i think ,personally arctic-cat has jumped the gun w/ the new zr 900. lets see where tomorrows sleds are going?
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Did a-cat jump the gun w/the zr900?
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In my opinion...
Since they already had the two tricks up their sleeve (ZR900, Sno-pro) What else can they do? AC's 4 stroke looks like crap compared to the new Yammi. Are they reading the "How to Pi$$ off their loyal customers" book? I'd think that it is somebody else's turn to play stupid for a while..... Let's just hope that whomever makes the decisions around AC gets his head on straight
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Since they already had the two tricks up their sleeve (ZR900, Sno-pro) What else can they do? AC's 4 stroke looks like crap compared to the new Yammi. Are they reading the "How to Pi$$ off their loyal customers" book? I'd think that it is somebody else's turn to play stupid for a while..... Let's just hope that whomever makes the decisions around AC gets his head on straight
well,
if theres going to be any other 900's made by the big 4 , then i believe what we see in the spring is going to be it. obviously the big 4 all have something going on behind closed doors for hp 4-strokes. i think we all will be seeing a couple more 4-stroke real soon from arctic-cat and polaris. we all know ski-doo has an r&d model v-twin rotax and yamahas newly release thumper.but as far as new 2-stroke beyond the next model year . im not buying it unless they are going to choose to play with emissions on the 2-strokes.but why make more 2-strokes, like paul yaurk said, 4-strokes are far more reliable and almost worry free.of course they are going to cost more. BRING ON THE 4- STROKES. in a couple years i might buy one. but for now ill let all you guys work the bugs out of them!
if theres going to be any other 900's made by the big 4 , then i believe what we see in the spring is going to be it. obviously the big 4 all have something going on behind closed doors for hp 4-strokes. i think we all will be seeing a couple more 4-stroke real soon from arctic-cat and polaris. we all know ski-doo has an r&d model v-twin rotax and yamahas newly release thumper.but as far as new 2-stroke beyond the next model year . im not buying it unless they are going to choose to play with emissions on the 2-strokes.but why make more 2-strokes, like paul yaurk said, 4-strokes are far more reliable and almost worry free.of course they are going to cost more. BRING ON THE 4- STROKES. in a couple years i might buy one. but for now ill let all you guys work the bugs out of them!
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maybe on the engine thay jumped the gun.
but I tend to think that next year you will be able to get a true 900
not the fake 866.
but you might have to change brands??
the moter aside I would be real interested in looking at the new moutain cat
35 lb lighter is a big improvement and I belive it will cause the other 3 manufactures
a lot of problems trying to match that kind of improvement.
when I look at the other three I see a lot of parts rivited and bolted on
I belive artic cat just jumped ahead of every one else.
I mean no mater how much power yamaha can get frome its 4 stroke
if articat is 60 lb lighter peopple will buy the cat...
ps it is posible to run cleaner emishions on a two stroke engine
than is obtainable on a four stroke.
but I tend to think that next year you will be able to get a true 900
not the fake 866.
but you might have to change brands??
the moter aside I would be real interested in looking at the new moutain cat
35 lb lighter is a big improvement and I belive it will cause the other 3 manufactures
a lot of problems trying to match that kind of improvement.
when I look at the other three I see a lot of parts rivited and bolted on
I belive artic cat just jumped ahead of every one else.
I mean no mater how much power yamaha can get frome its 4 stroke
if articat is 60 lb lighter peopple will buy the cat...
ps it is posible to run cleaner emishions on a two stroke engine
than is obtainable on a four stroke.
I gotta hand it to Yamaha, they are WAY ahead of the competition now.
The Arctic and Polaris 4-strokes are a joke.....who would buy a sled that goes 45 with a good tail wind behind you?
I'm going to wait untill 04 and buy the new Yamaha then.....I'll give it a year so they can work out all the bugs.
I'll bet any money that there will be some mods that will make that thing untouchable....with all that claimed low end power, they can probably throw some serious gearing and clutching to make it pull REAL hard.
I WAS against the 4-strokes, but the Yamaha sled has changed the way I think about them......I also like the no more smelling like exhaust after riding too! That will be a big plus with the wife!
Go to the Yamaha site and check out the video and watch that thing go.....pretty sweet.
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The Arctic and Polaris 4-strokes are a joke.....who would buy a sled that goes 45 with a good tail wind behind you?
I'm going to wait untill 04 and buy the new Yamaha then.....I'll give it a year so they can work out all the bugs.
I'll bet any money that there will be some mods that will make that thing untouchable....with all that claimed low end power, they can probably throw some serious gearing and clutching to make it pull REAL hard.
I WAS against the 4-strokes, but the Yamaha sled has changed the way I think about them......I also like the no more smelling like exhaust after riding too! That will be a big plus with the wife!
Go to the Yamaha site and check out the video and watch that thing go.....pretty sweet.
It is a BIG mistake comparing the Cat and Poo 4 strokes to Yamaha's. You're talking about two completely different markets! Cat and Poo's current models are nothing more than "green" machines. They'll be huge as a rental. Do you compare you're buddy's Indy Lite to your T-Cat? Get real. Sounds to me like Yamaha might have a winner - time will tell. You can bet that the other three have something in the works that will match it - Yamaha just beat 'em to the line. Personally, I'd like to have seen a 700 rather than a 900 (2-stroke).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 900 twin is a late release 2002? Wait until the release of the 2003's until we start speculating.
I know that I am glad I'm not a Yamaha person right now. That new sled is very nice....fgot good front end, sweet new engine that is really fast. But what else is Yamaha offerering?
Same rear suspension, even on the new one.
They dropped their best sled of the last 5 years.
Yamaha people who don't want the expensive R-1 or Viper model really have no options. I was hoping that Yamaha would have had a whole new line of sleds.
I know that I am glad I'm not a Yamaha person right now. That new sled is very nice....fgot good front end, sweet new engine that is really fast. But what else is Yamaha offerering?
Same rear suspension, even on the new one.
They dropped their best sled of the last 5 years.
Yamaha people who don't want the expensive R-1 or Viper model really have no options. I was hoping that Yamaha would have had a whole new line of sleds.
Actually it IS a big mistake for A/C and POO. They all know that they have to make the 06 or 08(whatever) emissions requirements and Yamaha built not only a 4 stroke emissions friendly sled, they built one that many people would love to own. Hardly anyone wants a sled that only goes 45.
So Yamaha built a sled to satisfy both sides of the coin. The other manufacturers should be right with Yammi and not building a bigger twin 2-stroke that only puts out 8 more horsepower. They could have revised the 800 porting and pipe specs and gotten 8 horsepower easily. It's hard to argue that point.
I'll bet that NONE of the other big 3 have anything close to the new Yamaha in performance/comparability for 03. Ski-doo is close....
I wasn't comparing the Yamaha to the POO/Arctic Cat because their is NO comparison. Line up all the current 4-stroke sleds and I'd bet more than 90% would only look at the Yamaha now. The Yamaha is the real 4-stroke snowmobile, not the others.....maybe the ski-doo would be alright, but the other 2 should hang up their models. If someone is going the 4-stroke route, the choice would be simple. If people have to accept 4-strokes, the Yamaha would be the first IMO acceptable 4-stroke sled because it still has all the benifits of a 2-stroke(besides changing the oil). The Ski-doo second and Poo and A/C are just plain not acceptable to me and virtualy anyone who enjoys snowmobileing and the power characteristics that a current 2-stroke sled has to offer. The technology is and has been available to all the manufacturers and Yamaha and Ski-doo are on the bandwagon.....so should Arctic/Poo, but they apparently dont care. They ALL saw this comeing and they should all have been on the bandwagon by now.
So Yamaha built a sled to satisfy both sides of the coin. The other manufacturers should be right with Yammi and not building a bigger twin 2-stroke that only puts out 8 more horsepower. They could have revised the 800 porting and pipe specs and gotten 8 horsepower easily. It's hard to argue that point.
I'll bet that NONE of the other big 3 have anything close to the new Yamaha in performance/comparability for 03. Ski-doo is close....
I wasn't comparing the Yamaha to the POO/Arctic Cat because their is NO comparison. Line up all the current 4-stroke sleds and I'd bet more than 90% would only look at the Yamaha now. The Yamaha is the real 4-stroke snowmobile, not the others.....maybe the ski-doo would be alright, but the other 2 should hang up their models. If someone is going the 4-stroke route, the choice would be simple. If people have to accept 4-strokes, the Yamaha would be the first IMO acceptable 4-stroke sled because it still has all the benifits of a 2-stroke(besides changing the oil). The Ski-doo second and Poo and A/C are just plain not acceptable to me and virtualy anyone who enjoys snowmobileing and the power characteristics that a current 2-stroke sled has to offer. The technology is and has been available to all the manufacturers and Yamaha and Ski-doo are on the bandwagon.....so should Arctic/Poo, but they apparently dont care. They ALL saw this comeing and they should all have been on the bandwagon by now.
Not everyone buys a high performance sled. I congratulate Yamaha on the RX1. But I don't think you should put down Cat or Poo's 4 stroke. They pull 60mph. That's not earth shattering speeds, but it's plenty for a huge part of the market! They will release larger 4 strokes in the future, & they will also have their small 4 strokes. It'll make a nice lineup. Look at all the trail sleds out there. You need to have a nice mix, & can't release a whole new 4 stroke lineup all at once. Give it time.
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Would anybody care to tell me the price differences between the RX-1 and the AC 4 stroke? To say the least, I'd bet it would be quite a lot, and if they aren't, AC is charging TOO much for their 4 stroke. Another point, I know this sport is moving toward 4 strokes, at first, I didn't like the idea, but, now, after the RX-1, I like the way the market is going
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Yammi proved that you can create a muscle 4 stroke sled, (for $9100 American)...... I now want the 4 strokes for less. Taking into consideration, I will still buy 2 stroke! Mainly because 2 strokes (at the moment) are lighter than the 4 strokes.
To get me in the 4 stroke market, MAKE THE SLEDS FOR LESS MONEY!
Yammi proved that you can create a muscle 4 stroke sled, (for $9100 American)...... I now want the 4 strokes for less. Taking into consideration, I will still buy 2 stroke! Mainly because 2 strokes (at the moment) are lighter than the 4 strokes.
To get me in the 4 stroke market, MAKE THE SLEDS FOR LESS MONEY!
Boy, a lot of opinions already!!! Think people are appraising or knocking the new sleds waaaayyyyy too early. Obviously, the new Yami looks like an awesome sled, figuratively and physically, but it's not even on the snow yet. We don't know, this could be a blunder...what if the durability is poor (although I doubt it). Granted, if CAT doesn't have anything up it's sleeves, I will switch, if the Yami lives up to the claims.
But come on, I'll bet you Cat and the others do have a competitor already in training. There's no way the other three would let Yami get too far ahead, since 4-stroke has been the buzz for the last 4 yrs.
As far as putting down Cat's and Poo's 4-strokes, people "will" buy those sleds, not everyone wants the hi-perfs....if nothing else, Cat did take the wind out of the people's sails that want to close the national parks. Get some #'s on how many rental companies bought Cat 4-strokes out west, and you (hpzrt600) should pat Cat and Poo on the backs.
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But come on, I'll bet you Cat and the others do have a competitor already in training. There's no way the other three would let Yami get too far ahead, since 4-stroke has been the buzz for the last 4 yrs.
As far as putting down Cat's and Poo's 4-strokes, people "will" buy those sleds, not everyone wants the hi-perfs....if nothing else, Cat did take the wind out of the people's sails that want to close the national parks. Get some #'s on how many rental companies bought Cat 4-strokes out west, and you (hpzrt600) should pat Cat and Poo on the backs.
I am not totally against 4 strokes since Yamaha and Ski-Doo have proven they can be fast, but I personally would like to see what the manufacturers could do with cleaning up their 2-strokes. Bombardier has the FICHT injection technology. I doubt they bought out that company just to make boat motors. And I'm sure the other three can make a fuel injection system that is as clean as FICHT. 2-strokes just go hand in hand with snowmobiling. I would hate to see them go.
Enough of the 45 mph on the 4 stroke Cat; those sleds should go at least as fast as a 370....60-65. I totally agree with the comment that the green sleds will not dissappear and will be big for the touring, and enviro conscious crowd. Contrary to popular belief, not all people desire blistering performance in a sled. Each of the new 4 strokes have their place and purpose. Not everyone can afford 9K for the new Yammie sled. I salute all the brands for each of their attempts to smack down those damn enviro Nazis with the green sleds. Do you have any idea how much money, time and talent it takes to pull this stuff off. It's a huge investment for them. The future is looking really good for cleaner sleds. I hope they do try to make the 2 strokes cleaner. Maybe catelytic convertors or such should be used.
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luv my SRX and hated(looks) the RX-1 at first. I was thinking "what the F**k!! ditch the awesome SRX!
but.... the more pics i see of the RX, the more i like it. I like the idea of a performance 4 stroke. and some of the looks, but they should have another inch or 2 up front & definately must put a real rear suspension like m-10, polaris, or cat. then i'll be sold after a year out & any bugs fixed.
but.... the more pics i see of the RX, the more i like it. I like the idea of a performance 4 stroke. and some of the looks, but they should have another inch or 2 up front & definately must put a real rear suspension like m-10, polaris, or cat. then i'll be sold after a year out & any bugs fixed.
ZRT800-60 mph? Tyr 45-50. The arctic cat sled was radared at 45-50 mph.
JIM FRITCH-Pat Arctic Cat and Poo on the back? For What? The arctic cat sled has a car engine bolted into their chassis-there is no technology there. Check out a geo metro or a suzuki swift and you'll find the same engine in their engine compartments.
The only reason for the dealers out west buying 4-strokes is becaust they have no idea what laws will be passed or if 2-strokes will be banned. That is the #1 reason they bought them.
All the dealers around me only ordered a few 4 strokes because they dont want them sitting around. The majority of the public does not want anything to do with a 4-stroke sled. HAD Arctic come out with a similar model to the Yamaha things would be different and people would be alot more receptive to a 4-stroke machine.
Hey, if you guys love the Arctic or the Poo 4-stroke machines by all means ORDER UP!!! Have fun on those slow overpriced machines that can only hit 45-50. If a person only wants to go that fast, then buy a z370 for 3000+ dollars less.
JIM FRITCH-Pat Arctic Cat and Poo on the back? For What? The arctic cat sled has a car engine bolted into their chassis-there is no technology there. Check out a geo metro or a suzuki swift and you'll find the same engine in their engine compartments.
The only reason for the dealers out west buying 4-strokes is becaust they have no idea what laws will be passed or if 2-strokes will be banned. That is the #1 reason they bought them.
All the dealers around me only ordered a few 4 strokes because they dont want them sitting around. The majority of the public does not want anything to do with a 4-stroke sled. HAD Arctic come out with a similar model to the Yamaha things would be different and people would be alot more receptive to a 4-stroke machine.
Hey, if you guys love the Arctic or the Poo 4-stroke machines by all means ORDER UP!!! Have fun on those slow overpriced machines that can only hit 45-50. If a person only wants to go that fast, then buy a z370 for 3000+ dollars less.
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Hey guys this is the ARCTIC CAT forum lets keep it cat, I have moved the Yamaha RX-1 topic to the yamaha forum so you can continue to there. Lets keep this an arctic cat forum, making a reference to a different manufacturer is fine but to make an entire topic thats abit much.
Thanks, I knew you guys would understand.
Thanks, I knew you guys would understand.
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