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So I was driving (not riding) on the weekend and passed a number of trail crossings that were completely mud. No snow at all.

The next thing I see is a rider comming on down the trail - on the mud. Now I love sledding as much as the next guy (or girl) but it got me thinking. Are we hurting our chances at getting that trail in the future, if we ride till the sun sets on spring?

Possibly someone from the OFSC might be able to answer this one.
 

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On my trip this past weekend, a part of the trail uses a logging road that is still in use. On the way there, it was icey. On the way back, it was mud. But we had to get home. So we hugged the shoulder to get as much snow as possible. Don't know if this situation compares with what you saw or not?

Either way, what question are you asking? If we ride our snowmobile without snow, will we lose the trail we were riding on? What about the GD quads that ride the trails when there IS snow and tear the tracks to smitherines and ruin it for us snowmobilers who paid to have it what it is??? Will it eventually lead to the banning of quads on all trailways systems maintained by the snowmobile clubs? I seriously doubt it.

I'm just confused... I'm wondering what exactly are you asking?
 

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I think he is asking if the land owners will get po'd enough not to grant access anymore cause of sleds mucking up the trails. As a land owner I would get a little upset just because the trail that crosses our property crosses one of our hay fields and pastures and snowmachines running in the mud accross them would cause a little damage but it the trail were in the bush then I would have to say I would let it pass as sleds don't rut up the ground like say quads.
Besides they are doing more damage to their sleds than they are to the land.
 

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Will it eventually lead to the banning of quads on all trailways systems maintained by the snowmobile clubs?[/b]
Trails in sister lakes michigan have banned the use of quads on them.
 

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I think he is asking if the land owners will get po'd enough not to grant access anymore cause of sleds mucking up the trails. As a land owner I would get a little upset just because the trail that crosses our property crosses one of our hay fields and pastures and snowmachines running in the mud accross them would cause a little damage but it the trail were in the bush then I would have to say I would let it pass as sleds don't rut up the ground like say quads.
Besides they are doing more damage to their sleds than they are to the land.[/b]
Ah... I didn't think he was talking private property... around here all the trails are on crown land, the government owns 'em all. Now it makes more sense.
 

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Trails in sister lakes michigan have banned the use of quads on them.[/b]
Cool. When will we have the same bans here, I wonder? Perhaps never since they're selling more and more of those track thingies for them for snow use... :s
 

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Trails in sister lakes michigan have banned the use of quads on them.[/b]
What really sucks is it looks like we lost the 15 mile connector to Niles from the sister lakes area due to a couple idiots that felt it was their right to ride over a bunch of cherry trees in that area.

On governmental land, I don't think it is as big of a deal as private land.
The trail crosses 20 acres of my land in the Paw Paw area, if I saw someone crossing my property riding through mud and dirt, I would definitely consider closing access to my land even more so than I am right now.
It only takes a few idiots to ruin it for everyone, and lets face it, there are A LOT of idiots in this sport.
 

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our town paved some of our trail so they could make it multi-use and kiss some voters butts.they even have special gates that they put up to keep out the quads and sleds when there is not enough snow on the asphalt.
 

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All the trails in Vermont are on private property. They banned the use of quads a long long time ago. However, you still see people "mud bogging" on sleds every now and then. I guess when you go on vacation and there isn't much snow left you gotta go, especially if its a rental. :wink: You won't catch me out there on my sled though!
 

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Sorry for the delay, I couldn't get onto the site for some reason yesterday..

What I meant was, I saw some people running on the dirt in fields and through pastures. Now, if I were a farmer - with planted crops - I'd for sure be irked if there were people running through the mudded up trails. I've been caught in the "break up" weather where it's great when you leave - but mud when you come back.

But when its been 10 degrees C for a week - you think some of us would use our noggins for something other than a helmet stand.
 

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I went out last weekend and there were a few bare spots right on the trail. But the odd part was I had actually caught upto some police that were also on the trail (3 of them, one with a trailer) and followed them for about 20 miles. They didn't seem to care about the few bare spots. This was through the bush mainly.....
 
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