,put a machz motor in a zx and you have the potential for a great sled,i love the 800 3x3 motor but the ck3 is a big dinasaur,put some miles on your new rev,and when it comes to a big trip you will not want to ride the ck3 anymore,same with the xcr,great motor terrible chasis and handling,im glad this issue actually stated what they think of each machine instead of lying and sugar coating everything

lol i get a kick out of this..... i have tried out the zx in fact i had ordered a 800zx then cancled it after i had tried it out. its not for me the bars are just to small or something but i would run any zx from timmins to kap or what ever no problem at all.......lol. i realy do enjoy the handling and ride of the ck. but then again its not for boyz....................lmao

"Not for Boyz" Got that right.

Just for men that are trying to make up for a lack of something else in another department :0: :p

Machz69 you hit the nail on the head! It is a man's machine! Granted, it's not a ditch banger, but I will challenge any ZX,ZR,ProX, and what ever to any tight twisty trail out there.
Out dated, I'am sick to death of hearing that! The mag's and manufactures cant admit that the chassi is as good as it get's, just that people got to have something different every year. I really dont think the triple would be any better in a ZX chassi, infact, it might be slower!
What sled do you see at the ashpalt drags? CK-3. Who holds more speed records? CK-3. Who dominates grass and ice drags? CK-3. One reason you see this chassi is if the 809 were in a light flimisy chassi it would twist the frame like a screw and or go into the air like a race boat.
Yes, this is all go fast stuff, but she also handles quite well with the proper setup like a coupled suspention and percision ski's. :thumbsup:

its a mans sled???lol give me a break,last year a guy we were riding with decided to try to keep up to us on a rutted up trail on his machz...25 miles later both front bolts for rear suspension had snapped also broke his front shock tower,yes its fast but it has a 800 3x3,ive riden the ck3 ..its a tank and does not handle like a zx,sure all these challenges on long wide straight trails are suited for the big 3x3,put a few bumps and add some powder and goodbye 3x3,i myself would love a 800 3x3 in a zx around 500lbs,but not in the outdated heavy poor handling ck3

This topic,in particular the way the mags rate and belittle the machs has been a thorn to me. Each year they say they are the heaviest tanks on snow or the heaviest single seat sleds on the planet,and each year at the shoot out with the same gallonage of fuel and oil they are tied for the lightest or have been the lightest,but never any mention of that. I guess ski doo didnt spend as much on advertising as (the lightest) guys did. :angry:

yup thats the way i see to guys. i have seen in shoot outs they bring in the numbers for the thunder and the srx to compare to the twin world but they never show the shoot out champ of all time the machz it has won just about every shoot out out there but never gets credit. and panterone what in the h*** are you talking about.....lol i live in timmins i ride in cochran all the time what trails are u talking about?? what year of a mach are comparing to? if its anything fairly new it has the same rear skid as yours. then u say ditch banging.what ditches??,,,,lol if thats all u do then your gonna get showed up real bad by the rev. i look foward to come ride with you ....just to see if could keep up..........lol

I'm up for a ride with some mach's. :devil:

Sorry guys But I have to agree with that review. Great motor but the biggest tank I ever owned. Very comfortable just dont try and ride it in the rough or tight trails at speed.

It's ok Machzzzz1 every sled has a turn in the bashing barrel in those dam magazines. you just gotta move on haha :p

I have owed 3 machs and the Magazine aricle hit the nail on the head! The only thing the Mach is good for is lake racing and smooth long groomed trails. Anybody that doesn't agree with this has never riden one of these tanks in Michigans upper pen. on a busy weekend after the trails were trashed.

Last ride I ever took on my Z was on the worst trails I have ever ridden. After trailing the pack all day one of my buds made me ride his 02 800mxzX. All I can say is "Sweet Jesus" I finished out the day, took my mach home and sold it!

Sure, I was able to keep up with my buddies (all of them on mxzX's except another Mach) but it beat the living Sh*t outta me. Riding the mxz was effortless! I wouldn't of believed it in a million years. If any of you remember me as "Mighty Mach", I was as big of a proponent of the mach as Machzzzz1. But I have seen the light, or should I say, I have felt the ride.

machz69 it was 2001 machz,i like the trail in back of the cache(kenass...sp? lake)its a tight twisty power line,trail goes to mattagami reserve...id like to see a machz keep up,the machz is a good trial sled on long wide open runs,but thats where it ends,ck3 lovers are a minority,just because they put a sc3 on it and precision skis does not make it a great sled,it is still a dino!!!bottom line is this can go on for pages,buy whats best for your TYPE of riding,but dont get so defensive about the truth,heck i still know guys who think the prs chasis is the best handling ?and ive put on quite a few miles on a ck3(mach1)it does not handle like a zx.....period

well said mighty :p

I love the machz on a long strait or out on the lake,but when you get it in the rough tight stuff and try to keep up with someone on a lighter sled forget it it's a pure backbreaker.But i'd sacrifice the ride for totaly crushing those same sleds on the straitaways,you cant have your cake and eat it to.

Every now & then the mags especially those from central Ontario go on a theme. First it was triples & everyone had a triple. Remember the XLT & F3? "They" talked them up & everyone bought one. Then Polaris came out w/ the 600 twin & "they" loved them & everyone bought a twin. Now "they" said that triple were junk & nobody bought them.

A lot of people figure these guys are gods. I'd like to know who crowned them? I've said before that I've been involved w/ snowmobiling since '69 but I sure don't think I'd want people to take what I say as the gospel.

It would be interesting to know what "they" did before they got into the magazine business & how long they've been sledding. Those are 2 things I've never seen them mention.

Originally posted by Machzzzz1@Oct 29 2002, 01:39 PM





CONS: LOOKS LIKE A 90's HYUNDAI. Weighs as much as a THIRD WORLD TAXI. And has the Handling Prowness of a BUICK ROADMASTER..





Sorry guys, but that is one of the funniest things I have ever read :D I was laughing so hard I squirt a tear!!

I agree rev that some of the people testing and writing about the sleds are journalists.Same goes with all these automotive reviewers as well,they say a car is crap just because they don't like where the cup holders are :angry: I find supertraxx is trying to go for a edgey new look and attitude with all there smart a$$ statements.The only guys articles who i even take seriously in that mag in C J Ramstad.That man has been around sleds a long time and his articles are pleasant to read.

From what I saw, the article didn't trash the 809, It seems they sung its praises which they should have. I still believe it is the most potent triple out there even over the T-cats 1000 and coming in 200 cc's smalller. I'm not saying motor for motor it's more potent, I mean considering it's giving up 200 cc's it's a heelava motor. Imagine if it was 1000 cc's, bye bye!

The chassis is the problem. Riding the mxzx I could tell that the 800 twin didn't come close to matching the brute power of the 809 but I'll be damned if I couldn't shake those #######s. I figured it was because of the lighter weight, while they floated on the surface I would sink. Now a really hard pack road was a different story :D

I know what you mean Mighty, I agree fully that when the trail gets rought, get off it with the CK3. The Zx lives for that the CK3 will beat the crap out of you.

However on groomed trails twisty or straite the Mach will handle just as good with presision skis. Infact i have gone around corners with no skilift well my buddy on his zx had a good half a foot of day light under his.

I dont like the twitchyness of the ZX at high speeds, I think it darts unless its absoulty set up perfect, however snow conditions will require you to change.

The Mach can be driven with one hand at speeds 150 and under, It has very good trail sled manners.

One thing which I like about the Ck3 is that when your driving you sit lower and farther back on the sled. The ZX makes you feel like your up on the tank and at high speeds such as 170 if you hit a pressure crack or a little 1/2 foot snow bank i have no dought you will be thrown over the machine however on the ck3 i think it would buck over it.

When it comes to chassies i have more wheel hours on the ZX. I have close to 16000KM on ZX chassie sleds and around 3000 on CK3 sleds.

I went from a ZX to CK3 and love it. And with the 809 upfront its nothing but smiles all day long.

its all in rideing style! we ride with a kid who has a tweaked out mach and thers not a person out of 10 guys that can see his tail light.

Long Live The King!!!!!!! MachZ's For EveryOne!!
Caleb

And the king will LIVE.. :D :D

I agree machzzzz1, if the trails are long winedy and smooth you can't beat the stability of the mach at speed. It's when it gets rough. The last mach I had was a 99 and I rode it for 3 years. Out of all that time it wasn't until the last trip I took with it that I ran into those horrible trail conditions.

I like the idea of the sc-10III rear skid for 03 but you still have to contend with the old front end.

People are quick to forget the purpous of the mach, straight line Haulin A** :devil:

Your right its the front end of the Mach that hurts it. It needs a A arm front suspention like the Rev. LOL

i'm sure the guys that criticize own a harley or want one, if we remember harleys 20 years ago then you will know what i am talking about. it seems that some people cut the cloth to fit the table.

i really couldent say anything about the mach except for its wild power because i dont have much seat time on one, but i know i liked it. :devil:

panterone ill take u up on that offer..... we have a cottage at the cache and ride trail on a regular basis....lol...all im saying is what are we talking here?off trails or of groomed trails. i live in northern ontario and all the trails are about the same. now if your trail system is like a sno x then its the rev u need. sell the mxz........lol. now if get down to a bunny trail that we are talking then its down to rider and lets face it even a phazer can keep up when the max speed is 35mph.what i am saying is all in all around here u will get more trails suited for the big tripples. anything less guess whos buying the first round........hehehe :devil: :D :p

mighty here is the thing im having trouble with...lol when u had the mach u could not be convinced ... now u have bought the rx1( personaly i like it )but the fact remains that it has by far the worst rear skid in the buisness and the most weight. now how do u figure the u had to sell the mach cause of the ride and yet buy the rx1 with way worse? ;) :D :p

Hi Ski-D00 men!


if you don't like your Mach-z handling, you can always do something to uprade it!
First,calibrate your front and rear suspension,try different set-up and note what it happen! After, have always a good set of carbide runner,it is very important to have maximum control,security and hadling.And after all ,you have not the handling you will like to have, try a lighter Doo (location or a friend) and try to calibrate front and rear suspension to your style!
After you could think to buy a new sled!!!


:D Bye Z36QC!

machz69, panteraone and I are at Kenogamisea quit a bit in the winter,father inlaw has a cottage their also, (love the powerline) We will have to meet up at post 392 and go riding for the day.
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Anyone try a BLT kit on the mach to help improve the handling? How about an expert X skid. I once rode a tcat with both of these and it was simply the best sled i have ever driven. Thinking about doing the same with the machz. any opinions?

I love all this talk about the Machs, I've got two of em, a '97 with a BLT front end, and M10 rear, and a MH99 with the MBRP widening kit. I have a couple of MXZx440's and for trail riding the machs are always my first choice.

First off; I never complained about the handling, the ride is what sucked. As far as widening, that doesn't do anything for travel.

Second, I believe the RX-1 will ride 10 times better than the CK-3. I had the oportunity to see one in action last winter. It was coming around a wide bend of a horrible trail, the front a-arms were bouncing up and down and really doing their job, the rider was hardly being rocked. Right behind it was a couple Polaris xc's and those guys were being bounced all over the place.

As far as the rear goes, you may be correct. But after talking to a couple Yamaha Techs, they think I need to give it a try before I switch rear skids (I was gonna install an expert edge). They claim the new rear shock That they put in at the last minute will really smooth out the ride.

machz69....cool that you have a cottage at the lake,im sure you know a few of the guys out there,i would like to do a good ride with you one weekend that we go down, ill drop you a line before we go,and hopefully we can hook up,same if you come up to cochrane let me know ahead of time and we can hook up and can show you some of the ditchs and off trail that i love...keep in touch :p ill go easy on you :thumbsup:

lol.........not much into ditchs but i will let u know when i do go up that way... u play in the ditchs and ill play on the trails....... :p

:p

freezerburnt...that would be very nice :p

Machzzzz1, take no offense to all the hype these new sleds are receiving.Hats off to cat,yamaha,and skidoo for the millions spent on r+d.Launching these sleds in 2003 will make this year the most exciting and memorable snowmobile year to date. Wouldn't it be doing a real diservice to the sport if snowtech had the 2003 machz on the cover of their last issue instead of the new rev?Not to mention the mag wouln't sell which in return would hurt the publishers and company financialy.So keep pumping up these new sleds, it's great for our sport and I hope it will take it to new heights.I can hardly wait to take all these new sleds for a ride and then decide who is the true winner.I have a new sled arriving soon which will keep these new sleds honest and yes you guessed it Machzzzz1, it's a 2003 mach z!

I say BS! Dont get me wrong, all these new sleds are sweet sleds. Pumped full of R&D dollars, new technology, and most of all advertising and promotion. The problem is I dont believe thesenew sleds are really what consumers want. Why dont they give us a real engine stuffed inside a REV chassis and something diffrent. Anything besides these "lightweight twins". For that reason I think "our" sport is going downhill. Just my opinion of course. :)

good point bigdude,i wish they put the time and money into a tripple that they spend on a twin,i want to buy a new sled in 2005,im anxious for the future because of the choices that will be availiable,i hoping for a 500 pound tripple,it can be done but will they do it,i dont want the one dimensional CK3 chasis,oh well 3 more years to find out :p