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1000 MILES ON THE 2008 SKI-DOO REV XP 800R --------(3/16/2007)

Exclusive By: Motorhead Mark Lester

Supertrax is privileged to have a limited build XP 800R here and we’ve racked more than 1000 miles (1600 kms) in just over 10 days on the unit.

When we first laid eyes on the XP in Grand Lake in late January we had concerns. There was so much new and the weight claims were so radical we wondered if the sled would be as good as the current REV. We were particularly concerned about the extreme light weight upsetting handling - creating a one-ski cornering attitude.

We shouldn’t have been concerned at all - the whiz kids in Valcourt didn’t just chop weight - they lowered the over-all CG of the sled by one full inch. That’s a lot in today’s world of already low CG snowmobiles. You can feel the inherent stability in the XP the first time to line up a trail and pull the trigger.

The XP corners flat - throttle on or off. In fact, the sled loves to be pitched into turns dragging the brake and “backing-in”. Even with the throttle chopped - waiting for the turn’s apex to get back on it - the sled tail slides even and flat. When the apex is cleared the XP hooks up like a cat on a screen door.

Here’s an interesting twist. We fiddled with the coupling moment by spinning the blocks one klick narrower to allow less (rear-to-front) coupling. Wowa! The sled wheelies with amazing precision but with the couplers loosened up - just that tiny bit - we could pull - this is not an exaggeration - 100 MPH (160 kmh) wheelies down Kevlar Lake. True. The front end would come up and just stay there. Talk about a rush!

Obviously this isn’t the best way to maintain control on trails so after impressing the troops we dialed the couplers back to the fat side.

The limited build XP’s - there are only a handful on the ground - are all over damped and over sprung in the rear end (that was why we dialed in less coupling). We’ve been assured by everyone involved in the XP project the production units will not be this stiff.

There’s also a measure of high frequency vibes in the bars -they’re aluminum - and that too is being dealt with. The reports of side panels flying open at high speed are true but again, the panels have already been redesigned for full production. None of these issues will be present by the time the assembly line rolls-out the full build. We’ll verify all these details in Supertrax.

Okay, get this. The 800R absolutely tows the Series III 800 Power Tek down the lake. In fact, the 800R pulls the 1000 Cat, the Apex 1000 and just about anything else we’ve come up against save a Mach 1 SDI.

The power here is abundant but when it’s pushed into a chassis that’s this light in overall weight and light in its drive-line componentry, the power that’s available gets to the snow in abundance.

The sled feels so small when you’re seated yet it rips with such authority. The only thing we can equate it to is a new Phazer with a 150 plus HP mill. Except the XP is lighter than the Phazer. Go figure.

The XP in over 1000 miles has carded the highest fuel economy numbers of any sled in our fleet this year including the former champ, the 600 SDI REV, and all the 4 strokes we’ve tested. Even before the five hour ECU calibrated “protection period” for break-in had expired the sled was sipping fuel.

This season has not produced snow surfaces conducive to great MPG numbers but despite this the XP easily gets 20-30% better mileage than the current Power Tek 800 and gets about 5% better economy than the thrifty 600 SDI Rotax. In fairness we haven’t compared the XP to the 1000cc triple cylinder Yamaha Vector.

Comfort issues are hard to quantify on the XP as a result of the near useless windshield on our limited build. We’ve had intense cold here at the Cave since we received the sled and it’s brutal to ride at the speeds the XP is capable of with this windscreen. By the way, we’ve regularly carded 112-115 MPH with the sled.

The new ergos are a great fit for just about everyone. Some have expressed concern over the drop-off at the front of the seat. Yep, you can’t help but wonder if the boys might get hung out. Doesn’t happen. Pretty much everyone appreciates the comfortable and, more importantly, flexible ergonomics the new XP platform presents.

We don’t know of anyone else who has logged this kind of mileage on the REV XP - outside of BRP employees. At this writing - and we’ve got way more to say in Supertrax this fall - we think this is the better REV the market has been either waiting for or fearing.
 

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Why no pics on the site

All they have is the "Factory promo Photos"

This is the Lester they do own Cameras :D so it is puzzling they have no actual photos of them on the sled

An OK write up

Still hard to believe the MPG is better then the SDI
 

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I want one. lol. too bad i can't afford it.
 

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They didn't mention how it handles in deep snow, they were too afraid to mention how it compares with the IQ or any Polaris for that matter... and the only sleds they compared it to (other than their currently outdated ones) are 4-strokes... who's performance is well bellow their rated hp. Something sounds like they're having a hard time getting this new sled to live up to the possibilities of the "BRP fans" expectations.

In other words... they were late coming up with a replacement chassis in due time... and they may fall behind. Nobody will get to enjoy the '08 until next winter, and unless they get the problems fixed... they have their equivalent of the 900 Fusion... er... even though I still love that sled. :D But we all know what happened to the Fusion... they're gone :( However, the new IQ is the same sled as the Fusion with a different look and a few mods... so technically the Fusion lives on with a different name and it's problems in the past.

Did the Bombardier get better speeds? Or control? I know the REV chassis had horrible handling (just read the article above, apparently according the Bombardier test riders, it had the tendency to corner on one ski) but because of this maybe people were afraid to go WOT? I've never seen a fast Bombardier... but I've never been in the right conditions to see one anyway (never been involved with racing).

They're trying to sell it, and that's all. They never praised ONE thing in particular that they loved, they simply spoke about issues people brought up to try and sell the sled. Even Polaris gets comments like "best front suspension". Hey, it's better than no comments at all... or "wonder if the boys might get hung out" LOL.
 

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They didn't mention how it handles in deep snow, they were too afraid to mention how it compares with the IQ or any Polaris for that matter... and the only sleds they compared it to (other than their currently outdated ones) are 4-strokes... who's performance is well bellow their rated hp. Something sounds like they're having a hard time getting this new sled to live up to the possibilities of the "bombarider fans" expectations.

In other words... they were late coming up with a replacement chassis in due time... and they may fall behind. Nobody will get to enjoy the '08 until next winter, and unless they get the problems fixed... they have their equivalent of the 900 Fusion... er... even though I still love that sled. :D But we all know what happened to the Fusion... they're gone :( However, the new IQ is the same sled as the Fusion with a different look and a few mods... so technically the Fusion lives on with a different name and it's problems in the past.

Did the Bombardier get better speeds? Or control? I know the REV chassis had horrible handling (just read the article above, apparently according the Bombardier test riders, it had the tendency to corner on one ski) but because of this maybe people were afraid to go WOT? I've never seen a fast Bombardier... but I've never been in the right conditions to see one anyway (never been involved with racing).

They're trying to sell it, and that's all. They never praised ONE thing in particular that they loved, they simply spoke about issues people brought up to try and sell the sled. Even Polaris gets comments like "best front suspension". Hey, it's better than no comments at all... or "wonder if the boys might get hung out" LOL.[/b]
seems like you have a lot of brand animosity period
 

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They didn't mention how it handles in deep snow, they were too afraid to mention how it compares with the IQ or any Polaris for that matter...[/b]
It looks to me like they were trying not to bring brands into this, unlike you.

I've been reading the Lesters for a long time now and it just isn't like them to write articles about sleds in order to sell them. I rode with them in Ontario last year and they couldn't say enough good things about the Polaris 600, but they never referenced another manufacturers sled while talking about it.
 

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Did the Bombardier get better speeds? Or control? I know the REV chassis had horrible handling (just read the article above, apparently according the Bombardier test riders, it had the tendency to corner on one ski) but because of this maybe people were afraid to go WOT? I've never seen a fast Bombardier... but I've never been in the right conditions to see one anyway (never been involved with racing).[/b]
Did you actually read the article? The REV chassis that they were referring to as far as bad handling was the XP. They were afraid that the good handling of the current REV would be compromised as a result of the lighter weight of the new XP. They said it wasn't so.

Why would you say that you have never seen a fast Bombardier only to say that you were never in the right conditions to do so if not to just start trouble? We don't allow that here and I hope that you can understand and take it to heart. If you want to enter into some intelligent debate, then by all means let's do it, but let's not get into the mindless bashing banter.
 

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seems like you have a lot of brand animosity period[/b]
Envy can sometimes be misconstrued as Jealousy. and vise versa

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you ever say to youself who would ride one of the pieces of crap? when it is the owner of the sled with the bad attitude you don't like, it's not the sled at fault. :wink:
 

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Me&mymxz posted pics of the supertrax crew earlier this season on an XP at Kennesis, so yes they did have at least one to test.

To be honest these new sleds have my attention. I am not hot on the looks but I know that it will grow on me just like the REV's have. Having a sled that is this light with power like they describe will be killer off trail. I think an 09 summit x 800r 144 is in order for my next sled. I wanna wait a year as I am sure there will be some bugs with this many radical design changes. With the limited amount of time I have to ride, I want less chance of down time during our brutally short winters.

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I sat on the 800R MXZX REV XP @ Honda East in Maumee,Ohio . It fit Me a glove, I picked up the rear of the machine ,it was a as light as one of My Old Free Air RV'S. The running boards didn't seem weak to Me but I Doo only weight 165 .I want the 399 LB TNT XP :D
It will have to wait as SHD800 and I are picking up My 398 Lb Carbon Fiber Tunnel and Hood 2000 Blade 7x2 Tomorrow :thumbsup: Looks like 01 440 MXZx will be moving out of the collection in a year or 2. I will wait till the first # starts with a 4 as in $4999 or less . I will have buy a used one to get in this price range, but it will happen. The Engineers in Valcourt ROCK.
 

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Nice article :thumbsup: But it does not matter who writes what :unsure: Ski-Doo folks are going to buy Ski-Doo's, Cat guys will buy Cat's, Yami guys will buy Yami's and Polaris guys will buy Polaris :thumbsup: There are all pretty much the same things, we buy them out of brand loyalty or because we like the colors....I've been around them all for Homelite to Rupp to a Blade and they have all been good and they all still are !!! We all ride together....I don't care what any of you ride that is your choice and I respect that :thumbsup:
 

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I am with You Sledding Brother. :thumbsup: There are a lot of Sweet Machines out on them there trails We ride together. It sure is Fun being a little different than Everyone else too. :lookaround:.
 

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They didn't mention how it handles in deep snow, they were too afraid to mention how it compares with the IQ or any Polaris for that matter... and the only sleds they compared it to (other than their currently outdated ones) are 4-strokes... who's performance is well bellow their rated hp. Something sounds like they're having a hard time getting this new sled to live up to the possibilities of the "BRP fans" expectations.

In other words... they were late coming up with a replacement chassis in due time... and they may fall behind. Nobody will get to enjoy the '08 until next winter, and unless they get the problems fixed... they have their equivalent of the 900 Fusion... er... even though I still love that sled. :D But we all know what happened to the Fusion... they're gone :( However, the new IQ is the same sled as the Fusion with a different look and a few mods... so technically the Fusion lives on with a different name and it's problems in the past.

Did the Bombardier get better speeds? Or control? I know the REV chassis had horrible handling (just read the article above, apparently according the Bombardier test riders, it had the tendency to corner on one ski) but because of this maybe people were afraid to go WOT? I've never seen a fast Bombardier... but I've never been in the right conditions to see one anyway (never been involved with racing).

They're trying to sell it, and that's all. They never praised ONE thing in particular that they loved, they simply spoke about issues people brought up to try and sell the sled. Even Polaris gets comments like "best front suspension". Hey, it's better than no comments at all... or "wonder if the boys might get hung out" LOL.[/b]
Are you serious? Did you even read the article?
 

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Nice article :thumbsup: But it does not matter who writes what :unsure: Ski-Doo folks are going to buy Ski-Doo's, Cat guys will buy Cat's, Yami guys will buy Yami's and Polaris guys will buy Polaris :thumbsup: There are all pretty much the same things, we buy them out of brand loyalty or because we like the colors....I've been around them all for Homelite to Rupp to a Blade and they have all been good and they all still are !!! We all ride together....I don't care what any of you ride that is your choice and I respect that :thumbsup:[/b]
But not all people are brand loyal

I have had them all from Yam to Doo to Poo to Cat

they all make great sleds

that said my next sled will be a 4stroke unfortunately Doo does not make one anymore

mind you a nice 03-04 Legend V1000 would be on my list

My comment is why did they have "press release" photos and not real ones like they usually doo

I don't care what any of you ride that is your choice and I respect that :thumbsup:[/b]
Unless they break down and then you are fair game for ribbing and poking :p even if its the same sled as "I"
 

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that said my next sled will be a 4stroke unfortunately Doo does not make one anymore

mind you a nice 03-04 Legend V1000 would be on my list[/b]

They doo still make a four stroke legend. Its on the RF platform now. I think its a v-800.
 

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They doo still make a four stroke legend. Its on the RF platform now. I think its a v-800.[/b]
Don't get me started on that poor attempt

Going front a good looking ZX chassis 80hp 4stroke to a 65hp Bug is not my description of what a 4stroke sled is

Now stick a supercharged V1000 twin 130 hp 4stroke in the XP chassis and weighing about 480lbs would ba great sled IMO :cool:
 

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Did you actually read the article? The REV chassis that they were referring to as far as bad handling was the XP. They were afraid that the good handling of the current REV would be compromised as a result of the lighter weight of the new XP. They said it wasn't so.

Why would you say that you have never seen a fast Bombardier only to say that you were never in the right conditions to do so if not to just start trouble? We don't allow that here and I hope that you can understand and take it to heart. If you want to enter into some intelligent debate, then by all means let's do it, but let's not get into the mindless bashing banter.[/b]
Hey Durk,

Can I start some mindless bashing banter now .. please please ... can I can I ... huh huh !!!
 
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