who will win in a 660' foot drag race. Both machines being stock.

Highlander were inCape Breton are goning to find a stock
mach-z !! Every Doo boy down here has got the Crank Shops
phone # on speed dail.Thats way they call the Cape Breton
stock.

It'll take Machzzzz1 about 15 minutes to find this thread and explain to us that the Mach would have to pull 2 plug wires off just so the F7 could still read the Mach's snow flap. :p

You got that right. But I still would like to know who would win.

I would have to think the MachZ, but there's only one way to find out. The F7 isn't supposed to be the quickest in the AC stable, but from what we're hearing it's pretty quick. I would hope the ZR900 is quicker and faster since AC is promoting it that way. Hopefully there will be a few of each this Sunday at the grass drags in Capac, MI.

F7 all the way..........you will all see this winter how fast they really are.

Sled-head, I'd love for that to be true. The F7 does have an amazing weight:horsepower ratio . . .

Stock for stock (no tinkering), the F7 will definitely surprise most big bores. I've seen and run against one with my trail modified Mach 1 for 500' and my sled isn't a slowpoke or detuned.
Just my experience against this sled !

I'll let u know this winter how a zr900 does against a machz buddy of mine just picked his up already planning the drags :)

Well soon enough all the keyboard racing will stop and the real racing will begin :D

I think the SRX will win :sly:

If someone can really get a mach to hookup, I'll take the mach. Most likely the f-7 in a short run with the Triple walking it on top.

I'd like to know where all these MachZ eating SRX's were the past few years. All I can tell you is I never lost to one. I've had them take me from the start only to reel them in as my 99 began to stretch her legs.

mighty careful now that is almost on the line of bashing your own new found colours.............lol :sly: :p ;)

Originally posted by Bone Daddy@Nov 11 2002, 09:42 PM
I think the SRX will win :sly:
Funny. :D

Will the MachZ beat the F-7, what kind of a question is that??
That is a no brainer, A 156 H.P. screami'n triple against a wimpie 130 something H.P. twin :doh:
The F-7 was at our local drags again this weekend for somemore laughs! Another A.C. from the Wisconson plant an 800 ZRT was there also, now I used to think they were a fast sled until it lined up with 4 stock MachZ's and got beat by no less than 6 sleds! Hehe!
My cat buddy's thought it was a 600 until I went up and look at it and they were so pissed that Skidoo was beating everything they left! wha-wha-wha!
The Machz has to be set up right for traction with that much power or a 600 will beat it.... :sarcasm:

69, there's still plenty of Yellow in my blood! The SRX is a great sled for a 700, But I'll take my MightyMach any day!

Highlander,we were at Tim`s Monday morning and wild Bill was
flaging for a 900 twin and Mach-Z on Sat on the highland road.
I hate to give in the Mach pulled him in a 1000 ft.Temp was around
50+ snow was soft and any way you slice he got beat.Wild Bill said he was
from your neck of the woods.If so get this version , cause bottom line
don`t go to a gun fight with a knife!If he was not set up(clutching,jetting,ect)
don`t be pulling t
he trigger. Bye the way F-7 all the way!!!
Cape Breton stock...............

Originally posted by Mikadoo@Nov 12 2002, 12:46 AM
Will the MachZ beat the F-7, what kind of a question is that??
That is a no brainer, A 156 H.P. screami'n triple against a wimpie 130 something H.P. twin :doh:
The F-7 was at our local drags again this weekend for somemore laughs! What a hunk of $--t, it could JUST beat 600 MXZ's most of the time and to say 'will the F-7 beat a MachZ' is an insult to the Mach!
Another A.C. from the Wisconson plant an 800 ZRT was there also, now I used to think they were a fast sled until it lined up with 4 stock MachZ's and got beat by no less than 6 sleds! Hehe!
My cat buddy's thought it was a 600 until I went up and look at it and they were so pissed that Skidoo was beating everything they left! wha-wha-wha!
The Machz has to be set up right for traction with that much power or a 600 will beat it.... :sarcasm:
That 800 ZRT must have been running on 2 cylinders, I havn't been beat! :hallo1:

A MachZ can beat a thundercat and now ZRT's are beating them. Please.

Every year I hear about the new crop of hyped up sleds to beat the Mach. Some Magazines come plain out and say other sleds are faster. But I have yet to see anything pose a real threat.

With the F7 its all about power to win, With the Mach it all about Hook up. Like a few have said before, It the Mach gets hook up nothing will touch it.

OH, And honestly last year a plug wire fell of my mach because I didnt put it on properly, It ran Identical to my buddies 2000 500MXZ. I kept wondering why I couldnt pull on him. The engine didnt even miss a beat. COuldnt have told I lost a wire until i idled it. But i pluged it back on, cleared it out and shot past him on the next straite.

lmao....damn come on now lets keep it real....lol im not in no way knocking any sleds here but there is no way that a zrt8 and that is any year going to run with a machz.as we all know that most thunder ridders realy hate to admit to it but some will that the machz is the fastest production sled. now some will say it wont beat mine cause mine is clutched and so on all i can say is u realy have to be on your tcat and have her dialed right in to beat an average machz. im sorry if this offends you but this is why i did change brands .......cause u just cant catch a chicken....lol :devil: :p :p :p :hallo1:

Apparently I'm out of the ring. What size engine does a F7 have??? I've heard a lot about them, but never heard what they run. :)

:blahblah:
YEA!!! RIGHT!!!!!!!It really doesn't matter, I ride for fun, why do you do guys always blow a gasket!!
yOU CRACK ME UP :blahblah:

ZRT I think we all ride for fun. But the Mach has always beat the 800zrt and will take a 1000 T-cat.

These are facts. If you dont belive me go ride a Mach.

Come on now boys take it easy, stock to stock, $&^&*TO U^%$
It's all in the set up. who can make there sled work, and be fast and who that can,t. I have seen zrt800's and t-cats and xcr800 that have put the all mighty machz on the trailer, and I'm aSki-Doo rider have been for 25 years, there is alot of fast sleds out there.

I agree with mr670 it all depends on the mechanic. I've watched a mod sled worth over 10,000 us get beat by a stock zr800 because of traction. I'm ac die hard but more for the dealer than anything else. I've got to say though that this is just getting hillarious. I'm sure the F7 is going to be fast but some of these comparisons are just not even comparisons. A 700 twin against a MachZ. Whats next the F5 or Rev600 against a ZR900. Whats the point it we all know it would take alot of weight difference to make up for the cc's. The Fs and revs for that matter are light but not that light. Besides I never thought these two sleds were designed for dragging I thought they were ditch banging sleds.

the f7 kitty cat wont stand a chance against the machzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

All of this is complete conjecture since the only way to tell for sure is on a nice smooth frozen lake. But...

F7 = 140 hp, 460 lbs dry (as per AC) = 3.29 lbs per hp
MachZ = 160 hp (total guess, please correct me), 559 lbs dry (as per SD) = 3.49 lbs per hp

But then again I always forget that MachZs are not bound by the laws of physics since they never loose to anything and never will. :p

HP is only half of the equation.

You have the superior clutching system of the Mach. The suspention alone is designed to run fast, Not mogal bash like the F7.) It is also geared to run faster.

And a triple will always be a faster engine do to the fact it revs higher and has more efficent burns due to smaller pistons and less vibration.

There are many reasons.

Yes MachZ lose to other sleds that have better set ups or came to the races more prepaird. Most of the Machz that I see lose are guys that show up with there bone stock never touched mach that go and try to beat tweaked out srx's, MXZs and dealer backed polaris. Some times they luck out. However you get a pro on a Mach and watch out.

Im sorry but facts are facts. If you go to arctic cat and buy a ZRT 800 then go to skidoo and buy a mach z, take them and drop them on snow and race the mach z will win period.. And its the same case with pretty much every sled manufactored.

The big, factory backed, grass drag teams will not even bring the big zed to the arena this year, and I like the big guy. In the improved, pro stock, unlimited , etc, there's still a future, read it and weep......

HEY ! Do you guys drive straight all day or do you turn because what really matters is who can ride and who can't.Having the fastest sled doesnt mean jack if you cant drive it on the trails.Ive past many "fast" sleds on the trails and I think to my self what a waste they must be compensateing for something. :p

ATYSZKA. Thats a nice number. now what if the guy on the F7 was 100 lbs heavier then the guy on the mach??
simply put that calculation means squat

Like bonedaddy said, Do you mach guys know how to actually ride or do your sleds just go straight? 90% of the riding I do is on twisty trails. It is alot of fun to leave all the big sleds behind because of the weight difference alone. Sure I like a race across the lake just like the next guy, But i'm not on that lake all day long. I like to turn once in a while.

I agree with many of the above posts. Honestly, I do believe that the Mach will take the F7. I do ride a Ski-Doo, but I am not anti-everything else. Sure the Mach is fast, probably fastest stock sled available. Would I buy one? No. I am not interested in tripples, but if I was, I would own an SRX 700. These machines are great, 100cc's less than the Mach and they can still run with the big tripple. Bottom line, there is not one superior brand of snowmobile. They all have advantages. Just because I own a Ski-Doo, does not mean that I think they employ the best engineers in the industry. Ski-Doo's engineers are not better than anyone elses, nor are Artic Cat's etc. This is just my opinion, please do not argue with me.

ive got mile's of open bay that leads to lake Ontario. why do i give a #### about trails
???

On engineer isn't better then the other??
you better stay in school. thats like saying one college is the same as the next. I don't think soo.

SKI-DOOD, I did not say that all engingeers are equal. What I did say was that not all of the best ones work for one company. Do you mean to tell me that all of the best engineers in the industry work for Ski-Doo? I hope not. I realize that not all schools are of the same caliber, but how do the laws of physics differ between them?

Originally posted by The Student@Nov 13 2002, 11:40 PM
SKI-DOOD, I did not say that all engingeers are equal. What I did say was that not all of the best ones work for one company. Do you mean to tell me that all of the best engineers in the industry work for Ski-Doo? I hope not. I realize that not all schools are of the same caliber, but how do the laws of physics differ between them?
You said in the previuos post" ski-doo,s engineers are not better then ac, polaris, and so on"
Well one has to better then the other or new technology would be non existant.
think of it who inventented rer or for polaris the m10 suspension ect ect.
yes there not all at skidoo but one company has to lead in certain areas or nothing would advance in technology.
Ie if your statement was fact then how come yamaha has better 4 stroke then skidoo.
because there engineers in the 4 stoke department are mulleniums ahead of the other 3 manufacturers.

And thats not because they have had there race bike out for along time.
correct me if i'm wrong but doesn't suzuki make polaris engines??
they too should have had an awesome 4 stoke out but they don't

Yey its over !!! SKI-DOOD Picked the winner ,He said Yamaha makes the best :thumbsup: And The Student said heed buy one :D

Yamaha chaning one Ski-doo'er at a time "priceless"

Now what to do about those Cat's !!!

:withstupid: I didn't see the mighty Mach pull any wins at the grass drags this year in my area, actually Polaris did well here.
Where were these unbeatable machines?
My point is everyone is beatable as someone else said, if you can set em up, you will win.
I personally didny buy my sled for racing. There are some awsome looking machines out this year and I hope to get a chance to try them out. And to get to the thread, I do not believe a f7 will take the Mach, it will be interesting to see how they run. Have a nice day.

ZRT: appearantly you don't know how to look up haydays on your computer LMAO
see pro stock 800 and right at the start of the listing in all categories "WHO TOOK THE BIG MONEY" can you say SKI-DOO.but you are right in the fact that if you can't set them up then you might as well get use to last place.
and
Bone Daddy. don't see any where in my post saying i would by one. Yamaha at this moment does make the best 4 stroke.
fortunately i hate a 4 stroke sled.

and to answer you question on the cat issue. like every old animal but it too sleep LMAO

Originally posted by SKI-DOOD@Nov 14 2002, 03:39 AM
ATYSZKA. Thats a nice number. now what if the guy on the F7 was 100 lbs heavier then the guy on the mach??
simply put that calculation means squat
I agree that there are too many factors to count that can influence a race. And I'd be very surprised if the F7 could beat a Mach, but the numbers do mean something. They show that the F7 has a better weight to hp ratio than a Mach when they're sitting next to each other if my guess of 160 hp is correct. So it's not completely implausable that it could be as fast.

Machzzzz1 pointed out that the Mach's triple and clutch have advantages, that makes sense. On the flip side the F7 has a narrower track, which means less rolling resistance and more importantly less reciprocating weight, but it could also mean less initial traction.

There's only one way to find out, and within 6 weeks hopefully we'll all have enough cold weather and snow to hit the trails and lakes.

Uhhmmm, I believe suzuki makes the A.C. motor since that's what my tag sais. Does that mean A.C. will have the best 4strk sled out?

Also, the narrower track wont pose traction loss problom because the sled has a lot less wieght to initially move from 0mph on.

BoneDaddy, that looks like my cat Chester!! Cute :D

Is Haydays the only race in the country?
Machs were beaten here by a 800 polaris is all I said, so they are beatable. That is all I meant. To each his own.
Have a NICE DAY

well all i can say is as usual this is were most something vs something ends up.
i am not saying that the mach is the fastest either.
any fool knows an xcr 800 2001 and up will be right beside or faster then a mach. the set up man will decide that one

piece out.

Here's the hype, genuine cat gospel.

SKI-DOOD Relax I never said you would buy one.But I can tell you really want one . :p

Now this is getting real good.

Bone Daddy - Ive been on this site for over a year now and I seem to know a lot of the people on it. Skidood is a advanced driver and can handle his Mach. There is no need to recommend him to a beginner sled like the SXviper you posted above.

Please no more personal attacts on peoples driving abilitys. Keep practicing and one day you too might be able to handle a Mach.

:D :D

And on another note.

I think if you did look at the factory enginners you would find Skidoo well infront of any other manufactor.

Skidoo even has a devision of enginnering were enginners have the freedom to work and design things that may sound crasy or appear to be imposible. This devision is also well budgeted and from it features like RER can be credited to.

Skidoo enginners are also able to use the latest and best computer assisting design programs.

Ive seen the yamaha RX-1 design team and it only consisted of 5 or 6 people, People that probably never rode a sled to begin with.

well boys I would like to add to the original question........We have snow here now and I have seen first hand how fast the F7 is. The F7 is so fast out of the BOX that I traded off the ZR900 on a new F7 sno pro. Along with myself there were a couple summit800 ho's and a Rev800 that also took part in an embarrasing spanking. The 2 guys on the summits are veteran ski-doo racers that came with a box of springs and helixes so this is not a case of backwards clutching. The F7 had 1 mile on it and I assure you it was BOX stock. Now the F7 might not be a lake racer (maybe) but if your not careful I know this sled will pose a threat in 660 to the mach.

Oh please.

Some people saw the F7 lose, Some saw it win, but your the first to say that it totally blew away a ZR900.

Last year you claimed that your ZR900 would walk a Mach Z, well that doesnt seem to be the case at the drags.

You must have written that article for Cat. After reading that article I now hand over the award for KING OF HYPE to Arctic cat. Ive read stuff from Yamaha that made me laugh but this is just unreal. They speak like they ran every sled at Haydays. Then they claim to have beaten that time. Are they doing rolling starts on every run?

One things for sure. We will never really know what sled is faster by reading this site. We can only belive what we see or what we hear from people we trust.

Whats so exciting about a lousy 660' run ?
If your going to race then race across a good lake.

when i race my iroc its not a 1/4 mile. its the 401 that is when traffic is almost zilch and a car pulls up beside me for a good run.

MachZZZZZZ1 LMAO

bone daddy is that you on that kids toy.
what is it yamahas new 90 cc pol-me-back

I dont care what you have to say........fact is I couldnt catch him untill the end of the field by then the race was over. Thats pretty good for a 700 single pipe......I tell no likes about the 800ho's(150hp) taking a beating the 700 just walked away and it was funny.

Boys boys boys, stop bickering about what sled is the fastest, the most powerfull and all that other stuff. We will know for sure in a couple weeks if all those rumors are real or just wishfull thinking. Beside's, I can beat everyone of you with my toboggan. Yeee haaaaa !!! :devil: :p :p

well put PY LMAO

I see if you go to D&D site & hit on race results they show where the F7 is beating all 700 singles& triples also all 800 single & triples piped sleds .Dont know what they do on top end but there sure smokin in 500 ft

went to the site but didn't give any info. other then they say 800 class.
doesn't say what sled "Mach,,, XCR ,,, ZRT?? what were they racing against???

Stock Machz horse power it's not 160, maybe more like 150.

Its between 153-158HP.

Stock MachZ 99-up is 156 H.P. Tracksion is the Mach's biggest enemy!
That is why the big boys are are running 136x1/2 tracks with a ton of studs and big wheel kits.
As far as the F-7 being so fast, are you cat guys saying that maybe the one at our local grass drags had some sort of problem? Maybe so? We'll just wait and see what the end of winter brings.

This whole post reminds me of last winter when everyone was raving about how fast and wonderful the Viper is when in fact, it was nothing special at all until you spent another grand to wake it up! Did you see what the guy in snowgoer just spent to make his Viper the sled he wanted? Like $8300.00!! Man that's a $16,000 dollor sled! :0:

again guys i will tell you we have had the new f7 out in the field and it is fast but not this fast.....lol.. this thing was im shure prepped cause i know the dealer and the mechanic that brought it out is vevry competitive. and it did not and AGAIN DID NOT BEAT THE 900,800ZR,800REV, AND WILL NOT COMPETE WITH THE MACHZ.man guys get a grip here........lol .it is a nice sled but man give it a rest

On D@D's site they posted that the f7 ran 5.34 at 92mph......what is an average et for a mach?

I would still like to know what the mach can do...........so please tell me ;)

I can't wait 'til the snow flies!!!!!!!

Skidood you will agree that D&D did say all 800 tripples & Glen Hall ran a 5.34 at 92 mph & I know the trips are not turning those ets no brands are.Mph maybe

Was this another infamous set back, rolling, trip timing system starts like Hall did at Haydays? Say that sentence real fast. :p

Rock on guys, getting colser to quit talking and start riding time.
:withstupid:

Originally posted by Machzzzz1@Nov 14 2002, 11:29 PM
And on another note.

I think if you did look at the factory enginners you would find Skidoo well infront of any other manufactor.

Skidoo even has a devision of enginnering were enginners have the freedom to work and design things that may sound crasy or appear to be imposible. This devision is also well budgeted and from it features like RER can be credited to.

Skidoo enginners are also able to use the latest and best computer assisting design programs.

Ive seen the yamaha RX-1 design team and it only consisted of 5 or 6 people, People that probably never rode a sled to begin with.
This "division" is nothing new...any competitive corporation has R&D dpts that are free to offer ideas, no matter how inappropriate they may seem..
your favorite brand is not the only one that does this. All manufactureres also use the latest CAD equipment...again, nothing earthsattering.

By the way, just when did you meet the design team of the RX-1??? Five or six people, huh?? Highly unlikely. It's no secret that companies have been trying to copy Japanese production methods for at least the past 20 years. Their methods of management and production have been taught in text books worldwide for decades. So save your hype for someone who will listen to it and ignorant enough to believe it.

Why don't you just do it...go ahead, buy an RX-1 and get it over with. Obviously you're a true Yammi fan at heart, but are just afraid to come out because you have defended the Mach for so long. Why else would someone spend so much time and effort to denounce a product?! There's nothing wrong w/Yamaha, you don't have to be ashamed to want one of their sleds. The sooner you buy one, the sooner you can quit tormenting yourself w/this inner struggle, and the rest of us won't be subjected to your rediculous posts. Hurry along to your nearest Yamaha dealer so the world can be a better place!!

wELL WE WILL SOON FIND OUT. :D

Too funny Jim. And yeah, Machzzzz1 come on, show at least some humility once and a while. Ski-Doo is a great company and they build a quality product, but each of the big 4 do. They all use similar engineering, design and manufacturing techniques. None of them is light years ahead of anyone else. Even the REV borrowed ideas from Blade. It's very similar to the auto industry which I'm very familiar with. The only sled compaines not using the latest, most sophisticated CAD and computer simulation models are the guys that build custom-fabbed, one-off racing chassis, and even alot of those guys do too. If you think that Polaris, Yamaha or AC still design anything with a slide ruler and protractor while SD uses super-computers you're only fooling yourself.

I would say the F7 just because of the power to weight ratio.

Skidoo even has a devision of enginnering were enginners have the freedom to work and design things that may sound crasy or appear to be imposible. *This devision is also well budgeted and from it features like RER can be credited to.
Kinda like the team at AC that came up with the "skinny" track concept? And yes, RER is way cool. Too bad SD patented it like AC did their front suspension or all sleds could have a state-of-the-art reverse mechanism and not have to use trailing arms.
Ive seen the yamaha RX-1 design team and it only consisted of 5 or 6 people, *People that probably never rode a sled to begin with.
Maybe 5 or 6 team leaders. It would take a whole gaggle of engineers to design something that complex. And if you're going to imply that SD has more engineers and resources than Yamaha, I suggest you look up each corporations public filings. And you're probably right, Japanese/American engineers most likely don't test/use the products they design, only the Canadians.
:blahblah:
BTW, much of this post uses a form of humor called sarcasm, since I've already received PMs from people who weren't sure.

i was out in the field today running my machz and i ran against a new rx1 mountain with a 2" and a fiew srx`s sxr`s and two 800 vax. and i tell yah i was realy impressed with the rx1 we were running about 500 feet with about 3inchs of snow and frozen grass and it was very strong it was realy to short and conditions not very good but still it is not the dog most were saying it will very interesting to see how it does i the future. we are going out tomorow on porcupine lake and we will see what happens there as it will be a lot longer hopefuly there wil be enough snow to hook

Originally posted by machz69@Nov 17 2002, 02:52 AM
we were running about 500 feet with about 3inchs of snow and frozen grass and . . . we are going out tomorow on porcupine lake and we will see what happens there as it will be a lot longer hopefuly there wil be enough snow to hook
Only 3" of snow? A frozen lake? You suck. But today I drove across an overpass and the ABS kicked in, for like 1 second. So that's almost as good, right?

:doh:

whats your point?? or u just dont have one ? thats about what there was cause there was a lot of sled in there last weak and mabe on the lake there will be more for some reason i cant do emotions but if i could could you guess what i would be putting

Yeah emotions don't come across well. Was just trying the express my envy in a funny way. Sorry. I'm just jealous that you can actually ride. In Detroit today we had "flurries". That means it gave things in my area a dusting that didn't stick to anything except my truck.

,.................;)..........:)

Detroit, not Detroit proper, I'm not tough enough, but you've never heard of Chesterfield, so I just say Detroit.


I don't have anything to add other than that I know where Chesterfield is! ;)

LOL, time to change my location info then.

I was talking with my buddy with the black F7 last night and here are some speeds that were done on Porcupine Lake yesterday using a Stalker radar gun. Lake has approx. 6" of ice and a few inches of packed snow, which was good for roll-ons and radar but not drags.

F7 - 112mph (stock,1" track)
ZR900 - 112mph (stock, 1" track)
SRX 700 - 107mph (clutched)
ZR900 - 106mph (stock, 144 studs, 1" track)
MXZ 800 - 102mph (clutched, geared, 1" track)
'03 XC 700 - 98mph (stock, 1.25" track)

The F7 was beating everything in accelleration and roll-ons, but he told me the non-studded ZR900 and F7 doing a 90-95mph roll-on (how many of us do roll-ons at that speed ?), the big ZR would jump out half a length and they stay that way to top end.
That's all I have for now, will post today's results, tonight !

interesting very interesting :D Here is a pic of the F7(stock) racing a 800 cat and a polaris 700 with pipes yesterday in a stubble field :D

Hey...how come everyone in that pic is sitting straight up? Methinks the race was over and the pic was taken after the F7 kept rolling a little further than the others ...making for a convincing picture.

I was sitting at the end of the field and took the snap..........Its no trick

Just got back from the Capac grass (mud) drags. I only stuck around for a couple hours and wasn't taking notes but of the 3 F7s that I saw run they all looked like botched runs. I couldn't tell if the guys were just sleeping at the light or if they didn't get traction or if they were just unimpressive hole shots. Hopefully someone will be able to provide a more detailed report than mine.

on a lake near my house in the same day so the condtion were equal to both sleds, they ran right after each other the f7 got 112 on radar and a 2003 xc 700, the former fastest 700 got 98! thats a 14mph difference from last years fastest 700 to his years! too bad for polaris! and i have heard that someone on their f7 got beat by a xc 700, that xc must have a lot of money in it to be able to gain 14 mph, or his f7 is not good!

oh yah and the f7 raced a zr 9 and they tied the zr 900 got 112 on radar so did the f7. not bad for a 700 eh?

and today they were radaring again and the condition were a bit better so the f7 got 115 and the xc got 104, but both sleds have under 100 miles on them and are not even broke in, i wonder how fast they will be fully broke in! im not sure what the 9 got on the day sinc ei havent heard anything yet.


so.......the WILL beat a mach z in 660 feet.!!!!

THANK YOU VERY MUCH..........THATS WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG......THE F7 AND THE ZR9 ARE BOLTH GOING TO RUN GOOD THIS YEAR.

Wow, that is definetaly a fast 700, and it looks good too. Are these F7s flawless?

Flawless? Nothing is, lol.

atyszka - Thats a cool avatar.

Dave- I could get my 600 Grand touring to top out at 100 in good conditions. and I know the polaris are faster so somthing sounds wrong.

Originally posted by Machzzzz1@Nov 18 2002, 01:57 AM
atyszka - Thats a cool avatar.
Thanks, just took the pic a couple days ago. What you can't see is that the carbs are all off and I'm beatting my head against the wall trying to figure out where a small gas leak is coming from.
:doh:

The Polaris had a 1.25 inch track which slows it down more than a 1 inch on radar runs, this is a common phenomenom. It would only be 5 or 6 mph hinderence though. I wish I could have been there!The weight of Polaris is slightly more also.

i know the f7's didn't impress me at all at the drags today i expected more from them with all the hype they have been getting,of the races i saw none of the f 7's won.

limskii do you have any results from yesterday

Yes I doo ! Didn't get online last night, too tired. I did make it out on Porcupine lake in the afternoon (after the morning's radar runs using the stalker gun). Here's what I heard was run:

SRX 700 - 115mph (clutched, same one ran 107 yesterday)
F7 - 113mph (stock, 1" track)
'03 XC 700 - 104mph (stock, 1.25" track)
Rev 600 HO - 98mph (stock, 1" track)

That's all I got from the morning runs.

Shortly after I got out there (had just finished installing my rail extensions & 136 X 1.25" track with 108 1.325" megabyte studs down the middle, but took off snow flap as tunnel not extended yet), they had alot of sleds riding around, so some guys pulled out a Speedcheck radar, so we did some more runs. Here are some of the speeds I was told that were done:

SRX 700 - 115mph (same one)
ZR 900 - 113mph (stock, 1" track)
My '97 Mach 1 - 111mph (ported, 136X1.25 studded track)
'00 Mach Z - 110mph (1.25" track, machz69)
'03 XC 700 - 104mph (1.25" track)
MXZ800 - 102mph (1" track)
Rev 600 HO - 98mph (1" track)

These results were tried from two different directions as all the non-studded sleds were spinning all the way to the radar. That Rev 600HO owner told me he saw 114mph on his speedo but radared at 98mph which also proves trackspin as Bomb. speedos are usually very close. I do have a hard time believing my speed (even though I did it twice), as I later did some roll-ons with the ZR900, the F7, and a couple T-Cat 1000's and from about 40mph, I would jump out with the F7 & ZR ahead of T-Cats, then about 70mph the F7 & ZR started pulling away and I would get caught and passed by T-Cats which all then kept pulling away to about 8-15 lengths ahead of me. The F7 also had something wrong with it (fuel, computer, or injection problems) as a few runs it ran real good, then wouldn't rev passed 6000rpm, then even stalled on him on the lake. After starting back up he packed up and left (to the dealer tommorrow). We also had done some short drags in a field, and that had mostly my buddies' MXZ800 launching ahead and beating everyone most of the time. I got him out of the hole a few times but he would start catching me. We also did a few runs with the F7, and if we all had a good start, the MXZ would jump out, then I'd be within a length, then the F7 another length behind and it would stay like that. To finish off this report, as I loaded my sled I saw an RX1 short track which was in that field doing some drags against that MXZ 800, and MXZ was seen getting 2-3 lengths ahead and keeping it. That's it for now !
(p.s.- DAVE7625, were you talking about Porcupine Lake ?)

Nice report Limskii!!!

No kidding. We need to pitich in and get Limskii a satellite uplink to bring us these reports "live from the lake".
:D

Originally posted by atyszka@Nov 18 2002, 01:09 PM
No kidding. *We need to pitich in and get Limskii a satellite uplink to bring us these reports "live from the lake".
I can see it now, "Live from the lake for ESPN, I'm Limskii bringing you the weekly lake drags." That would be cool.

Limskii thats a great report.

Please let us know who is studded for next time.

F7 sounds like a blast in a straight line.

Originally posted by Limskii@Nov 18 2002, 06:37 PM

(p.s.- DAVE7625, were you talking about Porcupine Lake ?)
Limski,

yes i was talking about porcupine lake, i live right near there, i am scotts cousin he has the 03 edge x 700 in black. i have an f7 on order that should be in already but is not..... whats your name? im david bielaski

This weekend I think I will bring my F5 out there and see what that can get, I only live about a 15minutes sled ride away from Porupine lake.

Limskii are you going to be out there with the guns this weekend? Or when will you be?
Thanks Ryan

We are all going to have to chip in for typing lessons for Limskii, as that post took him the better part of the day to type, he didn't mention that my rev 800 did 104, and was improving each run, but had to go to work. Brought out my gade 800 and ran it against my rev for the first time. And on a rolling start my wife on the rev pulled a good 15 lengths on me in about 1500 ft. We switched sleds and the rev pulled away again but only about 6 or 7 lengths, due to the fact that I got a good 100lb's on her. Was pretty surprised too say the least. I've got 3hours and 15 minutes on the rev so far, so the chip should be getting close to burning out. :doh:

typing lessons are not,,,,,,,,,still a awesome report! we dont see anything like that from you kenny!

I'm just trying to save Limskii from the dog house, if he could put in his detailed posts in faster, than he would have time to sit and watch the Gilmore Girls with his wife! :p

kennypope,

who is limskii? i thought i know know who he is,since i live around porcupine lake and i sled too, but i dont, i dont know who you are either, what kind of sled did you drive before?

DAVE7625, I'm Steph Lemire and live in Timmins. I should be out again this weekend, with a few changes to my sled, tunnel extended, jetting, suspension and clutching changes. Did you get your F7 yet, and what color will it be ?

Dave7625, I'm Ken Popescu live in Timmins, you may know my little bro Steve he has a 01 mxzx800 (lots of red and yellow) My sled I just traded was a 99 f-3 800 with jaws pipes and motor work.

kennypope,

I know who your brother is, well i never met him but i have seen his sled before, its nice! he has a different can on it right? ir doesnt sound like stock.

limskii,

Im waiting for a standard graphics green f7 snopro, if i actually have my sled i will be out this weekend too, but i doubt i will have it, i would take a 2001 mxz 600 adrenaline out buy my dad doesnt want to to drive it incase i break something.

Dave7625, what's your name? My bro has a dne can, but took it off last season. I think it was causing problems with his recoil. How come your still waiting for your F-7, is it because it's a special order snow pro? I will be on porcupine this weekend for sure, I have to run Limskii's newest creation. Mach1-Renegade :nervous:

all we need now is so more cold and snow or no one will be out on the lake......lol

Originally posted by kennypope@Nov 20 2002, 11:58 PM
Dave7625, what's your name? My bro has a dne can, but took it off last season. I think it was causing problems with his recoil. How come your still waiting for your F-7, is it because it's a special order snow pro? I will be on porcupine this weekend for sure, I have to run Limskii's newest creation. Mach1-Renegade :nervous:
kennypope,

im david bielaski, yes my f7 is a snopro but thats not why im still waiting for it, if you check out hardcoresledder.com and in the phto gallery there is a lot of snopro sleds build and mine is is there, it will look like this. Go go to this link if you want to see what my sled is: http://www.hardcoresledder.com/firecat/F7_tim.htm

i got snopro because i wanted the better suspension because i do a lot of jumping and stuff and wanted something that would be stronger and wouldnt bottom out as much, and the 1.375 inch track would be good to for better take off and stuff.

And bigway told me that the reason my sled is no in yet it because they didnt build them yet and are building them now, but they dont know what they are talking about since people have had the same exact sled as mine since the begging of october.

why was the dne can affecting the recoil?

Haydays is the yardstick with which to measure stock sleds' hp, power-to-weight ratio, hp to the track and traction.

This real event separates the hype from reality and Ski-doo dominated the stock classes and took the lion's share of modified class wins.

Yamaha's dominated the 700 classes. It's history. The reason Hayday's weighs more heavily than local drags is because of the scrutiny and the all-inclusive participation by manufacturers and racers alike. This is the Super Bowl of grass drags, everyone knows it.

To address the Summit being a comparative slug to the F7, a Summit 800 h.o. took 1st place stock single pipe at Haydays, the Rev took 1st in the 800 triple pipe.

One guy says Arctic Cats are cleaning up at the local grass drags, one guy says it's Polaris, and Haydays says it's Ski-doo. Hmm, I wonder who's right?


In any event, as long as were just talking fun about what machine is fastest, no big deal. But I'd just have to giggle at someone who might suggest that being the fastest is any reason to buy a particular sled.

Originally posted by Machzzzz1@Nov 12 2002, 01:39 PM
A MachZ can beat a thundercat and now ZRT's are beating them. Please.


:hallo1: My ZRT 800 beat a Thunder cat 2 times in a row, and he was jetted, clutched and reeds.
Those are the facts Jack!!

[FONT=Impact]Originally posted by BC HYDRO@Nov 21 2002, 03:03 AM
. *But I'd just have to giggle at someone who might suggest that being the fastest is any reason to buy a particular sled.
Right on!! now someone is making sense. Just because I beat a T Cat does not mean I will not be beat, like I said earlier, I ride for fun. :thumbsup:
PEACE OUT!

Originally posted by BC HYDRO@Nov 21 2002, 08:03 PM
Haydays is the yardstick with which to measure stock sleds' hp, power-to-weight ratio, hp to the track and traction.

This real event separates the hype from reality and Ski-doo dominated the stock classes and took the lion's share of modified class wins.

Yamaha's dominated the 700 classes. It's history. The reason Hayday's weighs more heavily than local drags is because of the scrutiny and the all-inclusive participation by manufacturers and racers alike. This is the Super Bowl of grass drags, everyone knows it.

To address the Summit being a comparative slug to the F7, a Summit 800 h.o. took 1st place stock single pipe at Haydays, the Rev took 1st in the 800 triple pipe.

One guy says Arctic Cats are cleaning up at the local grass drags, one guy says it's Polaris, and Haydays says it's Ski-doo. Hmm, I wonder who's right?


In any event, as long as were just talking fun about what machine is fastest, no big deal. But I'd just have to giggle at someone who might suggest that being the fastest is any reason to buy a particular sled.
How can Haydays be the benchmark for stock competi-tion? Some manufacuters don't even have their final production sleds running there! Besides, haven't a lot of people complained about the F7's getting a rolling start? How can that be the benchmark?

Obviously being the fastest is what it's about for a lot of people. Why else would you be talking about the events at Haydays. If it wasn't, we'd all be riding 440 fan models, and there would be very little hype about speed.

Just for everyones info on the MachZ vs F7 debate. I ran against an F7 w/ my MXZ6 (which is modded) on Monday because we had some snow to do it in. VERY SUPRISINGLY I had him until about 85mph, if you dont believe me, when we get more snow, I will get my friend to take a video of it w/ his camera and I will post it for all of you to see. I made my sled for the low and mid end tho. after 85 F7 pretty much had my ###. Video coming soon.

Bc Hydro you are right about the haydays. It is the best source because everyone is there but you make one mistake. Anything beyond the trail stock classes says nothing about the sleds we will be riding. For example the stock classes are allowed auxillary cooling units, to me this says the only way you can ever get your sled to run like they do in the stock class is if you have an auxillary cooling system to hook up to after each run you take out on the lake. What I am getting at is if you want to know what sleds have potential then you have to look at trail stock. In this case you will see that polaris is a very dominant force. yamaha still took the 700 and 800 class. Ski-doo always takes the modified classes but I think that is because of the tremendous amount of support they provide to their racing programs. The catch with trail stock is that support only gets you so far because of the limitations of the class and it is more or less the sled that wins and not the tuners.

Dave7625, I think the can was heating up and melting the plastic dogs in the recoil, plus on long rides i get's anoying to listen to

Originally posted by 99SRX700@Nov 22 2002, 12:03 PM
Bc Hydro you are right about the haydays. It is the best source because everyone is there but you make one mistake. Anything beyond the trail stock classes says nothing about the sleds we will be riding. For example the stock classes are allowed auxillary cooling units, to me this says the only way you can ever get your sled to run like they do in the stock class is if you have an auxillary cooling system to hook up to after each run you take out on the lake. What I am getting at is if you want to know what sleds have potential then you have to look at trail stock. In this case you will see that polaris is a very dominant force. yamaha still took the 700 and 800 class. Ski-doo always takes the modified classes but I think that is because of the tremendous amount of support they provide to their racing programs. The catch with trail stock is that support only gets you so far because of the limitations of the class and it is more or less the sled that wins and not the tuners.
If you read this post throughout you will notice that every brand has been mentioned (rightfully so) as dominating a particular class. That shows that the four are pretty damn close to each other in product, and each taking turns, year-in-year-out, as it were, kicking ### in a particular category. It's like another team sport. I think it's all kind of fun and shouldn't be taken too seriously.

I'm a ski-doo guy, but met a worker on a construction site today who overheard me telling another guy that I wanted it to snow in the Cascades. He says "want it to snow, huh?" and he's smiling and wearing a white hardhart with POLARIS on it. I was glad to see another sledder was all and we started talking sleds and of places to go. I'll probably see him in Gold Creek some day and maybe I'll try to get my trail-modded 700 144 up past his stock (I think . . .) 800 RMK 159. We don't have much powder here so I'm not sure why guys are going that long out here. But Idaho and Utah are not too far so maybe that's why.

"You got an Escape?" I says to the guy laying wires in a utility trench in yet another Eastside Seattle sub-division,
"Nope," he says. "Put it on myself. Ten-grand is a little too much!"


And Fritch, I don't know where the "fan-cooled" thing came from, but I'm talking about a balanced sled, not just one thing as the ultimate criteria to measure something.

I think we're all getting the message though. THE F-7 IS GOING TO BE ONE FAST SLED. GOTCHA.

Originally posted by BC HYDRO@Nov 22 2002, 07:13 PM


And Fritch, I don't know where the "fan-cooled" thing came from, but I'm talking about a balanced sled, not just one thing as the ultimate criteria to measure something.


No prob BC...sorry you didn't understand that. You didn't say anything about a well-balanced sled, I figured that was a given. All of today's sleds are pretty well-balanced, so there will always be people who will buy the bigger sleds because they believe they are the fastest. If speed wasn't an issue w/some people, we could all buy the lower end and slower sleds, the extreme being fan cooled sleds.

I beg to differ that a trail stock class is the one to watch. The weight of machines is not checked and literally no engine mods are checked. There is cheating in all classes, but this one ranks the highest in the easiest to get away with class.

Originally posted by BC HYDRO@Nov 21 2002, 08:03 PM
the Rev took 1st in the 800 triple pipe.

The REV beat the mach, or is that a typo??

yeah i think as far as grass drags are concerned it is going to the twins untill u get into improved and pro but id u start getting back to 750+ on snow it will be the mach no problem

YA BS.

No Mach Z's entered the 500 ft runs at Haydays. As a short 5 second run they need to get another tenth of a second which right now they can not. They would be king in 750 ft. and beyond.

So basically the mach is no good for drag racing, ditch banging, climbing, cross country running, trail riding, touring, powder riding, boondocking and jumping............why would anyone own such a sled??? I guess thats why this is the last year for the Mighty Mach.

I really don't understand why people are so brand loyal. You cripple yourself right from the get-go. What's even more pathetic is that most people will just go with same brand after their initial purchase.

I would really like to have some solid evidence as to <insert brand> having the best engineers. It&#39;s funny, you never see a cat guy say ski-doo has the best R@D or vise versa. Fact is, there all damn close and use the same basic designs and principles. It&#39;s just like street bikes, guys argue this brand vs this brand when in reality it all comes down to rider. I can only laugh when a guy on GSXR-600 or R6 says he&#39;s gonna toast me in a drag race when they all run within .2&#39;s. Does anybody ride for fun?

sled head what are you running? im talking in the pro circuit as far as just a local drag and speed runs it will be the mach every run you must be a young guy just by the posts that you put up u need to burn some energy .........get a job............hehehehe

Shark said it, amatuer class = no rules, pros, a little better. I dont see any tech for the amatuers, and its whatever they want to doo in the pro`s, which if there runnin late might not be jack either.

sled head i assume you think a short 500&#39; is a race?
why, because after that your 2 cylinder has no more balls?

Sharkey, whenever anyone places in the trail stock classes their sleds are indeed checked. I was the one man pit crew for a buddy of mine this fall. He placed second in the trail stock class and he was pissed because they ended up messing with his sled after to make sure he wasn&#39;t illegal for his class (his heads were milled and they found it) and that was in the amature class. I ride with a bunch of factory backed ski-doo guys and they say it can be even worse in the pro classes but it depends on where you are racing. This is only the case if you place and it does depend on where you are racing.

Originally posted by SKI-DOOD@Nov 26 2002, 03:06 AM
sled head i assume you think a short 500&#39; is a race?
why, because after that your 2 cylinder has no more balls?
You got it....... ;)

Sounds like a couple Doo guys in the room are turning green!! Get used to it Dave, it &#39;s lonely at the top. :p

Originally posted by sled-head+Nov 26 2002, 09:37 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sled-head @ Nov 26 2002, 09:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--SKI-DOOD@Nov 26 2002, 03:06 AM
sled head i assume you think a short 500&#39; is a race?
why, because after that your 2 cylinder has no more balls?
You got it....... ;)[/b][/quote]
I thought I read in Limskii&#39;s report that an F7 had the second or third fastest radar run.

This debate is over. The Mach Z is the fastest. Allways will be.

As long as I own one. :D

yes he did but that was only in the morning when there was a good track to run on just an example the srx ran the fastest at 115 in the morning and when i got there i ran a 110 way too much spin just ice and thenthe srx ran 106 so its pretty hard to set anything from that run that day..but we will be running more and more and i will let u guys know how they all run and not just particular sleds. but for shure it is a fast sled from what ive herd but not seen for myself as it had blown up when i got there. and just keep one thing in mind my suit is all black i dont stay loyal anymore.........lol what runs that is what i will have........hehehe

Originally posted by Machzzzz1@Nov 26 2002, 09:05 AM
This debate is over. The Mach Z is the fastest. Allways will be.

As long as I own one. :D
LMFAO......lol Martin

ATY: I went back to that post and there were no Machz times listed just an mxz800.

Originally posted by machz69@Nov 26 2002, 09:07 AM
and just keep one thing in mind my suit is all black i dont stay loyal anymore.........lol what runs that is what i will have........hehehe
I know what you mean Z, it&#39;s a little less expensive to switch sleds that way :D :p

Mach Z???? The SRX is the fastest Sled..... :), dont need a 800 to compete with a MACh

No you need a steam catapult like on the aircraft carriers.

lol.....well it might be the fastest until the machz showz up......lol

Originally posted by SKI-DOOD@Nov 26 2002, 03:11 PM
ATY: I went back to that post and there were no Machz times listed just an mxz800.
Just went back too, Limskii&#39;s Mach1 and machz69 were there. But with the surface in the condition machz69 explains it sounds like they were at a real handicap. But to claim that this twin has no "balls" . . . this obviously isn&#39;t the case.

yea but i get more then 5 km to a piston lol

[quote]lol.....well it might be the fastest until the machz showz up......lol


Ya, at the end of the DRAG..&#33;!!

SRX all the way my friend eheh :)

LOL, Go find a phazer to play with. :D

Ya, i will play with it, just for waiting you at end of the race hehaeh

:cussing: Smart ###. :D

Originally posted by Machzzzz1@Nov 26 2002, 06:15 PM
:cussing: Smart ###. :D
ya


REFUSE TO LOSE!!!
SRX


lol, ok ok, the war is over...:)

No I dont think so. Your not backing out of this one fortress. Just give me a day or two to think up a comeback. :p

eheheh i&#39;m waiting... lol

the better way to come back for you is to race with me.. but its so impossible :(((

LOL. I just talk like I race. :p

Im just in it for the riding. I love sledding and if my buddies want to go down the lake ill give her. :D

lol..... its good to see a little blue blood in yah but when my machz is done with yah there should be blue blood all over the lake........hehehe lmao.........ps fortress i could get yah a discount on a new machz to help yah with your deam.......................heheh :D :devil: ;)

ps fortress i could get yah a discount on a new machz to help yah with your deam

Dont wake him up yet. Hes having a good time.

phazerhater,

I looked again at the Haydays results and I was right about the 800 triple class going to a Chris Anderson on a Rev. The single pipe 800 was won by Guy Breton on a 2003 Summit. I&#39;m just wondering what the winning Rev would have done with the H.O. motor?

But I also got some other facts backwards: My memory doesn&#39;t serve me well sometimes, I guess. I actually have a good one, it&#39;s just short. . . .

Memory, that is.

Anyway, I got my Yamaha&#39;s and Polaris&#39; mixed up. Polaris swept the top four in the stock 700 class (that must be one hell of an engine) while Yamaha SRXs finished 1st and second in the Trail Stock 700 with an RX-1 pulling third, how bout that?

Other classes of note: Ski doo Revs took 1st and 2nd in the stock 600 with Polaris XCSP grabbing 3rd and 4th. Ski-doo Revs swept the top three spots in the Stock 600 triple class.

And as for some other trail stock: Arctic Cat Sno pros, took 1st and 2nd in the 440; Ski-doo took, the top two in 500; Polaris 1st, AC 2nd in 600; and Polaris took 1st and 2nd in the 600 triple trail stock.

As I mentioned before, Ski-doo took the lion&#39;s share of podium finishes in the modified classes, way too many classes to mention, with the mighty Mach Z sweeping several classes. I was surprised to find few ACs this year as they have been well represented in the past, and especially at local races. Of course the F-7 wasn&#39;t ready yet so they really missed out on a chance to show what they&#39;ve got. I guess we&#39;ll know by the end of winter when the snow dust settles.

Heck, it&#39;s got to get here first.

And finally, there were also some wins by a 2002 Ski-doo Dart in the modified classes. Does anybody know anything about the Dart?

I&#39;m guessing Dart is a chassis?

the f7 win by 4 sled and this is true,i see it the last week end

the f7 win by 4 sled and this is true,i see it the last week end

The Mach must have been running on two cylinders :)

[quote]
no no the mach z is on very good condition

Mach z will walk the F7 all day long, a 700 twin will not run with a 800 triple. We proved this last weekend when the Mach dominated everything at the race, and there was more than one F7 there. Bring on the RX-1 and watch the bad boy Mach eat that too.

Ya, the Machz need to be modified to be competitive,, Not the SRX ahaeh&#39;


ITS a BOMB!!!


REFUSE TO WIN!!!
Mach Z

:) :)

LMAO Fortress.

If you hurry to the closest bombardier dealer you can get that Mach Z you really want.


Cant WIN.
SRX.

eheh On a seriously note, I have purchase my Srx last spring.. I have just make two lake run with it.. Totally stock, my best was 111Mph, so I&#39;m sure this sled is capable of more,, alot of Power haaaaaa


How you do with your??? between 115 120 mph??? more???

I have gotten over 120mph.

But the question is how long does it take to get there.


IMO Yamaha made a big (huge) mistake by discontinuing the SRX. It was lighter, cornered better, used less gas and was probably smoother then the RX-1. I just love driving the SRX. It can only be discribed as silky smooth power.

The Mach is smooth but not as smooth as the SRX, But the Mach gives you a feeling of lets go out and kill. There two diffrent breeds of machine, simular in many ways but also diffrent.

I wish i had the gas milage of the SRX, but that doesnt really bother me since everyone else in my group will only go about 150km to a tank and im good for that as well.

One thing about both machines, From a dead start drag the SRX is closly matched to the Mach. But go side by side with a mach rolling at 120km. THe Mach really shines there. That 809 almost lifts the skis at that speed. It impresses everyone that drive it.

I&#39;m sure i will fall in love with the power of a 800 TRiple if i have the chance to ride one, even more with a ThunderCat :)

I was regarding some 800 triple before buying my SRX but some of my friends said to me to stay away from that. they are tunned to high, more risk of frequently damage (engine damage) I&#39;m not very skilled with mecanic, so, i opted for something more reliable. And i have find the SRX, with almost the same power..


I have see alot of Srx compete against ThunderCat, and they do it well, and the Srx, almost all of the time, win in their categorie in Drag race...

Its Good for a little 700 :)

But i&#39;m waiting the day i will be able to try a 800...

A friend of mine tried a 800XCR.. He said to me that the power of the SRX match the 800XCR, but i think the Mach is more powerful??

The SRX&#39;s have very similar power to the Z. I seen a lot of races with SRX&#39;s against mach Z&#39;s. If the SRX is 2000 or newer it will beat the Z off the line, the Z will catch it in the mid range and the two will top out side by side. Who wins will be matter of circumstance and it will be by a matter of feet. This is all assuming that both sleds are set up well. I have beat mach Zs on my 99 but I insist its because they weren&#39;t set up well since my 99 is nothing compared to the newer SRX&#39;s. Machzzzz is right about the roll ons. The Z has better mid range and the SRX will never catch it on a roll on since they both top out the same and the Z will have the advantage with the mid range. I used to own a Z so I have been very observant of the differences between that and my SRX. As far as feel goes you can&#39;t really tell.

HOw about the 98 SRX,,, I have heard people saying that they are more powerful than the newer SRX???

Nope. Ive driven both, accually ive borrowed my buddies when we got a freek snowstorm and my sleds wernt up.

He has a 01 and 98. There is no comparison IMO. The 01 is much healthier. I would like to try the srx with the detonation sensor. Thats probably tuned even closer to the line.

That&#39;s a point...... (Detonation Sensor and the tunning)

98&#39;s and 99&#39;s were similar, the only made some clutching changes between those years. In 00 they made some huge changes...the new ignition, throttle postion sensor, some gearing changes (without a loss in top speed), and a different silencer. I noticed a huge difference when I first rode my friends 00. Oh and they also changed the rear suspesion geometry for a lot more traction.

Yeah, You cant compare the two.

The 00 + srxs have nutz power for a 700.

yeah the 2000 and 2001 are much better. but it is the same thing with the machz`s i have the 2000 with the sc10 and can tell you that it does hook up and pull way better then the 01 and up machs so for my sled anyway does have no probs when running with the smaller srx. like last year i was radar running with a very well tuned 01 srx. i would run a couple of miles an hour more wich is not very much but when we would line up from a dead stop and go there was a dramatic diference it then looked like i had like 10mph on him but for shure the srx is never to be taken lightly when it comes to radar running as i suspect will be the case with the fircats and rx1......its kinda funny i remember saying that in 2000 we had reached the peak for sleds ......a speed cap sort of thing. and as it turns out i was right and wrong sort of......lol. the speeds have been capped they are not getting faster but the smaller sleds are getting faster but still not faster then the cap that i had thought in the future i can only imagine that the 440 will still hit 115mph just not as quick....lol

The MachZ wears that speed cap proudly.

Mr. Machzzzzzzzzzzzzzz you be happy too know it happened again.
The mach pulled the F-7 out the back door from about 700 ft on.
The Mach is always in top form,the f-7 had 80 miles on with D.D.
air intake and clutching.The buddy on the mach knows his way around
them,his pavement Macher runs in the 9`s on the black top.This
is a good measuring stick.He edged by and the 7 hung around till
nearly 2000 ft by which time he opened a small 3-4 sled lead.
Guess it won`t be long till the 711 faces off with them,it just matter
of time .By the way this two sleds beat the 800 twins off all makes ,
including the2003zr,800 rev and the 800 pro x in that distance.
Interesting......................Cape Breton stock.......

Bye the way the Yamaha dealer here has 12 or more RX-1`s people
put money on and never picked up.

Thats good news for us skidooers.

Thanks for the report.