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I heard that Polaris was going under in the sled business. Not sure if this is rumor or fact. Wouldnt surprise me with the short winters we have anymore. Anyone know more about this??
 

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Check that stats. They are still #2, just under Bombardier by very little sales difference. Polaris is going under just as much as Bombardier is, if you want to look at it that way.
 

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I was reading from google and they are down 22 percent profits from last year. Cat is the same way. Maybe they all will go under. Dont want to see it happen. We had poor snowfalls for a decade now, something sometime has to give. I dont wanna see it happen but it sounds like it might be right around the corner.
 

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As long as they keep building new types of machines and the great big less practical ones, I doubt that they are too bad off. The economy will have to dive before they really feel a hit and stop building those big ones. There will always be a market for the fans and similar sized liquids. We'll see any company scale back to them with perhaps a 600 cc top end before they drop the ball altogether.
 

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Crap, that was two years ago. Sorry 'bout that. Don't know this years stats. Anyway, some weather watchers have predicted that in ten years time there won't be enough snow in the winters for snowmobiling... hope they're wrong, lol.
 

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remember that changing the melting point of snow topic.....? lets start a fund raiser to help research so we can make it! then we can all laugh at the weather men and tell them we got there snow for them w00t
 

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Global warming IS real.. that is no longer up for debate.. How much of it is caused by man IS still up for debate... I remember tons of snow growing up in Vermont in the 60's and 70's... Sadly there is a trend, and the trend is for less and less snow... :(
 

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no more snowmobiling!!!! dear God!!!! that cant happen ill just die...what will we do??? ahhhhh!!!!!...really if there was no more sleddin id hate mother nature forever!!!...lol.......no but i see what yall are sayin and if you just wait the earth goes through cycles i think if we give it a little time it will pull back around....maybe in my lifetime...dont know...but well see im prayin!!!
 

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about the global warming, man cant do anything about it and it really is not as bad as the TV otherwise known as children's nanny. 2 degrees in 100 years is nothing. hey it could all change just like that. in the 70's it was global cooling and the next iceage is coming. dont believe everything you here on the TV, it is very misleading

on the polaris thing, no they are not. polaris is really trying this next year to cut skidoo in the mountain business. they are also looking to get out very aggressive fast sleds to cut some of that market to. This last year 07 sled are leading to the new 08 full line IQ chassis with lots of power and packages people will like. polaris is coming out with some insane new engines, my fav 800 small block with 155HP, a new 1000cc 2 stroke and a super power 4 stroke wit more power then the yamaha. as for the paackages, new dragon 600,700,800 for sure i dont know about the 1000. the new RMK for 08 is even better then 07 and the small block 800 is going to give the 800R skidoo motor a run for its money. polaris isnt going anywhere guys.
 

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about the global warming, man cant do anything about it and it really is not as bad as the TV otherwise known as children's nanny. 2 degrees in 100 years is nothing. hey it could all change just like that. in the 70's it was global cooling and the next iceage is coming. dont believe everything you here on the TV, it is very misleading

on the polaris thing, no they are not. polaris is really trying this next year to cut skidoo in the mountain business. they are also looking to get out very aggressive fast sleds to cut some of that market to. This last year 07 sled are leading to the new 08 full line IQ chassis with lots of power and packages people will like. polaris is coming out with some insane new engines, my fav 800 small block with 155HP, a new 1000cc 2 stroke and a super power 4 stroke wit more power then the yamaha. as for the paackages, new dragon 600,700,800 for sure i dont know about the 1000. the new RMK for 08 is even better then 07 and the small block 800 is going to give the 800R skidoo motor a run for its money. polaris isnt going anywhere guys.[/b]
hope youre right time, but i also heard that polaris is not going to be focusing on the snowmobiling industry as much in the future. they are going to spend more resources in other aspects of polaris industries.
 

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hope youre right time, but i also heard that polaris is not going to be focusing on the snowmobiling industry as much in the future. they are going to spend more resources in other aspects of polaris industries.[/b]
this is semi true. you have to go to were the money is. atv's is really were the money is but you see that with all the company's. bombardier is moving more money to atv's to. so is AC. they just make more money there. with less snow these that few years that is just how it is. polaris i know though is keeping a strong snowmobile program going. hopefully next year will be a great snow year and business for everyone will go up. by the wya if anyone is wondering how i know so much about polaris, i knowthe VP and im going to mostly likely go through their advanced placement program and end up working for them. i little insider stuff in that last post. well it is more known now then it was 3 months ago
 

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I lived in niagara falls area all my life before working in the GTA area, and the snow was always hit and miss. Everyone says less snow fall over all these years and warm temps , but I know when I was a kid it was no different. As well, in the 03/04 and 04/05 years we had tons of snow, and it was f***ing cold. I remember commenting with my dad that we had made a trip out for 6 to 7 straight weekends (in the niagra falls area!!). That is un heard of down there, then the next year the same thing happened, cold and lots of snow. Now these last two years have been lack luster, and the environmental wienies blow the situation out of hand. We had a warm january, worldwide it was like 1 degree warmer, mainly because of canda and siberia areas. Well late january we got hit with all that cold, and so did out west (in canada). And I know I read a report that said february was like 4 degrees colder than the norm ( http://www.thestar.com/article/188324 ), where's all Gore to talk about that now!? A few major earth events(like volcanos), and a few cold years could change things around dramatically. the earth has been around for millions of years, and we have records for like 75 years, how can you make so much outta this knowing only a fraction of a percentage of the earth's history?!

As for struggling snowmobile business, well I blame tougher regulations , expensive insurance, and expensive trail passes for this. Depsite you guys telling me $230 for a o.f.s.c trail pass is CHEAP CHEAP!!. its not. back in the 90's where the sled industry was booming, trail passes were in the $80-$100 range(this is ontario, where the business was/is huge in itself). You can see how these regulations impact in a quicker fashion, in N.S and P.E.I they brought some tough regulations in for 4 wheelers and atvs, and sales dropped dramaticlally, as high as 30%.

I hope polaris dosnt get outta the business, as more competition brings us better products, but lets face it, its a tough business and its falling off big time.
 

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A week or even two months of cold weather doesn't mean squat in the big picture. You can't go saying global warming is just a myth because it's cold for awhile where you live.. Again, global warming IS real , well documented and universally accepted as fact by the scientific community. People who continue to think it's a propped up myth invented by the tree huggers are simply not informed on the subject. Sorry but that's the truth.. I WISH I could just cover my ears and say "not so! not so!" any time someone brings it up. What we can do about it as a civilization and how much of it we cause directly is the debate now.. No disrespect to anyone here I hope.These are not MY views. It's just the way it is :(
 

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A week or even two months of cold weather doesn't mean squat in the big picture. You can't go saying global warming is just a myth because it's cold for awhile where you live.. Again, global warming IS real , well documented and universally accepted as fact by the scientific community. People who continue to think it's a propped up myth invented by the tree huggers are simply not informed on the subject. Sorry but that's the truth.. I WISH I could just cover my ears and say "not so! not so!" any time someone brings it up. What we can do about it as a civilization and how much of it we cause directly is the debate now.. No disrespect to anyone here I hope.These are not MY views. It's just the way it is :([/b]
tic how about is fun fact for you, 98% of sciencitst world wide do not believe in man mad global warming. this is from a study of 100,000 scientist, i think that gives you a pretty good idea. if is the same as anything, one or two really vocal people can make something the biggest deal. Most if the global warming hipe is media driven and not really science. if you watch the gore video you can even see this. none of it fact it all just what a few people think. can we go from them talking around global cooling and an ice age coming in the 70's to global warming and we are all going to die from it being to hot today scientifically, i dont think so. On the other hand look at it this way, if gore and his other science followers were really that consernded about global warming, would they exspecially ore fly around on there private jet creative all these green house gasses, and one of those green house gasses is what you breath out of our mouth every few second. carbine dioxide is going to kill us all they say. well if its the biproduct of breathing then isnt it a good thing. o and isnt it what helps make trees grow. everyone just open your eyes and ears and really read through the lies and the propoganda. and if you believe the polar ice caps are melting and the ocean is suddenly going to be warm does believe that either. the souther ice cap grew by 3% last year. i dont know the norhtern percent but it grew to. They are trying to make this a crisis to get more of your money. according to the UN it would take 546 trillion dollars to get you so called carb emissions in the world back to how they were in just 1990. well if the us GDP is only 13 trillion this last year how many year would it take?
 

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FACT...The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projects that global temperatures will rise an additional 3 to10 degrees Fahrenheit (1.6 to 5.5 degrees Celsius) by century's end.

FACT...ACIA (multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment) projects that at least half of the Arctic's summer sea ice will melt by century's end, and that the Arctic region is likely to warm 7 to 13 degrees Fahrenheit (4 to 7 degrees Celsius) during the same time.

FACT... Montana's Glacier National Park was created in 1910 it held some 150 glaciers. Now fewer than 30, greatly shrunken glaciers, remain. Tropical glaciers are in even more trouble. The legendary snows of Tanzania's Mount Kilimanjaro 19,340-foot (5,895-meter) peak have melted by some 80 percent since 1912 and will be gone by 2020.......................
FACT... Since the 1860s, increased industrialization and shrinking forests have helped raise the atmosphere's CO2 level by almost 100 parts per million—and Northern Hemisphere temperatures have followed suit. Increases in temperatures and greenhouse gasses have been even sharper since the 1950s.
FACT....The global sea level has risen by between 10 and 25 cms over the last century, as glaciers melt and warming sea water expands. .....................................................................This is not Al Gore or media hype. Sorry, I wish it was .. If burying your head in the sand and pretending these facts don't exist or thinking it's all a plot to get your money or entirely based on a political agenda makes you happy, go for it.... I am unable to find your study of 100,000 scientists that says 98% do not believe in global warming.. Please state your source...For the third time, global warming is accepted as fact, not theory at present time. How much influence MAN has on it is still up for debate.
 

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FACT...The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) projects that global temperatures will rise an additional 3 to10 degrees Fahrenheit (1.6 to 5.5 degrees Celsius) by century's end.

FACT...ACIA (multinational Arctic Climate Impact Assessment) projects that at least half of the Arctic's summer sea ice will melt by century's end, and that the Arctic region is likely to warm 7 to 13 degrees Fahrenheit (4 to 7 degrees Celsius) during the same time.

FACT... Montana's Glacier National Park was created in 1910 it held some 150 glaciers. Now fewer than 30, greatly shrunken glaciers, remain. Tropical glaciers are in even more trouble. The legendary snows of Tanzania's Mount Kilimanjaro 19,340-foot (5,895-meter) peak have melted by some 80 percent since 1912 and will be gone by 2020.......................
FACT... Since the 1860s, increased industrialization and shrinking forests have helped raise the atmosphere's CO2 level by almost 100 parts per million—and Northern Hemisphere temperatures have followed suit. Increases in temperatures and greenhouse gasses have been even sharper since the 1950s.
FACT....The global sea level has risen by between 10 and 25 cms over the last century, as glaciers melt and warming sea water expands. .....................................................................This is not Al Gore or media hype. Sorry, I wish it was .. If burying your head in the sand and pretending these facts don't exist or thinking it's all a plot to get your money or entirely based on a political agenda makes you happy, go for it.... I am unable to find your study of 100,000 scientists that says 98% do not believe in global warming.. Please state your source...For the third time, global warming is accepted as fact, not theory at present time. How much influence MAN has on it is still up for debate.[/b]
ill try and find that source but a few of those things you say up there are fact but have no science. very little of this provens anything. just go back to this, 35 years ago the same groups (there is an article in Time mag from 74 and then 06 with almost identicall word just warming and cool ing changed) said that we are going into the next ice age. as someone said before 100 year of record means nothing in how old the earth is. if you look through more like 6000 years of mankind to 100 years of record, what do those 100 years mean in the picture. not much. this is also fact ill find the soure on this. humans only create 3% of your grenn house gasses. the united states only 8% of that 3%. the other 97% is nature. animals, volcanos, storms, etc. if one volcano can create more green house gasses then 1000years of current car emissions what do you think we can do. yes the earth may be warming right now, only a few degrees but maybe in 20 years it will be cooling 3 degrees. are you willing to give all you money up to a hopeless casue. scietific consensise (gores video with a few scientists) does not give adaquite consideration to golbal warming. im sorry tic if you want to believe we are all going to die and in 100 years this world is going to be up in smoke but 6000 years of humans and we all of a sudden destroy the world in 100 year, not happening
 

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Hey man, I'm not saying we're all going to die.. I'm just saying that there might not be enough snow for sledding. That would be a real bummer, I think we can agree on that! peace
 

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Hate to #### people off but..................... Fact- the sun is a star, another fact-it's going to burn out some year, fact- when that happens we're goin to get really farging cold! I don't know about you but I'm going to ride the hell out of what ever sled I have to California, Texas or where ever the "lady's" are and then I'm going to be handing out lovin like gas at an all mens roast beef dinner!!!! Then when I can't take enough I will stand up as tall as I can and say "screw you guy's..........I'm goin home"
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