in perry ny on the 14th of october and the 11th of november. i dont really know what these folks are thinking as they JUST posted the dates on there website. they`ve been known to have some good races with a fair amount of sleds and a nice atmosphere..... they dont promote very well though and unfourtunatly alot of folks dont show up for some of their events cause they dont find out. well, i did my part. spread the word.