Snowmobile World banner

what do you like two or 4 stroke

  • four stroke

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • two stroke

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    0
1 - 20 of 58 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
361 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
a pal of mine is looking for a new sled and wonts to know whats better so why not make it a poll by the way sorry about the last one i did
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
903 Posts
It is a matter of opinion.

2 strokes are lighter (esp in the XP chassis).

4 strokes are more reliable.

Gas mileage is a draw. Modern 2 strokes are right there with 4 strokes.

Oil is another point. 2 strokes need injector oil to be ran all the time. 4 strokes do not need this, although oil changes are needed.

2 strokes are a lot more simple when something breaks. They have a lot less parts and are more compact.
 

·
Master Embalmer
Joined
·
1,232 Posts
I currently have a 2-stroke but would consider a 4-stroke. It seems that is the way of the future. I've heard some states are outlawing 2-strokes and once that gets going, it is bound to start happening in all states.

Richard
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,422 Posts
I currently have a 2-stroke but would consider a 4-stroke. It seems that is the way of the future. I've heard some states are outlawing 2-strokes and once that gets going, it is bound to start happening in all states.

Richard[/b]
How can some states outlaw two stroke engines? I can't even see this as being possible. Thats like outlawing old and classic cars.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,413 Posts
I would buy for the type of riding you do. I would own a 4 stroke if I primarily road groomed trails and own a 2 stroke if I was into mountain or real offtrail riding. I know that lots of Mtn guys prefer the 4s due to all the mods but stock for stock I would go 2 stroke. JMHO
 

·
Master Embalmer
Joined
·
1,232 Posts
How can some states outlaw two stroke engines? I can't even see this as being possible. Thats like outlawing old and classic cars.[/b]
There was a thread on this site talking about this. One person said it was happening in his state, fail to remember which one, where they were going to outlaw two-stroke motors on all types of recreational vehicles.

Richard
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,869 Posts
How can some states outlaw two stroke engines? I can't even see this as being possible. Thats like outlawing old and classic cars.[/b]

google Mass

I believe they have or are going to
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,422 Posts
google Mass

I believe they have or are going to[/b]
I couldn't find anything on outlawing 2 strokes but this. { I am fairly up on this subject by profession, and as of now, the EPA is not outlawing 2 strokes for consumers to use. They are implimenting rules for manufactures of 2 stroke products to reduce emissions on thier products. The direction that this has made most 2 stroke producers go is to 4 stroke for a quick fix. There are clean and efficient 2 stroke products out there such as direct fuel injection used by numerous manufacturers. There are direct fuel injected outboards capable of equal emissions as a 4 stroke, and use less fuel. I do not know of any implementation of emmisions rules to effect "model motors". I would assume it would effect weed eater motors as they have a larger usage in consumer products such as weed eaters. The EPA is not banning these items that are already out and in use, you just cannot manufacture and sell new ones that do not meet EPA emissions policies after the mandate.

The only exception to this is in California. They have a group called CARB (California Air Resources Board) who have successfully implemented a complete ban on non low emissions (conventional carb and EFI) 2 strokes for marine use. I am not sure on the particulars of this legislation, or if it is in effect yet.

Question for those of you in California: Does this legislation effect R/C boats?}
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,782 Posts
I still prefer my 2 smoke, mainly due to the weight factor.[/b]
And the fact that they can run upside down without any damage on those off trail excursions.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,869 Posts
i live in mass and no they are not outlawing 2 stroke snowmobiles but might outlaw leaf blowers and that type of two stroke[/b]
here is the story I read a few years ago and they did try to ban 2 strokes in all forms built after a certain date

Originally posted by AMA
TWO-STROKE DIRTBIKE AND ATV BAN PROPOSED IN MASSACHUSETTS

PICKERINGTON, OHIO -- The sale of new two-stroke off-highway motorcycles and all-terrain vehicles would be banned in Massachusetts under House Bill 1909, introduced by state Rep. J. James Marzilli Jr. (D-Arlington), the American Motorcyclist Association reports.

Under his proposal, it would be illegal for anyone to sell "a recreational vehicle containing a two-stroke engine, including, but not limited to, a snow craft, an all-terrain vehicle, a personal watercraft, or a motorboat."

"This is the most sweeping ban ever introduced in any state," said Royce Wood, AMA legislative affairs specialist in charge of off-highway issues.

If passed, the bill would outlaw new sales of the vast majority of motocross bikes in the state, although anyone who bought a two-stroke built before June 1, 2004, would be allowed to resell the vehicle.

The bill has been referred to the Joint Committee on Natural Resources and Agriculture. Letters from Massachusetts residents opposing the bill should be sent to the committee chairwoman, Sen. Pamela P. Resor (D-Middlesex), Joint Committee on Natural Resources and Agriculture, Room 473F, State House, Boston, MA 02133.

Or, Massachusetts
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,068 Posts
I prefer 4 strokes. Even if they weight a ton. Its great to ride an entire season without opening the hood. 2 strokes are light years from there...and a 2 strokes is a 2 strokes . You never know when they will blow up on you. Unlikely to happend on a 4 stroker. Some fails but its pretty rare...And also the smell, now that we rode 4 stroke, everytime a 2 strokes ride in front of us we find it horrible...for a short ride is ok but around here rides are count in hours...so headake can be horrible.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
496 Posts
I have a 2 and a 4 stroke . I once said " you will have to pry my 2 stroke from my cold dead hands ". I have since changed my mind. Its true my 2stroke weights 486lb and my 4 stroke is 553lbs . 2 is 117hp my 4 is 150hp with torque across the whole rpm range were my 2 stroke hits it power band later . I try to ride as many miles in a day as i can and the difference is astonishing. I cant feel the weight because the torque is so great if you have to jump doubles you tap the flipper and it does all the work . I have driven many sleds except the new ski-doo which sounds amazing but the one thing i hate is 2stroke oil . Your at the gas station , you filled up Amsoil at the trailer but now its time to fill up 200miles away from it . You learned on a few bumpy trips carring oil can be very messy even in the special holders under the hood. So you walk in the station and you need SDI oil or any good syn oil but all thats there is citgo 2 stroke oil for 6 bucks a quart !! Sweet :thumbsup: Now Im not hating on citgo oil and my sled will run on it because , well it has to thats all thats left! But I know my power valves are getting sticky and when i get back home I have some cleaning to do. The real ? is do you do alot of boondocking or trail riding . If you spend 50% off trail riding I would buy the lightest sled out there because digging out my 4 would suck 67lbs more then my 2
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
160 Posts
I think the power to weight ratio of a 2 stroke engine more than outweighs the negatives.

As for the smell of 2 stroke smoke. I think Glade should make an air freshner that scent.

Maybe put it in one of little trees and I could hang it from my rearview mirror.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
361 Posts
Discussion Starter #17
I think the power to weight ratio of a 2 stroke engine more than outweighs the negatives.

As for the smell of 2 stroke smoke. I think Glade should make an air freshner that scent.

Maybe put it in one of little trees and I could hang it from my rearview mirror.[/b]

i like that idea they should
 

Attachments

·
Registered
Joined
·
78 Posts
I would buy for the type of riding you do. I would own a 4 stroke if I primarily road groomed trails and own a 2 stroke if I was into mountain or real offtrail riding. I know that lots of Mtn guys prefer the 4s due to all the mods but stock for stock I would go 2 stroke. JMHO[/b]
We have a couple of older guys in our club that went to the 4-strokes. I was leading for a week long ride last winter and got real tired of them getting stuck every time we ventured off trail. I realize that the majority of riders stay on the trail. Why limit your riding options by buying a sled 100 lbs. too heavy? One guy has a 1000cc two stroke. Just as bad, big heavy tank. Also, go with the 136 inch track if you can find one. JMHO also.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
3,679 Posts
One of the groups I ride with regulaly is made up mostly of four-strokes. Apex's, Attacks, RX's and Warriors. They're nice sleds, no doubt (well, the Apex and Attack-I don't know how anyone can spend a day on an RX-1) but what I notice every time we get to a play area is that I spend all me time playing around, boondocking, jumping, drift-busting, whatever. All the 4-strokers stand around and watch. Then when we get to a gas station they get all proud of how little gas they burn compared to me.

If you think you might like to play off trail, go for a two stroke. If you ride groomed trails, a good four stroke can be a nice choice.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,560 Posts
<<<<If you think you might like to play off trail, go for a two stroke. If you ride groomed trails, a good four stroke can be a nice choice. >>>>

Ditto, and if there were something available that was lighter than a 2 stroke - it would be the better machine for off trail excursions/play. Heavy and off trail just don't mix well.
 
1 - 20 of 58 Posts
Top