First Trip Out With My Phazer...

[akrievins]

Hi everyone,

I just got back from my 4 day trip to the cottage. I had my Phazer out and I really love this machine! I've only ever ridden a Ski-doo citation before, so this sled seems very powerful to me. I got it up to 105 kms/hr, with throttle left. I was taking it easy.

I did however have a few issues with it. I was hoping some of you could help me out.

1. After the machine has been warmed up and driven a good distance it will stall on me after sitting at idle for about 15 seconds or so. It happened to me a few times when I had to get off the sled and turn it around on the trail. To start it up again I just push the throttle a bit and start it. Any ideas?

2. After riding my machine for a while and then coming to a stop, the clutch does not always disengage. I use the brake to come to a full stop and after relseasing it the sled slowly moves forward. Also, to get it going sometimes I have to rev it a bit until it "catches".

I'm new to sledding, so these may be normal things, but they don't seem like they are to me. I'm hoping there are some adjustments I could just make.

Thanks for any help,
Adam.

[shortstop20]

1. I would clean the carbs thoroughly and see if that makes a difference

2. Sounds like something in your clutch is worn out or not setup correctly to me.

I'm quite sure what parts in the clutch would cause this, but somebody else might know.

[Yamaha-ha-ha]

It sounds to me like you need to clean your clutch and carbs. Neither is too difficult. There's lots of good people here to help out. Look at previous posts and you will find all the how to's to clean what you need. I have a Phazer too, and I just read the posts about Phazers, I got more than enough info. Buy a clutch rebuild kit, did wonders for mine!

[Yamahammer]

Which clutch is sticking?. Because as u said, u use ur brakes to come to a stop, and by that u mean u lock up ur track and skid to a stop, ur secondary will not be ble to down shift because its not spinning when the track is stopped moving. So when u get back on the gas, and try to get going after being stopped for a bit, its like trying to get a car or bike going in 3rd gear or something, the gear is to hard to turn, and that is prolly what is causing ur problem with the secondary. If its the primary thats sticking, clean everything with tool cleaner or something strong, and then if u want, lube up the centre shaft of the primary(the part where at rest is covered by the weights and helix and all that). I had a similar problem with one of my sleds and doing that fixed it right up, just make sure to lube that part only, nothing else!!, the toehr parts of the clutch are meat to have no lube on them. As for the stalling part, it is almost guarenteed to be ur carbs, clean them out very well, every little part, especially the jets with carb cleaner or some other cleaner like tool cleaner, because theres no point of taking the carbs off and not cleaning everything while ur at it. Then re assemble and see how she works. This shud clear up ur problems, hope this helps!!!

[akrievins]

Looks like I'll have to clean out the carbs. I'm hoping I can do that myself. I dunno about the clutch... that seems a bit involved.
I'll try to explain it better. Even after starting it from cold, I sometimes have to really give it gas to get it to engage. After a good run when I want to stop the sled I'll let off the gas all the way, and then the sled will continue to crawl at a snails pace. I put on the brake and even hold it for a few seconds to fully stop, and when I let off the brake it continues to move at that slow pace.

Originally posted by Yamahammer@Feb 16 2005, 08:41 PM
Which clutch is sticking?.* Because as u said, u use ur brakes to come to a stop, and by that u mean u lock up ur track and skid to a stop, ur secondary will not be ble to down shift because its not spinning when the track is stopped moving.* So when u get back on the gas, and try to get going after being stopped for a bit, its like trying to get a car or bike going in 3rd gear or something, the gear is to hard to turn, and that is prolly what is causing ur problem with the secondary. If its the primary thats sticking, clean everything with tool cleaner or something strong, and then if u want, lube up the centre shaft of the primary(the part where at rest is covered by the weights and helix and all that).* I had a similar problem with one of my sleds and doing that fixed it right up, just make sure to lube that part only, nothing else!!, the toehr parts of the clutch are meat to have no lube on them.* As for the stalling part, it is almost guarenteed to be ur carbs, clean them out very well, every little part, especially the jets with carb cleaner or some other cleaner like tool cleaner, because theres no point of taking the carbs off and not cleaning everything while ur at it.* Then re assemble and see how she works.* This shud clear up ur problems, hope this helps!!!

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[shortstop20]

If it's still moving when you have the brake applied you must need a new brake pad. Maybe a new disc too.

[iflyjets]

1. clean and rejet the carbs.
2.Sounds loke a clutch problem if you ask me. Check your Drive gear and clutch.
I had those probs on my inviter.

[jayyyyy75]

Did this sled sit for a long time? I think your primary clutch needs some work. I bet it isnt returning all the way. The clutch on my sled would do this when it got hot after riding for a while. Exactly the same symptoms you desribed. I lubed the primary and also had to replace the spring in my secondary to fix it. As mentioned above, you can try cleaning and lubing it. I know lubing isnt always reccomended but it worked for me for the time being. I dont own a Phazer but your clutch is probably similiar to my sled. It should not be too hard to take the outside cover of the clutch off. You may need to use something to keep it from spinning. Take the belt off first. There should be six 10mm bots to remove. Try to remove each bolt in increments, keeping them fairly equal because the clutch spring will be pushing out. You may also have to remove the large center bolt on your clutch. Once the cover and spring are off push the "spider" inward so it is like it is fully engaged. Then you can lube the shaft .....inside the "spider'" and outside (the part inside the spring). Check to make sure the spring isnt broken. Also would be a good idea to measure the spring to find out if it meets factory specs...it may be worn out. Best thing to do is rebuild, or have a dealer or someone that really knows what they are doing service the clutches. Even better you could buy a nice Comet primary clutch Im going to get one during the summer. Also like everyone else said cleaning the carbs is highly reccomended.

[performancex]

it may just be the sticky clutch that is stalling out the engine.
or, you may need a slight idle adjustment.

[whanker57]

When you lube the clutch, use Comet Clutch Spray Lubricant. It's a dry powder, probably graphite or something. DO NOT use grease, when your belt dust (from normal wear) gets on the grease, it makes a mess of things, and your clutch will not work correctly. You can get the spray at any snowmobile shop, its about 12 bucks a can, but they will last you a couple clutch rebuilds...