[Turbo cat]

Hi Guys, I just picked up my new T660 Turbo today and it looks great. Can't wait to try it.

 

[Sled Dogg]

Congrats!!! I think you've got the next big thing for the tuners. I think you'll see ALOT of those T660 sleds sold next year. It seems to be the most talked about ca at the dealerships. many guys are looking to see how they last this year and then buy one next year. It's already as fast as the F6 so it can only get better. I'd install some ZR shocks and have a blast. With zr shocks it'll be a great touring motor and yet capable ditch banger and with fuel milage to boot!!

 

[Suicide Machine]

Is the Turbo 660 from cat really as fast as an F-6? How can this be? Last leason I test rode a Non turbo and i felt very heavy. The Turbo may add power and all but the Firecats hook up and fly like nothing I've seen in a long time. Had anyone out htere gotten a chance to ride the T660, if so what ya'll think of it?

 

[Sled Dogg]

Yes it is FAST!!!!!!!!! it was tested at like a tenth off the pace of the F6!!! it makes 21lbs of boost and 110hp but tons of low end torque. Some tuning and it'll smoke a F6!!! It's listed about 95lbs more than the F6 also. Some clutch and gearing and watch out.

 

[puree]

I didnt know what to think the first time I saw an rx1 last year,,,,he gunned it and you didnt hear much of any sound,,,,,
by the way,,,,what do you think the chances are of cat coming out with a bigger 4 stroke turbo next year???? just a thought

 

[Suicide Machine]

Originally posted by Sled Dogg@Nov 16 2003, 01:48 PM
Yes it is FAST!!!!!!!!! it was tested at like a tenth off the pace of the F6!!! it makes 21lbs of boost and 110hp but tons of low end torque. Some tuning and it'll smoke a F6!!! It's listed about 95lbs more than the F6 also. Some clutch and gearing and watch out.

NO FREAKING WAY, unreal. The non turbo I tested was a DOG, no go at all. My moms 89 Pantera could've taken it, hence my state of shock. So now the questiong is can Cats Turbo take an RX-1, is there any comparison, or will it take some serious mods to make it a race? I've seen F-7's lay waste to the RX-1 so if the Turbo can run around F-6 territory my bets are it might be interesting to see them line up against one another

 

[phat_cat800]

My stepdad just picked up his T660 Turbo Touring friday. We test drove on last year and it was different, in a good way I guess. Personally I dont think it will be as fast as the newer 600's but compared to the older 600's its even with them. THIS THING IS QUIET!!! It was sitting in the garage running and me and my brother were standing at the door and couldn't hear it running.

 

[Beerman]

A good friend of mine who is very into EFI and boost in the auto drag race scene is VERY interested in this sled and has already done some homework. He fell in love with it as soon as he looked under the hood and saw that it was a speed density setup and had an O2. It's actually a Suzuki auto application, apparently the engine is used quite a bit in Japan and 100,000 miles is supposed to be no problem, at least for the engine.

Its rated for 87 octane, so with 19-21 psi stock, the timing and fuel are ULTRA conservative. If what he's finding is true, there's 130 hp sitting there with just some minor tweaks, as I understand it the guys at Sled Solutions have already done that. That particular turbo is supposed to be capable of 28-30 psi, so there's plenty of potential, especially if you can get into the ECM.

It'll be interesting to watch.

 

[dawg]

this sled will probably brow in popularity in the years to come. specially next year when guys realize how sweet they are to ride on the trial. i personally think that overall it is the nicest sled i have ever drove. It has it all for the average trial rider and i think thats what AC was looking for. A very good write up in the new snow tech magazines gives it a good review. actually i dont think i have seen a bad review on the seld so far. its been all positive.

 

[Suicide Machine]

Hey Beerman, Hope you dont mind me stealing your Avatar, couldnt find any good ones so I bit off off of yours, but hey at least I admited it. Where all you guys get the good avatars anyway?
Anyway the Cat 660 looks like it will shape up to be a very nice Trail sled for the average rider, but it begs the question who the hell wants to average?? Personally I wanna ride a freaksled and lead the pack of all the 4 strokers 2 strokers sdi,rev,efi whatevers that come and go

 

[Beerman]

Originally posted by Suicide Machine@Nov 17 2003, 05:42 PM
Hey Beerman, Hope you dont mind me stealing your Avatar, couldnt find any good ones so I bit off off of yours, but hey at least I admited it. Where all you guys get the good avatars anyway?

I made it from a pic I took of my engine. No big deal.

 

[puree]

I agree with dawg,,,,these things are gonna start catching on,,,,,,there are a lot of things that we are going to be able to do to tune them up,,,, kinda reminds me of the imports stepping into the market,,,,,

 

[Beerman]

Just about every OEM automotive turbo I can think of goes to market with a lot of untapped potential. No one does turbos as well as the OEM and for reliability reasons they're always tuned conservatively. The T660 in black kinda reminds me of a Grand National. There's a good example of untapped potential.

Either way, we the consumers are the winners of the 2 stroke/4 stroke wars. I have no idea what will win out, but combos like the T660 and Ski Doo's SDI really excite me.

I had told myself I'd be buying a Sabercat in 2 years, but now I'm not certain. There's nothing like the sound of a turbo spooling up, that's a sweeter sound than any triple IMHO.

 

[hpzrt600]

660 turbo with less horsepower and alot more weight smoking a f-6??? Dream on. As far as jumping up the boost to 28-30 pounds, there goes the reliabilty of the engine. If you have ever talked to anyone with a turbo on their car, when you increase boost you burn head gaskets, crack blocks and heads, melt pistons, ect. Sure it will make more power, but at what cost? For drags, fine, for trail forget it.

Sled Dog, where are these tests where a production 660 ran right with a production f-6??? Please show me.

 

[rob7374]

I have to admit that the performance from this machine, if you can believe the mag's, is very impressive. Out on a lake I can see the top end very close to the F6 which is pretty amazing. I don't think it will hold a candle to the F6 is a straight 1000 ft race but still it's impressive. The only thing that worries me is the turbo itself. Turbo's can be very reliable if maintained properly. Turbo's need time to cool down after a long run before you shut the engine down. If you don't let it cool you could be screwed. I still don't like the weight as well. For so many years the manufactures have been strugling to make the sleds lighter and more nimbler. The Rev and F series Cat's are a product of this effort. For me to purchase one of these 4 stroke sleds it would almost feel like a step backwards. More bulk and weight. Still a nice machine and I'm sure there will be some very happy buyers this year.

 

[Beerman]

Originally posted by hpzrt600@Nov 18 2003, 09:42 AM
As far as jumping up the boost to 28-30 pounds, there goes the reliabilty of the engine. If you have ever talked to anyone with a turbo on their car, when you increase boost you burn head gaskets, crack blocks and heads, melt pistons, ect. Sure it will make more power, but at what cost? For drags, fine, for trail forget it.

Not if you truly know what you're doing. For every 1 tuner that knows what he's doing there are 50 who claim to but have no idea other than increasing timing and leaning out the A/F.

21 psi is already a lot, and to be running on 87 octane the OEM tune has to be VERY conservative.

As long as the engine is built to handle the boost (which supposedly this one is) 28 psi isn't a problem providing you use quality fuel and keep the timing and A/F within safe limits.

 

[NDMtnSledder]

Just wanted to say it looks like a great sled I'm sure you'll enjoy it. I would love to hear a report once you get to put some miles on it and see what you think of it. Also just curious but can you hear the turbo when you ride. I was hoping so cause i really like that sound. Have a great winter turbo cat.

 

[phat_cat800]

Yes you can here the turbo kick in around 4500 rpm. It does have a nice whine to it, since the engines so quiet it is no problem to hear.

 

[NDMtnSledder]

Thanks for the reply thats what I was hoping to hear.

 

[00ZR700]

Have to agree with you BEERMAN. As the owner of a high performance turbo car I can relate. Any fool can run up the boost and destroy a machine. It takes a smart man to play with timing,jets,intake, and exhaust to make the boost work for you. Gotta listen for that knock then go from there. If it's computer controled with a chip then that's even better. Lot's of potential. Hope to see one on the trail.