Looks like Cat is ready to unveil a GSX-1000 powered 4-stroke. Hmmmm, who would want a 4-stroke in a sled.............. :D

Go check it out :0:

In the december issue of sno Goer they put the ZR900 and the RX1 head to head. The Zr 900 beat the Rx1 in every department incuding handling, power and top speed. three of the four test editors said that if they had to lay out thair own dollars they would buy the ZR9. Also in December issue of American snowmobiler the dyno tested an RX1 and it made 137 peak hp at some rank high rpm and produced less than 90 foot pounds of torque. The RX1 wieghed in at 607lbs that is 4.43 pounds per hp on the flip side the F7 is 3.28 lb per hp. Just food for thought..................Oh and did I mention that they said the RX1 is not going to handle very good on the trails...............This is what Sno Goer wrote.

Hey, I didn't want their opinion on the RX-1, I'm simply pointing out what Cat is doing :doh:

Carefuly Mighy, I don't want to have to edit again.... ???

I just thought I would report what sno goer had to say.............and if you dont like it dont read it.....

The industry will obviously release 4 stroke sleds cause a big part of sledding is touring and it does make a good, fuel efficient, powerfull touring sleds but it ain't a dichbanger or mountain sled. I'm more interested in Bombardier's SDI though, same gas millage as 4 stroke but as powerfull and light as today's 2 stroke. That's the way to go IMO

They all test it brand new .They havent even broke it in .R 1 bike owners said they wake up after 1000 miles, Some dyno guys said after 300miles the rx 1 can gain up to 7 hp . And for torque compared to the rest it doesnt drop it just stays constant, power to tap at any time . As for trail riding I heard It was very nimble for the weight , But poor mountain sled.Now would I buy one , yeah when they ban two strokes.Ive learned early not to buy the first one ,look at my 73' kitty cat ??? They said it would do 15 yeah right 11 tops :( and streering I still cant shake the nightmares of that gaint well head :nervous: ,At that speed I couldnt grab an edge to much ski lift :0:

I could definitely see this coming with cat, having the suzuki motors and all. I wonder what Polaris and Bombardier will do. Neither really have a proven crotch rocket type motor.

What my ride looks like !!! Sweet eh !!!

Nice ride boner........ ;)

I think it will take your z120 in 330ft :D Your just getin happy looking at it

Originally posted by sled-head@Nov 20 2002, 11:18 PM
The RX1 wieghed in at 607lbs that is 4.43 pounds per hp on the flip side the F7 is 3.28 hp per lb. Just food for thought..................
so if i understand this right 3 hp per pound at around 400 pounds thats about 1200 hp wow that must be a wicked ride

sorry i know what i am u don't have to tell me...
i just thought it was humorus and couldn't resist i am sure a few didn't catch it. :devil:

Good save ........I didnt even see that :D

no problem i am just glad u took it as humor like it was meant to be and not as a cutdown:)

Originally posted by Steimy@Nov 20 2002, 11:57 PM
I wonder what Bombardier will do. really have a proven crotch rocket type motor.

Doesn't Rotax make the motors for some of the European street bikes that we don't see here in North America?

Revrnd - Aprilla is the name you're looking for.


This post started on a very humourous note!!! :D
However, well , maybe I should just leave it at that!

Yamaha - Phhhhht! :blahblah:

Originally posted by sled-head@Nov 20 2002, 11:18 PM
In the december issue of sno Goer they put the ZR900 and the RX1 head to head. The Zr 900 beat the Rx1 in every department incuding handling, power and top speed. three of the four test editors said that if they had to lay out thair own dollars they would buy the ZR9. Also in December issue of American snowmobiler the dyno tested an RX1 and it made 137 peak hp at some rank high rpm and produced less than 90 foot pounds of torque. The RX1 wieghed in at 607lbs that is 4.43 pounds per hp on the flip side the F7 is 3.28 lb per hp. Just food for thought..................Oh and did I mention that they said the RX1 is not going to handle very good on the trails...............This is what Sno Goer wrote.
NA NA NA NA NAAAAAAA. :D

SDI is the way to go. However if bombardier was to make a 4 stroke sled. That triple 180hp Supercharged engine that they have in there seadoos would be the way to go.

Originally posted by Mighty RX-1@Nov 21 2002, 04:15 AM
Looks like Cat is ready to unveil a GSX-1000 powered 4-stroke. Hmmmm, who would want a 4-stroke in a sled.............. :D

Go check it out :0:
Gotta link? I'v been all over their website and can't find anything about it.

Originally posted by Wolfman@Nov 21 2002, 07:37 AM
Gotta link? I'v been all over their website and can't find anything about it.
I am pretty sure he was talking about the small article on the Firecat Gixer which is on the main page.

Actually Rotax makes the motor for the new BMW bike they came out with last year; If I remember correctly it is called the 650 with a couple letters attached like all BMW's. The bike is sold in the US though.
I am courious about what people are saying about the RX-1 for mountain use. I checked out one the other day and that sled seems awful heavy for use in the mountains; lets just say that if I saw someone stuck I would have a hard time deciding to go help pull them out.
I do understand where it would be a good flatland sled though; the mileage would really help out and the lack of noise and no smelly two cycle exhaust. Mountain riders are always sucking hind ###### when it comes to what the sled mfg's are going to make. You just have to look at where all the sleds are registered and you will know who the mfg's are going to try to please first and that is not the mountain bunch.
Later bunch..

Originally posted by phazerhater+Nov 21 2002, 08:02 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (phazerhater @ Nov 21 2002, 08:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Wolfman@Nov 21 2002, 07:37 AM
Gotta link? *I&#39;v been all over their website and can&#39;t find anything about it.
I am pretty sure he was talking about the small article on the Firecat Gixer which is on the main page.[/b][/quote]
That&#39;s what I was thinking wolfman...how can I go check it out w/no link? Trev, are you talking about our homepage? I didn&#39;t see it there either.

Here is the article taken from snow goer that phazerhater was talking about.

A Firecat GSX-R?
Posted 29-10-2002 08:22

As we speculated in the pages of Snow Goer Canada, Arctic Cat appears ready to unveil a new four-stroke performance sled powered by the engine from the acclaimed Suzuki GSX-R 1000 motorcycle. We may even see the Gixxer motor in a Firecat-style chassis.

Expect to see the new Cat sooner rather than later.

With the Yamaha RX-1 showing that a litre-size inline-four bike engine can work in a sled, the Cat GSX-R is a natural. The big Suzuki mill (see photo) is at least as light as the Yamaha engine, and with the Firecat chassis no doubt weighing significantly less than the RX-1 frame, the Cat four-stroke could address a main issue with the Yamaha: excessive weight. Also, if anyone can make a front-heavy sled corner flat, it&#39;s Cat.

To end confusion with our american friends

SnowGoer Canada

NOT Snowgoer USA(Snowsports in Canada)

2 diferent companies btw

Yes Rotax build engines for the Aprillia crotch rockets and GP models as well build with most BMW engines and ATK

Dont worry about Skidoo. If they order Rotax to build an engine to be competitive with yamaha and Arctic cat, whether its 2 or 4 stroke you better be buckled in.

I also dont think Bombardier would take a bike engine and put it in a sled. Thats not there style. They would build an entirely new engine with advantages right across the board.

But lets not get ahead of our selfs. Word has it that the SDI engines are killer. They idle silky smooth unlike carbed 2 strokes. They start and run like 4 stroke, and get about the same milage. You can also bet that DI technology is close behind. Wait till they explore with Ficht fuel injection. 2 stroke will be twice as fast and twice as light.

I bet that next year or possibly the year after almost all bombis sleds will have SDI.

Originally posted by Steimy@Nov 20 2002, 11:57 PM
I could definitely see this coming with cat, having the suzuki motors and all. I wonder what Polaris and Bombardier will do. Neither really have a proven crotch rocket type motor.
Maybe, maybe not:

In the Dec. issue of AMS Snow, they report that Bombardier has released a 4-Tec, 1494 cc marine engine for the PWC, that is supercharged, not turbocharged and puts out 185 hp. That engine might be an option for a sled, who knows?

Also, I heard or read somewhere that Ski-doo might turbocharge their V-twin 4-Tec snowmobile engine, I couldn&#39;t guess at the target hp.

And finally, Rotax makes the Aprilia Mille 1000 cc crotch rocket motor and it&#39;s putting out about 130 +/- hp. Apparently, it&#39;s a very good engine.

I still like the way Ski-doo is going with the 2-Tec motor. Less weight, less complex, more of snowmobile motor. . . .


As to Cat going with the Gixxer 1000 engine. Ouch, that&#39;s going to be a powerhouse, if they get it right.

If cat does make the 4 stoke. you can bet that yamahas 4 stroke will be all but forgotten. old chassis and all LMAO(machzzzz1)
I say this because i am sick of the bull about how in one magazine the truth is bull and in the next it is stone, depending on who started this thread and who owns what.

Magazines change there mind like the wind changes directions. thats why they sell.
some see an article about there sled and if its a good one then they buy it and its gospil.
if its negetive then the mags are a bunch of losers. hmmmmmm.

My gripe with the snowmobile magazines is that they can&#39;t seem to play it impartial like a good car or bike magazine does.

Sometimes the "reporting" reads more like a the material in a product brochure.

If Cat does build a new high perf. four stroke, I don&#39;t think it would be a gsx-r motor in a firecat chassis. They couldn&#39;t even fit the regular two stroke in that chassis.

Yes, they will build a whole new chassi for it. Ski-Doo will realease a top of the line 4 stroke sled when they want to, they are focused on there SDI engines right now. But whatever they come out with will be awesome. As always from DOO

As for the doo, isn&#39;t some of the technology in the bombardier ds650&#39;s motor from one of the bmw bikes. I thought i read this somewhere before. Said the motor was from a bmw motorcycle. Just a thought. :devil:

Originally posted by BC HYDRO@Nov 23 2002, 11:50 PM
My gripe with the snowmobile magazines is that they can&#39;t seem to play it impartial like a good car or bike magazine does.

Sometimes the "reporting" reads more like a the material in a product brochure.
They&#39;re no different. Motor Trend&#39;s "Car of the Year" is bought-and-paid-for. All publications rely on advertising for revenue.

sled neck i could be wrong, but i doubt that rotax (which is in the ds650 and all bomb recreational vec.) used bmw technology to build this quad. they have been building 2 strokes for years.