I found a company online that is selling Saber brand studs for as low as 1.07ea for a 1" carbide with nuts, backers are extra around .35each. Has anyone used this brand? and are they any good for the price? they also are selling factory second for around .55 each for a 1" carbide trail stud!!

Never mind on giving opinions on saber studs i looked at some old postings and have had enough!!!

There is nothing wrong with Saber studs or backers!!!!!!!!! The problem is with the installation :cussing: 95% of the sleds that I have seen, with trouble is because of poor installation !!! !!!

Good, I hope you take the advice! Ron, I believe his name is, the owner, should be run out of the country for selling his crap!
I see in the latest issue of SnowTech he is advertizing for racers to use his product, what does that tell ya? :nervous:

I my self and many others I know have misused these studs and had no problems !!! They where installed right !!! !!!

Improper installation my A**! They had a bad batch of steel some time back and wouldn't stand behind their product. They blamed everything except the product. Because of that, they can rot for all I care.

Maybe I should explain; Last year a buddy bought some woody's and I recommended he get SS (woody's didn't have their ss studs out yet) because they don't look so bad in between rides. The one time he listened to me, he took them back and got Saber Top dogs. As a matter of fact, he paid thru the nose and had the dealer install them. The first weekend out, after about 100 miles he was adjusting his track and noticed that the studs were all tore up, with almost half of the tips gone. He immediatley came over and looked at my studs (with 2,000 plus miles) because we went thru the exact same trails and figured we rode over some nasty stuff and low and behold mine looked great.

This is where the fun really started because Saber wouldn't return his calls! Finally after a call from his dealer they told him to remove every single stud! Pictures weren't good enough, all the complaints weren't good enough, they wanted all of them back for inspection. Out of the 192, they replaced roughly 168 and sent the others back with the new ones. What #######s!

Don't send them a freakin dime!

Icing on the cake is that the dealer got so pissed they dropped Saber from their product line, and they sell alot of studs too.

saber is the worst co to deal with me and a few friends went in on about 1200 studs from saber about 2 years ago by the end of the first ride we all lost more than 15 each and the rest were beat to sh!t they told us it must have been a bad batch also replace the ones we had left made us buy more for the ones we lost and the same thing happened again lost about 10 or 12 each first ride they suck i have said it many times before i have other replies to other people saying the same thing the only thing they are good for is fishing they make excelent sinkers :cussing: :cussing: :cussing:

I don't know about there old studs, I have put in 10,000 ZXP studes and had know problems! I even abuse them!! I ride on dirt and rocks and some snow!!(trail) I even grass race with them!!(to race in stock class) I always run long 1.38 with nylon backers on .91 track!! That is why I don't know why so many people have problems!! This sled has 1000 hard miles!!!

I've ran saber studs for the past 4 years and i have had no problem with them. I have never had one bend on me so i don't know where you people are coming up with that. I don't see myself switching to any other brand of stud in the near future. Keep making high quality products saber. :)

Gee, kind of strange that the people that like the sabers only have a few posts. :sarcasm:

I just took what was left of 144 out of my sled, and I'll never buy them again. I lost most of the tips last year. Just for something to do, I took a new Woody gold digger, and one of the newest sabers, and took a file to them. The Woodys are almost twice as hard to file.

I was thinking the same thing BellevilleMXZ.

Out of 72174 post on this site this is the only one people have a opinion on?

We have lots of brand loyal people but most like to talk about the sled before the stud.

Originally posted by Max Climb@Nov 15 2002, 09:19 AM
BellevilleMXZ didn't your parents teach you? If you what to bash someones product line because you work for Woody's don't you think you should not be so open about it??? I too have run the Saber products for years now and so have many others. Most of us have lives. We usually don't have time to waste cutting someone down. I have had nothing but fun. Fun saving money, fun riding and having excellent traction! I too have the XZP studs now. Ran them last year when there was little snow. Studs look great to start this season again. You go Saber! The XZP is another great stud!!
Work for Woody's???? Look where I live. They are junk, want me to post a pic of my sled tore apart in the garage with the big pile of trashed studs beside it?.

Looks like someone hit a nerve at sabre's HQ. I can tell you one thing if Ladyk needs studs for her gade this winter, Guess what kind she WONT be getting. I will be using stud boys just like I got her last year.
The file idea is a good one Belleville mxz. Are you sure that you are not working at woody's headquaters there in belleville, LMAO.

Companies must realize the power of the internet these days. No longer can they pull the wool over their customers eyes. It can make you or break you. The only thing worse than a crappy product is a crappy customer service DEPT. I realize that all companies can make mistakes, but it is how they deal with their mistakes that matters. M3C

Originally posted by permafrost@Nov 15 2002, 08:40 PM
The file idea is a good one Belleville mxz. Are you sure that you are not working at woody's headquaters there in belleville, LMAO.


I wish I DID work at Woodys!! I know what I paid for the studs and backers at the show in Toronto!! LOL

They don't sound too good to me if you go through 10,000 in 1000 miles! :)

I don't know about there old studs, I have put in 10,000 ZXP studes and had know problems! I even abuse them!! I ride on dirt and rocks and some snow!!(trail) I even grass race with them!!(to race in stock class) I always run long 1.38 with nylon backers on .91 track!! That is why I don't know why so many people have problems!! This sled has 1000 hard miles!!!

:cussing: I will also bash sabre!.I bought 192 for my o1/800 at the 00/01 toronto show.After around 500 miles these pieces of crap were all missing tips and were bent!.The snow conditions were great.I called the rep for sabre and he basically told me to go f!@#k myself.So much for customer care!.When i sold my 97/670 it had 5200 miles on 144 woodys and only 30 ever had to be replaced.When i bought my 02/800 i bought woodys again because i learned from that costly mistake from sabre. :cussing:

I find it rather weird that everyone in here is bashing saber products and then you all say how woody's is the best. Why is it that no one is talking about any other company? I've run Sabers studs for the past 4 years and have had few problems. When a problem did arise I called Saber and they asked me to send them proof and when I did I received new parts in 3 days!!! Some people with warrenties like too see proof and thats all they have ever asked for. :D

Looks like someone hit a nerve at sabre's HQ. I can tell you one thing if Ladyk needs studs for her gade this winter, Guess what kind she WONT be getting. I will be using stud boys just like I got her last year

We ran STUD BOY studs last year on ladyk's 02 mxz 700. Almost 5000kms not one bent or broken stud., And she pushes every corner. They only had normal wear. For myself I would never WRECK a track by putting studs in, but that is just my opinion.

For all you Sabre reps, you know who you are. If you would of actually stated who you are and took questions. I think you would of found a more positive response, than by pretending that you are some super satisfied sabre customer. We welcome sabre or any sled type buisness reps to our forums. You could of used this a chance to clear things up with some people, but instead you have alienated everyone even farther from your company.

I have used many studs, 1000's of studs:
Micro Belmont
X-calibar
Fast-trac
Woodys

I like them all and they performed & last the way I thought they should.

I have not used saber so I can't say if they are good or bad. I just think it's odd to see people post for the first time just for this topic. We have the same post on spark plugs, oil, Funny fuel, tracks, apparel... and not a peep out of you guys. Now thats WEIRD :sarcasm:

Originally posted by permafrost@Nov 16 2002, 07:46 AM



For all you Sabre reps, you know who you are. If you would of actually stated who you are and took questions. I think you would of found a more positive response, than by pretending that you are some super satisfied sabre customer. We welcome sabre or any sled type buisness reps to our forums. You could of used this a chance to clear things up with some people, but instead you have alienated everyone even farther from your company.
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I am not a sales rep! I have three sleds my self and ride with alot of people. I fix and (setup) sleds! I my self have had studboy and woodys studs in my sleds! (get new ones every two years) I and others have found out that saber studs have the best bang for the buck!!! The other companys can"t compete with saber prices! That is why so many people and my self run saber!! I know all the sleds that I have studed with saber studs (at least 100) I have only had less than 10 studs returned!

Oh please Mr. Saber! I could put low grade bolts in my track and they would last longer than any Saber stud!
You couldn&#39;t give me a truck load of your tin! Hek, if I did use them I would be spending 50% of my time replacing them everyday instead of riding! :hallo1:

Boy, somehow I missed this thread. It&#39;s always interesting how most of the people trying to sell something, whether it be like this or in the class-
ifieds, are new to the forum and only have a couple posts. These Sabre people are funny, and rediculously stupid. Perm, you hit the nail on the head...face the problems and deal w/them, and try to keep any customer-
base you might have left. But these guys are blatently stupid.

A co-worker tried to get Saber to replace the bent studs he had installed on his CK3 Mach 1. He took them to the Toronto show & the dealer he bought them off said no can do.

Remind me to never bring this subject up again this has got way to out of control. Sounds to me that a few peolple are going to need an heart check before they can talk about saber again some may even have had a stroke by now!!! I guess the best thing to come out of this is that it has given me an opportunity to check out a few other brands.

BGTRK19472, so in other words out of all this first hand advice you have learned nothing!? :cussing:

Heres my pile old saber scrap which I finished replacing today.

And another

So how many bent?

Didn&#39;t have many bent, problem was tips would break, then they would wear REAL quick after that. The old ones that were in it, were much better than the new ones. They were all the same, bought at the same dealer, just differnt times. I attached a pic of one, it only has 300 miles on it, It was only of the ones I replaced before the last trip of the year, to Temagami.You can see the nut is not even rusty( and this is after sitting all summer, I just finished taking these out today), yet its all bent, and the tip is gone. Some of the REAL rusty(original ones) ones, were in the best shape.

Another pic, shows the bent backers

And one more

One thing I will add, after seeing how easy these backers tweak, I will never use plastic again. This is NOTHING against saber, I feel they are ALL about the same. At the Toronto show, I was able to handle and "flex" all differnt makes of plastic ones(and I could make everyone of them flex, the Airlites seemed to be the best), yet the steel and alum. ones i couldn&#39;t. Sure they weigh a bit more, but i want this stuff to WORK, not flex. So this time I went with 168 woody in the center, with a combo of doubles and single alum.backers, instead of 144 inner and outer like last time.Are the Woodys better?? I have no idea, never used them before, but they had by FAR the least complaints, so I guess we&#39;ll see. If I have problems, I won&#39;t have a problem slamming them either.

Heres a pic of the new ones. Probably could have done a better pattern, but my hands were tied ,as it was already studded. Should work ok though.

My sabre junk did the same as the picture,they wore down to the height of the lug.I run plastic backers and did not have the same problem.After switching to plastic backers i never tore out another stud.Irun 1.125&#39;s with my 1 inch lug track.I hope the double digger plates work well for you.A friend of mine likes his. :devil:

The one problem you will run into with steel or aluminum is the stud will tear out instead of bending the backer!! What size sled?? 700

Yep, 700 MXZ

Hey BellevilleMXZ, looks like you are missing some track clips in your above pictrue!!!

Green snow that is a third window closed track, hence no clips on every third window. Some like it , but it seems most hate them.

Your right permafrost, I should have looked a little better!!

Nowonder you had trouble!! You are way under studded!! I would at least put 192 in. If you are going to go long (1.25 stud in .88 track) you have to put enough studs in!!

144 isn&#39;t understudded in a 120HP sled. And where did you get the idea I put in 1.25 studs? The Sabers were 1.00 and the new Woody are 1.075s. What it all comes down to is this, there are WAY WAY more unhappy Saber people online than any other brand,explain why that is if they are so good. I&#39;ve already stated above above about how the older ones were better than the newer ones, just as lots of others found out.

When is the last time you used saber studs? If it&#39;s been a few years then you have no basis...other than earsay...to be ripping anybody. The stuff they came out with this season is unbelievable. So if you want to prove any of saber&#39;s stuff is bad as of right now then you&#39;ll have to try them or talk to someone who has....I mean this years stuff. Other than that what have you got? Sure they had a lot of defective studs two to three years ago but what can they do about it? They&#39;ve cleaned up that problem and then some. So basically you have nothing the complain about until you try their new stuff. :withstupid:

Originally posted by flynn@Nov 18 2002, 11:43 AM
When is the last time you used saber studs? If it&#39;s been a few years then you have no basis...other than earsay...to be ripping anybody. The stuff they came out with this season is unbelievable. So if you want to prove any of saber&#39;s stuff is bad as of right now then you&#39;ll have to try them or talk to someone who has....I mean this years stuff. Other than that what have you got? Sure they had a lot of defective studs two to three years ago but what can they do about it? They&#39;ve cleaned up that problem and then some. So basically you have nothing the complain about until you try their new stuff. :withstupid:
Another Sabre employee?!? What they can do about it is compensate thier customers with problems when it&#39;s obvious they were putting out less than acceptable quality products. How can you say this years products are better??? We&#39;re not even into the season yet. You&#39;re not doing too good there at defending your company/employer. Every company&#39;s survival is based on thier prior performance, not what they MIGHT do in the future. One minute you guys are saying you didn&#39;t sell faulty products, but now you&#39;re saying Sabre has cleaned up thier act...what did they have to clean up if they had no problems??? Come on mods, shut these guys out of here. Well, at least it is funny watching them put thier feet in thier mouths!!! :hallo1:

Going nowhere once again.

PS, It was a ghost town around the sabre booth this weekend at the sled show.