Let me say first off that I'm not starting this to get in a pi$$ing match with anyone this is just my thoughts and opinion.

I was wondering why everyone keeps comparing the RX-1 to all the 2-stroke muscle sleds and the F7...I think Yamaha built this sled to be the best 4 stroke on the market, and I think they delivered. From what I see alot of people keep bashing the sled about how the ZR900 is faster and the F7 is faster...hhmmm...funny, wheres Arctic cats 4 stroke sled in all this, Ski-doo??, Polaris??...thats right they all go about 45mph so comparing all the 4 stroke sleds just wouldn't make sense....I don't think Yamaha built this sled to compete with all the 2 stroke muscle...It was built to be the 4 stroke king of the trails..IMO...I think people should stop trying to think that their beating a 1000cc 2 stroke and look at the sled for what it is....maybe one day AC, ski-doo, and polaris will grow up into a BIG 4 stroke...maybe....pray for snow!

Your absolutly right and when 2 strokes are no longer being made yammy will be ahead of the game ( as much as i hate to say :D )

right now it seems there is nothing to compare the rx-1 to besides the 2 strokes. that will change.

Oh...I thought for sure the other sled company's made 4 strokes...?? ??? :sarcasm:

Cats a coming. Go to snow goer canada and take a look at the gsxr-1000 powered firecat. For cats customers sake, I hope they don't rush something like that to market just to compete with Yamaha. The RX-1 has been in development for several years, which is obvious looking at the chassis that's built around the engine. Not a bash on the gsxr motor, it's a fine engine, but to hastily stick it in a chassis designed for a 2-stroke could pose many problems.

IndyOneSki - I diasagree. When yamaha first came out with the RX-1 they were compairing it to the muscle sleds (Mach,ZR900,MXZ800). Saying its the fastest, and most powerful and so on. They made no secret who they were trying to steal market away from.

They made it clear that this was going to be the hottest ticket to speed this winter.

So if yamaha is going to play that game, then we should have a say in comparing it to the top sleds. Even though I dont understand how the same subject comes up 12 times a day and yet very little is known about the RX-1 to begin with.

Well, they may have the fastest 4 stroke, I'll give you that! But how's that snowcross sled coming?? I really don't remember Yamaha ruling the snowcross circuit! Just trying to refresh your memory, thats all!

just my .02


FZ700

SO THERE YOU HAVE IT....... AND I COULDNT OF SAID IT BETTER MYSELF SWRules No really its true I agree with machzzz1

i think the 4-stroke idea is great, but arent u guys gonna miss that 2-stroke aroma. i know i sure would...LOL

Originally posted by Machzzzz1@Nov 21 2002, 10:38 PM


They made it clear that this was going to be the hottest ticket to speed this winter.

So if yamaha is going to play that game, then we should have a say in comparing it to the top sleds. Even though I dont understand how the same subject comes up 12 times a day and yet very little is known about the RX-1 to begin with.
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That my friend is called advertising !

They could of advertised as best touring sled, seems to me that it could very well fit that category and the touring industry is alot bigger than the muscle sled, from what I've seen anyway.

Refresh my memory on racing?!?...when did i bring up that...there you go again driffting from the subject... For a min. there I thought You might go into a lecture about how fast the arctic cat 4stroke is..LOL!! :p :D :p

Machzzzzzzzzzzzz hit it right on.
No doubt its a nice sled but will it steal top dog honours away from contenders like the T-Cat, Mach-Z,XCR,ZR-9 and SRX, I doubt it.
Still a nice ride.
:D
Rick.

Machzzzz1 you and sled-head are really good at cutting and pasting, please go find anywhere where Yamaha compared the RX-1 to the big triples? Their ads compared them to the 800 twins. It was either snow goer, super trax or onther sled mag that said forget running with the 800 twins it may be faster than even the triples! A rag said that, not Yamaha!

I really find it funny how touchy RX-1ton fans are when it comes to others bashing the sled. You can't even compare the Yammy to what the others have done. Ski-doo, Cat, and Polaris designed sleds for a different market. Namely the people that like to hit the trails and tour. Yammy set there sites on more of the lake racer crowd. Most of the mag's admit that when you take the RX-1ton out of it's element, like nice tight and twisty trails, it handles more like a dump truck on marbles than a sled. It has it's purpose and it might be leading the way in high performance 4 stroke sled tech but certainly not in overall sled quality and trailability. If I want to ride a sled that rivals the RX-1ton I'll buy a big twin or a MACH Z. More power, lighter, funner on the trails, way better rear suspension, and costs less to buy and insure.

Arctic Cat will soon have a GSX 1100 four stoke. I think thats the model name.

I wouldn't be surprised if this new arctic cat with the GSXR motor outperforms the RX-1. I believe the motor is lighter and produces more horsepower but I could be wrong about that. The problem is like someone said before...you can't just throw a motor like that into a sled and call it a day. Also, I have always heard bad things about the Suzuki bike motors as far as reliability goes. They are fast and light but they aren't as bullet proof as the yammis and the hondas.

MightyRX-1

This is some cut and pasting of yamaha motors web site.

1. Pulse-racing power and torque that blows away the competition’s big bore twins

2. this incredible machine has been engineered with one goal in mind: to redefine the standard of ultimate snowmobile performance.

3. The RX-1. Get ready to make history.

4. the biggest thing to hit snowmobiling since, well...ever.

5. it weighs in like an SRX 700 would, if equipped with electric start.

6. the RX-1 is hands-down the most cutting-edge high-performance snowmobile the industry has ever seen.


LOL. Thats straite from the desks at yamaha. And they are challanging all of the other sleds, not the skidoo, ac, polaris 4 strokes. This year if I see a rx-1 its hunting season.

Mighty RX-1 is guess when get over 50 and need to bust through powder
and tear through the woods leaves the blood(don`t think it ever happen)
then the the RX-1 tank would full my needs.Bye the way its this the same
sled last spring that was going to be the fastest sled out thereaccording to the
dealers who snow checked all these sleds,now its a trail sled (groomed only)
winch should be standard.Going make for alot happen buyers who were "misslead"
on our wide open logging roads.just my .02 cents

Where does it mention Big Bore Triples? Looks like the hit the nail right on the head with everything there buddy.

Is the ZR900 a big bore triple. No. Only reason they didnt mention it is becasue the probably figure triples are on there way out.

But please dont tell me that you cant see the obvious that Yamaha thinks this is the fastest sled period. When you talk to there reps and sales guys at shows and dealers they waste no time telling you this as well.

I bet it will be. Everything I have read from the boys way north tend to say that. The only places I have read that it's a pooch is in 500 ft.

The point is this, a year ago after seeing what Doo, Cat and Polaris had as far as 4-strokes go, would you have believed a year later that any manufacturer would have a 4-stroke that could even think of running with the big boys? H*ll no you wouldn't!


4. the biggest thing to hit snowmobiling since, well...ever. Yes it is.

6. the RX-1 is hands-down the most cutting-edge high-performance snowmobile the industry has ever seen. Yes it is.

I actually agree with all of there points.

If a rx1 can blast threw the some of the junk that I just did with my rev 800 and keep up then I will be impressed. Cause if it can't then other than being pretty good on gas and enviromently friendly, what good is it? The rx1's running around here arn't the king of the lakes and arn't the king of 660ft either. And as far as being the best 4 stroke, the other brands are only taking it into the tour class. And yamaha isn't marketing this sled for that now is it. Im sure this sled will improve alot over it's life, but for right now the one's up here are underachieving to what there add's are claiming!!!! :doh:

the rx1 will not blast through trail junk,the rear suspension is very stiff,but lets look at the machine for what it is,a high mileage touring sled,if you compare it to the other 4 strokes its way ahead in tech terms its lighter and more powerfull than the other 3,some of the yamaha guys are not helping with the boasting of how its a ultimate sled,ive put some riding time on one and its really not a bad sled for what its intended use was made for,i ride mostly off trail so the sled would not be a good match for my riding style..bottom line is it will be a great touring sled with good speed and power and fuel economy

It is very apparent some of these guys have not even got close to the RX-1 let alone ridden one. This to me would prove thier great knowledge of the RX-1 for speed and handling capabilitys. I would wonder how much time they spend reading their mags to find that one story that speaks for them and then repeat it over and over again until it is the only truth they know. I for one own one and it is a great sled and I think a step in the right direction. Just think about it how much more enjoyable the ride could be no more burning eyes or stinking smoke. :devil:

Originally posted by IndyOneSki@Nov 21 2002, 05:58 PM
...hhmmm...funny, wheres Arctic cats 4 stroke sled in all this, Ski-doo??, Polaris??...thats right they all go about 45mph so comparing all the 4 stroke sleds just wouldn't make sense....I don't think Yamaha built this sled to compete with all the 2 stroke muscle...It was built to be the 4 stroke king of the trails..IMO...
No pissing contest Indy, but these comments have very little validity. Cat's and Poo's 4-strokes are right where they were designed to be, touring sleds and rental use. Niether maker tried to mislead the public to thinking these were performance sleds. So w/this said, and in regards to your opinion about it being the 4-stroke king, Yammi sure didn't set it's goal too high, did it?

As for putting a 4-stroke in the F-series, has anyone looked under the hood of an F-cat? There's actually a lot of room in there. It's not like the 4-stroke issue is new, they've all been playing around w/it. Cat's been playing w/that GSXR motor for a while. I'm sure they built this chassis w/the idea of possibly putting a 4 in there. So whatever Cat and Poo decide to do on the 4-stroke performance issue, it won't be a knee-jerk reaction.

And if anyone says Yammi didn't market this sled to compete w/the performance sleds, twins or triples, they need to take thier blinders off.

Just for the record, I happen to like the RX-1, for a touring sled. I would not expect it to outperform anything on the trails, but it would prob be my no. 1 choice for a solo touring sled, and I haven't even ridden one.

Well at least mighty RX-1 got what I was trying to say.

I for one have never ridden one either..as I said earlier those were just my thoughts. I think alot of us base our thoughts and arguments on what we read in the mags...hey thats all we got all summer.

was wondering though has anyone here seen top speed on one of these yet? The mags claim 126MPH and if thats true MACHZZZZZ1 better steer clear of them on the lake...I don't need a mag to tell me that his Machz won't go that fast....
Everyone beats it up in 660ft but has anyone raced the RX-1 for the long run?

No not but there 18 RX-1 tankers in our area and win or lose
the 711 is ready as will the mach-z boys I run with.One of those guys
will be tested by more than us,as there are maked target.Can`t wait to
meet up with a bunch this winter. Cape Breton Stock...............

Lets think about what caper711cc just wrote, 18 RX-1's in his area! That's incredible, I can't think of any other brand that has more than a half dozen of the same model in my area. He also stated that all the big guns will be targeting the RX-1. I think that's great. Lets go back in time, would any of us have ever dreamt that we would be talking about a machZ gunning for a 4- stroke just a year ago? This is GREAT! Unless I'm stomped by 20 sled lengths, I'm gonna be a very happy man :D

PS, I don't think I will get beat that bad either ;)

PPS, It's gonna take more than alot of room under the hood of a F-cat to support that gixxer motor. I read on another forum where an F-Cat owner had to have some supports welded on the front end of his before he took it home from his dealer...............Hmmmm............

I've heard about a few people taking their F-crap back to the dealers for repairs...that should light some fires!! :D SWRules

Originally posted by Mighty RX-1@Nov 22 2002, 06:45 PM

PPS, It's gonna take more than alot of room under the hood of a F-cat to support that gixxer motor. I read on another forum where an F-Cat owner had to have some supports welded on the front end of his before he took it home from his dealer...............Hmmmm............
......Hmmmmmm........how many F-sleds have been sold???? I guess we can really put a lot of faith in what you read on another forum about "some guy." Even if, who the hell would have a dealer weld something on a brand new sled w/out even riding it?? Smart guy, eh? ........................................Hmmmmmmm.. ............................................

Wow look at all the bashing going on here. Why? I drive a zrt-800, it's a great sled, I have had not one problem with it so far. Most of the other snowmobiles are good machines too, some better than others, sure, depends what u like, ditch banger, lake racer, comforable trail rider, the
wife got my old sled, srx-700 another nice machine, loved it, other than the crank problem that they all had it was, :thumbsup: and is a reliable, fast snowmobile. Yamaha puts out a good sled, my son bought a new rx-1, i looked it over and so far seems well made, i personally don't like buying first year products but hey the thing is warrantied so let yamaha foot the bill for any screw-ups on there part re the crank problem of earlier srx's. Lets face it fella's we all think OUR brand sled is best. But easy on the bashing, makes for unnecessary bad blood for no reason. Little teasing goes with the sport, just lets keep it on the friendly side.

Well said ZRTJACK...well said :thumbsup:

I'm going to jump into this pissing match and state this Yamaha said the RX1 was and is going to replace the SRX 700 because they claim it is faster than the srx top end and all the way right out of the hole. So what is it targeted at? If Yamaha say it beats there own SRX it must be aimed at the big bore twin and Triple market. But also i watch Yamaha change there story about it to. To me right now they say it is a trail sled not a performance sled. That's what i heard. It's hunting season let the racing begin

the rx-1 is fat and its rear skid is out dated, the front skid is unproven other than that its a real nice sled, 4 stroke and all-

to me there is no doubt that Yamaha makes the best motors in the bnusiness, and their overall sled quality is second to none, but you pay for it in added weight, I know 1st hand -- I have an 02 ViperER. But all yammies are totally lacking in suspension Viper and RX-1 included.

"Yamaha Guys" only want the RX-1 compared to 4 strokes becasue that's the only place they are competetive right now -- currently it cannot compete with the 2's -- if the RX-1 was kicking-### on the F7 and ZR900, yammi guys would be crowing loudest of all (and rightly so!)

so I say ... If you can give it you gotta be able to take it!

Have a great time with your RX-1s -- Its gonna be a fun season!

AAJMO!

Yawn :sleeping:

This topic is old and will be around till next year unfortunately ???

If a 137-145hp is not high performance I do not know what is ;)

Let's not act like kids like we do on other sites :nervous:

In my opinion the RX-1 is a nice sled no matter the out come. yes it will get beat and yes it will win some to.
my point is who cares, we all win some we all lose some.
If you say you have never been beat then you really haven't been racing.

Originally posted by Mighty RX-1@Nov 22 2002, 05:46 PM
Where does it mention Big Bore Triples? *Looks like the hit the nail right on the head with everything there buddy.
Thats weak Mighty.................you should of just said you were sorry and agree that Yamaha lied to you


PPS, It's gonna take more than alot of room under the hood of a F-cat to support that gixxer motor. I read on another forum where an F-Cat owner had to have some supports welded on the front end of his before he took it home from his dealer...............Hmmmm............

Thats even weaker............who are you tring to kid? they sno crossed this unit and thats more of a beating than you could ever give a sled...........so I think your just lying.

First off sled-head, Yamaha didn't lie to me. The first time I saw the RX-1 I made up my mind to buy one. This was before I knew the price and even after the Yamaha rep there told me that he doubted a stock RX-1 would beat my slightly modded machZ. So if he was lying, does that mean it will beat my Mach?

I stopped off at this winter carnival called "tip-up town" on the way back from a week of killing myself on that fabulous ck-3 chassis. It was warm all week, my sled ran horrible because of jetting, gas milage sucked (8mpgs), smoked like a B*tch which made me sick to my stomach, fouled plugs about every 50 miles and rode like a freakin tank and and I wasted my 3rd stator in that sled in 2 years. I would say after all of this, the RX-1 was a breath of fresh air (litterally).

I too can cut and paste, here is a post from another site. Can you believe it? Probably as much as any magazine article. Have a look:


Comparing to the RX
gmrx on 11/22/2002 10:59:00 PM

Its kind of funny reading about everybody making up ther stories about how they are handing the RX a can of whoopass, In comparison this is Yamis 1st 4 stroke which was stated to run with the other 800s, and it does!!!, It also runs within a couple sled lenghts of the 900 , Just this afternoon it had to prove itself to the so called F7. Out of the hole its all F7 for about 300-400'' after that the RX came by so fast it surprised eveyone that was present, we ran them about 4 times and the same result every time. After we were done we shut them down and I had to listen to the guy with the Cat go with all of his excuses. When it came time to load them up we could''nt get the Cat to fire so I fired the RX up with a quick bump of the key then came back with my Yamaha tools to help him get the Cat fired. Now I don''t know guys but maybe I got the fast RX1 and the irony of it all is its not completely broke in, not studded yet nor have I had a chance to play with the clutching. The RX will not be the fastest sled on the snow and yes it will loose it share of races but as far as I''m concerned it''ll hold its own!!!!! p.s. I also ran my beloved SRX against the F7 and guess what----- you got it. Later

Here's the post refering to welding on the F-cat:


dura cat on 11/22/2002 7:10:00 PM

BAYSVILLE SNOW BLOW
Yes its true I had extra weld put on a spring brase to ease my own mind but not because it nesasarely needed it!
What I haven't had to do is to spend $12000 on my new sled take the chain case,track,drive axle,suspention........out to replace it with more functional parts at an extra cost $$$$in hopes to run with a little twin
that should have nothing to prove against the mighty??? Which I might add had you thinking twice about turning coat this year!!!!after your ride on it.
IS THAT RX1 TOGETHER YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOWWWWWWWDY GLEN
I finaly figured out how to work this thing! HEY BEV


If this was a bogus post, I don't think he would have ragged on the RX-1 also. For the record, he's refering to a different track baysville installed, a 1.25.

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!!!!! It always seems like the ones that do all the talking are the ones that feel like they have the most to prove. Whenever one of these threads get started, it tends to bring out the ignorance in some people. I know bragging is a part of the sport, but it amazes me how some people will go so far out of the way to bash a product when they don't have the experience to do so. One guy can state something he saw, and then someone else basically calls him a liar, just because they don't want to believe it. Buy a sled, and be happy w/it...as long as you're happy, who cares!! But if you have to continually put down someone else's product, you must be jealous or insecure about your own.

Also, if it was meant to be a touring sled, why would they make a mountain sled out of it?? And we all know mountain sleds NEED to have hp, and not much weight. RX1 isnt too much of that.

Mighty......there was obviously something wrong with the F7......cause no SRX7 is going to hang a licking on the F7.......I was beating srx's with my ZR800 and I know the 700 will run all day with the 8's.