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What does everyone on this sight think bombardier should do to the mach.  

Sounds like it will be cancled out.  I dont understand why they dont redo it.  Make the chassie lighter and turn better.  Better suspention more power out of the 800.  Come on bombardier BRING IT!!!  

I went to the snowmobile show in toronto and at the bombardier booth I was looking at all the machines.  They had the MXZ in the spotlight,  The crappy 4 stroke ATV wannabe, 4 legends, ATVS,  Wheres the mach,  It was hidden at the back.  It wasn't raised on blocks to make it look cool (in your face) it was just sitting on the ground.  It wasnt even the tech plus version.

Yes i know its not the top seller but I think it is still skidoos Flagship sled and it is drifting and it should not be treated like that.  For years us skidooers in the faces of ARCTIC CAT, Polaris, and yamaha fans could say with the most confidence that we got the fastest stock sled on the market (DONT MESS) And they didn't because it was obvouse even to the biggest BSer.  When they looked in there mirror and saw a CK3 its like pull over let him pass.  But now its a dinosaure.  Hardly anyone has anything good to say about it except it should only be used to cross lakes.  No one mensions the superior tripple engine that starts better then arctics EFI and runs smoother then any twin on the market.  And now 3 out of 6 races with a polaris XCR you lose.  Its not even the superior power in the market anymore its EVEN.  

Sure we got the MXZ to show of in the jumps and corners but when you hit a lake or long stretch and a pol or Tcat or SRX blows by You what are they going to remember.  

I hope someone from bombardier listens to this or has the same idea as me to keep the mach the most dangerous sled on the market.  A protector for all SKIDOOERS braggin rights.  
A symbol of what a Snowmobile should do.  

Think about it.  Whats the number one question anyone asks you about a sled.  WHATS THE FASTEST.  And i used to say SKIDOO.  Now im not so sure and in a few year Maybe next year It might be gone.  

ThANKS FOR YOUR TIME..
 

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You might want to copy your post and send it on to Ski-doo, maybe that will get someone's attention.   I know a lot of tripple guys would love to see them come back strong.   Last year at the shootout the SRX700 hit them hard.   In the grass drags, at least the ones I went to the SRX 700 won the 800 stock class.  I would love to see a tripple in the ZX chassis, wouldn't you?  
 

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 I  think  they  should  the  motor  in  the  ZX  chassis  I  don`t  know  if  the  pipes  would  fit  under  the  hood  so  they  could  make  a  new  hood  for  it  to  work.  That  would  be  great  the  power  and  the  handling.  
 
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Ski-Doo should remember that the triple Doo ,  is what took Bombardier SLeds,  to where it is today.   It was The Ski-Doo Triples,   that  converted a substantial amount of racers and riders to riding Doo's.   When you went to the races,  you could pretty well bet that Doo,  was the one to beat.   When you read the race results,  It was Doo everywhere on the winners list.  (I should know,  I converted from a Polaris to Ski-Doo, because of the Doo Triple)    But that was back when they were really into building triples.   Now that,  for the majority,   the conversion has been made to twins,  It seems like the Triple racers and riders are being abandoned.   It's either twins,  or else.     Not me,  I have 4 Triples and No twins.   And if they stop building the Mach Z,  I will be buying parts and building my own.   Doo should realize, that some of us,  do not care for the MXZ Chassis. (Sorry Guys, Personal Preference).   I would hope that we are all getting our feathers ruffled for nothing,   and that Doo will not let us Triple Riders Down,  the ones who helped take the Doo to the top......   JMHO...

ZMachMan...
 

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;) Hey I'm with you Z man!! This is Andy, China Bob's brother in law. While I sold my 600 Doo triple in the spring, I am waiting patiently until I can Doo another rotax 3.  Ski-Doo has taken the triple thing to a certain level of performance and then sort of treated the 3's like they are not important. I can't understand the marketing theory. Well, maybe I can.  Twins are cheaper to build. Period. Streamlined production cuts costs. Tooling for triples is big bucks. I miss mine. I'll have another. It's reassuring to think that DDMusser and family will take good care of it. If not....I KNOW where he lives!!(JOKE).
 

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Even if they put the tripple into a ZX it doesnt matter.  My point is the mach should be leading the way not shuffled of into a ZX because they already have it.  Design somthing new and built for the tripple.  

HOW COULD THEY GO FROM 1998 to 2002 and change nothing except suspention.  There is no fine tuning,  No chassie adjustment.  It makes you wonder if bombardier just has it so they can say they have a tripple.

THey are trying to make everyone like the mxz.  I DONT.  I love the mach it offers me stuff the twin cant.  

If there brothers are the new york city subway and the learjet why is it so difficult to run two diffrent types of engines.  

THis whole issue makes me wonder how bombardier will handle the 4 stroke.  Are they just going to abandon the 2 stroke
 

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If the ZX chassis is superior to the CK-3, why wouldn't you want to see a big triple in it?  The story I got from my dealer who was at Ski-doo over the summer said that he was able to lay his eyes on a Mach III.  It was the 800 triple with triple hooters in a variation of the ZX chassis, all black and mean looking. He was led to believe that it may be a late season introduction.:0
 

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I didnt mean dont put it in the ZX.  I was aiming at make a new home for it that is only MACH'S home.  

Questions is the ZX really that great for the mach. I dont want them to through it in and leave it for an other 4 years.  We have to let them no that the mach is not a sled that can be ignored.    Make a ZX3 chassie made only for the tripples.  Make it turn and handle like the MXZ.  But put hydralic shocks on the front so when you hit the lakes ride hight could be lowered for more aerodynamics and control.  Same for the rear.  Make is really areo dynamic.  Put electronic exhaust valves on it.  A detonation senser, a fuel grade selector, Maybe put an option for fuel injection.  Make the 800tripple crank out 180hp and top out 15mph faster then the srx and beat it to the 1/4 5 sled lengths ahead.  It can be done because if bombardier wants it, they got it.  

Make it somthing people would want.  My dealer told me last year he sold more skandics then machs.  I helped out the machs by buying an other one last month a yellow one.  

I have a feeling they got somthing in the works but i just hope its not an other "OK HERE YOU GO, NOW LEAVE US ALONE."  I want it to be every year they squeeze just a little more power out of it.  I want to see it on the cover of magazine with titles like " WE WOULD TAKE A PICTURE BUT WE COULDNT CAPTURE IT"  I want it back.
 

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I wish some of you guys would learn that triple only has one P.
More to the point, I agree with everything being said. I don't understand Doo's reasoning behind letting the muscle of the fleet wither. We've all heard rumors of triple ZX sleds and
building another platform entirely. The triples that Doo had
and are capable of producing in the future could perhaps keep us in front where we always used to ride. I guess for now us
triple lovers will just have to make them last.
 

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NOW WERE TALKING.  Did he have a clue when we could see it.:0
 

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I have two Mach Z's, I use one as a backup sled the other I'am building for trail use..."Port Logic" porting, "Fast" front suspension with 10" of travel, M-10 rear suspension set-up for a 47 yearold who can't take the hard bumps on the trail anymore after 175 miles of riding for a day...and when I take it out for it's first ride I'll let you know how it is....if you can't buy one from Ski_Doo....than build it yourself....Al...Think Snow!!!!!
 

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Ill take a single piped 800 triple in the zx chassis! Great torque, fuel mileage, smoooooth, and light weight. Currently Im  looking for a smashed or totaled machz or formula 111 800 for a transplant in my zx 700 chassis. If they wont build it I will!!!
 

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this might cheer you up! I actualy am taking courses at college in mecanical engineering, and when i'm done, bombardier is where i'm going. You guys are right, the triples have gone down. Less power, torq, speed. we are loosing our pride. AS soon as I get a job at bombardier, I will try to make a difference, and keep making suggestion on how to improve the sleds, maybe I will be able to make your dreams come true. I was thinking on putting a new and improved super triple in a mx-zx x 440 lc chassis. You have a 430 pound chassis + a 180 hp mach triple engine = :0 take a look at this site: http://www.dneperf.com/ then click on shootout and article two.
 

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One thing you guys need to keep in mind is that the media is a powerful place. If the new york times said the world is going to end at noon tomorrow everyone would be in a panic.
In my opinion this what has happened to the triple market.

You know it"s like we gotta have SAE threads, metric threads, and in between SAE & metric! Many people got rich by changing a simple bolt thread and I believe the same goes for the twin market!

I have owned my share of twins but NONE compare to a triple, NONE! I will own a triple as long as I can get my hands on the parts if thats what it takes!
We are all blowing hot air at the manufactures because they have one thing in mind and that is to make money and lots of it, no matter if it"s making a one cyl. or a ten cyl. it"s all in what the media/manufacture wants you to believe...
 

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My only hope is that bombardier will see how the yamaha viper sells like crazy and builts a all around performance machine with the 800 tripple.  Because that is the problem.  

This is why i think there killing it of.  

First they got rid of the 800 triple in the touring se.  Now its only left in the mach.  That mean the whole engine building process, Labour, Machinery is only used to make a engine for a machine that is one of the slowest selling on the market.  All the twins will get cheaper because there used in almost every sled.  

The key is to make a really neat chassie that can run a triple.  But offer more then just the 800.  Offer a 600 tripple.  About 70% of riders dont even look at the mach because its to powerful for them.  The machz need to be like the thundercat only offer the 800.  But they should bring back the formula 111 with smaller tripples.  But the key is in the chasie.  It needs to turn sharper and harder, Weigh less or hide the pounds,  Able to control if your a light rider. And offer the best of the best features of any sled.  

You need to stand out that is why i dont think the ZX chasie would be a good home for the tripple.  When you see a ZX you think twin. When you see a CK3 you think triple.  The only problem is that the CK3 is about 4year older in technology.  

Jeepster I hope that when you make bombardier you keep this in mind and make the most radical, aggressive looking, fastest,  Lightweight tripple on the market.  That people look at and go thats the sled i want,  But they cant get it because its selling so good and its on backorder for 2 months.  THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT..

The first experience i had with a triple was in a used sled dealer.  He was showing me some of the used sleds and was starting them up for me.  The twins needed about 3 pulls and a lot of car on the throttle.  THen he came to a formula111 700. He fliped the choke and with out a hand on the throttle he pulled it and about half way it started and idled with no stutter.  

How could any company abandon this.
 

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The bottom line is that they will sell what makes them money.  I talked personally to a Ski-doo rep about this exact subject. She admitted that the profit margin on the twins is much higher and the engines are considerably less expensive to build.  Think about it, one less of everything.  MachZ's still sell relatively well according to her, especially in the North east. She also did say that there was no plans to discontinue the MightyMach.  At that point, I asked her about the sled my dealer talked about and all she would do is smile and asked me what I thought of a nmes like "Mach3"
 

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I think the problem is that for the past 4 years the mach was number 1 and no one tryed to touch it.  Sure there was the thundercat but it wasnt a threat.  Now all of sudden polaris rips out the XCR and all cat has to do is add exhaust valves and a little bit of twiking and the mach is no longer the king.  Not to mension the SRX who can now beat the mach in the 1/4 but not in a lake race or top speed.  

And sure its cheaper to build twins and it always has been.  But you cant go 120mph buy being cheap.  Thats why we have been laying down the money (enough money to buy a small car).  ANd when i press the throttle and feel my fingers start to bleed i think damm this was a good buy.  I hope the rep you were talking to knows what shes talking about because we need a refreshing wake up.  I would keep the name mach z because with the right mods you really dont know how manytimes faster then sound you will go.  

I JUST HOPE that this new mach 3 isnt a 950 twin.  If it were yamaha would look pretty good.  
 
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